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arn
Jul 14, 2002, 09:37 PM
But days away from MacWorld Expo... here is a summary of rumors/news over the past few months related to Apple and MacWorld Expo New York 2002. You can watch the keynote yourself (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/07/20020708193824.shtml), and follow the action in the MacRumors IRC Channel (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/07/20020714174948.shtml).

PowerMacs
Last release: Jan 28, 2002 (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/01/20020128095752.shtml)

As always, predictions about new PowerMacs span the entire range. Early (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/05/20020511173913.shtml) and subsequent (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/07/20020708195825.shtml) rumors hinted at dual 1.4 GHz G4s toping out the PowerMac line... and even the occasional 1.5 GHz (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/07/20020702103451.shtml) rumors... but with clear hints (one (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/05/20020512152914.shtml), two (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/06/20020621225247.shtml)) that the G5 will not be coming this soon.

More recent rumors, however suggest that there will be no new PowerMacs until August (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/07/20020709212103.shtml) and with speeds "in excess" of 1.2 GHz. This latter rumor coming from CNet (http://www.news.com), which tends to be have more reliable rumors than the standard rumor fare.

What information that did leak out, however, was the Prototype Motherboard (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/05/20020502203450.shtml) that was somehow leaked and attempted to be sold on eBay. That particular auction was quickly brought to a halt, and photos hosted on this site were targets of Apple Legal Cease and Desist letters.

Prototype Enclosures (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/07/20020707124222.shtml)

iMac
Last release: Jan 7, 2002 (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/01/20020107154105.shtml)

LCD iMacs were released (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/01/20020107154105.shtml) at MacWorld SanFrancisco 2002. While an early revision seems unlikely, CNet hints at 17" iMacs (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/07/20020709212103.shtml) upcoming at this MacWorld.

iBooks
Last release: May 20, 2002 (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/05/20020520065111.shtml)

With a relatively recent update, as well as hints from Apple (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/06/20020618053542.shtml) that the iBook would not head into G4 territory just yet, special edition G4 (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/06/20020612104329.shtml) iBook rumors still surfaced.

TiBook
Last release: April 29, 2002 (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/04/20020429070647.shtml)

No serious rumors about TiBook updates are currently available... but 1GHz models (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/06/20020628102050.shtml) are reportedly floating around... but not for this Expo.


iPod
[i]Last update: March 20, 2002 (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/03/20020320183528.shtml)

With a 10gig upgrade only four months ago, ThinkSecret (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/07/20020712133520.shtml) feels that a 20GB iPod will surface at MacWorld Expo 2002. Previous PC iPod (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/06/20020621100335.shtml) rumors continue, but recent hints (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/06/20020629114324.shtml) against such a release at this time.

Misc

Apple and High-End Graphics? (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/06/20020614180707.shtml)
Firewire 2 at MWNY (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/06/20020621082709.shtml)
Jaguar in August (http://www.ipodhacks.com/admin.php?op=adminMain)

Hemingray
Jul 14, 2002, 09:46 PM
Very well put and posted, arn. Thanks.

I think the PowerMacs will be the most closely followed. At least I know I'LL be keeping a close eye on them! And as for the G4 iBooks, I'll buy one as soon as they move to the G4, but no sooner. I'll probably be waiting awhile, as is usually the case...

billiam0878
Jul 14, 2002, 09:59 PM
I've got my fingers crossed for a new 20GB iPod. If I could pick up a 10GB for $399 or a 5GB for $299, that would be the deal maker. Otherwise, I can't wait for Jaguar and some updated 17-inch iMacs. Hopefully we'll see some brand spanking new PowerMacs in August that'll hit 1.4GHz- perhaps even 1.5 :).

Bill

Cappy
Jul 14, 2002, 10:13 PM
Very nice post Arm. I love it when we can see a recap like that. It's so easy to forget some of this stuff that's been talked about in the Mac community.

On the ibook I've been eyeing them for awhile now and might already have one but I want the max ram to be at least 1 GB. 640 MB is just too small to futureproof for at least 3 years. It's pointless to buy a system for personal use that won't last that long...at least the way I use them. :)

boobers
Jul 14, 2002, 10:25 PM
i still wanna stick my neck out and say that apple will have a camera for us to sync with iPhoto. Surely i could be wrong, but, if Apple wanted to make a better camera they know all they need to do is replace the Flash Ram (yuck!) with an mini HD ala iPod and BAM! They have my money! However it must be 4megapixels or better. (prolly just more wishful thinking on my part) -but if ichat is going to have video support then this camera would be a great addition to the Digi-hub.
Geezus i hope i'm right :D :p :cool:

christof
Jul 14, 2002, 10:28 PM
It's too bad that nothing was noted that speaks of a *brand-new* iPod...

So many technologies speak about a new Apple PDA coming to market. Now is the time.

Sony is going on its own in regard to its Palm-based devices--they're embedding their "iApps" into their handhelds... Handspring is moving to personal communicators (Treo)... HP is killing off the Journada in favor of the iPaq--Pocket PC was never as good as the Palm, which was never as good as the Newton.

The time is right... Thin, high-capacity hard drives (Toshiba 10GB and 20GB) are at the right price points for Apple to start filling them up with a toned down version of Mac OS X (or another operating system that works well with multimedia. Certainly, Apple has been able to work with Samsung (right?) to produce low-cost, good looking small-sized LCD's.

The iPod has been morphing into a PDA, wish its contacts ability. AND... Mac OS X has begun to show its versatility: Rendezvouz, Airport, iChat, Address Book, Sherlock, Mail, Fast Find... These are the things you need in a PDA... But there needs to be a very good implementation of data input: Inkwell.

Now is the time... And, with the Switch campaign beginning and growth of the PDA leveling off (only to be fuled again by next-generation PDA's entering the market, such as cell phones running on 3G and Palm OS 5 devices)... I'm fairly certain that an Apple PDA will be another push to get the PC user to Switch to the Mac.

SilvorX
Jul 14, 2002, 10:40 PM
as soon as athlon processors/pentium processors have that special microchip to stop stuff like viruses/junkmail/sharing of mp3s/etc (microsoft's idea), LOTS of ppl will be going to mac without a doubt, unless microsoft signs up IBM/Motorolla for that (without apple's approval)

DonMateo
Jul 14, 2002, 10:55 PM
DUDE! I hope the next digi-hubber isn't a camera... I just got an Olympus 3020! Which rocks the hizzy, IMHO.

I am thinking a Tivo like device might be it... the point has been made that Apple would then have to create a Tivo-like service, and no way that's gonna happen, yada yada.

A camcorder? No. Tivo? No. Camera?

I think it has the best chance, even though this would suck given my recent purchase.

A digi-hubber would have to sync up with an iApp. There has been speculation that perhaps a new iApp will surface on Wednesday, so there remains the possibility of a new digi-hubber/iApp combo that we're not expecting.

Yeah right.

SUPER WEAK. We're getting nothing. NOTHING.

Unless we do, then, you heard it here first.

theranch
Jul 14, 2002, 11:10 PM
Well...the rumors that have sprung up recently look well designed to throw everyone off here and on other rumor sites. There was a steady push regarding the new powermacs(and G5's) then a couple of rumors from other sites got most of the people on here questioning if we were even going to see powermacs at MWNY. It appears well orchestrated by Apple to really make us professionals appreciate what is unveiled this week instead of bitching and complaining like when the new iMac was unveiled at MWSF and a G5 wasn't. As someone else posted... this could be their plan to confuse us and block the rumor sites from the real info.
Obviously we only have to wait until Wed to see what happens.
Just my 2 cents...please put those flame throwers down.

menoinjun
Jul 15, 2002, 12:14 AM
Has anyone gotten to think that Apple might release a new line or at least a model or two more of powermacs this expo? This would be consistent with the rebate promotion, and also consistent with the rumors. Say the prices drop by 300-500 dollars or so, keep the rebate and release uber-macs with DDR ram, ATA 133, firewire 2, etc... One or two models could be at $2999 and $3499 like the old dual 500's used to be.

Any comments?

-Pete

DannyZR2
Jul 15, 2002, 12:35 AM
I wonder if anyone's thought of this??::::

Since now we have eMac, iMac and PowerMac... what if the iBook became a mid-line in the consumer portables as the iMac has become the mid-line in the desktop arena. This would give way to a nice new product to take in underneath the iBook that would allow the iBook to go G4 and satisfy all of the people wanting a MORE portable computer than even the 12'1 iBook. I won't try to guess of what it would be, but I could see it.

eMac iMac PowerMac
eBook? iBook TiBook


or maybe just have a 12.1 iBook with a G3 and a 14" G4 iBook as the midline... that would satisfy the g4 ibook dreamers as well as the comment of "the g3 has plenty of life" and make the 12.1 g3 a super portable for battery life...........


BUT it would be sweet to see a new product fill the void under the iBook that had a decent 600+ G3 and decent size display.. perhaps with inkwell.. (I won't call it a Pxx) since I'll get bashed, but you know where I'm going with this.. btw.. I'd buy one....

DannyZR2
Jul 15, 2002, 12:38 AM
Originally posted by ptrauber
Has anyone gotten to think that Apple might release a new line or at least a model or two more of powermacs this expo? This would be consistent with the rebate promotion, and also consistent with the rumors. Say the prices drop by 300-500 dollars or so, keep the rebate and release uber-macs with DDR ram, ATA 133, firewire 2, etc... One or two models could be at $2999 and $3499 like the old dual 500's used to be.

Any comments?

-Pete

I tend to think the promotion is NOT for the PowerMac's at all.. but for the displays!... I mean.. obviosly.. Powermac's are involved, but that's just because they don't sell ANYTHING that uses displays BUT the powermacs!.. so they HAVE to be included in the rebate if ANYTHING is!

So get your rebated DISPLAY while you can along with your PowerMac... and when the new PM's come out in 3 days..... you can STILL get your rebated display, but now with a NEW powermac! :)

DannyZR2
Jul 15, 2002, 12:40 AM
OH AND::::::

I think this is reason to speculate UPDATED DISPLAYS!!!!!!

Remember the talk about the Apple icon [or is it iCon] being silver on the new HD 23" but blue on the other displays???

maybe we'll see new widescreen displays in say august..... and that's why the rebate is on now through august.. again..not because of powermac.'s... although this was a good ploy by apple to increase sales of the PM's since some people aren't buying expecting new machines...

not sure how it worked...

Shaktai
Jul 15, 2002, 01:01 AM
Originally posted by boobers
i still wanna stick my neck out and say that apple will have a camera for us to sync with iPhoto. Surely i could be wrong, but, if Apple wanted to make a better camera they know all they need to do is replace the Flash Ram (yuck!) with an mini HD ala iPod and BAM! They have my money! However it must be 4megapixels or better.

A wishful thinking thread over at Apple Insider brought up the idea of a Foveon chip based camera. The more I think about it, the more it would make sense. Foveon is leading edge imaging technology that produces better qualityl, sharpness and color with smaller file sizes. If Apple were to create a digital camera, that is the path I would like to see them take. It would differentiate them from the run of the mill digital cameras. (a Foveon 3.3 megapixel is eqivalent to a 7 megapixel traditional camera. If you don't know what it is, check out these links. http://www.foveon.com/X3_comparison.html -- http://www.sigmaphoto.com/Html/news/news_sd9_fs.htm -- http://www.dpreview.com/news/0202/02021103foveonx3preview.asp

It would be pure Apple all the way. Just wishful thinking. CF II/ IBM microdrive compatibility with firewire, would probably satisfy most folks cravings.

menoinjun
Jul 15, 2002, 01:11 AM
That display issue is something that I had forgotten about.

The ASC in my compusa where I work is pushing the idea of new screens very much. I know that apple probably doesn't tell him anything, but he was right about a few things last macworld.

-Pete

Look for new displays.

3rdpath
Jul 15, 2002, 01:33 AM
nice recap arn. with the plethora of threads it has become rather difficult to keep the story-line straight...

i have no predictions...just gonna sit back and see what steve has up his black mock-turtleneck sleeves.

gerror
Jul 15, 2002, 01:47 AM
"i still wanna stick my neck out and say that apple will have a camera for us to sync with iPhoto. Surely i could be wrong, but, if Apple wanted to make a better camera they know all they need to do is replace the Flash Ram (yuck!) with an mini HD ala iPod and BAM! They have my money! However it must be 4megapixels or better. (prolly just more wishful thinking on my part) -but if ichat is going to have video support then this camera would be a great addition to the Digi-hub. "

I think boobers has a point. Apple made cameras before so they got the knowhow.

mmmdreg
Jul 15, 2002, 02:34 AM
I want a 1GHz 17" iMac...seems kinda doubtful though..

gotohamish
Jul 15, 2002, 05:27 AM
I agree on the displays debate, this current promo will shift the current stock of PowerMacs, every one of which will ship with the display, thus clearing their inventory for a new range 17", 19" 22" and 23"HD at the end of August.

New PowerMacs at MWNY will also be eligible for the promo, thus firing sales of the new machines, what with the current ones' "trickling" sales.

We shall see, oh yes.

synergy
Jul 15, 2002, 08:06 AM
Yes I do have a digital camera a few years old and probably would upgrade if something incredibly nice enticed me enough. But I am waiting for the Canon SLRs to come down in price. The ones that I can interchange with my existing Canon 35mm lenses on the A2 body. They have them now but at very high prices. I personally don't see a camera happening though from Apple.

A PDA based on Palm would be very nice. As someone else mentioned Sony bundles their own apps on their Palm based PDAs. Apple should do the same. They could put iChat on it, quicktime, and more. Palm version 5 brings us closer to where we need to be. Apple as well could get some SD makers to bring out some cool SD cards for use with Apple. Bluetooth I believe is already available.

I currently use my Handspring Visor as a fancy datebook and address book. And then only rarely. Don't plan on buying anything new just yet. But Apple could entice me to if they brought out a PDA with their Inkwell on it.

Also for the Tivo like device this is possible also and could be integrated with the iTools/.mac pay for services. Some sites were talking about how Apple wants to generate more money from .Mac/iTools. Well a subscription fee based on giving users data on TV programing info is one way. In addition Apple would be able to add things like ease of integration with computer over airport? Or Apple has a direct means for putting quicktime on your TV set with it.
Microsoft is trying to do that as well with their Corona media player due soon. They want HDTV media player, which is what Corona is. Apple's own Quicktime with Mpeg4 is that aim as well.

Oh well, its fun speculating. Only a few hours left (so to speak). :)

moJoMR
Jul 15, 2002, 10:12 AM
I'm hoping for an iPod/iTunes update that supports AAC.. they use half the flie space right? 2000 songs in my pocket :)

Rocketman
Jul 15, 2002, 10:12 AM
Here's my unofficial predictions:

1. G5 X-serve, deferred ship date. G5's were sampled in January. Its time for initial releases to go out.

2. Powermac G4 major upgrade including Firewire 2, 1.4 ghx, dual drive bays on front, DDR, faster bus. Ship in late August.

3. Open or free tivo like software/hardware. Free TV is almost back again. (one more thing)

4. emac speeed bump and feature add-on DVD

5. Pro audio product line. Better mac audio I/O support.

One product will fail on stage, blow up and Steve will toss it off the stage and it will fall into Bill Gates lap.

Jerry

Just guesses.

:cool:

kaneda
Jul 15, 2002, 10:37 AM
G5 will be announce!!!! WOOOOHOOOO!!!

Rocketman
Jul 15, 2002, 11:06 AM
Originally posted by kaneda
G5 will be announce!!!! WOOOOHOOOO!!!

Of course the price will be $12,000, and well worth it, but let them loose.

Rocketman

http://v-serv.com/-upload/avatar.jpg

mccoma
Jul 15, 2002, 01:02 PM
I would rather Apple keep the same speed for the eMacs and drop the price. If they intend to drop the G3 iMacs from the lineup, I would love to have the eMac creep down in price to replace them.

On the same note, I wish you could Build To Order a eMac with a DVD-ROM and no modem.

Sayer
Jul 15, 2002, 01:39 PM
There has been -zero- promo on MWNY. The G4 rebates were extended for another month almost, not a good sign. MacWorld Expo is a consumer showcase so a new G4/DDR or G5 would not exactly fit in with the theme of the overally expo.

What *could* we expect? Xserve is just now shipping, plus its not a consumer home product (except maybe SOHO). Mac OS X 10.2 isn't done so it will be a show and tell with maybe a ship date (and cost). Big whoop we all knew that already.

iBooks were just updated, the eMac was just released to consumers. The iMac LCD is dead in the water thanks to the eMac (Apple opened eMac up to non-edu because it absolutely killed LCD iMac sales). The eMac *could* get an update/expansion of some specs, that would make the most sense. Apple really screwed up there.

This whole 17" LCD iMac sounds hokey. I haven't hefted an LCD iMac but I bet its weight would not quite offset a 17" LCD held out in space on an arm that seems to be engineered just strong enough to support the current display. Just my opinion.

The 17" iMac may have been a deliberate leak to test the media or to distract from the utter lack of anything new hardware-wise at this expo beyond spec changes.

Its a real bummer, but that's what its looking like. A dog and pony progress report expo keynote with little if anything "new" on the hardware end.

eric_n_dfw
Jul 15, 2002, 02:08 PM
Last night on the IRC channel, someone asked why the keynote is on Wednesday - I think this is why: http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2002/jul/12earnings_alert.html

SubFredZero
Jul 15, 2002, 02:38 PM
Originally posted by Sayer
The iMac LCD is dead in the water thanks to the eMac (Apple opened eMac up to non-edu because it absolutely killed LCD iMac sales). The eMac *could* get an update/expansion of some specs, that would make the most sense. Apple really screwed up there.

I exectually think the same thing... But if they would update the emac with a superdrive, 800 mhz, the imac would be even deather (hmm... could it go that low ?).

Then when apple would introduce the imac 17" LCD. it would be to pricy... nobody could affort it, and it just aint worth... i think the CRT monitors are good enough, we don't realy need LCD, it just luxuary... The emac is as beatyfull as the imac.
When i saw them both in real life, the emac is a lot more beautifull, the foot of the imac is way bigger in real life. At the apple website you can't realy see it but it realy huge... (This is where the 17" would be good, the big foot wouldn't look big anymore :))

Well, i think :

- No powermacs :(
- No imac 17" but new spect to creat bigger gap with the emac
- Introducing Jaguar with a presentation...
- New ipod : this could be software updates or a 20Gb. i hope both...
- The books are just updated... no new ibooks or powerbooks

mattador
Jul 15, 2002, 03:31 PM
What aubout this: Letīs assume for the moment the rumors about no PowerMacs at MWNY are true and there is a special event announcing them in August. It wouldnīt make any sense having a special event in August just to tell the people the machines are available in September or so, they will be available right away. But if they are really available in Mid-August why does Steve not announce them on MWNY? Four weeks delay - we had more than that before. The only reason for this move I can think of is that there is somthing else, something more important to announce - at least on a consumer show. But what?

Now letīs assume the rumors about an iDevice with 20 GB are true as well. 20 GB on an iPod makes more than 4000 songs, sorry folks but only a few of us have that many "CDīs". Too much for a pure iPod. There had been pictures of a mysterious commercial featuring Phil Schiller, a side shot of an unknown device, flatter than the current iPod and with USB and Firewire-connectors and a blurred screenshot of iPhoto here on Macumors. They vanished after a couple of hours without any trace or even a comment from Macrumors - thatīs not there style. So letīs make a third assumption that this commercial was a real one and Apple threatened the sh.. out of Macrumors so they deleted any trace of it.

So we have a new iDevice with 20 GB, connecting to USB, Firewire, syncing with iPhoto and big enough to postpone a PowerMac-annoncement. My guess is this: Itīs a digital wallet. Yes, these things already exist, but so did a MP3-Player. Apple might introduce a digital wallet done right. Connecting to your digital camera, to a Mac and a PC, to iTunes and who knows maybe to Entourage. Stores data, pics and music. Has a little color-display to show the pics of your kids to your colleagues and maybe a touchscreen for taking notes via Inkwell (not too likely in my opinion). Not a PDA but a digital device lots of us can use: Listen to thousands of songs, storing hundreds of holiday pictures, carry data from Mac to PC, boot a foreign Mac on your very own system, and, and, and... Think (different) about it an tell me your opinion.

boobers
Jul 15, 2002, 03:41 PM
Originally posted by mattador
. There had been pictures of a mysterious commercial featuring Phil Schiller, a side shot of an unknown device, flatter than the current iPod and with USB and Firewire-connectors and a blurred screenshot of iPhoto here on Macumors. They vanished after a couple of hours without any trace or even a comment from Macrumors - thatīs not there style. So letīs make a third assumption that this commercial was a real one and Apple threatened the sh.. out of Macrumors so they deleted any trace of it.

That guy admitted on that forum that it was a fake. Arn killed that thread as any good admin would do.

Deltan
Jul 15, 2002, 03:45 PM
Why does the Jaguar in August link go to http://www.ipodhacks.com/admin.php?op=adminMain ??

Typo? Or am I missing something?:confused:

ryan
Jul 15, 2002, 04:02 PM
Originally posted by DannyZR2
I wonder if anyone's thought of this??::::

Since now we have eMac, iMac and PowerMac... what if the iBook became a mid-line in the consumer portables as the iMac has become the mid-line in the desktop arena. This would give way to a nice new product to take in underneath the iBook that would allow the iBook to go G4 and satisfy all of the people wanting a MORE portable computer than even the 12'1 iBook. I won't try to guess of what it would be, but I could see it.

eMac iMac PowerMac
eBook? iBook TiBook


or maybe just have a 12.1 iBook with a G3 and a 14" G4 iBook as the midline... that would satisfy the g4 ibook dreamers as well as the comment of "the g3 has plenty of life" and make the 12.1 g3 a super portable for battery life...........


BUT it would be sweet to see a new product fill the void under the iBook that had a decent 600+ G3 and decent size display.. perhaps with inkwell.. (I won't call it a Pxx) since I'll get bashed, but you know where I'm going with this.. btw.. I'd buy one....

Why does everyone think larger screen == better portable? I was more than happy to give up the extra power of a TiPB so I could get the smaller screened, (IMHO) more portable 12.1" iBook. If/when Apple moves the iBook line to the G4 then I will upgrade but only if this future iBook's overall dimensions do not get any larger. I left the Mac portable world for a number of years largely because the size and weight of all the previous G3 based Powerbooks hampered their portability (that and you couldn't do any serious Java development on the Mac prior to OS X). I'll go back to running Linux on a Dell or IBM laptop if I have to but I won't like it.

wHo_tHe
Jul 15, 2002, 04:48 PM
1. Black mock turtleneck for Steve (with jeans)
2. Jaguar ship date (August 20)
3. 20gb iPod ($499) + iTunes 3 (Mac/Win)
4. New 42" plasma monitor ($4995)

job
Jul 15, 2002, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by wHo_tHe
4. New 42" plasma monitor ($4995)

Surely you jest.

suzerain
Jul 15, 2002, 06:13 PM
Hey there. I just had an idea that's just simple enough to actually be feasible.

Personally, while I would like to see an Apple PDA, I just don't think Apple has had the necessary engineering time to strip down OS X yet, and I doubt they would release a handheld running someone else's OS.

But, since some people have been musing about a PVR software/hardware combo, let me throw my idea into the mix. Imagine these announcements from Apple:

(1) An all-new FireWire-based video input device, priced really cheaply. Hook it up to your Mac, and your TV's signal is displayed on the screen. Nothing revolutionary.

(2) Apple announces an all-new iApp that can capture a video stream to MP4 in real time. Just fire it up with the new TV tuner, and it works automatically! Forget your VCR; you can just record shows you miss into MP4 and watch them through QuickTime.

(3) Surprise! The all-new 20 GB iPod has a color screen and MP4 decoding capability. So, record any video into MP4 and you can watch it when you're stuck on the subway in ruch hour. Miss last night's ER? No problem.

The more I think about that, the more I think it could be a really simple killer app, and I can't think of anything similar to it.

But, repositioning the iPod as a music *and* video player would be tremendous, and pave the way for it to become a PDA in the future.

SPG
Jul 15, 2002, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by Sayer


This whole 17" LCD iMac sounds hokey. I haven't hefted an LCD iMac but I bet its weight would not quite offset a 17" LCD held out in space on an arm that seems to be engineered just strong enough to support the current display. Just my opinion.


This has debated ad nauseum when this rumor first surfaced months ago, and the general consensus from people who HAVE firsthand experience with the imac is that it is not only possible to get a 17" LCD on it but would be fairly easy and openly welcomed if the price weren't unreasonable.

Cappy
Jul 15, 2002, 06:54 PM
I just can't help but wonder if the rumors from many months ago of Apple looking into developing a tablet style computer that could go on a bracket of sorts to double as a desktop are this rumored new iMac. It would make more sense in fitting into Apple's lineup. Unless Apple has good market research to support their decision I just don't see how a 17" lcd iMac would be a good seller unless the price drops dramatically. Somehow I just don't see that happening.

SPG
Jul 15, 2002, 09:13 PM
Without a big price jump the 17" imac would be lot more desirable than a 15" imac so why wouldn't sales go up too? At the same price as the 15" it would be hot and convince any fence sitters that it's a worthy machine. A price drop? doubtful since this is Apple we're talking about, but they should then fly off the shelves if that happens.

chia_zadora
Jul 15, 2002, 09:29 PM
The whole MWNY really cheeses me off-

I work in education. Our fiscal year starts in July. Classes start at the end of August. We have a crappy budget. Every year my boss and I have to decide if we want to gamble on what is going to be released at the expo as far as the PM line goes, and if we do wait there is the risk of the computers not arriving in time for the start of fall semester. This year, because of the good promotions and all the rumormongering about no new PMacs until August we stuck with buying machines that aren't all that much faster than what we bought last year.

The point of my rant? Hold the freakin' expo in May or June so education institutions have time to budget and order newer machines!!!!

Cappy
Jul 15, 2002, 10:54 PM
Originally posted by SPG
Without a big price jump the 17" imac would be lot more desirable than a 15" imac so why wouldn't sales go up too? At the same price as the 15" it would be hot and convince any fence sitters that it's a worthy machine. A price drop? doubtful since this is Apple we're talking about, but they should then fly off the shelves if that happens.

Unless they figured out how to cost reduce the current iMac system, I don't see them releasing a 17" model for the same price as the 15" is currently. There's been too big of a shortage and prices are not cheap for those lcd's. I'm not saying it's impossible but that it's not likely.

Cappy
Jul 15, 2002, 10:57 PM
Originally posted by chia_zadora
The whole MWNY really cheeses me off-

I work in education. Our fiscal year starts in July. Classes start at the end of August. We have a crappy budget. Every year my boss and I have to decide if we want to gamble on what is going to be released at the expo as far as the PM line goes, and if we do wait there is the risk of the computers not arriving in time for the start of fall semester. This year, because of the good promotions and all the rumormongering about no new PMacs until August we stuck with buying machines that aren't all that much faster than what we bought last year.

The point of my rant? Hold the freakin' expo in May or June so education institutions have time to budget and order newer machines!!!!

I can understand your pain having supported Macs in a campus environment. Look at the bright side though that you get to use proven technology where most bugs or qwirks have been worked out already if you keep up on things online. Having the latest is not always the best thing from a support standpoint if you're on a crappy budget(for enough support people) like we were as well.

DannyZR2
Jul 16, 2002, 12:02 AM
about all it's gonna take to make me buy a new g4 imac is a video card upgrade and faster bus, 133 if not ddr. (most likely 133)

need an ati 8500 or gf4mx with upgrade for ti.. but i doubt it'll happen unfortunately.. that's the thing with the "consumer" line... it's just never good enough all around, and you can't UPGRADE it!!!! grr....

:(

I don't want to have to buy a PM, but it sucks to not be able to upgrade graphics cards in the thing...

even the CUBE can be upgraded more than the iMacs.. old or new..

you can get 1ghz and GF3's in those puppies! and those are supposedly "unupgradeable".. hah!

now all i'd need for a cube is a slot loading DVD-R "A05?"

drastik
Jul 16, 2002, 10:32 AM
Wow, I go off for a couple of days and everybody gets really bent out of shape. Relax, and think positive. All of this talk of negative looking signs can be interpreted as positive signs as well. Personaly, I don't know what to think about the expo. What I do think, is that Apple is in a media freeze out, as a result of Time Canada and Jobs' control issues. I think thqat several media sources are lashing out in response to that, among them some very loyal rumor sites. I think that Microsoft is trying to put pressure to overshadow the expo, which may be a result of something good comming, I promise the M$ intelligence is about fifty steps ahead of us.

I do get the felling something is happening, and I think taht some poeple are speaking, at length, before they think and look at the facts. I could be totaly wrong though, I don't know, and that's exactly what apple wants.

moJoMR
Jul 16, 2002, 10:33 AM
Originally posted by chia_zadora
The whole MWNY really cheeses me off-

I work in education. Our fiscal year starts in July. Classes start at the end of August. We have a crappy budget. Every year my boss and I have to decide if we want to gamble on what is going to be released at the expo as far as the PM line goes, and if we do wait there is the risk of the computers not arriving in time for the start of fall semester. This year, because of the good promotions and all the rumormongering about no new PMacs until August we stuck with buying machines that aren't all that much faster than what we bought last year.

The point of my rant? Hold the freakin' expo in May or June so education institutions have time to budget and order newer machines!!!!

If they're not much better why buy them? What's wrong with the ones you have now? At my school we're still stuck using Apple IIe's in one lab and brand spankin new Dell's that are even less reliable than the IIe's!

Falleron
Jul 16, 2002, 12:12 PM
I'm back, been on holiday without a computer for 3 weeks!! Sounds a low key event to me!

wilhelmd
Jul 16, 2002, 12:17 PM
Steve may introduce some new features to Jaugar ... or demo the alredy-existing features! I have seen screenshots, and I have read reviews, but I have never actually seen Jaguar in action.

For example, I would love to se Rendezvous (was that correctly spelled?) in action, along with iChat. And Sherlock, with Yellow Pages and the map-function.

The other iApps may also recieve a big update... Or what about an "Internet Connection Sharing"-thingy for MacOS X? Or the AirPort Software Base Station? Or apps like iCast (iBroadcast?) for both audio and video? Or what about IPv6?

But I don't think there will be a G5 xServe ... I think the xServe is to young for an upgrade ... yet.

Just my pensieve...

ultranoia
Jul 16, 2002, 06:11 PM
Originally posted by Cappy
I just can't help but wonder if the rumors from many months ago of Apple looking into developing a tablet style computer that could go on a bracket of sorts to double as a desktop are this rumored new iMac. It would make more sense in fitting into Apple's lineup. Unless Apple has good market research to support their decision I just don't see how a 17" lcd iMac would be a good seller unless the price drops dramatically. Somehow I just don't see that happening.

Interesting. A tablet-style computer, without a keyboard, in the same dimensions as one side of the ibook clamshell... Using Jaguar's Ink feature and a Wacom-style stylus, users could write, draw and navigate directly on the lcd screen. Call it the iTablet or the iFrame or iSlate, or something.

Macinfriend
Jul 16, 2002, 06:14 PM
I predict that we are going to see a lots of really cool Apple products at this years MWNY,....call me CRAZY, but thats my call.:D

cc bcc
Jul 16, 2002, 06:15 PM
I still hope for new PowerMacs.

Maybe the display-powermac promo is just for the displays. It's about time for some models to have a new design. That might mean that they are clearing out all the displays and introduce new powermacs wednesday and new displays mid august. :)