Is 10.4 tiger going to be Free??? [Archive]

netytan

Jun 13, 2004, 05:56 AM

Mmmm, nope. I would highly dout theres much truth in this one. In fact a read a thread the other day on macrumors saying that Tiger will cost more than the other 3 releases because of this slow down. In any case if you spent months and months and months working on something like this would you give it away?

Apple is a company, and companties have wages to pay ;). People don't work for free i asure you.

Mark.

Zaty

Jun 13, 2004, 06:06 AM

First, I don't think it will be free because Jaguar and Panther weren't free either. Secondly, I can hardly believe Tiger should be considered as a "beta for 10.5". Of course 10.4 will be a step towards 10.5 but you can also consider Panther to be a step towards 10.4 (and 10.5). My guess is Tiger will be $129 (as were Jaguar and Panther). Although there was a rumour Tiger would be more than $129 but that's only a rumour.

Doraemon

Jun 13, 2004, 06:57 AM

Is 10.4 tiger going to be Free???

No. Period.

quagmire

Jun 13, 2004, 09:59 AM

JOD8FY

Jun 13, 2004, 09:59 AM

Nah, it won't be free, but it's nice to dream, isn't it? :)

JOD8FY

CubaTBird

Jun 13, 2004, 10:29 AM

I can see it now, "Tiger 10.4 released" hits the front page of macrumors. Then most of you guys will say "Nah, im waiting for 10.5" A year passes, nothing happens. Hehe.... :p

sambo.

Jun 13, 2004, 10:33 AM

i seriousl doubt it. unless you bought a panther machine after tiger is announced. then they usually give it ya. :D

Duff-Man

Jun 13, 2004, 11:01 AM

i seriousl doubt it. unless you bought a panther machine after tiger is announced. then they usually give it ya. :DDuff-Man says...just to clarify that - you may get it for only the shipping/handling fee (usually around $20) if you got a Mac after 10.4's official shipping date is announced, not when the OS itself is announced. While WWDC in a couple weeks will see an announcement about 10.4 and a preview of some features, a shipping announcement will come later in the beta cycle...10.3 ship date was announced in september and that is when the entitlement to "free" upgrades was set.....oh yeah!

bennetsaysargh

Jun 13, 2004, 11:22 AM

well, what if it's not s big as everyone thinks it's gonna be? didn't they give away 10.1? people complained about that and said it was a big beta for 10.2. whatever. it is nice to dream sometimes...
:)

BaDBoY

Jun 13, 2004, 11:30 AM

Maybe missing something here but just had a search on google and came up with this forum which thinks tiger will be a free upgrade??? can this be ? any one care to educate me if this is true or not ?

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Tom
http://www.bit-quest.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3284

when was a BIG mac osX update like panther free? Jaguar was definately not free either. I dont think that gives the idea that they would give Tiger for free.

Like someone said, it is nice to dream :p
But if we dont pay apple for making such great sotware/hardware, how would they continue making more?

jackieonasses

Jun 13, 2004, 12:44 PM

I don't know if you know this that 10.4 is going to be the last update for a while. The next update might be Mac OS XI. I don't know. There might not be a 10.5.no they wont they will keep alive X as long as they can. OS 8 went to at least 8.6 soo there.

justin216

Jun 13, 2004, 01:10 PM

They gave away 10.1 because the original 10 had too many errors and problems

StrangeQuark

Jun 13, 2004, 01:15 PM

I don't know if you know this that 10.4 is going to be the last update for a while. The next update might be Mac OS XI. I don't know. There might not be a 10.5.

The X moniker is too stylish. They're going to hold onto it for as long as possible before they shift to the more cumbersome XI. If you look at the way they're naming the upgrades, the numbers are incrementing by single digits. Previous Apple tended to do an x.0 release, an x.1 for free, then a non-free x.5.

pianojoe

Jun 13, 2004, 01:16 PM

A friend of mine is stuck in this dilemma:

He gets himself a new Mac every year (well, every second year, but he has two Macs, therefore: every year). Therefore his system version will be up to date at some time during this period. Now, whenever a new OSX version is released, he steals :-( it from the internet and claims: Well, in 4 months I'll be having my new PowerBook (or G5 or whatever). If I bought OS 10.x now, it would be a waste of money. I'll get it for free in 4 months anyway.

Of course, he's wrong, legally speaking. But his point is not completely illogical. Maybe he should sync hardware purchase and OS release.

I suggested to him: Buy the new OS when it comes out, and when you get another original CD/DVD with your new machine, sell the first one that you bought full price on eBay.

What do you think?

wdlove

Jun 13, 2004, 02:30 PM

I will admit that is quite a dilemma to have pianojoe. I couldn't afford a new Mac every other year. He should purchase his software legally though.

It wasn't from this site, but I read somewhere also that 10.4 might be free. In any case, we will find out in two weeks from the boss.

I agree also that Apple will keep the X icon around for awhile yet.

Windowlicker

Jun 13, 2004, 02:49 PM

I think it's pretty much waste of time to even think about the 10.x update prices. there will be a price tag for Tiger and there will be a price tag for 10.5 ->.

thejazzman10

Jun 13, 2004, 04:51 PM

im a newbie and i was just wondering how to post a new thread.

Go to the main macrumors page, select wich forum you want (eg. mac hardware and software) click more ,click where you want it to be (e.g. mac hardware), go to the bottom and click new thread.
glad i could help :D

IndyGopher

Jun 13, 2004, 07:45 PM

The X moniker is too stylish. They're going to hold onto it for as long as possible before they shift to the more cumbersome XI. If you look at the way they're naming the upgrades, the numbers are incrementing by single digits. Previous Apple tended to do an x.0 release, an x.1 for free, then a non-free x.5.

Since the "real" name is OS X version 10.whatever, there is always a chance (a good one, I think) that they will keep it indefinitely. So we might see OS X version 11.. 12.. ad nauseum. Of course, Apple would then have to start pronouncing it "ecks" instead of "ten"

LaMerVipere

Jun 13, 2004, 08:05 PM

I'd say the odds of 10.4 being free are about as good as the odds that there would be a PC version of it...

"Introducing Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger
Now for Mac + PC"

...yea...:cool:

PowerMacMan

Jun 13, 2004, 09:26 PM

Who would even think such a thing... :rolleyes:

OziMac

Jun 14, 2004, 07:30 AM

Haha... this thread cracks me up :)

Good on you guys.

JFreak

Jun 14, 2004, 08:19 AM

Since the "real" name is OS X version 10.whatever, there is always a chance (a good one, I think) that they will keep it indefinitely.

you're confused :) the real name of an operating system is a "mac osx" and the version number of it is "3.4" currently. it is written "10.3.4" simply because the sorting order is easier to manage that way. "X.3.4" would be just as correct, but instead of listing the version as a first one, the x-wrinting style puts it to the bottom.

so to repeat myself: we have a mac osx 3.4 currently, not a 10.3.4 or ten-whatever. "10" equals "X" and that just means "OS X" - a new generation of macintosh system.

the version number (3.4) is a combination of "major" and "minor" version numbers and is NOT a binary number. so there can very well be a mac osx 999.999 if steve some day wants so. these are two integers combined together with a period. not a binary.

Thom_Edwards

Jun 14, 2004, 08:46 AM

you're confused :) the real name of an operating system is a "mac osx" and the version number of it is "3.4" currently. it is written "10.3.4" simply because the sorting order is easier to manage that way. "X.3.4" would be just as correct, but instead of listing the version as a first one, the x-wrinting style puts it to the bottom.

so to repeat myself: we have a mac osx 3.4 currently, not a 10.3.4 or ten-whatever. "10" equals "X" and that just means "OS X" - a new generation of macintosh system.

the version number (3.4) is a combination of "major" and "minor" version numbers and is NOT a binary number. so there can very well be a mac osx 999.999 if steve some day wants so. these are two integers combined together with a period. not a binary.

actually, i think indygopher is correct and you are confused.

MacRy

Jun 14, 2004, 10:55 AM

Duff-Man says...just to clarify that - you may get it for only the shipping/handling fee (usually around $20) if you got a Mac after 10.4's official shipping date is announced, not when the OS itself is announced. While WWDC in a couple weeks will see an announcement about 10.4 and a preview of some features, a shipping announcement will come later in the beta cycle...10.3 ship date was announced in september and that is when the entitlement to "free" upgrades was set.....oh yeah!

Dude do you always talk like that? You do realise that you're not Duff-Man don't you and that referring to yourself in the third person the whole time makes you sound a little crazy

With regard to 10.4 being free......Yeeeeeeaaaaah right! I think not. You want quality - you have to pay for it.....erm....oh yeah! (as Duff-Man might say)....were he real.... :)

liketom

Jun 14, 2004, 11:06 AM

I happen to like Duff man , and when Duff man say's O' Yeah ..he means O'yeah
thanks for input every one looks like my £99 is waiting for Tiger now

amols

Jun 14, 2004, 11:11 AM

strider42

Jun 14, 2004, 11:11 AM

so to repeat myself: we have a mac osx 3.4 currently, not a 10.3.4 or ten-whatever. "10" equals "X" and that just means "OS X" - a new generation of macintosh system.

I believe officially the operating system is named Mac OS X 10.3. OS X is the brand name, version 10.3 is the version of that operating system. So having OS X 11.x.x is fully possible and would match up with what apple has been doing for a while now. The operating system is NOT named OS X.3

fartheststar

Jun 14, 2004, 11:12 AM

I can see it now, "Tiger 10.4 released" hits the front page of macrumors. Then most of you guys will say "Nah, im waiting for 10.5" A year passes, nothing happens. Hehe.... :p

I bought my G4 (needed OS9) 3 months prior to Panther and didn't get the upgrade free. I'm still on 10.2.8 and I will be buying Tiger once it's stable. I can't wait to use Expose and whatever new goodies Tiger has. I couldn't justify the purchase of Panther at the time.... I can now... but why bother when Tiger will be announced shortly. (Improved mail, safari, expose, etc ;)

Hey... if they say at WWDC "Anyone who buys panther after X date gets a free upgrade to Tiger", then I will". They've done that with DVD studio Pro 1.5 to 2 in the past, MS did it with office.... but I doubt they would do it with the OS.

kanker

Jun 14, 2004, 11:30 PM

I believe officially the operating system is named Mac OS X 10.3. OS X is the brand name, version 10.3 is the version of that operating system. So having OS X 11.x.x is fully possible and would match up with what apple has been doing for a while now. The operating system is NOT named OS X.3That would be correct. Look at the Apple software update/downloads page on their website, and you'll see updates for OSX 10.3.4 (among others). I wouldn't be surprised to see OSX 11.5.3 at some point.

As a side note, I love the whole Duff-Man says........oh yeah! thing. Make me wish I had thought of something like that first. :D

StrangeQuark

Jun 15, 2004, 11:36 PM

That would be correct. Look at the Apple software update/downloads page on their website, and you'll see updates for OSX 10.3.4 (among others). I wouldn't be surprised to see OSX 11.5.3 at some point.

As a side note, I love the whole Duff-Man says........oh yeah! thing. Make me wish I had thought of something like that first. :D

Well, even updating every year they have until late 2010 before we push beyond 10.x. Updating every 1.5 or 2 years could push it to 2013 or 2016. Basically, the span of time between OS X and OS Whatever will be at least as long as that between System 7 and X, and possibly as long as System 1 and X. I wouldn't bet on OS X 11.5.3, I'd bet on a totally new OS that is as radical a departure from OS X as OS X was from Classic OS. For that, they will come up with an entirely new naming scheme for marketing reasons.

jimjiminyjim

Jun 16, 2004, 12:29 AM

Thank you StrangeQuark for stating the obvious! As cool as the OS X brand is, Apple would never let the name get so confusing. Any number beyond 10 will be so far into the future (technologically speaking) that the question is irrelevant. Mugs up to all things wireless and new through 10.4.

FuzzyBallz

Jun 16, 2004, 01:03 AM

Yes, when you buy a new or refurb system from Apple after Tiger's introduced...

Dude do you always talk like that? You do realise that you're not Duff-Man don't you and that referring to yourself in the third person the whole time makes you sound a little crazy

Well, you get use to it. It's the samething w/ people who signs their name at the end of every post even though their name's right next to their post already. You're just glad some people's handle's not "Your mom".

aswitcher

Jun 16, 2004, 01:33 AM

adamjay

Jun 16, 2004, 01:43 AM

Dude do you always talk like that? You do realise that you're not Duff-Man don't you and that referring to yourself in the third person the whole time makes you sound a little crazy

you mean thats not Duff-Man? :confused: :( :mad:

on a serious note... you must be new around these parts. Duff-Man is a staple and i always enjoy hearing what he has to say... just as Homer would.

DMann

Jun 16, 2004, 01:58 AM

Educational discount is very generous indeed!

iKwak

Jun 16, 2004, 02:14 AM

off-topic: Microsoft never gave free upgrade on their o.s.

MacRy

Jun 16, 2004, 03:42 AM

MacRy says: To all of the DuffMan fans and DuffMan himself - i'm only yanking your chain guys, no offence meant - DuffMan speaks the truth most of the time....oh yeah!

Still think he's a little unstable though ;)

oingoboingo

Jun 16, 2004, 04:25 AM

I think Apple would gain allot of fans if they gave a discount on Tiger to .Mac owners...that's where there business channel is going to get its annual income now that the OSX development is slowing so that's where they should be pushing people...

Indeed, a discount for .Mac members would be a welcome change from the usual .Mac member's specials, which are for want of a better word, lacking (especially for non-US subscribers). I doubt I will be renewing my membership when my current year's subscription ends...especially with outfits like Google and Yahoo now giving away 100MB+ e-mail accounts.

adamjay

Jun 16, 2004, 12:11 PM

Still think he's a little unstable though ;)

unstable... just as every Beer-Endorsing Super Hero should be. but at least he uses a mac! ;)

netytan

Jun 16, 2004, 12:36 PM

This needs to end lol. No its not going to be free sadly. although it would be nice - what would be nicer still would be if .Mac was actualyl worth paying for, i mean come on its pathetic and making users pay for it is even worse :rolleyes:

Maybe if say it came with a monthly subscription to say MacWorld (one of the cheeper Mac Mags) or if thats too much to handle im sure Apple could publish there own in PDF form at little to no cost. That to me would make it at least may be slightly useful but still, pretty bad you have to admit ;).

At the very least if they would just improve the home-page facility. Maybe add some standard things like CGI (Python, Perl) and or PHP support? Then we could offset the cost of .Mac with whatever we could be paying for hosting. And they could make even more money off us by offering to register domains for us :cool:.

Makes sence to me anyway :D,

Mark.

italianmacboy

Jun 16, 2004, 01:46 PM

Mac Os 10.4 "Tiger"
will be free for the users wich will buy A Mac without it 1 or 2 months before it release, paying only the expediction Costs (Doing the Up-to-Datehttp://forums.macrumors.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=889604#)

jknight8907

Jun 16, 2004, 02:01 PM

No. Unless of course you were to 'borrow' someone's. But you wouldn't do that! :D

kanker

Jun 16, 2004, 10:17 PM

Well, even updating every year they have until late 2010 before we push beyond 10.x. Updating every 1.5 or 2 years could push it to 2013 or 2016. Basically, the span of time between OS X and OS Whatever will be at least as long as that between System 7 and X, and possibly as long as System 1 and X. I wouldn't bet on OS X 11.5.3, I'd bet on a totally new OS that is as radical a departure from OS X as OS X was from Classic OS. For that, they will come up with an entirely new naming scheme for marketing reasons.I think that as long as the Mac OS is unix based that the brand will be OS X. I certainly could be wrong, and Apple is definitely the hardest company in the world to predict, but it also seems that the letter 'X' is a fundamental part of many unix based OS's, e.g. linux, AIX, OS X, as unix is inherently a stream of puns and other weird bases for command names. I'm grasping at straws of course.

StrangeQuark

Jun 16, 2004, 10:26 PM

I think that as long as the Mac OS is unix based that the brand will be OS X. I certainly could be wrong, and Apple is definitely the hardest company in the world to predict, but it also seems that the letter 'X' is a fundamental part of many unix based OS's, e.g. linux, AIX, OS X, as unix is inherently a stream of puns and other weird bases for command names. I'm grasping at straws of course.

I have one word for you: "Solaris". Extremely popular UNIX based OS. No X in the name. Incidentally, Linux isn't Unix-based either. The codebase is completely independent. Now UNIX-inspired, that's another thing.

Interesting side-note: Every major operating system in existence today is strongly tied to Unix. Windows is built atop DOS, which was a hack of CP/M, which was a hack of Unix (Windows, a graft onto a hack of a hack). Mac OS X is built directly atop BSD Unix. Linux is strongly Unix inspired, is code-compatible, and uses the same shells. We owe a lot to Bell Labs.

johnnyjibbs

Jun 17, 2004, 03:29 AM

I would expect Tiger to be $129/£99, just like Jaguar and Panther.

Mac OS X 10.1 (Puma) was free (or $20 ;) ) because Mac OS X 10.0 (Cheetah) was incomplete in many obvious areas. Of course it was only free to 10.0 users, which is fair.

I doubt Tiger will be more than $129/£99 because I can't see it taking longer to develop than Panther. I bet it will be out at around October again, only a year after Panther. I say this because announcing its features so early at WWDC begins to hurt sales of Panther as people then expect it to be "around the corner", like they did last year. So they need to then get it out as soon as possible.

It would be nice to see some incentives for .Mac users though. If I could get Tiger for half price as a .Mac user, I'd sign up, and this could be a good thing for Apple.

Regarding the numbering system. Mac OS X is Macintosh Operating System version 10. They could have called it Mac OS 10 but they used the roman numerals to distinguish it from the old classic Mac OS. This also explains why Mac OS 9 was rushed through and didn't last that long: because 10 is a nice round number to start the next generation.

I expect OS X to continue for many years, maybe even outdoing System 7. We'll see 10.4, 10.5, 10.6... - there's no reason why we can't have Mac OS X 10.10 or 10.11. That would still be OS 10, not 11. So, unlike what JFreak points out, Panther is 10.3.4 not version 3.4 of a new system called X. Personally I find the numbering system much better than the mess that Windows has got itself into.

Of course, expect the familiar outcries when we have to shell out more money to upgrade later this year and, of course, iLife '05 in January.

liketom

Jun 17, 2004, 08:54 AM

ok so if Tiger is not going to be free and it will be the last release for a while .. how much do you think apple will charge ??? say if its $129 /£99 you would buy with min moaning about the price but what if apple decide to charge say $169-$200 £115- 130 ish WOULD you buy ?? i expect Tiger to last at least 2 years or so , so more bang for my buck maybe? what do you all think?

Tom