No Apple Tablet Introduction at September Keynote Event?

[MacRumors]

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The Loop reports (http://www.loopinsight.com/2009/08/13/sources-confirm-no-apple-tablet-at-sept-event-coming-in-2010/) that "very reliable sources" are claiming that Apple's much-anticipated tablet computer will not be introduced at Apple's keynote event reportedly scheduled (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/13/apple-keynote-event-scheduled-for-early-september/) for the week of September 7th. While some reports (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/07/27/apple-tablet-launch-to-coincide-with-itunes-digital-album-enhancements-in-september/) had claimed that the tablet could see an introduction as early as September alongside music-themed announcements, The Loop's sources agree with other (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/07/24/apple-tablet-to-launch-in-early-2010-using-chip-platform-from-p-a-semi/) reports (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/07/new-analyst-mockup-and-sales-estimates-for-apples-tablet/) pointing to an early 2010 launch for the new device.Very reliable sources familiar with the product have said speculation of the tablet being introduced during the September event are flat out wrong. The Apple tablet, they said, would not see the light of day until the first part of 2010.

The event in September will be focused on music, which means we could see new iPods and perhaps some updates to iTunes. The tablet computer will not even be mentioned as part of the event, my sources said.

Article Link: No Apple Tablet Introduction at September Keynote Event? (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/13/no-apple-tablet-introduction-at-september-keynote-event/)

[Vulcan]

Stupid. If it comes in 2010, they'll be missing the holiday season.

[thegoldenmackid]

Anyone say, normal iPod Touch.

[celticpride678]

Interesting move. But nothing is official yet.

I think that Apple still should focus on iPods and iTunes in September. What about October for Macs? Could happen then.

[Tallest Skil]

Seeing as September would be the iPod event, I can't see why anyone would have thought "MacTablet"...

[slu]

Stupid. If it comes in 2010, they'll be missing the holiday season.

If it is not ready, it is not ready. And at the price point of this device, it doesn't really scream "Gift" like an iPod does.

I would rather have it as bug free as possible rather than rushing it out to be available for the holidays. That being said, I can't imagine buying one, unless it is vastly different then it is rumored to be.

[andrew0122]

September is always about new iPods and a new version of iTunes. I honestly don't think we will see a tablet before January. Which really sucks because I know it would make for a wonderful Christmas present for me. . . :D

[jav6454]

September is a music only event. Just like last year. October was for notebooks and September music only.

Its best to leave the tablet cooking a bit more if we want something good.

[griz]

Stupid. If it comes in 2010, they'll be missing the holiday season.

Um, Christmas will just be moved to February.

[Simgar988]

HAHAHA SUCKERS! ITS NEVER COMING OUT!

There's a Apple Tablet alright, and its already been made... but Jobs scrapped it and decided there was only gonna be one.

It's on Steve's night stand, and no one will ever get one

[i.mac]

Makes sense...

1. Have folks buy your stuff during the holidays
2. Have folks buy your new stuff after the holidays
3. Have two good quaters...

Genius... Apple style.

[griz]

Anyone say, normal iPod Touch.

I just want a touch with camera and video capability. I'll be trading up in a second.

[Surely]

If it is not ready, it is not ready. And at the price point of this device, it doesn't really scream "Gift" like an iPod does.

I would rather have it as bug free as possible rather than rushing it out to be available for the holidays. That being said, I can't imagine buying one, unless it is vastly different then it is rumored to be.

Agreed. Based on Apple's track record, it should come as no surprise that this would be an iPod event. iPods make great holiday gifts......

Based on the rumors, I don't see myself getting a tablet either. For me to get one, there would either have to be a really compelling feature/function that would be of use to me, or I would have to feel like getting a new toy. At this point in time, all a tablet would be to me would be a shiny new toy- nothing that I would actually need.

[andrew0122]

Anyone say, normal iPod Touch.

That is EXACTLY why they would wait mid product cycle of the iPod I know that they are geared for different needs, but at the same time release the tablet with a refresh of the iPod Touch and I think that people would rater have the Tablet and Apple would lose revenue on the Touch and all of the Apps people would potentially buy. (That is unless the Mac Tablet runs modified Apps. . .)

http://gizmodo.com/5336393/could-this-really-be-the-apple-tablet-os

[Burnsey]

I don't understand what all the hype over this tablet is, tablets are not too popular.

[applealex]

in early 2010 with the launch of iLife and iWork 10

then we shall see the tablet

[crees!]

Interesting move. But nothing is official yet.

I think that Apple still should focus on iPods and iTunes in September. What about October for Macs? Could happen then.


My money is placed on somewhere in the vicinity of CES where they'll try to steal the spotlight again just like with the iPhone debut.

[GeekLawyer]

I don't understand what all the hype over this tablet is, tablets are not too popular.

...yet. People assume when Apple makes one, they then will be.

[Tallest Skil]

in early 2010 with the launch of iLife and iWork 10

then we shall see the tablet

Why? What correlation exists there? The MacTablet wouldn't have the muscle to do heavy stuff in iMovie, and we don't even know if it will run standard OS X at all.

[Rot'nApple]

I don't understand what all the hype over this tablet is, tablets are not too popular.

Neither was web browsing on your smartphone or having an app for that, that is, until a company looked at what was available and what was missing and produced the "missing link" product that made the people say ooooohhh, aaawwwww and the competitors say, we have to put out something just like that! :D:apple:

[Hugh]

You know this still might a pipe dream, that people want this Apple Tablet. How long as this rumor been going on? Now I am not saying I know, I just don't think there is an Apple Tablet. :/

I mean, what would you use it for?

Hugh

[Donz0r]

I don't understand what all the hype over this tablet is, tablets are not too popular.

Neither were MP3 players.

This device is supposed to be revolutionary ala iPhone/iPod, the fact that tablets aren't popular is exactly why this one will be such a hit - it will really bring the tech/ui necessary to create a new genre of mobile computing

[rensy]

For the sake of all that is holy Apple, update the Apple TV!! Never seen so much potential left to stagnate.

[Tallest Skil]

How long as this rumor been going on?

Since the death of the Newton. There has been a resurgence since the iPhone launch.

I mean, what would you use it for?

If you don't understand what it's for, why bother even commenting about it? ;)

[Shake-N-Bake]

I think the key is USB3. If they can't get USB3 in the tablet before the holidays then I bet they wait for USB3. Does anyone have any info on the USB3 timetable?

[Full of Win]

If Apple does not release the rumored tablet at the rumored September event; rumor has it that riots, called the Rumor Riots of '09. will reportedly follow.

[iOrlando]

Stupid. If it comes in 2010, they'll be missing the holiday season.

last time i checked there is a holiday season each year.

[iMacmatician]

Seeing as September would be the iPod event, I can't see why anyone would have thought "MacTablet"...Maybe because it's not a "Mac."

Why? What correlation exists there? The MacTablet wouldn't have the muscle to do heavy stuff in iMovie, and we don't even know if it will run standard OS X at all.iLife '10 and iWork '10 might have regular and "lite" (iPhone OS) versions.

[Doctor Q]

Maybe the tablet will come out in time for Valentine's Day instead. That means Santa won't bring me one but maybe my wife will give one to me instead. :)

Of course, I'd have to give her one too. :cool:

[JeffDM]

If it's considered a Mac, then it makes sense. They usually don't talk about Macs at iPod events, and they usually don't talk about iPods at Mac events. It might even considered a completely separate category, getting its own special event.

[Full of Win]

I think the key is USB3. If they can't get USB3 in the tablet before the holidays then I bet they wait for USB3. Does anyone have any info on the USB3 timetable?

I doubt USB 3.0 is "make or break".

[RMo]

I think the key is USB3. If they can't get USB3 in the tablet before the holidays then I bet they wait for USB3. Does anyone have any info on the USB3 timetable?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usb_3#USB_3.0

Devices are expected "in 2010," but sufficient production volume isn't expected until Q1 2010. While Apple has sometimes pushed limits, I don't know if I'd expect this to be one of them (i.e., I think they'll wait for production and popularity to ramp up a bit ... maybe by the end of next year?).

[Tallest Skil]

I think the key is USB3. If they can't get USB3 in the tablet before the holidays then I bet they wait for USB3. Does anyone have any info on the USB3 timetable?

1. Why did you make your name so close to someone established here?
2. USB 3 won't be out until summer 2010, for crying out loud. The MacTablet probably won't have anything but a MagSafe port.

[NT1440]

Seeing as September would be the iPod event, I can't see why anyone would have thought "MacTablet"...

Ah but does logic hold any ground here at MR? We all know there will be yet another flood of "No tablet, this event is the worst thing in human history" posts as usual after the 7th.:rolleyes:

[aurichie]

The tablet will be out by the end of the year. But it was never going to be unveiled at an iPod music event.

[halhiker]

I really don't care about the "MacTablet". All I want to know about the event is will Steve be there and how will he look? I don't need another 20% stock drop.

[Bjohnson33]

September is a music only event. Just like last year. October was for notebooks and September music only.

Its best to leave the tablet cooking a bit more if we want something good.

I agree - Apple seems to have a pattern with these events. Of course, no one can reliably predict what Apple will ever do, but I wouldn't be surprised if they keep the September event for music-only announcements.

[thegoldenmackid]

The tablet will be out by the end of the year. But it was never going to be unveiled at an iPod music event.

The only warrant for this is for the holiday season. But, that seems like a lot of releases in a short amount of time.

[rdowns]

While I think the rumored tablet will be positioned in the iPod/iPhone family (no OS X), this will be a music event. Updated iPods, iTunes 9, new file format with digital goodies and The Beatles finally on iTunes. Their remastered stuff is due out in the next few weeks.

[mrgreen4242]

I just want a touch with camera and video capability. I'll be trading up in a second.

Hm, need camera (video would be good, but I'd settle for the 2mp still cam in the iPhone 3G), GPS, 3GS CPU/GPU upgrades, oleophobic screen. Magnometer would be a bonus like video. If they can get me all that with 16gb base model at $249 I'll be all over it. If it's more than that, I'll wait for refurb and/or price drops.

[GimmeSlack12]

Stupid. If it comes in 2010, they'll be missing the holiday season.

There is a Holiday season in 2010 you know :)
I still like to think that the Tablet rumors are just a ploy by Apple to snuff out who is leaking information.

[redshovel]

Still to this day after reading many many threads I have not figured out the 'market' for this Apple Tablet if it ever arrives.:confused:
Who is going to buy it and why?:confused:

[corywoolf]

Good... I would have questioned Apple's intelligence if they released a tablet in this economy. The average Joe doesn't benefit from being able to draw on a screen and do multi-touch gestures that can already be done on the trackpad. It's just a fanboys dream and not something that would sell well at this point. What is the big advantage of a giant iPod Touch? How would you type on the thing? A giant touch keyboard is impractical and would have poor usability. Since this could not be typed on while being held, it would have to lay flat or propped up on a desk and would be less ergonomic then the current MacBook Pro keyboard. Apple would be better off with a $500 (3G subsidized) netbook then a tablet in this economy. Neither of which I would expect to see actually get released anytime soon.

Still to this day after reading many many threads I have not figured out the 'market' for this Apple Tablet if it ever arrives.:confused:
Who is going to buy it and why?:confused:

Thank god I'm not the only one who believes this.

[ortuno2k]

I really don't care about the "MacTablet". All I want to know about the event is will Steve be there and how will he look? I don't need another 20% stock drop.

Another stock drop would be GREAT for you to add more to your position, and for more people to get in...and eventually drive the price back up :)

[jouster]

Stupid. If it comes in 2010, they'll be missing the holiday season.

They can't make it ready if it ain't ready. Rushing it to market would be a lot more stupid, no?

[billystlyes]

These rumors keep getting dumber and dumber. They are barely newsworthy to say the least.

[olternaut]

OMG NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :(

Please......September?

[3dwarehouse]

I would love a itablet what ever you call it but come on people its not life and death. People will not die of heart attacks because apple didn't release a tablet.:apple::apple::apple::apple::apple:):):)

[WannaGoMac]

Apple already released its tablet, it's called the iPhone/ipod Touch.

Tablet is a niche (stupid) product for the 10 vocal people that like them

[haunebu]

Because it doesn't exist. Let it go, people. Sheesh.

This ancient rumor has turned into its own monster and has become self-perpetuating.

[fluidedge]

so have we got to put up with another 6 months of crap "rumors" being posted on the front page?

Who gives a flying fruitcake about a tablet PC. Gimmick.

[SeeLos]

Still to this day after reading many many threads I have not figured out the 'market' for this Apple Tablet if it ever arrives.:confused:
Who is going to buy it and why?:confused:

I have no idea what they will produce, but what I think would have the largest market is something 10" that you can use a stylus with. in my opinion, this would be great for students because the professor no longer has to speak to the backs of student's laptops. Not to mention more privacy for the people sitting behind and beside you. This would also work great for artists (like the wacom tablet screen) and many professional fields i am sure. I've spoken with a psychologist who thought such a device would be great in their and the medical field. Finally, it's be great for all the apple fans out their who will buy anything steve jobs puts his stamp of approval upon.

edit: just to be clear, I mean macbook air specs, and an aluminum shell constructed in their new factories. and yes, i'm probably dreaming, but i'll go so far to say they'll start at 15 hundred dollars. look at the price of the 32 gb iphone- it's 7 hundred. why make a tablet mac and have it cost the same? apple won't make a tablet for less than 12 hundred- no ****ing way. and i'm glad, this giant iphone business is foolishness. This product will be much closer to a computer than a telephone.

[corywoolf]

Apple already released its tablet, it's called the iPhone/ipod Touch.

Tablet is a niche (stupid) product for the 10 vocal people that like them

Not sure I would go as far as saying it's a "stupid" product. It's just not the time to release that kind of extravagant device.

There's no doubt that Apple can find a way to market a tablet to the masses, but it will need a killer feature that is truly useful. It will also need to be priced high enough to recover R&D costs and still make a fat profit while selling millions of the device. The current economic conditions aren't favorable, therefore Apple will wait until the time is right and the technology gets cheaper to produce.

[MarcelV]

I really don't care about the "MacTablet".... I don't need another 20% stock drop.

Stock is already adjusted for Steve not being the main person anymore (Not saying complete absense). Apple has proved themselves during his absense. It fell when the 'Steve is ill' comments started, but went up during his absense steadily. Larger stockholders have become very comfortable with current management team and Steve more participating in the background.

But analysts also have influenced the tablet expectations dramatically.

So you better hope there will be a tablet... The 20 percent drop will be real if not, and you will have to wait till the Q1 2010 results (Apple's fiscal calendar) for it to be corrected.

[Millah]

If Apple announces any kind of Tablet this year, it would probably be in October and not at Septembers music event. I wish they would just announce this thing already or just say it doesn't exist :p

[Donz0r]

Not sure I would go as far as saying it's a "stupid" product. It's just not the time to release that kind of extravagant device.

There's no doubt that Apple can find a way to market a tablet to the masses, but it will need a killer feature that is truly useful. It will also need to be priced high enough to recover R&D costs and still make a fat profit while selling millions of the device. The current economic conditions aren't favorable, therefore Apple will wait until the time is right and the technology gets cheaper to produce.

The fact is that all the tablets (fail) out there are running an OS designed for a keyboard and mouse. Apple's tablet will succeed because of its OS optimized for two handed multitouch.

[macbook123]

Could it be that Apple is waiting until we recover from the recession, as in the current climate nobody can afford a fancy $700 remote control?

[Tallest Skil]

Could it be that Apple is waiting until we recover from the recession, as in the current climate nobody can afford a fancy $700 remote control?

Record profits every quarter say otherwise.

[Shake-N-Bake]

I doubt USB 3.0 is "make or break".

I think this is make or break because if this is used as a peripheral I could see it requiring a lot of "bandwidth".. it could allow a high resolution webcam, too.

[fluidedge]

The fact is that all the tablets (fail) out there are running an OS designed for a keyboard and mouse. Apple's tablet will succeed because of its OS optimized for two handed multitouch.

What OS is this please?

[slu]

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If a tablet is to be announced, I'd go with 2010 as well. They used to make big annoucements at Macworld, which is early in the year. I expect them to do something on thier own around the same time.

[iMacmatician]

What OS is this please?iPhone OS.

[Shake-N-Bake]

1. Why did you make your name so close to someone established here?
2. USB 3 won't be out until summer 2010, for crying out loud. The MacTablet probably won't have anything but a MagSafe port.

Wow.. I honestly forgot I originally saw that name here before I bit it. Think of it as a homage or "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery". Now I feel like a tool.

[applealex]

if the tablet is an oversized iPod touch, wouldn't it break like an iPod touch?

that's what I love about laptops and netbooks they have a durable casing so they can be resistant to falls unlike a one inch thick touchscreen

btw are all the members of the beatles still alive?, could they possibly maybe be this years live music performance?. or atleast have one member come and talk about the band?

and what's been stopping the beatles from hitting iTunes so long?, what makes everyone think that problem will go away with the new album?

[slu]

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Could it be that Apple is waiting until we recover from the recession, as in the current climate nobody can afford a fancy $700 remote control?

Record profits every quarter say otherwise.

Record profits have nothing to do with waiting for better market conditions to release a product.

I am not saying the economy is why the tablet isn't going to be released this year, but to imply record profits mean that Apple doesn't have to consider the market when they release a product is just silly

[polaris20]

Seeing as September would be the iPod event, I can't see why anyone would have thought "MacTablet"...

Probably because it'll be just a giant iPod Touch, with an extension of the iPhone OS. So what better time to release it than with the iPod touch revisions?

[polaris20]

btw are all the members of the beatles still alive?, could they possibly maybe be this years live music performance?. or atleast have one member come and talk about the band?

and what's been stopping the beatles from hitting iTunes so long?, what makes everyone think that problem will go away with the new album?

No, only McCartney and Starr are still alive.

[rdowns]

btw are all the members of the beatles still alive?, could they possibly maybe be this years live music performance?. or atleast have one member come and talk about the band?



speechless

[sam10685]

There goes my Mr. Happy.

[Teddy's]

Why bother?

The endless rants about Rev A products
The endless fights about PCtablets and MacTablets
The post about Palm Folio revisited that will generate most comments about comparing Obama and Bush Devil and it will get closed by mods
The rants of frustrated MacTablet app devs that get rejection for secretly allowing porn/filesharing

Wow, that's a lot of traffic!

[phillipduran]

I don't understand what all the hype over this tablet is, tablets are not too popular.

Neither were MP3 players . . . until Apple made one.

[Shiner]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usb_3#USB_3.0

Devices are expected "in 2010," but sufficient production volume isn't expected until Q1 2010. While Apple has sometimes pushed limits, I don't know if I'd expect this to be one of them (i.e., I think they'll wait for production and popularity to ramp up a bit ... maybe by the end of next year?).

Apple has never pushed the limits when it comes to hardware. They push the limits in terms of form not hardware. If we look at apple's current upgrade policy we will see USB3 about two years after the PC counterparts have it.

[*LTD*]

so have we got to put up with another 6 months of crap "rumors" being posted on the front page?

Who gives a flying fruitcake about a tablet PC. Gimmick.

Well I understand your frustration with rumors.

But this "tablet PC" from Apple will not just be any tablet PC. Apple has a habit of redefining markets and creating new ones - almost overnight.

A tablet from Apple has a good chance of being a another game-changer. Apple has a habit of popularizing and completely redefining products that weren't really going anywhere in the past.

This is Apple, after all, not one of the also-ran box makers.

[keynoted]

Maybe the "tablet" isn't the big news. Maybe those 10" screens are for something completely different. Something that people actually want. Something between the atoms and the c2ds. Something for 499. Something called the MacBook mini (http://drop.io/hidden/lpltiuyp0b9sxv/asset/bWFjYm9vay1taW5pLWdpZg==).

[Donz0r]

Well I understand your frustration with rumors.

But this "tablet PC" from Apple will not just be any tablet PC. Apple has a habit of redefining markets and creating new ones - almost overnight.

A tablet from Apple has a good chance of being a another game-changer. Apple has a habit of popularizing and completely redefining products that weren't really going anywhere in the past.

This is Apple, after all, not one of the also-ran box makers.


YES! come on people, how blind are you all! How could you compare whatever apple has up their sleeve to some windows xp laptop with a pivoting display and stylus.

They will merge the hardware and software together into a package that will redefine mobile computing

[GQB]

I really don't care about the "MacTablet". All I want to know about the event is will Steve be there and how will he look? I don't need another 20% stock drop.

20% drop = buying opportunity. :D

[iSneaker]

Sources, sources, sources.. Pff.. I don't believe any of these rumors because every time things are different.. Like the sources change their minds every minute..

[Bubba Satori]

Apple has never pushed the limits when it comes to hardware. They push the limits in terms of form not hardware. If we look at apple's current upgrade policy we will see USB3 about two years after the PC counterparts have it.

Yep.

[Tallest Skil]

Maybe the "tablet" isn't the big news. Maybe those 10" screens are for something completely different. Something that people actually want. Something between the atoms and the c2ds. Something for 499. Something called the MacBook mini (http://drop.io/hidden/lpltiuyp0b9sxv/asset/bWFjYm9vay1taW5pLWdpZg==).

Who are you to tell me what I want? I don't want some worthless cramped physical keyboard on justanothernetbook.

[AidenShaw]

The fact is that all the tablets (fail) out there are running an OS designed for a keyboard and mouse. Apple's tablet will succeed because of its OS optimized for two handed multitouch.

You're confusing the UI with the OS supporting it.

The tablet could *act* like the phone OS, but have real x64 OSX underneath - after all, the Iphone OS is based on OSX.

Imagine giving the "phone UI" the three-fingered salute and tossing it to the side, revealing the OSX desktop underneath.

Best of both worlds.

[ditzy]

Noo, not another 3 months of speculation, with no one knowing any real facts, and analyst saying that it is the worst/best idea Apple have ever come up with. I can't take it anymore. (Goes into corner and has nervous breakdown.)

[xIGmanIx]

this wouldn't be an issue if apple had a little more transparency with their delivery process. Hurry up and wait serves no one any good. i am interested at the space this will be aimed at, but i don't consider myself a potential customer

[Millah]

speechless

Not me. I was too busy bursting out with laughter. What a priceless quote.

[Porco]

Rather than a 'tablet' I think Apple should call it a 'pill'. It could be red or blue, possibly the same machine depending on whether it's connected to the matri-, um, er, internet at the time.

I love rumours about what Apple won't do... kind of easy to make those up with a quick 'well they changed their mind at the last minute' if they do what you said they wouldn't.

[crackbookpro]

Because it doesn't exist. Let it go, people. Sheesh.

This ancient rumor has turned into its own monster and has become self-perpetuating.

so true...

[albusseverus]

My money is placed on somewhere in the vicinity of CES where they'll try to steal the spotlight again just like with the iPhone debut.

Or maybe Steve will be introducing the tablet at CES, when he does the keynote. Can't you see the pieces falling together?


The tablet was to be introduced at the September event
Then analysts were leaked that it was delayed 'till next year
Then we find out Steve has been asked to speak at CES


Did anybody really believe that Apple pulled out of Macworld because trade shows were irrelevant these days? (You don't need FireWire on a MacBook… or maybe you do.) Ditto for trade shows… er, maybe we do…

The tablet won't even be promoted as a computer. It will be a media player, book reader thing, with internet. Apple isn't a computer company anymore and the move to CES was inevitable after that little change.

I don't think the ad filmed at the truck stop was for the tablet. That was just a new iPod ad. But I'm sure the tablet is ready to go now. Whether Apple releases it in September or at CES will tell us how much they value trade shows, because as others have pointed out - holiday sales for the tablet would be huge.

And yes, there's still room for a netbook with a touch screen and a real keyboard, as long is it's the footprint of the wireless keyboard and fits in my back pocket.

[corywoolf]

btw are all the members of the beatles still alive?, could they possibly maybe be this years live music performance?. or atleast have one member come and talk about the band?

Yes, Kevin, Joe, and Nick are still alive and have been working on a comeback album for awhile now.

[AlexisV]

Originally Posted by Shiner
Apple has never pushed the limits when it comes to hardware. They push the limits in terms of form not hardware. If we look at apple's current upgrade policy we will see USB3 about two years after the PC counterparts have it.

By that reasoning we should just be seeing 1.8Ghz Core 2 Duos being put into Macs!

USB 3 is just an architecture feature of motherboards, like memory speed and bus speed. Form doesn't come into it.

[rdowns]

Yes, Kevin, Joe, and Nick are still alive and have been working on a comeback album for awhile now.



I had to Google Kevin, Joe and Nick to find out who the eff they are. :D

[happydude]

For the sake of all that is holy Apple, update the Apple TV!! Never seen so much potential left to stagnate.

+1,000,000

i can't believe how such a device with such amazing potential has been so ignored. it could actually be the digital media hub apple has always talked about if they would just pay attention to it. common, apple!

[I WAS the one]

Why? What correlation exists there? The MacTablet wouldn't have the muscle to do heavy stuff in iMovie, and we don't even know if it will run standard OS X at all.

hello? The iPhone 3Gs proved that movie can be edited and uploaded to the internet in secs... I don't see why a iMovie lite version canæt be made for a tablet.:cool:

[iphones4evry1]

I don't think anyone was expecting the Tablet on Sept. 7.
The rumors I heard said "just before Christmas." :)

I think they are going to use this event to revamp the iPod Touch and perhaps other iPods.
And probably release the new iTunes.

[corywoolf]

I had to Google Kevin, Joe and Nick to find out who the eff they are. :D

I had to wikipedia "The Jonas Brothers" to find their first names. Seems like yesterday when Hanson was the popular boy band.

[ag55]

snow leopard, new imacs, new ipods, itunes 9 and a tablet -- seems a bit too much

[Tallest Skil]

snow leopard, new imacs, new ipods, itunes 9 and a tablet -- seems a bit too much

Comic Sans is an aberration against humanity.

Snow Leopard on the 25, not at the iPod event. Tablet in October/2010, not at the iPod event.

That makes more sense, eh?

[albusseverus]

I had to wikipedia "The Jonas Brothers" to find their first names. Seems like yesterday when Hanson was the popular boy band.

It's gonna have to be, because Microsoft owns The Beatles and all their descendants. Now who's feeling bad?

[MacFly123]

Why? What correlation exists there? The MacTablet wouldn't have the muscle to do heavy stuff in iMovie, and we don't even know if it will run standard OS X at all.

in early 2010 with the launch of iLife and iWork 10

then we shall see the tablet

It will NOT run OS X. I am not even going explain the numerous reasons why again because I am so sick of explaining it to people in these forums! :rolleyes: It will run a revised version of the iPhone OS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUOwowuibrk&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLu9OLEuPys&feature=player_embedded

I agree about iLife and iWork, and it makes perfect sense because when they announce the Tablet they will also announce iLife '10 Mobile & iWork '10 Mobile! :D They will not be quite as robust as the Mac OS X versions, but they will be very cool! :)

For the sake of all that is holy Apple, update the Apple TV!! Never seen so much potential left to stagnate.

+1,000,000

i can't believe how such a device with such amazing potential has been so ignored. it could actually be the digital media hub apple has always talked about if they would just pay attention to it. common, apple!

+1,000,001. I have been hoping for a good update for quite some time since they said they would continue to invest in it. The only thing we have gotten was the new remote, which I love, but there could be so much more.

All they need to do is refresh the hardware and release an SDK with the App Store on Apple TV and it would be a HUGE success, especially with the Tablet in the mix! COME ON APPLE!!!

[Tallest Skil]

It will NOT run OS X. I am not even going explain the numerous reasons why again because I am so sick of explaining it to people in these forums!

Prove it.

[DUSTmurph]

dammit apple, just release the damn thing just to shut up these damn rumors!!

[yg17]

btw are all the members of the beatles still alive?, could they possibly maybe be this years live music performance?. or atleast have one member come and talk about the band?

John, George and Ringo are alive. Paul is dead.

Not really, go Wikipedia it.

[MacFly123]

Prove it.

WOW. Do people in here have absolutely zero logic?

-Apple bought P.A. Semi to make chips for iPhone, iPod Touch, and the Tablet.
-The Tablet will use an ARM chip, NOT Intel.
-Snow Leopard is Intel only.
-iPhone OS is ARM only.
-OS X's GUI is NOT made for on screen Multi-Touch.
-iPhone OS is specifically made for onscreen Multi-Touch.
-The Tablet will definitely have the App Store.

Do I need to go on? And this AGAIN after I said I wouldn't explain it. USE YOUR HEADS PEOPLE! :rolleyes:

[Tallest Skil]

WOW. Do people in here have absolutely zero logic?

-Apple bought P.A. Semi to make chips for iPhone, iPod Touch, and the Tablet.
-The Tablet will use an ARM chip, NOT Intel.
-Snow Leopard is Intel only.
-iPhone OS is ARM only.
-OS X's GUI is NOT made for on screen Multi-Touch.
-iPhone OS is specifically made for onscreen Multi-Touch.
-The Tablet will definitely have the App Store.

Do I need to go on? And this AGAIN after I said I wouldn't explain it. USE YOUR HEADS PEOPLE! :rolleyes:

So you can't prove it. You're me, but more forceful. Luckily, I won't berate you for months if you're wrong.;)

[xIGmanIx]

hello? The iPhone 3Gs proved that movie can be edited and uploaded to the internet in secs... I don't see why a iMovie lite version canæt be made for a tablet.:cool:

it is not video editing, it is video trimming, big difference. i wouldn't use what apple has done in the mobile space as the poster child for championing a tablet. They got some stuff right, but they also got some stuff very wrong

[SactoGuy18]

While Apple may not show the much-rumored tablet machine at the September iPod event, there is a chance that Apple may show it at the October event for the next-generation MacBooks and MacBook Pros.

[Hugh]

Good... I would have questioned Apple's intelligence if they released a tablet in this economy. The average Joe doesn't benefit from being able to draw on a screen and do multi-touch gestures that can already be done on the trackpad. It's just a fanboys dream and not something that would sell well at this point. What is the big advantage of a giant iPod Touch? How would you type on the thing? A giant touch keyboard is impractical and would have poor usability. Since this could not be typed on while being held, it would have to lay flat or propped up on a desk and would be less ergonomic then the current MacBook Pro keyboard. Apple would be better off with a $500 (3G subsidized) netbook then a tablet in this economy. Neither of which I would expect to see actually get released anytime soon.



Thank god I'm not the only one who believes this.

No, you are not the only one. I can't see it either, I mean there's the iTouch and the iPhone.

What is it going to be used for; Taking notes? Typing on the thing would be b&tch, a netbook would be be more easier and cost less. Looking at eBooks? We got the iTouch/iPhone for the. Doing your 'To Do Lists'? A netbook would be better served here too. Internet apps? Maybe I can see this a little. The size of the unit (10'') would be easier to see the the iTouch/iPhone and a Netbook. But the price? $600-900 for that?

Hugh


PS Why does spell checker knows what an iPhone is but not a iTouch? LOL :confused:

[Tallest Skil]

PS Why does spell checker knows what an iPhone is but not a iTouch? LOL :confused:

Because it's called the iPod touch. No Apple product by the name "iTouch" exists.

[spillproof]

They're not even going to throw us a hint or two! Oh wait, its Apple. Good thing I like surprises!

[RiverFox]

Wow.. I honestly forgot I originally saw that name here before I bit it. Think of it as a homage or "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery". Now I feel like a tool.

Why would you feel like a tool. It's a name you picked. Don't let anyone else say smack to you. I've had the nickname "KnightMare" since 1980. Like I'm the only one that came up with that, oh yea.

So if I go to a site and someone already has that name, I just add a "1" to it.

Big deal... Move along, nothing to see here...

[Sehnsucht]

What OS is this please?

Windows 7. :p


-Apple bought P.A. Semi to make chips for iPhone, iPod Touch, and the Tablet.
-The Tablet will use an ARM chip, NOT Intel.
-Snow Leopard is Intel only.


Maybe they're making their own low-power x86 chip? :cool:

[EagerDragon]

I could understant saving the tablet for January MacWorld keynote, but WAIT, there is no MacWorld for 2010!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lets think about this one ..... Besides the issue of ready or not, lets assume for a moment it is ready..... Why would Apple want to delay the device and miss the Xmass holiday?

Either it is not ready, or they don't have enough stock yet, or they will will be shipping in Oct.

With no MacWorld, I do not see Apple waiting until Jan to ship unless the device is not done.

As to CES... So far we have no confirmation that Apple will be presenting anything at CES and they (Apple) are not having a CES keynote. They have not even agnoledge that they will be a CES.

Just my opinion

[huntor]

maybe theyre turning itunes into something like rhapsody.

unlimited downloads with a monthly fee.
seems like the next logical step for itunes..

i also bet steve wont be back until the MacTablet introduced.
it'd be smart for them to preview the tablet at the upcoming keynote,
like they did with the iphone.. it'll get everyone excited and it'll make a ***** load of kids save their holiday $.

[Billy Boo Bob]

John, George and Ringo are alive. Paul is dead.

Haha. Talk about a long running rumor. :cool: I'm old enough to remember when that was the "talk of the town"... Spinning records backwards for clues and all that. What a gas. :eek:

I'm kind of curious what ever happened to the whole Apple / Apple Corps thing when they "settled". I would have thought that if it was going to turn that into some exclusive Beatles release in iTunes that it would have surely happened by now.

But, back to the rumor at hand... While I agree that it would probably be pretty weak for running a full blown OS X, I would sure like to see that happen. I could think of a few cool things I could do with it. Regardless, put me in line (when I ever have the expendable income for it).

[jmcguckin]

packed with features or not, I really couldn't care less about an Apple tablet aside from maybe having some nice-looking new electronics to gawk at... it's just not something I'd find useful, regardless of cost. as for this September's iPod event, I'll be satisfied with it as long as Apple introduce a new, higher-capacity iPod touch and a new version of iTunes. beyond that, you won't find me complaining.

by the way, on a side note:
While I think the rumored tablet will be positioned in the iPod/iPhone family (no OS X), this will be a music event. Updated iPods, iTunes 9, new file format with digital goodies and The Beatles finally on iTunes. Their remastered stuff is due out in the next few weeks.

not to branch off from the OT, but being a pretty big Beatles fan, I'm curious- do you have any idea whose work these remasters will be? I've given a listen to their full studio discography via the DESS remasters and am already very impressed with the sound quality of them... just curious if these new (more official) remasters will be of superior enough quality that I'd consider purchasing them to replace my current copies.

[huntor]

It will NOT run OS X. I am not even going explain the numerous reasons why again because I am so sick of explaining it to people in these forums! :rolleyes: It will run a revised version of the iPhone OS.

I agree about iLife and iWork, and it makes perfect sense because when they announce the Tablet they will also announce iLife '10 Mobile & iWork '10 Mobile! :D They will not be quite as robust as the Mac OS X versions, but they will be very cool! :)

you know apple will say the tablet runs OS X just like they did with the iphone.
of course it wont be the full Mac OS X, just an extremely dumbed down version of it. with its own name, just like "iphone os x."

and there's no way you're telling me apple's not smart enough to easily turn their os's gui into an on-screen multi-touch. that's just ludicrous.

[bndoarn]

i was thinking this before this story was posted. why would they release a mac at an iPod/iTunes/(sometimes)AppleTV event? this also leads me to believe that the rumored tablet (if even true) will not be like a giant iPod touch as most rumors have said but more like an actual mac running the real OSX and not iPhone OS (or at least somewhere in between the two i.e. more advanced than iPhone OS but less advanced than OSX).

[techfreak85]

i think it will run a more robust iPhone os. but will run many desktop class apps, namely iWork stuff.

[Burnsey]

i think it will run a more robust iPhone os. but will run many desktop class apps, namely iWork stuff.

That would be very cool to see.

[Takuta-Nui]

I guess I got a bit caught up in the rumor storm this time, heh. It doesn't particularly impact me, and an early 2010 release really does make more fiscal sense. Let it sell through the spring and summer, and then introduce an upgrade in the fall.

I look forward to the iPod stuff, though! =)

[sjo]

Apple's much-anticipated tablet computer

it seems to be mostly anticipated by tech rumor sites in desperate need of something, anything, to fill their front page every freaking day.

just my 2c.

[corywoolf]

It's gonna have to be, because Microsoft owns The Beatles and all their descendants. Now who's feeling bad?

My head just exploded! I don't follow... so your telling me MS has a signed exclusivity contract of the entire Beatles catalog? I know the zune store has them, but not exclusively, right?

[KnightWRX]

The tablet will be a disappointment. People will buy them in droves, salivate as they open the box, hold it triumphantly and the first thing they'll use it for is to place an ad on kijiji or craigslist to sell the darn thing because at that instant, they'll realise how painful using a tablet is for more than 2 minutes and that it won't be useful to them. At all.

Seriously, just put your macbook screen completely horizontal and then browse the net for a few minutes. Then comeback here and tell us about this wonderful Apple tablet revolution.

I don't even begin to see the usefulness of this vs a full featured laptop.

[Thex1138]

There's one more thing... :p

[Thex1138]

WOW. Do people in here have absolutely zero logic?

-Apple bought P.A. Semi to make chips for iPhone, iPod Touch, and the Tablet.
-The Tablet will use an ARM chip, NOT Intel.
-Snow Leopard is Intel only.
-iPhone OS is ARM only.
-OS X's GUI is NOT made for on screen Multi-Touch.
-iPhone OS is specifically made for onscreen Multi-Touch.
-The Tablet will definitely have the App Store.

Do I need to go on? And this AGAIN after I said I wouldn't explain it. USE YOUR HEADS PEOPLE! :rolleyes:

It also seems pretty much certain that the Tablet will have a core iPhone OS since the dev kit includes pointers to iProd, iPod, iPhone, iFPGA etc,...

[chrono1081]

It also seems pretty much certain that the Tablet will have a core iPhone OS since the dev kit includes pointers to iProd, iPod, iPhone, iFPGA etc,...

:eek: What's an iProd !?

[Thex1138]

:eek: What's an iProd !?

Looky-looky see..


Article Link: New 'iProd1,1' Reference Found in iPhone OS 3.1 Beta Configuration File (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/04/new-iprod11-reference-found-in-iphone-os-3-1-beta-configuration-file/)

:rolleyes:

[arpiuk]

I agree that Apple will release a 10inch touchscreen device and all the rumours point to that. But would someone enlighten me, what will it actually do:

1) a movie playing iPod witj a big screen
2) a MacBook Air replacing device?
3) remote control pad for other Apple devices (a very expensive remote control that would be!)
4) a game pod (but then all Apps developers would have to re-write games for a 10in screen, quite a lot of work!

At 700-900 dollars, it would be an expensive gadget.

My problem is that for many of us, who have a desktop Mac, 1-2 laptops, iPhone, TimeCapsule, iTV, data is not centralised. All my data is fragmented. Adding another device which I would need to sync, well, it's just crazy.

I hope if this device gets released, comes with some sort of solution, where data is all centralised and I wouldn't have to sync all the time. I can access data from one place, with all my devices.

Yes, I know, we have iDisk, but I have to manually copy data there, as MacOS does not sync my Docs folder with iDisk.

So, what do you guys think? What will this iTablet main feature be, that would convince people to dish out 700-900 USD?

[LagunaSol]

I just don't think there is an Apple Tablet. :/

I mean, what would you use it for?

"No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame." - Rob Malda (aka CmdrTaco) of Slashdot regarding the iPod, 2001

There are plenty of people in the world with no vision. Fortunately, they aren't running Apple. ;)

[LagunaSol]

The tablet will be a disappointment. People will buy them in droves, salivate as they open the box, hold it triumphantly and the first thing they'll use it for is to place an ad on kijiji or craigslist to sell the darn thing because at that instant, they'll realise how painful using a tablet is for more than 2 minutes and that it won't be useful to them. At all.

You fail at the future.

[Target362]

Who uses craigs list? filled with a dated design, (it screams 1993) and filled with prostitutes

[Macminiintel]

I don't really know what to do lol, should i go and buy a 2.53 Ghz 13'' MacBook Pro to replace my white MacBook, or buy a 2.7Ghz Liquid Cooled G5 or even wait and see if a tablet comes out and buy that, lol its so confusing

[MacFly123]

It also seems pretty much certain that the Tablet will have a core iPhone OS since the dev kit includes pointers to iProd, iPod, iPhone, iFPGA etc,...

Yes, I forgot that one. Thanks.

Can someone tell me how to set up a poll on here? I wanna do a poll of what OS people think the Tablet will run. I think people that think it will run OS X are just desperately hopeful and a minority.

[Thex1138]

Yes, I forgot that one. Thanks.

Can someone tell me how to set up a poll on here? I wanna do a poll of what OS people think the Tablet will run. I think people that think it will run OS X are just desperately hopeful and a minority.

I posted a few days ago thinking that it would be based upon Mac OS but today I realized that if these Prods are in the iPhone Dev then they will undoubtedly be iPhonetric... Which also suggests that existing apps should either run without much tinkering or some minor code mashing.

Playing Flight Control on a 10" screen will be much easier :D

[Pooshka]

btw are all the members of the beatles still alive?, could they possibly maybe be this years live music performance?. or atleast have one member come and talk about the band?
You must be one of those people who think that Iraq is in South America. :rolleyes:

Just wow.

[xDYLANx]

Who uses craigs list? filled with a dated design, (it screams 1993) and filled with prostitutes

I bought my Mac, my blackberry(which I also sold), a bike(2 days ago). and I've sold an iPod, an Xbox, TV's, bikes, & tons of furniture. I've gotten 2 jobs because if it.

A lot of people use craigs, it doesn't matter if the web design sucks, it's functional, and free.

[jabingla2810]

I can see it now

Loads of people jizzing in their pants and countless unboxing videos cropping up anywhere.

People sit down to use it, and think, "Ive got to go on macrumours and tell everyone mine has arrived and it looks amazing!"

Wait, this touch screen is a bit of a pain to type with, ill just use my macbook.

But it will come into its own when im out on the move surely..... I just need my man bag to carry it in..... so im walking down the street holding my tablet (with both hands) trying to look at something.... and my friend calls on my iphone.

I cant just put this beautiful tablet on the floor, I need to lock it and pack it back up.... oh no ive missed the phone call already.

If only I had a device on me that I could use to surf the net AND use as an ipod and phone?! hmmmmmmm

[robogobo]

So, there's a hot rumor that the super hot rumored device will not be announced..... yet.

[robogobo]

Who uses craigs list?

Everyone but you.

[Master Chief]

You must be one of those people who think that Iraq is in South America. :rolleyes:
Ever been to Johannesburg at night? No? I tell you that some places there come pretty close to Iraq – and I know because I've been there five times (veteran speaking here).

[DCCowan]

John, George and Ringo are alive. Paul is dead.

Not really, go Wikipedia it.

Hahaha... Awesome...

I wonder if the Beatles Catalog is the deal. I seriously doubt it is... but man, I hope it is.

The remasters I've heard with "Love," for instance, has blown my mind. I can't wait. Regardless, 09-09-09 the Beatles release their entire catalog as remastered CDs (see their website)... so no matter what, I'm gonna go Beatle-mania this September. :)

[flooce]

Originally Posted by Pooshka
You must be one of those people who think that Iraq is in South America.

Ever been to Johannesburg at night? No? I tell you that some places there come pretty close to Iraq – and I know because I've been there five times (veteran speaking here).

And you guy mix up South Africa (country) with South America (continent)... :eek: I guess you should know by now, after going to Johannesburg 5 times, that it isn't in South America... Better get some "maps" to help your education "over here" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww)

[pmjoe]

Ugh. I've been waiting for an Apple Tablet for some time. BUT, I just realized that it's likely to run the iPhone OS and use Apple's app store. Which, as a developer, that means Apple's draconian application approval process.

I've just lost interest in an Apple Tablet. :mad:

[iMacmatician]

WOW. Do people in here have absolutely zero logic?

-Apple bought P.A. Semi to make chips for iPhone, iPod Touch, and the Tablet.
-The Tablet will use an ARM chip, NOT Intel.
-Snow Leopard is Intel only.
-iPhone OS is ARM only.
-OS X's GUI is NOT made for on screen Multi-Touch. It is for trackpad multi-touch—notable distinction there (this may mean Apple is limiting multi-touch to the trackpad for the forseeable future)
-iPhone OS is specifically made for onscreen Multi-Touch.
-The Tablet will definitely have the App Store.- Existing tablets have largely failed since they use a mouse-driven GUI on a touchscreen
- iPhone OS uses less resources than Mac OS X, so that means lower specced components which may mean a thinner design and/or lower prices
- iPhone OS uses less resources than Mac OS X, so that also means it may be snappier and less cramped

Do I need to go on? And this AGAIN after I said I wouldn't explain it. USE YOUR HEADS PEOPLE! :rolleyes:I felt the need to go on but I'm also hoping this is the last time I explain it (unless I missed something).

Prove it.Prove that it will run Mac OS X.

(Remember, the earliest post-iPhone rumors slated some type of iPhone OS to run the device.)

[diekehle]

Give us the damn thing! Why next year, its too late!

[macintoshtoffy]

If they start selling a 64GB iPod Touch (or bigger), I would be a very happy lad - the tablet is secondary to the need to release a bigger capacity iPod IMHO.

[Gasu E.]

last time i checked there is a holiday season each year.

Not next year, if Obama's health plan goes through, according to an e-mail I just recieved. Instead they are going to cancel Xmas and turn everyone over 75 into Soylent Green.

[dernhelm]

Get it out now folks - maybe we can reduce the expected 4000 posts from everyone mad at the non-announcements by Apple. Tell us all now how disappointed you'll all be with only refreshed iPods and the new whole Album-based stuff (whatever that turns out to be). Maybe we should have an over-under on the apple stock drop that day.

[Donz0r]

I don't really know what to do lol, should i go and buy a 2.53 Ghz 13'' MacBook Pro to replace my white MacBook, or buy a 2.7Ghz Liquid Cooled G5 or even wait and see if a tablet comes out and buy that, lol its so confusing

Well first of all- those 3 devices all serve different purposes. The tablet will be nowhere near a MBP replacement.

And Snow Leopard (along with most software going forward) does not support PowerPC, so I would say definitely not get a G5.

[dernhelm]

"No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame." - Rob Malda (aka CmdrTaco) of Slashdot regarding the iPod, 2001

There are plenty of people in the world with no vision. Fortunately, they aren't running Apple. ;)

Malda may have been wrong about the iPod, but so were a lot of other people, I was here on these very forums when more people than not were ranting about the expense, the size, the lack of FM, whatever.

Malda may have made one negative statement about the iPod, but that doesn't mean he no vision. SlashDot itself disproves that.

[KnightWRX]

You fail at the future.

Thanks for the wonderful insight. Once you're done drinking the kool-aid, maybe you'd like to enlighten us how a Tablet is the future. Because many of us just don't see it.

[Donz0r]

I think the key is USB3. If they can't get USB3 in the tablet before the holidays then I bet they wait for USB3. Does anyone have any info on the USB3 timetable?

Why the hell would this have USB3 and why would that influence their release? This is APPLE we're talking about, they'll get USB3 a year after everyone else. This thing is going to be a wireless device which will focus on wireless syncing, etc.

And with a capacity of 64gb probably, USB3 would be almost pointless.

[Tallest Skil]

Thanks for the wonderful insight. Once you're done drinking the kool-aid, maybe you'd like to enlighten us how a Tablet is the future. Because many of us just don't see it.

He only means that you're ignoring the lessons of the past when talking about the tablet. If you can't see that, go ahead and keep claiming that a tablet is useless.

Why hasn't this come up yet? (http://www.misterbg.org/AppleProductCycle/)

[coleridge78]

Apple has never pushed the limits when it comes to hardware. They push the limits in terms of form not hardware. If we look at apple's current upgrade policy we will see USB3 about two years after the PC counterparts have it.

Heh. Apple's entire history is one of pushing the limits of hardware, from Wozniak hacking a disk drive the night before the original Apple ][ demo to RISC to Firewire to adapting USB long before anyone on the PC side (and being berated for it at the time).

Because they don't offer the newest, beefiest gaming video cards in an iMac (gee, I can't imagine why) some people have this idea that they don't ever adopt new hardware. Categorically false.

That said, I don't know that they'll be early adopters with USB 3 as they were with the original USB, because all indications are that, like USB 2, 3 is a sheep in hype's clothing. Peak transfer numbers that can match up with the equivalent generation of Firewire, but sustained throughput makes it a total dog.

USB 3 will gain consumer traction, eventually--its real world performance will be just enough about USB 2 for that. But it won't be a dramatic enough gain, no matter what Intel's staged demos show, for Apple to make early adoption a big point.

[Donz0r]

I have no idea what they will produce, but what I think would have the largest market is something 10" that you can use a stylus with. in my opinion, this would be great for students because the professor no longer has to speak to the backs of student's laptops. Not to mention more privacy for the people sitting behind and beside you. This would also work great for artists (like the wacom tablet screen) and many professional fields i am sure. I've spoken with a psychologist who thought such a device would be great in their and the medical field. Finally, it's be great for all the apple fans out their who will buy anything steve jobs puts his stamp of approval upon.

edit: just to be clear, I mean macbook air specs, and an aluminum shell constructed in their new factories. and yes, i'm probably dreaming, but i'll go so far to say they'll start at 15 hundred dollars. look at the price of the 32 gb iphone- it's 7 hundred. why make a tablet mac and have it cost the same? apple won't make a tablet for less than 12 hundred- no ****ing way. and i'm glad, this giant iphone business is foolishness. This product will be much closer to a computer than a telephone.

The problem with stylus input is that it requires a resistive touchscreen - as opposed to capacitive. (I'm ignoring of course those silly fat styli that are for iPhone). Apple will not go resistive and the stylus is so not their 'style'. The stylus is a dead input device - everything is going toward multitouch in the future - even windows.

I would LOVE for this thing to be more of a computer but I think it'll be more iPhone OS than anything. iPhone OS is their touch OS, this will be a touch device. 10'' is too small to throw a touch version of leopard onto - apple won't do it.

Snow Leopard is a minor upgrade because all of their time and resources is going into OS X.7 which will be centered around multitouch. (my own prediction) They're just not ready to release a multitouch computer yet - but they're very close.

[Donz0r]

Thanks for the wonderful insight. Once you're done drinking the kool-aid, maybe you'd like to enlighten us how a Tablet is the future. Because many of us just don't see it.

Do you think that we'l be using a keyboard and mouse forever?

The most natural way to interact with a computer is by manipulating the data with your hands. Up until now we haven't had affordable tech to do this, but that's changing very quickly.

In fact - the whole way we think of computing is changing. The technology is so advanced that people are realizing that they don't need a $1500 computer to use the internet. Everything is going into the cloud soon - it's inevitable. Streaming music is taking off, internet speeds are increasing all the time, streaming video, email/im/social networking/etc., google docs, etc.

People buy netbooks because that's all that they need 90% of the time and they can take it with them 90% of the time. The problem with netbooks is that the brainchilds over at Dell and Asus don't have enough vision. They make a cheap mini laptop and throw windows xp on it. No, that's not the way it's done. The keyboard and mouse were invented for a desktop environment - they're simply not optimized for on-the-go computing. Similarly, Windows XP is not optimized to be a touch OS, which is why all Tablets are niche products right now.

All of these things together, People being more mobile (see smartphone usage) + People not needing to run photoshop or edit video and therefore don't need a powerhouse computer to take with them (95% of people 95% of the time) + Multitouch technology revolutionizing the way we interact with computers = Tablet.

It's a tablet because you can take it with you around the house or on the go and do most of what you need a computer for on it. Most people don't type long messages like this in forums - they may write a quick facebook message or email or something. And for this a virtual keyboard will suffice. Nothing beats a physical keyboard right now, but that's not going to stop technology from evolving. Having a physical keyboard on a device like this would at least double the size and complexity of the device. (see: current tablets with rotating displays, etc.)

Multi-touch is revolutionizing the way we interact with technology, and a tablet is the most logical computing device to implement it due to its portability and generally non-heavy usage.

[KnightWRX]

He only means that you're ignoring the lessons of the past when talking about the tablet. If you can't see that, go ahead and keep claiming that a tablet is useless.

Oh I can see that. Apple has had a lot of hit and misses in the past. Not every Apple "revolution" has been one. The iPod is one example. Shiny plasticy transparent cases were another. However, stuff like the Macbook Air was one too, the Newton, heck, even Apple TV in a sense.

Let's forget it's a Apple product for a moment and just think the uses of a tablet. It's not ergonomic to type on, it's not anymore probably than a 10 inch laptop would be and without a full featured OS, it would be just a big iPod Touch, which kind of defeats the portability issue.

So it's not an issue of drinking the kool-aid and going all doughy eyed on it, but what is the actual market and use for a tablet that the iPhone/iPod touch or a Macbook don't already fill ? Students taking notes ?

Do you think that we'l be using a keyboard and mouse forever?

It's a tablet because you can take it with you around the house or on the go and do most of what you need a computer for on it. Most people don't type long messages like this in forums - they may write a quick facebook message or email or something. And for this a virtual keyboard will suffice. Nothing beats a physical keyboard right now, but that's not going to stop technology from evolving. Having a physical keyboard on a device like this would at least double the size and complexity of the device. (see: current tablets with rotating displays, etc.)

Multi-touch is revolutionizing the way we interact with technology, and a tablet is the most logical computing device to implement it due to its portability and generally non-heavy usage.

Wait, keyboards are dead, long live virtual keyboards ? Because somehow replicating a keyboard virtually on a screen that is touch capable makes for ... a... better... input device ? Put down the pills son, screen realestate is already a rare commodity, I don't need a keyboard taking up half of it.

Around the house, I use a laptop. Haven't had a desktop computer in about 3 years. All your ranting about super-portability doesn't change one fact : Typing on a laptop while reading the screen is comfortable. The screen is propped up, the keyboard is laying flat. Holding a tablet like a clipboard in one hand and type on it with the other isn't. Laying it flat on a table isn't comfortable either.

You've put your finger on it. People nowadays that want to Facebook or tweet or just plain have a web capable device on the go use a iPhone, Android phone, Blackberry or anything else in that format. When they get into the office or home, they use their laptop/desktop to do actual work.

The fact is, the tablet doesn't sound like something that's portable enough (vs an iPhone) or useful enough (vs a laptop/desktop) or ergonomically comfortable (vs just about everything else).

[Ping Guo]

The problem with netbooks is that the brainchilds over at Dell and Asus don't have enough vision.

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
Inigo Montoya

[Donz0r]

Oh I can see that. Apple has had a lot of hit and misses in the past. Not every Apple "revolution" has been one. The iPod is one example. Shiny plasticy transparent cases were another. However, stuff like the Macbook Air was one too, the Newton, heck, even Apple TV in a sense.

Let's forget it's a Apple product for a moment and just think the uses of a tablet. It's not ergonomic to type on, it's not anymore probably than a 10 inch laptop would be and without a full featured OS, it would be just a big iPod Touch, which kind of defeats the portability issue.

So it's not an issue of drinking the kool-aid and going all doughy eyed on it, but what is the actual market and use for a tablet that the iPhone/iPod touch or a Macbook don't already fill ? Students taking notes ?



Wait, keyboards are dead, long live virtual keyboards ? Because somehow replicating a keyboard virtually on a screen that is touch capable makes for ... a... better... input device ? Put down the pills son, screen realestate is already a rare commodity, I don't need a keyboard taking up half of it.

Around the house, I use a laptop. Haven't had a desktop computer in about 3 years. All your ranting about super-portability doesn't change one fact : Typing on a laptop while reading the screen is comfortable. The screen is propped up, the keyboard is laying flat. Holding a tablet like a clipboard in one hand and type on it with the other isn't. Laying it flat on a table isn't comfortable either.

You've put your finger on it. People nowadays that want to Facebook or tweet or just plain have a web capable device on the go use a iPhone, Android phone, Blackberry or anything else in that format. When they get into the office or home, they use their laptop/desktop to do actual work.

The fact is, the tablet doesn't sound like something that's portable enough (vs an iPhone) or useful enough (vs a laptop/desktop) or ergonomically comfortable (vs just about everything else).

I actually said this "for this a virtual keyboard will suffice. Nothing beats a physical keyboard right now,"

You make valid points. I never said a virtual keyboard was in any way superior to a physical keyboard though. Just that interacting with a multi-touch OS is better than pointing and clicking. The keyboard is the Achilles heel of the whole thing.

And I agree with the portability thing, you'll have to be taking it around in a bag, but this device would be a fraction of the size of a macbook so you can't really equate the two in terms of portability. Maybe instead of carrying a breifcase/laptop bag around, in the near future people will have much smaller bags to carry such a device. But like I said, the text input method is the only problem.

[NetScheduler]

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
Inigo Montoya

You are correct, .. he keeps using a word that he doesn't understand. We'll teach him!!! (below)

The problem with the netbook is that it is the brainchild of people over at Dell and Asus who don't seem to have enough vision to take the product to the next level..

I think that's where he was attempting to go....

[MacFly123]

I posted a few days ago thinking that it would be based upon Mac OS but today I realized that if these Prods are in the iPhone Dev then they will undoubtedly be iPhonetric... Which also suggests that existing apps should either run without much tinkering or some minor code mashing.

Playing Flight Control on a 10" screen will be much easier :D

I'm glad you came into the light! :) I just know that all these people that think the Tablet will run OS X are going to be VERY disappointed! :rolleyes:

- Existing tablets have largely failed since they use a mouse-driven GUI on a touchscreen
- iPhone OS uses less resources than Mac OS X, so that means lower specced components which may mean a thinner design and/or lower prices
- iPhone OS uses less resources than Mac OS X, so that also means it may be snappier and less cramped

I felt the need to go on but I'm also hoping this is the last time I explain it (unless I missed something).

Prove that it will run Mac OS X.

(Remember, the earliest post-iPhone rumors slated some type of iPhone OS to run the device.)

Thanks for the backup. Between us, we have pretty much shown beyond reasonable doubt with many points, that the Tablet will in fact run some form of the iPhone OS. I have not heard a SINGLE logical reason as to it running OS X. And we won't, because it won't run OS X! :rolleyes:

P.S. I still wanna know how to start a poll. Anybody know? :confused:

[a6rnh]

this is not a new tablet...this is the new imac.
a portable yet home media based device with a full touchscreen interface. the imac is no more and cheaper powermacs will fill the gap.

[MacRumorUser]

cheaper powermacs will fill the gap.

They don't make powermacs anymore ;)

[iMacmatician]

I just know that all these people that think the Tablet will run OS X are going to be VERY disappointed! :rolleyes:We're seeing some of this disappointment already but that's just the tip of the iceberg.

P.S. I still wanna know how to start a poll. Anybody know? :confused:Click the "New Thread" button and in the bottom of the "Additional Options" box there is a poll option. When you click "Submit New Thread," the poll pops up so you can name the choices etc.

[twoodcc]

well i hope this is wrong. they need to get that tablet out for the holidays

[KnightWRX]

I actually said this ""

You make valid points. I never said a virtual keyboard was in any way superior to a physical keyboard though. Just that interacting with a multi-touch OS is better than pointing and clicking. The keyboard is the Achilles heel of the whole thing.

And I agree with the portability thing, you'll have to be taking it around in a bag, but this device would be a fraction of the size of a macbook so you can't really equate the two in terms of portability. Maybe instead of carrying a breifcase/laptop bag around, in the near future people will have much smaller bags to carry such a device. But like I said, the text input method is the only problem.

Actually, I find keyboard input to be just wonderful. OCR ? Speech-to-text ? No thank you. I can type faster than I can talk in a recognizable manner and there's no mistaking what I'm inputting with what I'm telling my GF.

It's the point and click interfaces that slow us down. I miss the days of the good old $ prompt where everything happened from the keyboard.

Maybe that in itself is a big strike against the tablet for myself, but even for your size argument, a flip netbook sounds a ton better to me than just a simple tablet. Unless said tablet can be flipped open, have a physical keyboard and can be positionned like a Macbook, with the screen propped up, I really don't see it happening outside of some niche.

[MacFly123]

We're seeing some of this disappointment already but that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Click the "New Thread" button and in the bottom of the "Additional Options" box there is a poll option. When you click "Submit New Thread," the poll pops up so you can name the choices etc.

Thank you very much! :)

[Master Chief]

And you guy mix up South Africa (country) with South America (continent)... :eek: I guess you should know by now, after going to Johannesburg 5 times, that it isn't in South America... Better get some "maps" to help your education "over here" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww)
Spot on! I did read something that wasn't there (South Africa). Probably due to all talk about the FIFA world cup (getting sick of all soccer talk) and the insane crime rate there.

p.s. I have been to Iraq five times, that's why the "veteran" clue was there ;)

[macintoshtoffy]

Why the hell would this have USB3 and why would that influence their release? This is APPLE we're talking about, they'll get USB3 a year after everyone else. This thing is going to be a wireless device which will focus on wireless syncing, etc.

And with a capacity of 64gb probably, USB3 would be almost pointless.

Even if they did adopt USB3, the bottle neck will always been the flash storage - its an unavoidable reality that the flash used in these devices are the cheapest and slowest on the market.

Heh. Apple's entire history is one of pushing the limits of hardware, from Wozniak hacking a disk drive the night before the original Apple ][ demo to RISC to Firewire to adapting USB long before anyone on the PC side (and being berated for it at the time).

Because they don't offer the newest, beefiest gaming video cards in an iMac (gee, I can't imagine why) some people have this idea that they don't ever adopt new hardware. Categorically false.

That said, I don't know that they'll be early adopters with USB 3 as they were with the original USB, because all indications are that, like USB 2, 3 is a sheep in hype's clothing. Peak transfer numbers that can match up with the equivalent generation of Firewire, but sustained throughput makes it a total dog.

USB 3 will gain consumer traction, eventually--its real world performance will be just enough about USB 2 for that. But it won't be a dramatic enough gain, no matter what Intel's staged demos show, for Apple to make early adoption a big point.

For all the hype of USB2, I still prefer firewire. I get better sustained throughput for my external hard disk for starters. The reason why Firewire hasn't taken off outside the pro area is because the specifications are alot higher than USB. With USB pretty much all of the work is done by the processor itself, with firewire there is more hardware required and to be classified as 'Firewire compatible' the bar is set alot higher. Wonder why vendors are now not bundling USB cables with their products? because they're not required to as part of the USB standard - with firewire, they have to. For a device, thats an extra $5 right there.

Unfortunately there world is filled with penny pinchers and it isn't until they realise the benefits Firewire when they face that reality of 'getting what you pay for'.

[MacFly123]

Here all... EVERYBODY GO TAKE THE POLL ON THE TABLET OS:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=765839

Thanks. :D

[macintoshtoffy]

You are correct, .. he keeps using a word that he doesn't understand. We'll teach him!!! (below)

The problem with the netbook is that it is the brainchild of people over at Dell and Asus who don't seem to have enough vision to take the product to the next level..

I think that's where he was attempting to go....

I agree. I love the idea of a netbook but what separates Apple from the rest is their ability to take a product to the next level. Anyone can make a media player; what it makes it great is the integration of software, hardware and services in an easy to use package.

The problem with ASUS and Dell is neither of them want to invest any money fixig up the short comings - namely, the fact that they've shoe horned an 8 year old operating system into cut down computer and when Windows 7 comes out, it'll be a desktop operating system shoe horned into a cut down device.

What the netbook needs is an operating system designed to run on such a device; Apple did it with iPhoneOS, and what the netbook needs is a super-optimised *NIX (OpenSolaris, *BSD or Linux) and an easy to use, simplified GUI that is catered for the masses rather than the noisy geeks of the world.

[Chappers]

No, only McCartney and Starr are still alive.

What happened to Ringo and Paul then?:o:D

[firewood]

-Snow Leopard is Intel only.
-iPhone OS is ARM only.

Other than the UI (and bundled user apps), the differences between Snow Leopard and the next gen iPhone-like OS are probably much smaller than you think, and thus major parts likely run quite well on both CPU familes.

Portions of Snow Leopard are iPhone OS technology.

[k1121j]

"Verizon seems really eager to launch that LTE network! We’re not sure if the company will manage to roll it out in the first quarter of 2010 but Big Red is planning to launch trials in Seattle and Boston later this year. If everything goes well, and we hope it does, Verizon will launch the new 4G network in up to 30 markets in 2010. That’s not exactly nationwide but it’s a healthy start. By 2013 Verizon plans to have 100 points of presence by 2013. Whether the whole LTE rush is related to Apple’s future tablet or not remains to be established later on. In the mean time, if you live in Boston or Seattle and if you’re a Verizon customer, then you might enjoy some LTE action later this year!":D

[MorphingDragon]

"Verizon seems really eager to launch that LTE network! We’re not sure if the company will manage to roll it out in the first quarter of 2010 but Big Red is planning to launch trials in Seattle and Boston later this year. If everything goes well, and we hope it does, Verizon will launch the new 4G network in up to 30 markets in 2010. That’s not exactly nationwide but it’s a healthy start. By 2013 Verizon plans to have 100 points of presence by 2013. Whether the whole LTE rush is related to Apple’s future tablet or not remains to be established later on. In the mean time, if you live in Boston or Seattle and if you’re a Verizon customer, then you might enjoy some LTE action later this year!":D

Meh, Early Adopters beware. Verizon will give you phones with LTE, then charge you $20 a month for 4G use!!!

[DELLsFan]

Seeing as September would be the iPod event ...

Boring ...

... that is ... unless there are some significant changes to the iPod Touch or they apologize and pull the new shuffle off the shelves. :p

[macintoshtoffy]

"Verizon seems really eager to launch that LTE network! We’re not sure if the company will manage to roll it out in the first quarter of 2010 but Big Red is planning to launch trials in Seattle and Boston later this year. If everything goes well, and we hope it does, Verizon will launch the new 4G network in up to 30 markets in 2010. That’s not exactly nationwide but it’s a healthy start. By 2013 Verizon plans to have 100 points of presence by 2013. Whether the whole LTE rush is related to Apple’s future tablet or not remains to be established later on. In the mean time, if you live in Boston or Seattle and if you’re a Verizon customer, then you might enjoy some LTE action later this year!":D

The world is now standardising on UTMS; In New Zealand (Telecom), Australia (Telstra) and the US (AT&T) they've standardised on 850 and 2100 - 850 for coverage and 2100 kicking in for extra capacity in urban areas. I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing Apple sell the phones directly from Apple Store in the future given that you can buy an iPhone directly from the Apple online store in New Zealand and use it with 2 Degrees, Vodafone, or Telecom XT Network.

[Maserati7200]

I don't understand what all the hype over this tablet is, tablets are not too popular.
Believe it or not, a lot of people will buy something if it's shiny and made by Apple.

John, George and Ringo are alive. Paul is dead.
I really hope that was sarcasm :eek::D;)

[DELLsFan]

Believe it or not, a lot of people will buy something if it's shiny and made by Apple...

Give consumers a little credit will you? If a product is made (designed) by Apple, this implies the product will be a meticulous marvel of engineering, design and impossible attention to detail. It'll be easy-to-use, innovative and ground-breaking for the genre ... like the iPod Touch and iPhone were. Since Jobs has been in command at Apple recently, has there been a product that wasn't magnificent (albeit expensive)? :cool:

[KnightWRX]

Give consumers a little credit will you? If a product is made (designed) by Apple, this implies the product will be a meticulous marvel of engineering, design and impossible attention to detail. It'll be easy-to-use, innovative and ground-breaking for the genre ... like the iPod Touch and iPhone were. Since Jobs has been in command at Apple recently, has there been a product that wasn't magnificent (albeit expensive)? :cool:

Apple TV. Macbook Air.

A tablet just makes no sens. It's just not ergonomical or practical. The iPhone/iPod Touch is more portable for web browsing on the go, and a laptop makes for a much more comfortable experience taking notes in class.

[DELLsFan]

Apple TV. Macbook Air.

A tablet just makes no sens. It's just not ergonomical or practical. The iPhone/iPod Touch is more portable for web browsing on the go, and a laptop makes for a much more comfortable experience reading email and sending IMs instead of paying attention taking notes in class.

Fixed that for you.

I can't agree with your examples. I love my Apple TV. Many others love theirs too. The MBA is an incredible feat of engineering and design - not for everyone - but great for those who need something light and powerful (albeit at a premium).

[Target362]

some Schools require a tablet device. Tablets are great for taking notes. notes from your hand writing can be converted to text.

I think it good apple will create a tablet device, but much like they did with the iPhone, the tablet will stand out from other tablets and might even change how tablets are made. (like the iPhone, now all we see is touch screen phones)

[KnightWRX]

Fixed that for you.

I can't agree with your examples. I love my Apple TV. Many others love theirs too. The MBA is an incredible feat of engineering and design - not for everyone - but great for those who need something light and powerful (albeit at a premium).

You can't agree, but the truth is, the AppleTV is far from a big success. It may be sleek and well design, but most people just don't find a use for it, and as such, it has not been a big seller.

Same for the Macbook air, it's great design wise, it's just that the cons have been too much for people to actually buy them and as such, it's not a great seller.

I see the tablet in the same way. The thing just isn't a laptop, and wouldn't be comfortable to type on. The extra portability against a Macbook would be moot if you're a student, and while you think messing on IM and reading e-mail in class is the only use for a notebook, I know plenty of people that use them to actually take and organise class notes.

And on the run, having to drag out a tablet from a backpack to get some info on the Web is much less practical than an iPhone or iPod Touch in your pocket (granted the iPhone is much more useful in this regard with 3g). It means you have to drag a backpack everywhere.

So basically, a iPhone+Macbook combo is much more practical than a Tablet and that's the problem I see with it. It's not the best of both worlds, it's the worse of both worlds without the best thrown in.

some Schools require a tablet device. Tablets are great for taking notes. notes from your hand writing can be converted to text.

I don't think so. Having to scoot your head down to read what you're writing is nice on paper with a pen. But doing it on a virtual keyboard, I'd rather have the screen propped up and the keyboard laid flat... Like a laptop. The position is much better and less tiring, especially for a 2-3 hour course.

And usually, hand writing to text can be a bitch. I type much faster than I can write something legible by the computer, especially considering that many of the letters require special strokes which I have to memorize (muscle memory is not as developped for those as it is with normal hand writing and typing).

[Target362]

I don't think so. Having to scoot your head down to read what you're writing is nice on paper with a pen. But doing it on a virtual keyboard, I'd rather have the screen propped up and the keyboard laid flat... Like a laptop. The position is much better and less tiring, especially for a 2-3 hour course.

And usually, hand writing to text can be a bitch. I type much faster than I can write something legible by the computer, especially considering that many of the letters require special strokes which I have to memorize (muscle memory is not as developped for those as it is with normal hand writing and typing).

FYI, I'm talking about college and not your middle or high school..

Also, I think you missed the point on Text to handwriting, but since you didnt get the school deal, its pointless to even explain it to you

[KnightWRX]

FYI, I'm talking about college and not your middle or high school..

Also, I think you missed the point on Text to handwriting, but since you didnt get the school deal, its pointless to even explain it to you

I don't see what I missed. You think a tablet is great for taking notes, I argued that the ergonomics of a laptop are superior for extended periods. I don't quite get your high school comment, since I never had a 3 hour course in high school, but I've had plenty of those in college, where the whole 3 hours were spent taking down notes.

And handwriting to text or OCR isn't all it's crack up to be, even now, so again, I fail to see your comment. A laptop is a superior note taking device than a tablet.

[DELLsFan]

You can't agree, but the truth is, the AppleTV is far from a big success. It may be sleek and well design, but most people just don't find a use for it, and as such, it has not been a big seller.

I see. You now speak for "most people"? YOU won't buy one because YOU don't/can't find a use for it, don't you mean? It doesn't sell well and is a huge failure because you didn't buy one? Clearly more people are buying iMacs than Mac Pros and Minis. So to extend your logic, that must mean the MPs and Minis aren't big sellers either, right? :rolleyes:

Same for the Macbook air, it's great design wise, it's just that the cons have been too much for people to actually buy them and as such, it's not a great seller.

I see. This would explain why Apple, the most powerful and successful computer company in the world, decided to revisit the design and internals of the MBA and is still offering them? :rolleyes:

Look, maybe the ATV and MBA aren't the big successes that the new 13" MacBook Pros are, but apparently they are successful enough to continue offering them. The ATV happens to be due for a refresh soon, I would say - so I suspect we'll see how committed to these products Cupertino is in a year or so. I am happy with my ATV. Because you don't want one or a MBA, doesn't somehow make either product inferior or a failure.

I see the tablet in the same way. The thing just isn't a laptop, and wouldn't be comfortable to type on. The extra portability against a Macbook would be moot if you're a student, and while you think messing on IM and reading e-mail in class is the only use for a notebook, I know plenty of people that use them to actually take and organise class notes.

So you and the dozen or so "students" actually taking notes on one can stick with your laptop. Good luck and best wishes. Meanwhile, outside of class, there are certainly plenty of uses for a tablet form factor for other folks - like me. There are compelling reasons why the tablet would be an improvement over the iPod Touch or iPhone. If Apple does release a new tablet, I'm certain it will revolutionize the genre and enhance the mobile computing market, not detract from it. :)

Your preferences and desires as a student obviously influence your opinion on your ever wanting one. That's ok. I've never argued the utility of the tablet as being the ideal product for "note-taking" in class. The MacBook seems to be a great alternative toward this end. I'm saying there is certainly more utility outside academia than you're willing to admit. Soon, hopefully, we'll both find out how MUCH more. ;)

[KnightWRX]

Look, stop being a total fanboy. Look at the sales number for the Macbook Air and Apple TV. Everything that comes out of Apple isn't great and must have. Sometimes they do stumble and they are far from perfect. That's not negative, that's reality. No one ever truly understand market forces.

So far, the Macbook Air and Apple TV have been profitable if not successful, that's why they are still sold. Notice how they don't get as many updates (especially the Apple TV) than their brethren though.


So you and the dozen or so "students" actually taking notes on one can stick with your laptop. Good luck and best wishes. Meanwhile, outside of class, there are certainly plenty of uses for a tablet form factor for other folks - like me. There are compelling reasons why the tablet would be an improvement over the iPod Touch or iPhone. If Apple does release a new tablet, I'm certain it will revolutionize the genre and enhance the mobile computing market, not detract from it. :)

Such as ? Remember, you're going to have to drag it around in a bag everywhere, not your pocket like a phone. Portability is less than a iPhone, so what would make it so much more compelling ? Other than "it's Apple's new gadget, must have!".

And I have my college degree. Today I use a laptop because I can drag it all over the house and to the garage or to work If I need to show something to a co-worker. And no, a tablet won't be better for any of that since I don't feel comfortable not typing with my two hands and typing on something that's laying flat on its back doesn't appeal to me.

[DELLsFan]

Look, stop being a total fanboy.

Now that's gotta be a first. :eek: Tell you what ... stop being contrary and I'll consider your request. :cool:

... Look at the sales number for the Macbook Air and Apple TV. Everything that comes out of Apple isn't great and must have. Sometimes they do stumble and they are far from perfect. That's not negative, that's reality. No one ever truly understand market forces.

It sure does sound like you do though. :rolleyes: If you had your way, Apple would not be allowed to sell such a silly device - like a tablet ... am I right?

... So far, the Macbook Air and Apple TV have been profitable if not successful, that's why they are still sold.

So you might begin to understand my confusion with your mixed signals here, considering how not "magnificent" these two products were in your earlier opinion.

... Notice how they don't get as many updates (especially the Apple TV) than their brethren though.

I have ... which absolutely proves how much of a failure these products have been, right? :rolleyes:

Such as ? Remember, you're going to have to drag it around in a bag everywhere, not your pocket like a phone. Portability is less than a iPhone, so what would make it so much more compelling ? Other than "it's Apple's new gadget, must have!".

The larger screen is a big factor for me. As for portability, I should think it would be more portable than a Macbook or even the MBA. If the video capabilities on the Apple tablet are adequate, I think I'll prefer this to using a heavier, larger laptop or the smaller iPhone in-flight.

This is not to say I don't appreciate the capabilities of my iPhone. I do use it ... a lot. However, when traveling, I prefer a larger form factor for email and internet without the weight, bulk, and expense of a laptop. Sure, it won't fit in my pocket, but it will fit into my budget and lifestyle.

... And I have my college degree.

Congratulations. You appear to have used your laptop effectively in class. Sadly, I think on the whole, you were probably more an exception than norm. I believe most undergraduates today are not nearly as scrupulous with their technology in class as they could be. Hence my sarcasm earlier.

... Today I use a laptop because I can drag it all over the house and to the garage or to work If I need to show something to a co-worker. And no, a tablet won't be better for any of that since I don't feel comfortable not typing with my two hands and typing on something that's laying flat on its back doesn't appeal to me.

Well there we go ... finally - some argument to explain how and why a tablet might not work for you. I can appreciate your view. It's sad the reverse doesn't seem to be the case - given your passion on the matter. I'm a non-touch typist, so I'm already use to the constraints of single finger touch-screen typing. I'm looking forward to the tablet rumor coming true. ;)

[KnightWRX]

Read this paragraph you wrote again :

Give consumers a little credit will you? If a product is made (designed) by Apple, this implies the product will be a meticulous marvel of engineering, design and impossible attention to detail. It'll be easy-to-use, innovative and ground-breaking for the genre ... like the iPod Touch and iPhone were. Since Jobs has been in command at Apple recently, has there been a product that wasn't magnificent (albeit expensive)?

While a good niche and a nice product, the Apple TV is not ground-breaking for the genre. Nor is the Macbook Air. I'd go so far as to say the Macbook Air genre never quite took off and the Netbook genre completely blew it out of the water.

This is what I was saying. Apple is hit and miss too. And no, I don't pretend to know market forces better than anyone, but I can look back at what happened and see when something was a huge success and when something was simply a miss.

And I'm not a touch typist either. My fingers are all over the keyboard when I type, I don't do the asdf jkl; thing. However, typing with one hand while the other holds a clunker of a device like a clipboard doesn't seem appealing to me. And with a 10" screen, this thing won't be able to be held like a iPhone. This is why I put portability under con for it and ergonomy too. A Macbook makes for a much better typing experience, a iPhone makes for a better portability. I don't want to drag my backpack everywhere I go, even it if is hip and trendy with it's diagonal single strap (yeah, like I'd have one of those...).

[nicuk]

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[DELLsFan]

...While a good niche and a nice product, the Apple TV is not ground-breaking for the genre. Nor is the Macbook Air. I'd go so far as to say the Macbook Air genre never quite took off and the Netbook genre completely blew it out of the water.

There is some truth to your assertions here, but I think both the ATV and MBA are really fantastic devices.

My DELL Vostro A90 is a netbook. Though while I really love it, it can't be compared to a MacBook Air. The MBA is not a netbook, it's much more powerful of a computer with features unique to its genre - its niche market. The MBA may not be selling as much as Apple would like, but it's an amazing device nonetheless.

I disagree with you on whether it was groundbreaking, however. Nothing out there is as thin and powerful as this computer, right? Did we see mainstream inclusion of solid state drives in Mac computers before the MBA? Definitely groundbreaking, but I think it's priced still way too expensive. Apple conceded this point very recently by dropping the price significantly. It's a start. If they dropped the price further, perhaps it would sell better - but I digress.

This is what I was saying. Apple is hit and miss too. And no, I don't pretend to know market forces better than anyone, but I can look back at what happened and see when something was a huge success and when something was simply a miss.

Try looking at it differently than baseball. If you swing and miss the ball pitched at you, THAT'S a miss. If you are playing darts and hit the board, but not the bulls eye, is this a miss? The MBA and ATV may not have been bulls eyes, but they did score ... enough points in the dart game analogy to continue making them - to keep playing. As they improve upon their designs, and acquiesce on price, Apple's aim (and score) may improve. :cool:

... I don't want to drag my backpack everywhere I go, even it if is hip and trendy with it's diagonal single strap (yeah, like I'd have one of those...)...

hah ... granted. Hey, it's all good. I don't profess to be a trendy technophile. I do admit to loving Apple's products and expect ease in use, and a satisfying experience after purchasing them. I think it's a great thing to add options to an evolving handheld computing market. Apple is wise to take the lead here and I think their tablet will do this and still meet the needs of folks like me and others. It's clear you have different needs ... and that's ok too. Yours appear to have been met. :D

[mjteix]

Look at the sales number for the Macbook Air...
So far, the Macbook Air and Apple TV have been profitable if not successful, that's why they are still sold. Notice how they don't get as many updates (especially the Apple TV) than their brethren though.

Such as ? Remember, you're going to have to drag it around in a bag everywhere, not your pocket like a phone. Portability is less than a iPhone, so what would make it so much more compelling ? Other than "it's Apple's new gadget, must have!".

And I have my college degree. Today I use a laptop because I can drag it all over the house and to the garage or to work If I need to show something to a co-worker. And no, a tablet won't be better for any of that since I don't feel comfortable not typing with my two hands and typing on something that's laying flat on its back doesn't appeal to me.

I like you to point us in the direction were we could actually get those numbers for the MBA. Apple doesn't disclose them, so anything you say about the MBA being a failure is pure imagination. Anyway not every product is made to be sold to everybody. There is no "holy grail" in computers or anything for that matter.

Then in the following paragraph you're stating that the MBA has been profitable. Isn't that all that matters? Anyway, the MBA has received as many updates as the MB/MBP since its launch, it uses the latest cpu/chipsets available. That's all that matters.

Well, if the tablet is a thin, light, 10" device, of course it will be less portable than an iPhone/iPod touch, but it will also be more portable than any MB/MBA/MBP, about half the size of a 13" MBx. And it will offer a better viewing experience than the iPhone/iPod touch for things like surfing the web, watching movies or displaying anykind of document.

For the usages vs a regular notebook, we'll have to see what it is capable of. Right now we know nothing, so it is useless to try to compare. And we also don't know how well it will integrate with Mac OS X computers.

All of your usage/concern seems revolving about typing. That's OK. If a notebook is what you need/suits you the best, OK. Apple has plenty of devices you can use (starting at $999). Now some people may not use computers/devices mainly for typing, but for, let's say "consuming" data/media, watching/examining/listening to things. They may not feel that a hardware keyboard is a requirement.

Like you said yourself, the "point and click interface" is what slow us down. Don't you think that multitouch is a mean to accelerate/change the way we "point and click"? I'll give you just an example in my line of work: try freely/manually moving two (or three or more) faders at the same time in the Logic Studio mixer or adjusting the frequency and the level of an EQ at the same time... You can't, because of the "point and click interface", yet it's is something that I can do on a $20 radioshack hardware mixer (or a $100,000 SSL mixing console). Multitouch would allow this kind of interaction and more. More natural interactions. You can do more with 10 fingers than just typing. So maybe this new device from Apple is their second step in the multitouch environment. It could allow not only new/different apps vs the "desktop" ones, but also better ones.

Don't dismiss a product/technology (that isn't released yet) just because you can't see YOURSELF using it (for whatever - good or bad - reason).

[KnightWRX]

Don't dismiss a product/technology (that isn't released yet) just because you can't see YOURSELF using it (for whatever - good or bad - reason).

Tablet products are already out there : http://www.samsung.com/uk/business/b2b/products/notebooks/ultra_mobile/q1.htm.

You can think Apple will great and different, I'd rather be skeptic and say it'll be the same in a glossy package.

[mjteix]

Tablet products are already out there : http://www.samsung.com/uk/business/b2b/products/notebooks/ultra_mobile/q1.htm.
I was talking about Apple's rumored multitouch tablet not tablets/UMPCs in general, and the Q1 is not even multitouch.

You can think Apple will great and different, I'd rather be skeptic and say it'll be the same in a glossy package.

It will never be the same because it won't run windows to begin with. You're not being skeptic since you have NO doubt "it'll be the same in a glossy package" or "useless". Me, I wonder what it will be capable of. One thing's for sure is that Apple is probably the only company that can make this work, even for people like you.

[nikaru]

http://www.engadget.com/tag/appletablet

lol

[KnightWRX]

It will never be the same because it won't run windows to begin with. You're not being skeptic since you have NO doubt "it'll be the same in a glossy package" or "useless". Me, I wonder what it will be capable of. One thing's for sure is that Apple is probably the only company that can make this work, even for people like you.

I'm not skeptic about my use for a tablet. I know that I won't need one and certainly won't rush to the store to buy one. I have way more need for a sissy bar and fender rack on my bike and that's where my money is going this fall.

I'm skeptic about the success of such a product. I'm thinking this tablet thing, for all the hype and drooling is getting, is going to be one of those "Must buy! Must unbox! ... erm... Must Sell!" type things. Not a lot of people have a true need for it, just a "WANT!", until reality sinks in of course.

That is what I'm skeptic about, people are going to be disappointed when they find out that it is a Samsung Q1 with multi-touch screen.

Heck, though I do understand the iPhone/iPod touch hype, I still haven't even come close to getting one. My Phone doesn't do Internet nor do I want it to really, just no need for it. However, I understand why people that need Internet on the go do, it's called consolidation, just how I just love the fact that since my SE phone has a Walkman software, I don't need to drag around my iPod anymore.

This tablet sounds like the anti-thesis of device consolidation. It doesn't replace your iPhone/iPod, it's yet another device you have to carry around. I think there's much to be said for 1 device that does it all and iPhone/Android/Windows Mobile could solve that 1 problem once they are the be-all, end-all of gadgets.

[iMacmatician]

Tablet products are already out there : http://www.samsung.com/uk/business/b2b/products/notebooks/ultra_mobile/q1.htm.

You can think Apple will great and different, I'd rather be skeptic and say it'll be the same in a glossy package.That is what I'm skeptic about, people are going to be disappointed when they find out that it is a Samsung Q1 with multi-touch screen. One significant difference is the likely usage of a mobile OS designed for multi-touch instead of a desktop OS.

[KnightWRX]

One significant difference is the likely usage of a mobile OS designed for multi-touch instead of a desktop OS.

If it does use iPhone OS, then it's just going to be an unportable iPhone. And that's exactly what a lot of foaming at the mouth "gimme tablet NAO!" people don't want (see this very thread for details, a few pages of arguments over the OS and why iPhone OS is bad bad bad!).

If it uses Mac OS X with a multi-touch interface, then it's a desktop OS based tablet.

See why I am skeptic about this now ?

[albusseverus]

Wouldn't it be a disappointment if iProd was just the code name for the new iPod Touch. Has anyone reported screen sizes from the browser logs for this device? We've seen that previously, but not lately.

I still think there's both a netbook and a reading tablet in the works, and unfortunately, Steve is going to introduce the tablet at CES in January.

Would be nice if one of them had an OLED touch screen.

tv proves that Apple will charge whatever they like for a device with limited functionality (You want how much for an HDMI interface??)

And if mjteix doesn't want a Touch device, there's 50 million people who do…

[mjteix]

And if mjteix doesn't want a Touch device, there's 50 million people who do…

LOL. Good one.

[cwfrederick]

apple doesnt need to crowd its lineup for the holiday season. i think it will sell well even post-holiday, especially if they come out with a karaoke app to go along with that 'cocktail' thing.

[Target362]

Look, stop being a total fanboy.

how about stop assuming your world is everyone eleses world.

Look at the sales number for the Macbook Air and Apple TV. Everything that comes out of Apple isn't great and must have. Sometimes they do stumble and they are far from perfect. That's not negative, that's reality. No one ever truly understand market forces.

don't forget about the hi-fi


I have my college degree. Today I use a laptop because I can drag it all over the house and to the garage or to work If I need to show something to a co-worker. And no, a tablet won't be better for any of that since I don't feel comfortable not typing with my two hands and typing on something that's laying flat on its back doesn't appeal to me.

Well thats you, there are others who disagree with you. I know its a shocker.

[Thex1138]

Just wondering...
Could there be two devices released?
One with iPhone 3.1/4.0 OS whilst the other with a slimmer Leopard OS X [or full].
10" iPhone 4.0 iPad - Educational?
12" OS X Macbook Touch - Camera & extended connectivity?

I wonder because some of the changes to Leopard front end with unified controls, colours, dialog boxes along with smaller OS image size and some previously discussed OS feature modifications do tend to suggest a shift to include a tablet interface form factor.

I wonder if anyone has delved deeper into the recent OS X builds for any clues as to Leopards hardware pointers which might hint at a a touch interface?

Other clues include cosmetic changes to Safari, Firefox and the impending Office 2010 which also appear touch interface / Mobile centric.

Apple Surprises all the time.

[Journojulz]

Who gives a flying fruitcake about a tablet PC.

Not me.

But a tablet Mac....

Now there is an object of ipod/iphone potential of changing the market as we know it.

It could replace the ebook, and student's pad and paper.

Just think - a new os designed for two handed input, as many as 10 individual signals transferred to applications....

Can you imagine the possibilities?

I am a musician and the idea of multi area inputs for instruments is making me rather excited.

Imagine strumming a harp with fingers on one hand, tapping bells with the left thumb while caressing a cloud of angelic voices into sweet harmonies with your right hand......

We are talking about something rather exciting here....

in terms of interfaces, what else could be achieved?

FX from MP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P51w0UI-xkY#lq-lq2-hq)

[nicuk]

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[Sydde]

iPhone OS for ARM has a little problem involving Flash. This is currently a huge issue, unless they can get Flash 10 working in 4.0 or so. Hence, just slapping together a larger iPod touch is not enough for a decent product in this space right now.

What I could see (since Apple sometimes releases a different thing than what people expect) is a 7" unit (making 4 times the size of the iPhone/iPod) with a separate keyboard that folds in half at the G|H line to form a package for the unit. This would be a bluetooth keyboard, effectively full-sized when folded out, with a fold-out rack to hold the tablet unit at a notebook-like position. The combined size of such a setup would be similar to a Newton MP 100, or the tablet could be taken just by itself and used with a pen or screen keyboard (either option would be excellent for, say, a cyclist keep a diary on crazyguyonabike).

I use my iPod Touch (a gift) as a supplement to my Cube, so that I can sit in the living room and browse the web. I could see people using it as a handy around-the-house web-and-mail tool in that way: much easier to carry than a notebook, and less fragile (no hinge). For more serious users, a Time Capsule would serve as an extension to its limited storage capacity, and screen broadcasting (cf. Zune, only more flexible) would extend its usefulness.

I think there is a space for a thing like this, they just need to find the thing to fit best into that space.

[CQd44]

I fail to see how multi-touch would somehow make a tablet worth buying if you don't already have one.

[KnightWRX]

Well thats you, there are others who disagree with you. I know its a shocker.

And again for the reading comprehension impaired : I am skeptic of their numbers.

[Virt]

So, assuming there is going to be an ipod update announced on September 9th, what would happen if I were to purchase a new uMBP and ipod for college with the rebate the week before the update. Would there be a possibility that I could exchange the ipod for the newer version?

[corinhorn]

So, assuming there is going to be an ipod update announced on September 9th, what would happen if I were to purchase a new uMBP and ipod for college with the rebate the week before the update. Would there be a possibility that I could exchange the ipod for the newer version?Nope.

[clyde2801]

Somebody pointed something out during a recent edition of mac os ken: if you've got SL on your mac, and click/hold the mouse down over something in the doc, it does a nice large expose'ish stack over all of open applications in it.

The person who noticed this then speculated that it would be an ideal feature for navigating around a touch screen. It's an interesting point.

I would be interested in an iTablet or appleTablet, whatever. Larger capacity, bigger screen (which the over 40 crowd would appreciate), larger keyboard and/or handwriting recognition that works, and more memory would be sweet. Better wi/fi reception and possibly a flat rate/all you can eat data plan would be a plus. (I think I'd rather have a reasonably priced data plan than a carrier subsidy.) Being able to comfortably read documents and/or order e publications would be a big plus. Even a iPod touch with twice the screen and memory would be a big improvement.

I'm not guessing what apple would do or not do; I've given up on the futility of that time-waster (apple will never...).

With the price apple would probably want, I also wouldn't be the first person in line to buy one, either. I'd let others stand in line, do beta testing for me, and wait for their posts on this site.

Either way, I'll casually peek on the notes on the presentation today as time permits.

God help me, I can't help but feel like a little kid eagerly staring at the Christmas tree at 7 a.m. on Christmas morning whenever Apple does a big media event. I just hope I don't find myself surrounded by clothes and school supplies when the furor ends...:o

[ipodfan73]

I'd say that since Steve Jobs has green lighted this it's definitely happening. The only real question is when, but noise is increasing that puts the launch befor christmas this year.

Oh, and if you wanna check out some great qrtist's impressions of what it will look like, go to http://blog.letsbuyit.com/en/2009/09/10/apple-tablet/

[MorphingDragon]

Phwoar, I must ninja us some T48137ZZZ!!!!! (If you can read that, good 4 u)

Wow lets see what rumors was correct like... the iPod nano camera.
1 out of how many 1000000000 bumply bajillion!!!! :D

[techfreak85]

Somebody pointed something out during a recent edition of mac os ken: if you've got SL on your mac, and click/hold the mouse down over something in the doc, it does a nice large expose'ish stack over all of open applications in it.

The person who noticed this then speculated that it would be an ideal feature for navigating around a touch screen. It's an interesting point.

I believe that was me but i am having a hard time finding it.:o

[Marx55]

Expect the Apple Tablet SOON!

More evidence that an Apple tablet is in the works
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/technology/2009/09/more_evidence_that_an_apple_ta.html

WOW!!!

[RHatton]

I really hope it doesn't look like that. Its terrible. Those patent drawings look like an oversized iphone with an iphone keyboard. How terrible would that be for typing documents? Knowing Apple i'm sure they will release something worthwhile. Time will tell.