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blizaine
Aug 21, 2009, 08:07 PM
I was just at Best Buy to purchase a second ATV and they were out. So I had them check to see if they had any at their other stores. All 15+ locations that showed up on the screen said they were all out of stock except one. It had two but it was 2 hrs away. Also, every store showed "0" on order. The guy said that the only time this happens is when a product is EOL or being replaced.

I also tired searching in several zip codes on the BB website when I got home and it looked like most did not have any available for store pickup.

It shows "Ships in 24 hrs" on Apples site, so it could be nothing, but I thought I'd let you guys know.



jakerules133
Aug 21, 2009, 08:43 PM
It's good news to hear that it is there is more of a chance that the :apple:tv will either get new hardware or that it's just going to stop selling them.

travisjacques
Aug 21, 2009, 09:58 PM
I was just at Best Buy to purchase a second ATV and they were out. So I had them check to see if they had any at their other stores. All 15+ locations that showed up on the screen said they were all out of stock except one. It had two but it was 2 hrs away. Also, every store showed "0" on order. The guy said that the only time this happens is when a product is EOL or being replaced.

I also tired searching in several zip codes on the BB website when I got home and it looked like most did not have any available for store pickup.

It shows "Ships in 24 hrs" on Apples site, so it could be nothing, but I thought I'd let you guys know.

It seems of the closest 6 best buys, only 2 have them available. I really really hope there is something to this.

gan6660
Aug 21, 2009, 10:26 PM
Just checked mine and none of my 6 stores have any instock. And did you notice that they only have the 40gb model and it is priced and $249?

BORIStheBLADE
Aug 21, 2009, 10:49 PM
If this is true then we might see something new. Nice!

gan6660
Aug 21, 2009, 10:59 PM
This got me thinking. My local Walmart and Target both carried Apple TV at the beginning of July and now neither has had any in stock for weeks. I just checked both their websites and neither one even recognizes it exists. The Apple TV is a great concept but I purchased one last year and just didnt like it. It was hard to use and you cant rent moives the same day you can buy them. Hopefully the rumors that the Tablet will replace the Apple TV are true and that it will be announced next month!

NotFound
Aug 21, 2009, 11:03 PM
There are none in my area as well.

balamw
Aug 21, 2009, 11:07 PM
It is kinda sad that I have not even bothered to hook up my :apple:TV after I moved. What I'm still hoping for is something that will handle the back end. Kind of like the HP MediaSmart Home Servers (sigh).

If Apple doesn't get into that market I will definitely buy a HP after the holiday season. My Time Capsule and Airport Extreme, nice as they are, are simply not full featured enough to be considered home servers.

B

butchseaman
Aug 21, 2009, 11:22 PM
6 store in the st louis area have none as well ...

gan6660
Aug 21, 2009, 11:24 PM
Seems like a refresh/discontinuation is immenant.

hitekalex
Aug 22, 2009, 12:16 AM
Hopefully the rumors that the Tablet will replace the Apple TV are true and that it will be announced next month!

The tablet will not replace Apple TV. The two products serve completely different purposes.

MacBlackBook22
Aug 22, 2009, 01:19 AM
No problem finding them here in Vancouver. I just bought one this afternoon :):apple:

AZ63
Aug 22, 2009, 01:50 AM
Just check my Zip in Phoenix and not available in the surrounding BB stores. Good news, I hope.

Shuttleworth
Aug 22, 2009, 06:10 AM
Hopefully the rumors that the Tablet will replace the Apple TV are true and that it will be announced next month!
How will a tablet replace the AppleTV?

travisjacques
Aug 22, 2009, 08:06 AM
Hopefully the rumors that the Tablet will replace the Apple TV are true and that it will be announced next month!

Is the tablet going to have 120g of storage and audio and video outputs? I dont know about you, but id rather watch my media on a 46" TV than a 6-10" ipod touch. So hoping that this tablet "replaces" apple TV is just scary. Hopefully we see a strong refresh and a totally revamped machine.

andymodem
Aug 22, 2009, 09:22 AM
Only one store showing in stock in the Baltimore area.

mastershakess
Aug 22, 2009, 09:46 AM
Only one store showing in stock in the Baltimore area.

Yea Towson has one! East of Bmore is sold out . . . .

Tallest Skil
Aug 22, 2009, 09:51 AM
60%: Discontinuation
40%: Hardware update

Sad, really. :(

hitekalex
Aug 22, 2009, 09:53 AM
60%: Discontinuation
40%: Hardware update

Sad, really. :(

Or most likely neither. Apple store has both ATV models as "shipping within 24 hours".

mastershakess
Aug 22, 2009, 10:11 AM
60%: Discontinuation
40%: Hardware update

Sad, really. :(

thats very generous of you, I was thinking more like:
80%: Discontinuation
20%: Hardware update

gan6660
Aug 22, 2009, 10:38 AM
You dont remember the rumor a few weeks ago that the tablet would include some kind of dock for the tv.

NightStorm
Aug 22, 2009, 10:41 AM
thats very generous of you, I was thinking more like:
80%: Discontinuation
20%: Hardware update

The AppleTV will not be discontinued... The majority of Best Buy stores did not carry these in-stock on a regular basis.

Surely
Aug 22, 2009, 10:45 AM
No problem finding them here in Vancouver. I just bought one this afternoon :):apple:

Well hopefully you won't feel disappointed about your purchase if something new and improved is announced in a couple of weeks.

uberamd
Aug 22, 2009, 10:46 AM
I was the biggest Apple TV advocate until I realized that the PS3's media capabilities blow the ATV out of the water. Now, my ATV just sits turned off.

I can't see it being discontinued though.

almostinsane
Aug 22, 2009, 10:52 AM
thats very generous of you, I was thinking more like:
80%: Discontinuation
20%: Hardware update

hmm, I'd go with:

95%: Discontinuation
5%: Hardware update

mastershakess
Aug 22, 2009, 10:59 AM
The AppleTV will not be discontinued... The majority of Best Buy stores did not carry these in-stock on a regular basis.

And you know this because . . . . ?

I was the biggest Apple TV advocate until I realized that the PS3's media capabilities blow the ATV out of the water. Now, my ATV just sits turned off.

I can't see it being discontinued though.

PS3 is way better and I sold my ATV when I bought my PS3

hmm, I'd go with:

95%: Discontinuation
5%: Hardware update

Maybe

gan6660
Aug 22, 2009, 12:03 PM
I was just looking in the clearence section of the apple store and most of the products in there are for the apple tv. Like cables and stuff like that.

gkarris
Aug 22, 2009, 12:37 PM
So if they discontinue AppleTV, is this Apple's plan to "upsell" people to a Mini? :eek:

That'll work in today's economy... :rolleyes:

mastershakess
Aug 22, 2009, 05:11 PM
So if they discontinue AppleTV, is this Apple's plan to "upsell" people to a Mini? :eek:

That'll work in today's economy... :rolleyes:

I know 10 people who connect their computers (laptops, PCs, Macs) to their TVs for videos/pictures/internet for every 1 person I know with an ATV

jaw04005
Aug 22, 2009, 06:49 PM
And you know this because . . . . ?

It's not going away for three reasons:

1. Apple discussed at WWDC its primary goal for Snow Leopard was to unify the Mac, iPhone, iPod and Apple TV platforms.

2. Apple TV is Apple's only living room device.

3. Apple TV's sales were up 300 percent in Q1 '09 over Q1 '08 without a price drop or major software upgrade.

Additionally, Snow Leopard includes two new features for Apple TV owners, a new export/sharing wizard in QuickTime X and the ability for your AirPort or Time Capsule to wake your Mac up to sync with Apple TV. So, Apple is still building out O/S features to be used in conjunction with the Apple TV.

And Tim Cook has said repeatedly that while the Apple TV remains a hobby they would continue to invest in it.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/01/21/apple_tv_sales_rise_300_will_see_continued_investment.html

hitekalex
Aug 22, 2009, 08:50 PM
It's not going away for three reasons:

1. Apple discussed at WWDC its primary goal for Snow Leopard was to unify the Mac, iPhone, iPod and Apple TV platforms.

2. Apple TV is Apple's only living room device.

3. Apple TV's sales were up 300 percent in Q1 '09 over Q1 '08 without a price drop or major software upgrade.

Finally someone who knows what they're talking about. There is no way Apple is going to just drop AppleTV. It's an integral part of iTunes/iPod/Mac ecosystem, and a key venue for Apple to sell & rent more ITMS content. Apple is not going to just concede the living room to Microsoft Media Center.. not a chance.

I was the biggest Apple TV advocate until I realized that the PS3's media capabilities blow the ATV out of the water. Now, my ATV just sits turned off.

I also don't understand why every other thread here needs to have someone bringing up PS3 and how it's superior to ATV. If your PS3 blows ATV out of the water and it's sitting unused - why do you ever bother reading this forum?

jaw04005
Aug 22, 2009, 10:00 PM
I also don't understand why every other thread here needs to have someone bringing up PS3 and how it's superior to ATV. If your PS3 blows ATV out of the water and it's sitting unused - why do you ever bother reading this forum?

I think the Apple TV and PS3 are priced similarly now, and that's why it keeps getting brought up. I own both and don't get it either.

The PS3 has practically no interface for viewing media. It doesn't support folders, AAC/MPEG-4 tags, metadata or artwork, etc. There's no music store, podcast support, YouTube or Flickr integration either. In fact, there's no PSN movie/TV show store in any other region except the United States. I believe some parts of Europe are getting a movie-only store soon.

If you like browsing all your media via a clunky, directory-like interface by all means use it. Media playback was clearly an after thought.

The only major advantage the PS3 has over the Apple TV is the fact that it doubles as Blu-ray player and game console and supports additional codecs (DivX and WMV).

randy98mtu
Aug 22, 2009, 10:13 PM
I also don't understand why every other thread here needs to have someone bringing up PS3 and how it's superior to ATV. If your PS3 blows ATV out of the water and it's sitting unused - why do you ever bother reading this forum?

I'm with you. The people with ATV's sitting unused should send them to me, I'll use them. :cool:

hitekalex
Aug 22, 2009, 10:17 PM
If you like browsing all your media via a clunky, directory-like interface by all means use it. Media playback was clearly an after thought.

LOL.. couldn't have said it better. I also used to have PS3 (sold it right before Sony price drop, thank god!), and never understood how anyone could put up with it as a media extender. I only used my PS3 for Blu-ray playback. I now replaced it with Samsung BD-P1600 player (also streams NetFlix and Pandora) - much better BD player than PS3.

The only major advantage the PS3 has over the Apple TV is the fact that it doubles as Blu-ray player and game console and supports additional codecs (DivX and WMV).

It takes all of 15 minutes to run ATV patchstick and install Perian.. and bingo - ATV will play DivX/XviD/MKV and just about anything else. Clearly people who bash ATV don't even take the time to learn and understand all its capabilities.

gugy
Aug 22, 2009, 10:24 PM
AppleTV needs an upgrade big time.
I just want 4 things:

faster processor
support for external drives, so unlimited storage
different codec support
1080p

I hope Apple is really doing something about this issues above.

BORIStheBLADE
Aug 22, 2009, 11:40 PM
All I know is IF they have a new Atv and if it lacks certain codec support I just hope it is easily hacked. If it plays my .MKV's out of the box I will be happy.

I won't hold my breath though.

uberamd
Aug 22, 2009, 11:55 PM
I also don't understand why every other thread here needs to have someone bringing up PS3 and how it's superior to ATV. If your PS3 blows ATV out of the water and it's sitting unused - why do you ever bother reading this forum?

Because it comes up when you press the New Posts button, and its entirely relevant as I do own an Apple TV, and was the biggest supporter of the device for the longest time.

I think the Apple TV and PS3 are priced similarly now, and that's why it keeps getting brought up. I own both and don't get it either.

The PS3 has practically no interface for viewing media. It doesn't support folders, AAC/MPEG-4 tags, metadata or artwork, etc. There's no music store, podcast support, YouTube or Flickr integration either. In fact, there's no PSN movie/TV show store in any other region except the United States. I believe some parts of Europe are getting a movie-only store soon.

If you like browsing all your media via a clunky, directory-like interface by all means use it. Media playback was clearly an after thought.

The only major advantage the PS3 has over the Apple TV is the fact that it doubles as Blu-ray player and game console and supports additional codecs (DivX and WMV).

If you buy your TV shows and movies then the ATV is a good choice. But the fact is that converting all of my downloaded content to media that the Apple TV can play is a tiring task. The PS3 may have folders, but WHO CARES? Anyone who has the smallest bit of organizational skills can put their content into folders. For example I have a external drive that has folders "TV Shows -> The Simpsons -> Season 1", etc. How is that at all hard to browse through? That is easy as pie. I don't need stupid thumbnails to see my content, its titled as exactly what it is. And I have the nice PS3 remote instead of the garbage one Apple gives us.

Its funny you say the only major advantage the PS3 has over the ATV is blu-ray and codecs. Thats a HUGE FREAKING ADVANTAGE. How about the fact that it is also a gaming console? And playing blu-ray is a major plus for HD-TV owners. Oh, and codec support is amazing also. Thats the thing I hated the MOST about the ATV was spending countless hours converting shows and tying up my computer. So long to that. So long to the Apple TV NOT having folders and instead dumping hundreds of shows into a giant folder called "TV Shows" requiring me to spend a load of time scrolling vertically through the list to find the show I want. The PS3 blows the ATV out of the water in every aspect besides paying for shows via iTunes. Sorry, but thats the truth.

killerxxx14
Aug 23, 2009, 12:19 AM
out of the 6 stores near me only one had them and it was $249.99

OZMP
Aug 23, 2009, 12:45 AM
I think the Apple TV and PS3 are priced similarly now, and that's why it keeps getting brought up. I own both and don't get it either.

The PS3 has practically no interface for viewing media. It doesn't support folders, AAC/MPEG-4 tags, metadata or artwork, etc. There's no music store, podcast support, YouTube or Flickr integration either. In fact, there's no PSN movie/TV show store in any other region except the United States. I believe some parts of Europe are getting a movie-only store soon.

If you like browsing all your media via a clunky, directory-like interface by all means use it. Media playback was clearly an after thought.

The only major advantage the PS3 has over the Apple TV is the fact that it doubles as Blu-ray player and game console and supports additional codecs (DivX and WMV).

I would have an ATV aswell as my PS3 if I could just point it too the HDD of movies instead of having to put them all into iTunes... That is the only reason I use the PS3. Does the ATV now output true HD or does it still only output 720p which needs upscaling?(been out of this section for a year) I want to use the PS3 only for bluray and leave it powered off instead of on standby, as it isnt the most power efficient thing out there. The other option is a new slimline PS3...

hitekalex
Aug 23, 2009, 01:17 AM
codec support is amazing also. Thats the thing I hated the MOST about the ATV was spending countless hours converting shows and tying up my computer.

Well, maybe you should have invested a few of those "countless hours" researching the possibilities of what ATV is capable of. Install Perian, and all of a sudden ATV can play all those codecs your beloved PS3 can and more. I have all sorts of content (DVD/BD rips, torrent downloads, EyeTV recordings), and I never have to transcode anything to play on ATV.

So long to the Apple TV NOT having folders and instead dumping hundreds of shows into a giant folder called "TV Shows" requiring me to spend a load of time scrolling vertically through the list to find the show I want.

Ever heard of metadata tags? Since v2.2, ATV can group the TV shows by title/season/episode. As long as you have everything properly tagged. Which in my opinion is the proper way to organize your content, rather than relying on folders. But if you insist on folder structure, there is a great add-on called ATV Files. No iTunes needed.

The PS3 blows the ATV out of the water in every aspect besides paying for shows via iTunes. Sorry, but thats the truth.

It's certainly NOT the truth - just your opinion. Which you're certainly entitled to.. However, the title of this thread is "Apple TV Shortage", not "PS3 versus Apple TV". So your trying to convince everyone of PS3 merits is a bit irrelevant to the whole discussion.

MacBlackBook22
Aug 23, 2009, 02:20 AM
Well hopefully you won't feel disappointed about your purchase if something new and improved is announced in a couple of weeks.

I won't be disappointed I am happy with the current version. I mainly wanted it for playing all my music stored in itunes to my home theater set up, which its doing beautifully. I don't think I would be renting movies from the itunes store as I can do that cheaper through my cable box in HD.

uberamd
Aug 23, 2009, 09:49 AM
Well, maybe you should have invested a few of those "countless hours" researching the possibilities of what ATV is capable of. Install Perian, and all of a sudden ATV can play all those codecs your beloved PS3 can and more. I have all sorts of content (DVD/BD rips, torrent downloads, EyeTV recordings), and I never have to transcode anything to play on ATV.


Oh, you mean hack the device to add that functionality? Yeah, thats a lovely device that you need to modify it to make things work properly.

And sorry, but when you have 1000's of episodes of shows and movies you are not going to go through and tag each one. No way.

Keep saying the ATV > than the PS3 all you want. Cost per feature, ATV loses every time. And as I said I loved my ATV until I got a PS3 recently and realized how much the ATV actually sucked. You just haven't been enlightened yet.

And most people know me here as the person who defends Apple about everything, so this is not the norm of my feelings towards Apple stuff, but the current ATV and its crappy remote as well as lack of codecs without a 3rd party hack is a total dud.

PsyD4Me
Aug 23, 2009, 10:01 AM
I love my Apple TV, i don't know why people complain so much about it....
no 1080? big deal... unless you want to see every blackhead on people's faces.
for that you can have a PS3 with BluRay
I bought my apple TV for convenience and the fact that I can also sync it with my mac and my iphone

NightStorm
Aug 23, 2009, 10:19 AM
And sorry, but when you have 1000's of episodes of shows and movies you are not going to go through and tag each one. No way.

I currently have 2082 TV shows episodes and 245 movies in my iTunes library; all tagged correctly. It's not that hard.

All this while my PS3 hasn't been turned on since I beat MGS4 many months ago.

dbwie
Aug 23, 2009, 10:26 AM
:apple:TV is great. I'm hoping for an update that allows streaming of live content, and opening up the USB port to connect an external hard drive that allows for easy expandability of storage.

There is no way it is being discontinued.

jaw04005
Aug 23, 2009, 10:52 AM
Its funny you say the only major advantage the PS3 has over the ATV is blu-ray and codecs. Thats a HUGE FREAKING ADVANTAGE. How about the fact that it is also a gaming console?

I said that in the exact post you quoted. Nothing you mentioned hasn't been brought up and debated over and over in the Apple TV vs. PS3 threads.

Anyway, back on topic ...

I would have an ATV aswell as my PS3 if I could just point it too the HDD of movies instead of having to put them all into iTunes... That is the only reason I use the PS3. Does the ATV now output true HD or does it still only output 720p which needs upscaling?(been out of this section for a year) I want to use the PS3 only for bluray and leave it powered off instead of on standby, as it isnt the most power efficient thing out there. The other option is a new slimline PS3...

You haven't missed anything since the Apple TV hasn't been updated in the last year anyway. What's "true HD"? 1080p? Yes, the Apple TV can output 1080p. However, it won't play back 1080p files at all or 720p files that have over 25 FPS.

BORIStheBLADE
Aug 23, 2009, 10:56 AM
I love my Apple TV, i don't know why people complain so much about it....
no 1080? big deal... unless you want to see every blackhead on people's faces.
for that you can have a PS3 with BluRay
I bought my apple TV for convenience and the fact that I can also sync it with my mac and my iphone



The complaining is mostly the files it doesn't play and the 1080p thing.

The thing is who is going to spend the time in encoding blue ray 1080p to a file that the appletv will play?

If they are talking about 1080p from itunes thats a different story, but how long is it going to take downloading a 1080p file and what kind of quailty is it going to be.

zedsdead
Aug 23, 2009, 11:18 AM
My two biggest complaints are the following:

(1) Navigation Speed - the Apple TV is FAR TOO SLOW. Can be fixed with a decent processor.

(2) 1080P - Now that Blu-Ray Ripping is coming to OS-X with MakeMKV, I plan to jump into that realm as I have done with DVD's via Handbrake, but I really don't want to rip everything to 720p only to have to then rip it to 1080p once the hardware allows. Once is enough.

Two most wanted features:

(1) DVR

(2) App Store

Wondercow
Aug 23, 2009, 11:23 AM
And sorry, but when you have 1000's of episodes of shows and movies you are not going to go through and tag each one. No way.
Maybe you're not going to, but please don't generalize; there are a lot of us who do so that we can reap the benefits. Besides, there are tools out there that automate much of the process.

taparker
Aug 23, 2009, 11:32 AM
AppleTV needs an upgrade big time.
I just want 4 things:

faster processor
support for external drives, so unlimited storage
different codec support
1080p

I hope Apple is really doing something about this issues above.

Add to that:
-Netflix support
-Hulu Support
-DVR capibiiities with a guide (maybe integrated service with MMe)
-Better Remote than just the crappy little Mac one.
-Blu Ray player (ripper??) or at least a DVD player
-Services like PLEX. I like how you can get internet plug ins to get content from different websites all in one interface.

Apple needs to get away from iTunes only content to be relevant to most people. No one I know rents movies from iTunes when they can go to a red box and rent for a quarter the price. Or rent from Netflix and have unlimited DVDs for the monthly fee.

Its a wish list but i dont think most, if any of it, will happen. But hopefully an update at lease or else I will be trying to set up a mac mini media center set up around xmas

jaw04005
Aug 23, 2009, 11:34 AM
(2) App Store

I would be happy with just the App Store. Let El Gato create the DVR application. :)

Tilpots
Aug 23, 2009, 02:38 PM
I would be happy with just the App Store. Let El Gato create the DVR application. :)

It's impossible to have a DVR application without the proper hardware.

mrparet
Aug 23, 2009, 03:02 PM
This is going to sound made up, but I know the previous Apple TV product manager. Development has not ceased. He won't tell me what's coming; only that we can expect something.

skye12
Aug 23, 2009, 03:08 PM
Sounds as though a new model will be coming out as per the analyst
at Pacific Crest. One with possible BR support and an included DVR of
some sort. September 9th maybe.

hitekalex
Aug 23, 2009, 05:52 PM
And sorry, but when you have 1000's of episodes of shows and movies you are not going to go through and tag each one. No way.

Just because you're too lazy to properly organize your library - doesn't mean the rest of us are. I have over 10,000 titles in my iTunes library - every one is properly tagged. Which makes navigating through AppleTV and iTunes a joy. Have fun with crappy PS3 cross-media bar interface and folders circa 2001.

Keep saying the ATV > than the PS3 all you want. Cost per feature, ATV loses every time. And as I said I loved my ATV until I got a PS3 recently and realized how much the ATV actually sucked. You just haven't been enlightened yet.

Don't make me laugh. I have had PS3 since it originally came out - hacked the heck out of it. Had Yellow Dog Linux running on it and the whole nine yards. PS3 a fine gaming machine, but a mediocre media extender in my opinion, and it has nothing on Apple TV.

Anyway as I said before - this thread (and forum) has nothing to do with PS3. You like PS3 better? Great, but honestly I could care less. So let's get back on topic of Apple TV, shall we?

GottaLoveApple4
Aug 23, 2009, 10:21 PM
I just wish they would add an App Store and the ability to directly read off of the Time Capsule, but the latter is not as much of an issue anymore since I got a new MacBook Pro with a hard drive I can fit everything on. The App Store would improve the capabilities two-fold just as it has on the iPhone and then make the new Internet TVs with widgets pointless. I'm hoping for a firmware upgrade or preferably a hardware upgrade on September 9th.:D

P.S. It's not getting discontinued by any means... Remember Apple said they would continue to invest in it?

uberamd
Aug 23, 2009, 10:43 PM
Just because you're too lazy to properly organize your library - doesn't mean the rest of us are. I have over 10,000 titles in my iTunes library - every one is properly tagged. Which makes navigating through AppleTV and iTunes a joy. Have fun with crappy PS3 cross-media bar interface and folders circa 2001.



Don't make me laugh. I have had PS3 since it originally came out - hacked the heck out of it. Had Yellow Dog Linux running on it and the whole nine yards. PS3 a fine gaming machine, but a mediocre media extender in my opinion, and it has nothing on Apple TV.

Anyway as I said before - this thread (and forum) has nothing to do with PS3. You like PS3 better? Great, but honestly I could care less. So let's get back on topic of Apple TV, shall we?

Fine, lets let the popularity of the ATV speak for itself :rolleyes:

mastershakess
Aug 23, 2009, 11:03 PM
The PS3 has practically no interface for viewing media. It doesn't support folders, AAC/MPEG-4 tags, metadata or artwork, etc. There's no music store, podcast support, YouTube or Flickr integration either. In fact, there's no PSN movie/TV show store in any other region except the United States. I believe some parts of Europe are getting a movie-only store soon.


My external hard drive has two folders inside:
-Movies
-TV Shows

Within each folder are other folders that break out the selections within Movies and TV Shows. Every TV shows has its own folder and every season inside has its own folder. So don't tell me PS3 doesn't support folders.

In my opinion, for the average joe the PS3 is quicker and easier to use. No hacking, no installing, no syncing libraries, don't have to add everything to itunes, and full out of the box capabilities. You can take your PS3 right out of the box and play any movie file you may have on it right away. For most people this is superior and easier. I never said the ATV was bad, it just needs an update (ITS SO OUTDATED!!!!)

jaw04005
Aug 23, 2009, 11:46 PM
So don't tell me PS3 doesn't support folders.

Sigh.

Those are folders that you created yourself via a computer on your external hard drive.

Try copying your movie to the PS3 hard drive. It doesn't have folders except the default "group" options. Oddly enough, the PSP just got true folder support in the latest update. So, maybe it'll come to the PS3 someday. However, the PSP got iTunes tagging support for AAC files over a year ago and we still haven't seen that on the PS3.

I do give Sony props for the cool scene search though.

Here (Sorry for the crappy pictures, iPhone's camera was handy):

blizaine
Aug 24, 2009, 07:29 AM
Fine, lets let the popularity of the ATV speak for itself :rolleyes:

So by that rationale you're saying that Windows is better than Mac too?

Tilpots
Aug 24, 2009, 07:42 AM
So by that rationale you're saying that Windows is better than Mac too?

Poor logic. He's saying that sales-wise the AppleTV is a disaster. And he's right. Check the numbers.

MikeDTyke
Aug 24, 2009, 07:53 AM
Poor logic. He's saying that sales-wise the AppleTV is a disaster. And he's right. Check the numbers.

Bit of a pointless argument as Apple haven't released any numbers. All you have to go on is few Analyst estimates, which i thought were pretty optimistic.

Point is no one is selling media extenders by the million, it's all in the hundreds of thousands. That's right i'm including PS3 and xbox 360, because its a tiny percentage of those that get setup with a PC to stream media.

Hence the 'hobby' tag applies to everyone, not just aapl.

Lets get back on topic, which was if there's such a shortage of ATV's what the frak is going on?

mastershakess
Aug 24, 2009, 07:54 AM
Sigh.

Those are folders that you created yourself via a computer on your external hard drive.

Try copying your movie to the PS3 hard drive. It doesn't have folders except the default "group" options. Oddly enough, the PSP just got true folder support in the latest update. So, maybe it'll come to the PS3 someday. However, the PSP got iTunes tagging support for AAC files over a year ago and we still haven't seen that on the PS3.

I do give Sony props for the cool scene search though.

Here (Sorry for the crappy pictures, iPhone's camera was handy):

I realize this, but I was trying to compare the external HDD for the PS3 to the synced itunes (from a computer) to the ATV. I doubt everyone saves movies, music, pictures to their ATV so I would say most sync their itunes library to them. In my eyes I can make my external HDD as organized as itunes for viewing movies, pictures and music on my PS3. It takes a minute to transfer a movie to my external HDD and then I simply plug it into my PS3, where I can play it instantly, without load times or syncing issues.

randy98mtu
Aug 24, 2009, 08:01 AM
Just thought this was interesting. Go to the Apple Store and pick on Apple TV. You can't pick which one to buy. This is after the "Snow Leopard" store update.

Nimiety
Aug 24, 2009, 08:01 AM
Add to that:
-Netflix support
-Hulu Support
-DVR capibiiities with a guide (maybe integrated service with MMe)
-Better Remote than just the crappy little Mac one.
-Blu Ray player (ripper??) or at least a DVD player
-Services like PLEX. I like how you can get internet plug ins to get content from different websites all in one interface.

No. None of this will happen if you really think about what the appletv is and how it fits in with the corporate strategy.

Netflix and hulu take money out of apple's pocket via iTunes sales. Not going to happen.

Dvr? Maybe, but there are many intricacies and the cannibalizing aspect that tell me this is unlikely. How will this investment on apple's part make them money against the iTunes losses?

Better remote? Hello? Update your appletv lately? That's just ignorance.

Bluray or DVD player doesn't belong in the appletv (if you look at things from the perspective of apple's product line). It belongs in the iTunes "server". The latter seems to be a given considering the leaks.

Plex? What would Apple themselves sponsoring an alternate interface say? Never.

As to the other thoughts, yes, I think a bump in processing power is logical: it allows for 1080 processing, a more responsive interface, and allows appletv apps controllable with the remote software on iPhones and touches (ever notice that the control screen acts much like a wii controller??)

Additional codecs? Yes, that would be nice, but seeing as a vanilla system can't play some without perian (a third party solution), I don't think this will happen.

As to the potential refresh itself, if iTunes allows bluray, it's logical that the key platforms interacting with the content would as well: imacs, mac pros, macbook pros, maybe the minis, and the appletv. But would all this happen in September (typically a small iPod-focused event)? This would seem to be a major product line refresh, right?

Nonetheless, if Steve Jobs is coming back to do the keynote, they may save up enough pomp and circumstance to make it huge...

mastershakess
Aug 24, 2009, 08:04 AM
Just thought this was interesting. Go to the Apple Store and pick on Apple TV. You can't pick which one to buy. This is after the "Snow Leopard" store update.

this is getting interesting :)

MikeDTyke
Aug 24, 2009, 08:08 AM
If they offered a simplistic SDK that allowed web widgets and services like Hulu/iPlayer to build their own channel with whatever codec/drm suited them i think we'd see a huge take off in AppleTV sales.

Not saying it would be likely, just that if you were more interested in the income from hardware sales than the pittance the iTunes store brings in, that'd be the way i'd go.

TheCheapGeek
Aug 24, 2009, 08:11 AM
Just thought this was interesting. Go to the Apple Store and pick on Apple TV. You can't pick which one to buy. This is after the "Snow Leopard" store update.

Wow your right, it looks to me like you cant even buy one. There is defiantly a refresh coming soon. I cant think of any new features that I want though, except the ability to stream directly from a server, rather than a running copy of iTunes.

Nimiety
Aug 24, 2009, 08:13 AM
Brave prediction (thinking further about the above):
-Steve Jobs does the keynote
-Bluray support is announced for iTunes
-Bluray is added to the entire desktop line (as an option at the least)
-Bluray is not added to the portable line yet, will by the end of the year (Nov)
-Appletv hardware update to support 1080p content
-Entire iPod line updated for size but not style

Now, it's time to wait.... :)

MikeDTyke
Aug 24, 2009, 08:17 AM
With the references to bluray in iTunes appearing, i suspect what they are referring to is 'bluray managed copies'.

This means that from an internet linked bluray player you can copy a version of the movie to a portable device for playback.

This would be fantastic addition for an enhanced AppleTV, ie. either copying a bluray disk to the AppleTV hard drive or streaming from an iTunes media Server... :cool:

I'm not entirely sure on the technical limitations, resolution, audio options etc, but i'm wicked keen to find out.

zedsdead
Aug 24, 2009, 08:19 AM
This is great news that the Apple TV is not available for purchase!

A smell a refresh coming.:D Finally!

MikeDTyke
Aug 24, 2009, 08:20 AM
I just selected a 160GB AppleTV in the uk store and it allows me to get all the way to the check out with a delivery of 24hrs... :(

It may have been a glitch....

zedsdead
Aug 24, 2009, 08:22 AM
I just selected a 160GB AppleTV in the uk store and it allows me to get all the way to the check out with a delivery of 24hrs... :(

It may have been a glitch....

Blast:mad:

Nimiety
Aug 24, 2009, 08:25 AM
Blast:mad:

Confirmed in Canada as well, although my iPhone browsing still looks odd (variable missing in shopping step).

randy98mtu
Aug 24, 2009, 08:29 AM
US store is still not letting me pick anything. Could just be a glitch. Could mean something coming today, in 2 weeks, or never. I just hope they do something. I want to buy another one and I'm getting tired of waiting! If they don't refresh it, I will probably spend a week researching Mac Mini and Plex, but I think I'll end up with another 40 gig ATV.

Tilpots
Aug 24, 2009, 08:49 AM
Bit of a pointless argument as Apple haven't released any numbers. All you have to go on is few Analyst estimates, which i thought were pretty optimistic.

Point is no one is selling media extenders by the million, it's all in the hundreds of thousands. That's right i'm including PS3 and xbox 360, because its a tiny percentage of those that get setup with a PC to stream media.

Hence the 'hobby' tag applies to everyone, not just aapl.

Lets get back on topic, which was if there's such a shortage of ATV's what the frak is going on?

Care to back up your statements? Millions of PS3s and Xboxs HAVE been sold. If the AppleTV had sold millions, we'd hear about, just like Apple does with every other successful product.

Just thought this was interesting. Go to the Apple Store and pick on Apple TV. You can't pick which one to buy. This is after the "Snow Leopard" store update.

Saw the same thing! UPDATE! UPDATE!!!:)

TheCheapGeek
Aug 24, 2009, 08:50 AM
I also hope they don't discontinue, I don't believe that they will but even though the Apple TV isn't perfect for everyone, I love both of mine and would like to purchase two more in the near future. I also hope that if a new version is released that it plays nicely with the older model.

designgeek
Aug 24, 2009, 09:00 AM
The store was really glitchy a bit ago. I went to look at a keyboard and there was only one item in each section of the store. Plus there was only one MBP in the refurb store, nothing else but it all seems to be back up and running.

randy98mtu
Aug 24, 2009, 09:02 AM
The store was really glitchy a bit ago. I went to look at a keyboard and there was only one item in each section of the store. Plus there was only one MBP in the refurb store, nothing else but it all seems to be back up and running.

You're right that everything was screwy. And now you can order an ATV again. Still hoping for the update though!

MikeDTyke
Aug 24, 2009, 09:11 AM
Care to back up your statements? Millions of PS3s and Xboxs HAVE been sold. If the AppleTV had sold millions, we'd hear about, just like Apple does with every other successful product.


First of all, read the whole freaking statement. I don't dispute they've sold millions, i'm just saying millions aren't being used as media extenders.

Sure if they had've sold millions we probably would heard about it, i don't dispute that either.

You are an utter fail at comprehension.

Tilpots
Aug 24, 2009, 09:26 AM
First of all, read the whole freaking statement. I don't dispute they've sold millions, i'm just saying millions aren't being used as media extenders.

Sure if they had've sold millions we probably would heard about it, i don't dispute that either.

You are an utter fail at comprehension.

I understand perfectly well that what you wrote is wrong. Re-read you're statements and stop name calling.

MikeDTyke
Aug 24, 2009, 09:29 AM
I understand perfectly well that what you wrote is wrong. Re-read you're statements and stop name calling.

Explain yourself then.

freep
Aug 24, 2009, 10:24 AM
If they offered a simplistic SDK that allowed web widgets and services like Hulu/iPlayer to build their own channel with whatever codec/drm suited them i think we'd see a huge take off in AppleTV sales.

Not saying it would be likely, just that if you were more interested in the income from hardware sales than the pittance the iTunes store brings in, that'd be the way i'd go.

I agree - an app store to add channels to the apple tv (like the Wii does) would make it so much more powerful. A full SDK is unnecessary considering the remote provided!

Allowing users to add channels such as Hulu and BBC iPlayer would make this product more than a hobby.

musukosan
Aug 24, 2009, 10:44 AM
It's not going away for three reasons:

1. Apple discussed at WWDC its primary goal for Snow Leopard was to unify the Mac, iPhone, iPod and Apple TV platforms.

2. Apple TV is Apple's only living room device.

3. Apple TV's sales were up 300 percent in Q1 '09 over Q1 '08 without a price drop or major software upgrade.

Additionally, Snow Leopard includes two new features for Apple TV owners, a new export/sharing wizard in QuickTime X and the ability for your AirPort or Time Capsule to wake your Mac up to sync with Apple TV. So, Apple is still building out O/S features to be used in conjunction with the Apple TV.

And Tim Cook has said repeatedly that while the Apple TV remains a hobby they would continue to invest in it.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/01/21/apple_tv_sales_rise_300_will_see_continued_investment.html


Thank you.

musukosan
Aug 24, 2009, 10:46 AM
No one I know rents movies from iTunes when they can go to a red box and rent for a quarter the price. Or rent from Netflix and have unlimited DVDs for the monthly fee.


Uh, I do. Now you know someone. :)

musukosan
Aug 24, 2009, 10:53 AM
Just thought this was interesting. Go to the Apple Store and pick on Apple TV. You can't pick which one to buy. This is after the "Snow Leopard" store update.


I think it's just a qwerk. iMac page was having problems too. I think it was the whole site after the SL update. Both seem to working fine now. You can order an ATV right now.

uberamd
Aug 24, 2009, 01:09 PM
Uh, I do. Now you know someone. :)

haha nice. I did rent a movie or two off of my Apple TV, but it was $4 each, ouch. I could have gone to the Red Box for $1 and gotten the same movie, and for an additional $0 I could have kept it (thanks to my DVD burner :))

First of all, read the whole freaking statement. I don't dispute they've sold millions, i'm just saying millions aren't being used as media extenders.


And if you went up to someone with a PS3 or 360 and showed them how to use it as a media extender, not one of those people would buy a Apple TV. Especially with Netflix integration in the 360.

The Apple TV needs a major revamp to become a key player.

gugy
Aug 24, 2009, 01:12 PM
Come on Apple!
Bring the new AppleTV soon. I want a new media center and the current AppleTV is old and outdate. Mac Mini is great, but too overkill and expensive for what I need. Do it Apple, do it! ;)

blizaine
Aug 24, 2009, 02:08 PM
Did you guys see this blurb at the bottom of the snow leopard page?
http://www.apple.com/macosx/refinements/

"More efficient file sharing.

The Bonjour technology in every Mac makes file and media sharing virtually effortless. Now Bonjour in Snow Leopard makes sharing more energy efficient. If you have a computer in your home or office that shares files ó like media files for your Apple TV ó you have to leave the computer on all the time, which isnít very energy efficient. With Snow Leopard and a compatible AirPort Extreme or Time Capsule base station, however, your computer can go to sleep yet continue to share its files with other computers and devices, waking when you need it and sleeping when you donít."


That will be awesome!

yancey47
Aug 24, 2009, 02:18 PM
Does that mean that I could stream without waking the computer up? Or does it mean that the computer would "wake up" when connecting and stay awake while streaming?

randy98mtu
Aug 24, 2009, 02:38 PM
Did you guys see this blurb at the bottom of the snow leopard page?
http://www.apple.com/macosx/refinements/

"More efficient file sharing.


I think that has been known for a while. Now I have to decide if the energy savings would justify buying a Time Capsule. Double the price for a 2TB drive is hard to justify in energy savings terms...

jaw04005
Aug 24, 2009, 03:08 PM
Does that mean that I could stream without waking the computer up? Or does it mean that the computer would "wake up" when connecting and stay awake while streaming?

The latter.

Support document attached.

Shuttleworth
Aug 24, 2009, 03:29 PM
That would be good if it woke the computer but not the screen. Ethernet access would be remote so there would probably be no need for the screen to come on, which would make it a bit more efficient.

hitekalex
Aug 24, 2009, 04:08 PM
haha nice. I did rent a movie or two off of my Apple TV, but it was $4 each, ouch. I could have gone to the Red Box for $1 and gotten the same movie, and for an additional $0 I could have kept it (thanks to my DVD burner :))

And that would have been illegal - you're not advocating breaking the law here, are you? ;)

And if you went up to someone with a PS3 or 360 and showed them how to use it as a media extender, not one of those people would buy a Apple TV. Especially with Netflix integration in the 360.

Again with the PS3?? Look, I (and a huge number of others) have 360 and PS3 and still prefer Apple TV as a media extender. So can you please stop saying nonsense like "not one of those people".

And NetFlix in Xbox 360 dashboard requires Live membership, which is $9/month, in addition to normal NetFlix subscription fees. I get NetFlix streaming for free with BD-P1600, which was one of the reasons I dropped PS3.

mastershakess
Aug 24, 2009, 04:13 PM
=hitekalex;8341889
Again with the PS3?? Look, I (and a huge number of others) have 360 and PS3 and still prefer Apple TV as a media extender. So can you please stop saying nonsense like "not one of those people".

And NetFlix in Xbox 360 dashboard requires Live membership, which is $9/month, in addition to normal NetFlix subscription fees. I get NetFlix streaming for free with BD-P1600, which was one of the reasons I dropped PS3.

There isn't a huge number of people that own an :apple:TV, much less own a PS3 and :apple:TV

The new Bonjour technology sounds awesome, and could help the :apple:TV gain some ground! Not having to mess with the computer before using the :apple:TV sounds great to me.

gugy
Aug 24, 2009, 04:34 PM
Does that mean that I could stream without waking the computer up? Or does it mean that the computer would "wake up" when connecting and stay awake while streaming?

That would be nice if you buy a Time Capsule or add an external drive to a existing Airport Extreme. That would solve the small storage issue of AppleTV and the necessity to have the computer on at all times.

hitekalex
Aug 24, 2009, 04:55 PM
That would be nice if you buy a Time Capsule or add an external drive to a existing Airport Extreme. That would solve the small storage issue of AppleTV and the necessity to have the computer on at all times.

Would be nice if this feature did NOT require Airport/Time Capsule. My storage array is directly attached to Mini. All that really needs to happen is for Apple TV to send a WoL packet to wake the Mini for streaming. It doesn't do it today, so this feature is likely to require a firmware upgrade (another reason to believe that Apple TV is going to live on).

gugy
Aug 24, 2009, 05:00 PM
Would be nice if this feature did NOT require Airport/Time Capsule. My storage array is directly attached to Mini. All that really needs to happen is for Apple TV to send a WoL packet to wake the Mini for streaming. It doesn't do it today, so this feature is likely to require a firmware upgrade (another reason to believe that Apple TV is going to live on).

I agreed, I wished AppleTV had support for external drives through it's USB port. But at this point I am taking this solution in case the above doesn't happen on the next revision.
I really do not want to have my computer on to watch anything. Also if there is a way for Time Machine to back up those files on the external drive, that would be sweet.

VirtualRain
Aug 24, 2009, 05:29 PM
For those interested in using a TC for media storage... a word of warning...

I recently purchased a dual-band TC (back in May) and was dismayed to find that reading/writing to the TC drive or one connected to the TC USB port resulted in dismal transfer rates.

TC: 3-5MB/s
Mac to Mac over GigE: 40MB/s

When I asked an Apple "Genius" at the Apple Store about this, they told me that this is normal... apparenty the TC uses absurd QoS settings to throttle transfers to/from the drive so it doesn't kill your network connection for surfing, etc. at the same time as a backup might be running.

Thus IMHO the TC is essentially useless as a general purpose NAS, particularly for HD video. While not great, I guess it would work for audio though.

almostinsane
Aug 24, 2009, 06:19 PM
And NetFlix in Xbox 360 dashboard requires Live membership, which is $9/month, in addition to normal NetFlix subscription fees. I get NetFlix streaming for free with BD-P1600, which was one of the reasons I dropped PS3.
lol, live isn't $9 a month. Netflix on the 360 works awesome. Way better value than renting movies from Apple for their ripoff $4. And the statement that ATV sales are up 300%, another lol, 300% of hardly any sales isn't much.

The ATV was cute at first but it really sucks these days. You are confined to the walled iTunes garden with limited file support. No expandability. This is fine for a phone but for a media extender device its just terrible.

MikeDTyke
Aug 24, 2009, 06:43 PM
And if you went up to someone with a PS3 or 360 and showed them how to use it as a media extender, not one of those people would buy a Apple TV. Especially with Netflix integration in the 360.


Exactly its not a plug n play operation. as long as you need to go through this faff http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/mediacenter/extender/setup/default.mspx

Or find a reliable DLNA server for PS3 and a good supply of video files that PS3 borks on for no apparent reason.

AppleTV may be a walled garden in that you can only use certain codecs. At least their implementation is consistent, reliable and simple to setup.

Their remote is naff and like all the rest they need more and compelling content, but the hope is that Apple is working on both these problems.

Certainly the number of AppleTV patents filed in the last two years would seem to imply its not dead yet. :cool:

almostinsane
Aug 24, 2009, 06:57 PM
Exactly its not a plug n play operation. as long as you need to go through this faff http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/mediacenter/extender/setup/default.mspx

Or find a reliable DLNA server for PS3 and a good supply of video files that PS3 borks on for no apparent reason.

AppleTV may be a walled garden in that you can only use certain codecs. At least their implementation is consistent, reliable and simple to setup.

Their remote is naff and like all the rest they need more and compelling content, but the hope is that Apple is working on both these problems.

Certainly the number of AppleTV patents filed in the last two years would seem to imply its not dead yet. :cool:

Obviously you have never set up a 360 to stream from Vista or Win7. Its the same as setting up an Apple TV. Turn on the 360, enter a 6 digit code on the Vista/Win7 PC to pair the 360 and your done. And Win7 allows the 360 to play almost every codec, it trancodes the video it can't play on the fly. MKV's/M4V's/MP4/AVI/MOV all play on the 360.

MikeDTyke
Aug 24, 2009, 07:28 PM
Obviously you have never set up a 360 to stream from Vista or Win7. Its the same as setting up an Apple TV. Turn on the 360, enter a 6 digit code on the Vista/Win7 PC to pair the 360 and your done. And Win7 allows the 360 to play almost every codec, it trancodes the video it can't play on the fly. MKV's/M4V's/MP4/AVI/MOV all play on the 360.

I hadn't got the chance to setup a 360 against a newer windows so that's interesting. Though i have had a chance to play with transcode 360 and the native windows 7 transcoding. To say these formats all play is a bit disingenous. The truth is sometimes and always with degraded audio. Forget 5.1.

transcode 360 is a bit better and has been around in the market a little longer, but on the fly transcoding is not a realistic solution. Either transcode ahead of time or install native codecs.

As i'm sure it's been mentioned in this thread, perian is a beautiful thing and you'll pull my AppleTV from my cold dead fingers before i use my PS3 as a media extender or worse buy living room jumpjet noise simulator.

Seriously this is an Apple forum, in a thread regarding a potential new AppleTV and all you whiners are doing is bitching about how the current one doesn't do this or that and how one of the consoles works for you. Whoop dee doo. I'm happy for you, now fork off and let us get back on topic.

Tilpots
Aug 24, 2009, 08:38 PM
Seriously this is an Apple forum, in a thread regarding a potential new AppleTV and all you whiners are doing is bitching about how the current one doesn't do this or that and how one of the consoles works for you. Whoop dee doo. I'm happy for you, now fork off and let us get back on topic.

The shortcomings of the AppleTV are the topic. Hence the reason we all want it updated.

BORIStheBLADE
Aug 24, 2009, 11:29 PM
Obviously you have never set up a 360 to stream from Vista or Win7. Its the same as setting up an Apple TV. Turn on the 360, enter a 6 digit code on the Vista/Win7 PC to pair the 360 and your done. And Win7 allows the 360 to play almost every codec, it trancodes the video it can't play on the fly. MKV's/M4V's/MP4/AVI/MOV all play on the 360.

Sorry, but I don't want my desktop to do transcoding for me. Thats going to use up cpu. What if your using the computer and your kids or wife are watching movies? Not really practical. Thats why I stopped using my 360 for streaming.