Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger) Screenshots... Real?

[MacRumors]

Yesterday a number of screenshots (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/06/20040626041303.shtml) purporting to be from a developer's release of Mac OS X 10.4 made their way onto the internet.

While sources have been unable to directly confirm the validity of the images depicted, we have been able to get reliable confirmation that many of the concepts depicted -- including the Safari RSS implementation as well as the Konfabulator-like widget plug in system -- should find their way into Mac OS X 10.4.

Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger) will be previewed this next week at Apple's World Wide Developer's Conference.

[DMann]

Yesterday a number of screenshots (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/06/20040626041303.shtml) purporting to be from a developer's release of Mac OS X 10.4 made their way onto the internet.

While sources have been unable to directly confirm the validity of the images depicted, we have been able to get reliable confirmation that many of the concepts depicted -- including the Safari RSS implementation as well as the Konfabulator-like widget plug in system -- should find their way into Mac OS X 10.4.

Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger) will be previewed this next week at Apple's World Wide Developer's Conference.

Really???

[arn]

that's the latest word....

guess we'll see...

arn

[DMann]

Yesterday a number of screenshots (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/06/20040626041303.shtml) purporting to be from a developer's release of Mac OS X 10.4 made their way onto the internet.

While sources have been unable to directly confirm the validity of the images depicted, we have been able to get reliable confirmation that many of the concepts depicted -- including the Safari RSS implementation as well as the Konfabulator-like widget plug in system -- should find their way into Mac OS X 10.4.

Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger) will be previewed this next week at Apple's World Wide Developer's Conference.

So far, it looks good for a start, but why gadgets? They look so
Windoze.....

[applekid]

I'd use those gadgets. It's a question how easily can I customize them and how easy it for a new-user to access.

It's 3:30 in the morning EST time. Maybe I should sleep some... "Innovation never sleeps." ;)

[amols]

They don't seem real. The Expose dashboard looks weird. We'll soon know.

[DMann]

I'd use those gadgets. It's a question how easily can I customize them and how easy it for a new-user to access.

It's 3:30 in the morning EST time. Maybe I should sleep some... "Innovation never sleeps." ;)

In the Jungle, the Mighty Jungle,
the Lion Sleeps tonight..... No
Tiger sleeping there..... ;)

[Finiksa]

So far, it looks good for a start, but why gadgets? They look so
Windoze.....

Really? I've never seen anything like Konfabulator/Dashboard on a Windows system.

[DMann]

Really? I've never seen anything like Konfabulator/Dashboard on a Windows system.

True, but the clock design struck a similarity to
the preview of Longhorn v.000000000001

[mj_1903]

True, but the clock design struck a similarity to
the preview of Longhorn v.000000000001

Sadly I agree with you. That's one feature I will not be using.

[MacinDoc]

So far, it looks good for a start, but why gadgets? They look so
Windoze.....
Agreed, those gadgets seem to lack the typical polish of Apple products. I smell a rat.

[Finiksa]

Sadly I agree with you. That's one feature I will not be using.
Wow! The clock was the thing I liked best about it. If it's able to display other time zones I'd be using it constantly.

The one thing I dislike about Konfabulator is I haven't been able to find a decent world clock.

[Sped]

I don't know that I have a very long wish list for 10.4. I am pretty darn happy with 10.3 as a whole. If anything, I wish Safari's update cycle was quicker. 10.3 is awesome, but even though I use Safari almost exclusively, I really wish that Safari loaded ALL internet sites correctly (an impossible order I know). I also wish it worked better with the Media Player plug-in, or better yet, Quicktime started running more typically PC-friendly video CODECs.

One more thing on the wish list is an update to iChat. It would be nice if iChat became a kind of interpreter for multiple IM clients. Wouldn't it be awesome to be able to chat with your AIM, MSN, and Yahoo buddies using a single app?

By the way, what is RSS?

[GorillaPaws]

They don't seem real. The Expose dashboard looks weird. We'll soon know.

this is just an early build (if not a complete photoshop fabrication), so it may become more aquaesque over time?

[nagromme]

One thing I do like--the way the toolbar is just part of the Prefs window title bar. That would like really nice in Mail, for instance.

The small "weirdnesses" I can keep an open mind about--it's a TEST version.

The BIG issue of the widgets looking weird and non-Apple... that's pretty hard to get past. (Unless those really ARE known Konfabulator widgets, and they happen to work with Apple's new system but are not BY Apple. Anyone recognize any of them specifically?)

[paulypants]

Konfabulator 1.7 is out...

http://www.konfabulator.com/

Konspose and dashboard...hmmm...

[Finiksa]

One thing I do like--the way the toolbar is just part of the Prefs window title bar.
I'm not very impressed with this, I like dropping my most used Prefs up the top which doesn't look possible in this version. If I'm wrong then it doesn't seem too bad a change.

[Punani]

By the way, what is RSS?

Really Simple Syndication.

It's nothing more than an XML file that supporting programs interpret into basically a headline feed, often with a small summary.

Example programs are NetNewsWire, OmniWeb, Safari (Soon ;)). Coincidentally there are Konfabulator widgets for this (I hope that "Dashboard" will be extremely easy to write widgets for!).

[amols]

Why System Prefs have a search field :confused: . Is it really hard to find what you are looking for in that window ??

[LethalWolfe]

Why System Prefs have a search field :confused: . Is it really hard to find what you are looking for in that window ??

Maybe if you don't know where to go to do what you want to do?


Lethal

[MhzDoesMatter]

When the gods wish to punish us, they give us exactly what we want. Perhaps Tiger's development was influenced by the rain dance of most users who lamented over being "forced" to upgrade every year for exciting new features. Soon they'll be made with the same degree of "force" to upgrade for rather boring ones.

-Hertz

[G4-power]

Those widgets, and especially the dasboard with the "X" (Close window?) looks so Windoze. I hope this isn't what we're going to see, but the idea is nice.

[aswitcher]

Well I am glad to see some supporting rumors for a Konfabulator like tool in OSX. I like the idea of being able to write my own simple code and use quartz extreme interfaces.

[ChrisH3677]

if OSX does sport widgets, I hope Apple will set up a system so widget developers can make some money for their efforts. At the moment, developing Konfabulator widgets is done for the love of it - but sells much K for the guys who produced K.
Maybe an iTMS style shop where widgets can be downloaded for $1 ea with 3 day demo versions. (with widgets, 3 days is plenty of time to decide if you like it or not).

BTW The concept of dashboard presented by these screenshots didn't appeal, but if they are used context sensitvely like some are saying, they could be pretty cool.

[rendezvouscp]

This is getting really weird. First, they seem real. Then they are for sure not real. Now, there's so many friggin' screenshots, it seems real, or at least the concepts are real! Well, I hope that the dashboard is done the Apple way, then it'll probably be good. But I don't like the current shots. Hm, we'll see in about 30 hours.
–Chase

[Longey Nowze]

maybe just maybe these are themes? maybe Apple is making it easy(ier) to make themes for OS X? the weird colours the weird shapes and stuff?!

just a thought
MaT

[italianmacboy]

If you try to compare the screenshots of tiger with the same things on Panther you see that they are equal, so i think that someone has modified some screenshots of Panther, changing the name "Panther" Into Tiger
:mad:

[blank1]

The PDF is a fake as well. Apple does their documentation in FrameMaker and uses distiller. This was done out of text edit and saved as a PDF. The fonts are also the wrong versions. I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying it's inconsistent with past versions of such documents.

[rendezvouscp]

Really off topic, but if Apple (a big name) still uses FrameMaker, then why is Adobe cutting off support and future versions? There are some businesses that use FrameMaker all the time, gggrrrrrr. Sorry.

The pictures are finally starting to grow on me, but that could be because it's 3 a.m. :rolleyes:
–Chase

[blank1]

Because they are hoping that InDesign will eventually incorporate part of what FrameMaker was and evolve. Think Suite :) All the more reason it is a Fake, it would have been done with a design ap.. I would think anyway.

Remember, Indesign is to replace all the legacy aps, like FrameMaker and PageMaker etc.

[russed]

i think they look pretty faketo me. i htink apple would come up with something more smart and tidy than that desktop thing.

[Skiniftz]

I can beleive the searching the Preferences pic and Safari RSS perhaps, but I think that widget system just looked too hideous and so completely unlike OSX's art direction to be real.

[ErikGrim]

One more thing on the wish list is an update to iChat. It would be nice if iChat became a kind of interpreter for multiple IM clients. Wouldn't it be awesome to be able to chat with your AIM, MSN, and Yahoo buddies using a single app?Yes it would, get Proteus. Now with support for MSN buddy pictures and file transfers:

http://www.proteusx.com/

More Mac OS X than iChat if you ask me.

[gorman]

I think it's fairly obvious the widgets in that screenshot are demos of what's possible. I doubt that's the default look that will ship with Tiger. They are simply examples of the system.

The screenshots are real. You'll see tomorrow :)

[nsb3000]

They don't seem real. The Expose dashboard looks weird. We'll soon know.


I am skeptical too, but lets give Steve a chance to explain..

[ThomasW]

I would really be disappointed if these were the only changes in Tiger. Apple needs to implement features from Longhorn NOW and not after Longhorn is released and has overtaken Mac OS X.

The graphics system in Longhorn is much better than Quartz. That's a fact. So we need an update!!!

[nsb3000]

I think it's fairly obvious the widgets in that screenshot are demos of what's possible. I doubt that's the default look that will ship with Tiger. They are simply examples of the system.

The screenshots are real. You'll see tomorrow :)

I just hope there is more to them than being a complete rip off of Konfabulator...

[nsb3000]

maybe just maybe these are themes? maybe Apple is making it easy(ier) to make themes for OS X? the weird colours the weird shapes and stuff?!

just a thought
MaT


That is never going to happen. Steve is too Stubborn about not being able to change the look and feel of the OS...

[nsb3000]

Those widgets, and especially the dasboard with the "X" (Close window?) looks so Windoze. I hope this isn't what we're going to see, but the idea is nice.



I really don't think they look that bad. Would you rather they be Brushed metal or something?

Anyway, I much more interested in seeing, how easy it is to extend the Widget system...If people can make there own, like they can in Konfabulator, I am sure you will see a bunch of "more os x looking" Widgets in a sort order..

[Montserrat]

I'm with the majority on the look of that dashboard thing - just a bit too ugly for OS X, if it improves aesthetically then it could be good. One smaller point, does anyone remember seeing screenshots of Panther? I remember the first time I saw Exposé and thought " that's pretty cool". It wasn't until I'd been using it for a few hours that I realised that my mac was nothing without it! I hope it's the same with Tiger - Apple always seem to make things that look better and are more useful when they're working - Fingers crossed for tomorrow...

By the way, what time does it kick off and have they really cancelled the video feed from the conference?
I've got the day off so I can keep up with news!

[BakedBeans]

I would really be disappointed if these were the only changes in Tiger. Apple needs to implement features from Longhorn NOW and not after Longhorn is released and has overtaken Mac OS X.

The graphics system in Longhorn is much better than Quartz. That's a fact. So we need an update!!!

well we will see what its like when longhorn gets released in 2007 or whenever....

by then mac os xi will be much much better with loads of new featues....

[Veldek]

The graphics system in Longhorn is much better than Quartz. That's a fact. So we need an update!!!

Is this so? All I read said you need a very powerful gfx card (9700 or better) to be able to take advantage of it. That doesn't sound very promising. Could you elaborate a little more?

[Abstract]

The graphics system in Longhorn is much better than Quartz. That's a fact. So we need an update!!!

Really? And what did you expect in the year 2007? I expect the graphics to totally kick ass on every OS by 2007. I don't expect graphic quality from 2004 creeping up in OSX either. Its like looking at OS 10.1 or something.....can't touch Panther with a 50 foot pole.

I think that some of the screenshots are fake, or maybe they're all fake, but all the concepts are real and this was simply a way to illustrate the point. Its like Piles and the diagram explanation given for it by some guy, and it illustrated Piles perfectly when nobody could really understand what the heck it was from the text explanation.

And Tiger will be more than this. This was probably the only info that was leaked.

[ChrisH3677]

They may be real... but I still can't believe that that's the best Tiger's got to offer.
There's not enough candy in the bag.

I don't need any of those features. Nothing there would make me buy it.

But list the features in Panther that made people fork over their hard-earned... X11, Expose, Fast User Switching, FontBook, much improved Finder and Preview, FileVault etc. (150 new features in all) plus significantly more robust.

Even Jaguar had... Rendezvous; spring-loaded folders; iChat; Windows networking with Dave etc

Stealth and Preference searching fall into the minor category. Dashboard looks like Konfabulator which I've already got. So what is gunna make Tiger "must have"? And why didn't GNAA show the "must have" features?

[MacEyeDoc]

I just hope there is more to them than being a complete rip off of Konfabulator...

Truly - if the big deal about Tiger is that they copied Konfabulator, and there really is no hardware "surprise" (i.e. 8,1), then no wonder they don't want to broadcast the keynote.

[Sabbath]

One more thing on the wish list is an update to iChat. It would be nice if iChat became a kind of interpreter for multiple IM clients. Wouldn't it be awesome to be able to chat with your AIM, MSN, and Yahoo buddies using a single app?

I really want iChat to work with msn, all my contacts use msn for some terrible reason, so I have to use Proteus but it just doesn't compare to iChat in terms of feel. Hopefully there will be some big updates in the OS that we haven't seen yet.

[ChrisH3677]

this is probably a bit obvious, but i reckon one of the key improvements in Tiger will be cross-platform compatibility - esp with Linux.

Edit:
It's a developers conference - there has to be something in Tiger to make developers salivate - and I reckon this year will be the big year in that regard - but maybe it is Dashboard, maybe it opens up all sorts of development possibilities. I have always said Apple should buy out K and build it in.

[Zaty]

I guess an important point is in what stage development of Tiger is right now. When Panther was previewed a year ago, it was obviously in the last stages otherwise it couldn't have been release four months later. So the dashboard might be real although it doesn't look OS X like, if it's only in the early stages of development. We'll see tomorrow :)

[nsb3000]

I guess an important point is in what stage development of Tiger is right now. When Panther was previewed a year ago, it was obviously in the last stages otherwise it couldn't have been release four months later. So the dashboard might be real although it doesn't look OS X like, if it's only in the early stages of development. We'll see tomorrow :)

This would imply that it is going to be released later than Oct 2004...which I don't think is going to happen.

[lefty111]

Wow! The clock was the thing I liked best about it. If it's able to display other time zones I'd be using it constantly.

The one thing I dislike about Konfabulator is I haven't been able to find a decent world clock.

There is a shareware app that is an excellent world clock. It's called Hour World: http://www.hourworld.com/index.htm

[Zaty]

This would imply that it is going to be released later than Oct 2004...which I don't think is going to happen.

Well, there has been speculation that Tiger would not be released until early 2005. I guess it depends on how a big an update Tiger really is. If it' s just a minor one, no doubt that it will be released in October at latest, but if Apple is really going to introduce major new features, the release date might be (much) later than that.

[robotrenegade]

They could be real or fake, its not hard to make these in photoshop. Just wait till monday. Why don't these ppl provide better screenshots of the apps and not the about windows.

[ChrisH3677]

but if you really want to get some rumours going about Apple and Konfabulator....

One of the guys from K has spoken about having a friend in a key position in Apple.

So if K has inside connections... who knows what relationship might be brewing... we might know in a couple of days. :)

edit: PS But I think that's really clutching at straws! :D

And you know... maybe Apple have only released dodgy looking gadgets for now... and will hit us with the real ones on Monday...

[aldo]

I told you yesterday these were real -- no-one belived me of course.

Whoever said that these are easy to fake in photoshop is wrong. The text-antialiasing is perfect (try doing the same effect in photoshop and it wont look right) and they are 100% genuine. I'm sure they will have more features, but they are real :).

[a_iver]

Why I think this is fake:

1. Colors are totally un- unified
2. No resize or close or minimize buttons on the gadgets
3. Same old desktop background picture
4. Same title bars for the about boxes. (I like the ones we have but if they change the color scheme you would think they would change these.)

Gotta go to work, gonna be late. See you all tomarrow.

[ChrisH3677]

ok... i don't know if this has been raised or not in all the zillion threads on this. I've read most of them tho...

- the Search box is missing its grey triangle.

I would have imagined that the drawing of a search box is standard re-usable code - straight out of a library. For the laymen... in other words, whether it's in Safari, Finder, iTunes or Preferences, it's the same code-routine being called to draw the object - in this case the Search box.

That said, it is possible there is a parameter in the code to toggle the display of the triangle off. But why would Apple not want the triangle in the Preferences search box?? That dain't make sense.

So... yet another bug/oversight? or more proof of a fake?


You decide... you have less than two days... your time starts... ... now!

[applekid]

Let's assume everything we've seen is real. Why is GNAA leaking it? Are these people actually legitimate?

I like how theses Tiger screenshots are out now. They diverted us from any thoughts about new iMacs, Displays, iPods, new devices, etc.

I hope the rumor mills work Sundays.

[DGFan]

Really? I've never seen anything like Konfabulator/Dashboard on a Windows system.

If you believe the rants then Konfabulator is just a "copy" of DesktopX. Pretty different, actually, but some similar concepts.

[ChrisH3677]

ok...this is fun...here's some more...

- The Safari screen dump is on a white background and it's edges and corners are not bevelled in fact they're fuzzy! (who has that much white in their background or other apps?)

- The background color on the Preferences keeps changing from white (http://www.macrumors.com/downloads/tiger/systempreferences.gif ) to blue (http://www.macrumors.com/downloads/tiger/System-Preferences-3.0.gif) to various (http://www.macrumors.com/downloads/tiger/systempreferences_search.gif).

- The rounding of the corners of the first example above is dubious and it looks to lack bevelling.

- The search box is selected in the first example above, but there's no cursor

[sinisterdesign]

Why I think this is fake:

1. Colors are totally un- unified
2. No resize or close or minimize buttons on the gadgets
3. Same old desktop background picture
4. Same title bars for the about boxes. (I like the ones we have but if they change the color scheme you would think they would change these.)

yup, gotta agree. some of these are nicely designed, but no 2 things are alike, very UN-Apple like. unless there are some impressive customization options, i just don't see these being in Tiger.

looking fwd to the keynote!

[aldo]

ok... i don't know if this has been raised or not in all the zillion threads on this. I've read most of them tho...

- the Search box is missing its grey triangle.

I would have imagined that the drawing of a search box is standard re-usable code - straight out of a library. For the laymen... in other words, whether it's in Safari, Finder, iTunes or Preferences, it's the same code-routine being called to draw the object - in this case the Search box.

That said, it is possible there is a parameter in the code to toggle the display of the triangle off. But why would Apple not want the triangle in the Preferences search box?? That dain't make sense.

So... yet another bug/oversight? or more proof of a fake?


You decide... you have less than two days... your time starts... ... now!



Considering they have probably made a new component because of the fact it has 'highlighting' then most likley this is a bug.

BTW, expect more screenshots soon with a new build which will most likley have all the typos fixed. That's what the person who leaked them said.

[dragula53]

Yes it would, get Proteus. Now with support for MSN buddy pictures and file transfers:

http://www.proteusx.com/

More Mac OS X than iChat if you ask me.

www.adiumx.com
my personal opinion is that it spanks the poo out of proteus. plus it's free, though that really isn't the selling point for me. I would pay for adium before I paid for proteus.
you can make it ichat-ey, if you want..

though mine is the strongbad email messages


bok

[JoeCanadian]

I took a quick look at the Apple streaming site, but there is nothing there.

http://stream.apple.akadns.net

Does anyone know if the keynote will be available on the web?

JC

[Freg3000]

The desktop picture did not change in Panther until later in its development. At WWDC 03 it was previewed with Jaguar's desktop.

Speaking of WWDC 03....not that this says anything about a stream or web broadcast, but last years keynote is down.

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc03/

:eek: :eek: :eek:

[remingtonhill]

Computer: Powerbook 15" Titanium 1Ghz 512Mb RAM 60Gb HDD SuperDrive Panther 10.3.4
Windoze switcher: August 2003
Other Macs: Wife's: iBook 366Mhz clamshell with 320Mb RAM OSX 10.3.4; Kid's: iMac Ruby 400Mhz with 192Mb RAM, OSX 10.3.4



You did by the family pack right?/

[feeze]

ok... i don't know if this has been raised or not in all the zillion threads on this. I've read most of them tho...

- the Search box is missing its grey triangle.

I would have imagined that the drawing of a search box is standard re-usable code - straight out of a library. For the laymen... in other words, whether it's in Safari, Finder, iTunes or Preferences, it's the same code-routine being called to draw the object - in this case the Search box.

That said, it is possible there is a parameter in the code to toggle the display of the triangle off. But why would Apple not want the triangle in the Preferences search box?? That dain't make sense.


I agree also. The whole entire bar at the top looks like a cut and paste job from a finder window. Why would system preferences have a forward and backwards button, that just adds confusion and complexity.

Also notice how the "Show All" button is conviently is the same shape, size and in the same position as the "view" buttons in finder, why would Apple abandon the Panther "Show All" buttons (plus the others).

Also the drop down box covers over some of the options, very user unfriendly. Although my favourite would have to be this one. In the "search 1" example, the user has typed in the character "d" and the various options relating to that character have appeared such a: DNS Servers, Displays, Trackpad Sensitivity, Rebuild Classic 'Dekstop' (there typo not mine), etc. Also the related preferences are now glowing white. But one thing I noticed was the absence of a "d" word that would be used a bit in preferences, "disable", for example "disable expose" or "disable speech", BUT both thoses options are blackened out in the picture.

Like most people have said I believe that these are fake. Some of you might say that that maybe this is an early design, but I don't think that apple would rebuild pre existing features, why re-invent the wheel.

I think Tiger, being the highly evolved OS, will offer more than this. We'll find on Monday

[iMeowbot]

Anyway, I much more interested in seeing, how easy it is to extend the Widget system...If people can make there own, like they can in Konfabulator, I am sure you will see a bunch of "more os x looking" Widgets in a sort order..
The widgets in that picture are very much like what people have been doing with Konfabulator, so I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for something more subdued. And of course, if a programming environment is simple enough that anyone can use it, anyone will use it (http://perversiontracker.com/).

[space2go]

Let's assume everything we've seen is real. Why is GNAA leaking it? Are these people actually legitimate?

Legitimate? I wouldn't believe what year we have if they told me.
That (http://tinyurl.com/yusl7) describes them nicely.

btw tinyurl pwns stupid censorship. ;-)

[soosy]

The widgets in that picture are very much like what people have been doing with Konfabulator, so I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for something more subdued. And of course, if a programming environment is simple enough that anyone can use it, anyone will use it (http://perversiontracker.com/).

Yeah, I still wish for OS Themes in Tiger, but you got to know 95% of the themes people make will look like crap. Still, better to have the options... and there are a few decent ones out there for ShapeShifter and such.

[~Shard~]

I took a quick look at the Apple streaming site, but there is nothing there.

http://stream.apple.akadns.net

Does anyone know if the keynote will be available on the web?

JC

I've asked the same question in a couple threads and no one has replied either - I guess no one knows yet if there will be a live feed or not. Seems weird to me if there isn't one though - I'm already making plans to tune into it!

Anyone have any ideas about the keynote being webcasted?

[zweigand]

Apple needs to implement features from Longhorn NOW and not after Longhorn is released and has overtaken Mac OS X.

The graphics system in Longhorn is much better than Quartz. That's a fact. So we need an update!!!
Like what features? And how is it better? I GOTTA hear this!
:rolleyes:

[soosy]

ok...this is fun...here's some more...

- The Safari screen dump is on a white background and it's edges and corners are not bevelled in fact they're fuzzy! (who has that much white in their background or other apps?)

- The background color on the Preferences keeps changing from white (http://www.macrumors.com/downloads/tiger/systempreferences.gif ) to blue (http://www.macrumors.com/downloads/tiger/System-Preferences-3.0.gif) to various (http://www.macrumors.com/downloads/tiger/systempreferences_search.gif).

- The rounding of the corners of the first example above is dubious and it looks to lack bevelling.

- The search box is selected in the first example above, but there's no cursor

eh, so they took the prefs screenshots at different times when different windows were open in the background.
Don't see anything dubious about the rounding...
The cursor blinks, so it was off when the screen shot was taken.
Someone mentioned the triangle widget by search... it could not be there because there are no search options (like the Finder) or no reason to save recent searches (like Safari)

If there are reasons these are fake, these aren't it. :) Fun to look closely at them though.

Arn had a post referencing old threads where people gave all sorts of reasons why the Panther screenshots were fake (which turned out to be real). Entertaining.

[rendezvouscp]

I thought that I read on the first page of MacRumors that the keynote is not being broadcasted at Apple Stores, and maybe they're opting out of an online broadcast too?
–Chase

[morkintosh]

but even though I use Safari almost exclusively, I really wish that Safari loaded ALL internet sites correctly

I had to stop using it all the time and switch to Camino when I realized that the webapp I was developing looked like crap in all other browsers :-\

[NukemHill]

they must be using the new stealth mode on their firewall! :D

[soosy]

I've asked the same question in a couple threads and no one has replied either - I guess no one knows yet if there will be a live feed or not. Seems weird to me if there isn't one though - I'm already making plans to tune into it!

Anyone have any ideas about the keynote being webcasted?

Just that in the end of the "rumor roundup", it was said there are no known plans for a broadcast:

http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/06/20040622155633.shtml

If there is a webcast, no one knows about it. And I believe in the past it has always been announced/known at least a few days before.

[Frixo Cool]

All those gadgets could be fun or interesting but that's not real inovation.

If Apple want to make some BIG progress and make existing users buy 10.4, IMHO they must do two things:

1) Xgrid technolgy is the biggest thing since OS X itself. It's also a most under-hyped feature. It could be a killer-feature if Apple can implement it well. They could make it work as simple Control Panel - completly transparent for the end users. Also they should give all needed support and tools for third-party developers to use it. For a start they should modify all Apple Pro-apps to use it. Just imagine Final Cut, Shake, Motion and DVD Studio Pro that can use all the CPU power in local network! That could be a real revolution and much more important thing than a G5 @ 3 GHz.

2) 64-bit support. OK, that's bound to happen but the timing is critical. If we just remeber how much time we waited for Classic MacOS to be completly PowerPC native... they shouldn't make the same mistake... they need to move much faster now.

Everything else is marginal...

[motulist]

Ok, it's not PROOF, but here are some serious hints. Open the sys pref screen shot and open your current 10.3 sys pref window and put them side by side. See how you have the widget in the upper right to open and close the dock-like area for control panel short cuts. There is a "show all" icon (with text) on the left and then space on the right for frequently used control panels.

Proof #1) It has a show all text icon. There is no space for panel shortcut icons. Where is the dock functionality? You think apple REMOVED functionality?

Proof #2) There is a back and foward button. Why? All control panels have only screen. If there is no dock-like functionality so you cant switch from 1 panel to another without showing all anyway (besides using the menu bar). The buttons have no logical funtion whatsoever. That I can think of anyway.

Proof #3) The search box would not funtion if you were on any screen but the show all screen as it gives results by high lighting different panel icons. If you were in a control panel, would typing in the box bounce you out of the screen you were in? I don't think so. Would it just not work in any but the show all panel. I don't think so.

Proof #4) In the 10.4 screen shot there is only a text icon. In OS X revisions have you ever known apple to REMOVE icons? it seems they only add more and more.

Proof #5) As someone else mentioned, there is no true title bar. Some apple apps do not have a true title bar, but usually only when it has other items that make a clear distinction between title bar and body. Look at safari, no true title because of the address box directly beneath. Look at the mail app main window, true title bar because there are only a few icons beneath making no obvious deliniation.

Summary: To me it looks like they basically just took a safari window and pasted in a picture of the system prefs.

Whadda ya think?

[soosy]

Well, sort of dissappointed if this Konfabulator rip-off is true, though I'll wait to hear Steve's RDF spin on it. :)

Konfabulator just seems like such a geek tool, I can't imagine the masses really using it. At first it seemed real cool and I installed it for a day or two and then never used it again. Probably could get into it if I found the a killer widget to use.

I agree things like calculator, stickies and a small calendar could have better access. Remember when they were desk accessories in the Apple Menu? Things like this you don't want to devote a ton of real estate in the dock to, but you need to be able to get to them quickly. So I like the "dashboard" concept in that regard. I might rather see them in a configurable menu extra or back in the Apple Menu. Currently I use a calendar menu extra... actually a mini-calendar should appear when you click on the time in the menu bar...

And yeah, there's got to be much more than what we've seen to Tiger... database file system is what I'm hoping for. Could the people taking the screenshots perhaps not know what to look for in the beta they got and glossed over the real goodies? I suppose they picked up the subtlies elsewhere though. I'd bet more they just have an earlier build then the WWDC one we'll see.

[applekid]

It would be in Apple's best interest to show off Tiger to the general public as well, not just developers. They better broadcast.

[Soire]

What time is the keynote???

10:00 am PST or EST? I know its in San Fran, but does this mean a wait till 1 pm eastern???

[ducasi]

Did anyone else notice that at least the red close window button has had a change of colour to be a little more subdued? It's especially obvious in the shots of system preferences. The RSS Safari has the normal red close button though.

I''m 75% sure most of these screen-shots are real. This inconsistency and the questions on the origin of the Read Me make me wonder though...

I like the changes shown to System Preferences. In Windows finding the right control panel has always been a problem for me. I imagine the problem also exists for those who are less familiar with Mac OS X.

No-one will convince me that Pipeline isn't a real application. Who would waste time mocking up such a relatively unglamorous program?

The Stealth mode firewall and the ability to capture a log without going to the command line are welcome features. And again, too unglamorous to bother to fake.

I expect the biggest changes in Tiger are under the hood. I'm hoping for more enterprise-level features, better compatibility with Windows and Linux/Unix networks and an evolution in the advanced file system features we've seen in previous updates.

The keyword here is evolution. Apple says Tiger will be highly evolved. Don't expect a revolution.

[rendezvouscp]

What time is the keynote???

10:00 am PST or EST? I know its in San Fran, but does this mean a wait till 1 pm eastern???

Or you could fly back there and not have to wait three hours.:D

Otherwise, yes.

–Chase

[whenpaulsparks]

you know what's sad, is of ALL the new features, we get screenshots of an RSS feed reader and a ripoff of Konfabulator. i mean, isn't tiger supposed to be "highly evolved"? why don't we see screenshots of the parts that are highly evolved? of course safari and system preferences should be at a new version. but where's the GOOD screenshots?

if thats all that is new, i am NOT buying an upgrade, even for the $39 educational special they always have the night its released.

[Cochrane]

- the Search box is missing its grey triangle.

I would have imagined that the drawing of a search box is standard re-usable code - straight out of a library. For the laymen... in other words, whether it's in Safari, Finder, iTunes or Preferences, it's the same code-routine being called to draw the object - in this case the Search box.

Well, it is standard reusable code, called NSSearchField (NS is for NextStep). And you can configure it to not display a triangle, by not assinging a menu to it. However, why would Apple want to do that? A menu at least displaying the latest searches is easy to implement and always useful.

Moreover, the list appearing under the search field is somehow strange. Such a list appears on a thing known as a combo-box, a field where you can enter your own text or select something that is already there. Never before has such a list been seen in a Search Field! There is always some other, tabellaric, view (like in the Finder, where the whole window displays the results), but the (possible) results are not displayed anywhere in the Search Field.

Of course, just as everything else, it is something that Apple might add/change. But it counters any recent developement in Apple Software Design, so I highly doubt it. I think that at least all pictures showing System Preferences are fake.

About Safaris RSS-Reader: That thing looks more or less like a web-based RSS-Reader. If Apple implemented RSS in Safari, I'd think it would look more like in NetNewsWire or something.

[soosy]

Ok, it's not PROOF, but here are some serious hints. Open the sys pref screen shot and open your current 10.3 sys pref window and put them side by side. See how you have the widget in the upper right to open and close the dock-like area for control panel short cuts. There is a "show all" icon (with text) on the left and then space on the right for frequently used control panels.

Proof #1) It has a show all text icon. There is no space for panel shortcut icons. Where is the dock functionality? You think apple REMOVED functionality?

Proof #2) There is a back and foward button. Why? All control panels have only screen. If there is no dock-like functionality so you cant switch from 1 panel to another without showing all anyway (besides using the menu bar). The buttons have no logical funtion whatsoever. That I can think of anyway.

Proof #3) The search box would not funtion if you were on any screen but the show all screen as it gives results by high lighting different panel icons. If you were in a control panel, would typing in the box bounce you out of the screen you were in? I don't think so. Would it just not work in any but the show all panel. I don't think so.

Proof #4) In the 10.4 screen shot there is only a text icon. In OS X revisions have you ever known apple to REMOVE icons? it seems they only add more and more.

Proof #5) As someone else mentioned, there is no true title bar. Some apple apps do not have a true title bar, but usually only when it has other items that make a clear distinction between title bar and body. Look at safari, no true title because of the address box directly beneath. Look at the mail app main window, true title bar because there are only a few icons beneath making no obvious deliniation.

Summary: To me it looks like they basically just took a safari window and pasted in a picture of the system prefs.

Whadda ya think?

Sorry, have to be negative and not agree....

#1) When Panther introduced the Places Sidebar, you could still drag icons to the top bar, but the screenshots didn't show that because of course they are emphasizing the new system. So perhaps you can but they're not showing it. There is only slightly less vertical room than on a finder window that supports back/forward toolbar and toolbar shortcut icons.

#2) Other apps like Omniweb have back forward in their prefs, there is a use in that. Once you are on a specific panel, Show All would take you back to the main index.

#3) Interesting point. Maybe it would "show all" as soon as you typed in the search box. Or maybe it would just bring up the list of words and you'd pick a function and go to the next panel.

#4) what text icon. which screen exactly?

#5) Good point since generally metal windows don't have divider, but aqua windows do. But perhaps they just changed things and are introducing a new look.

Not that I think these are real, exactly. I find the gradient highlight icon effect on the Sys Prefs to be very strange/ugly. Why wouldn't they use their standard box outline effect they use in the Finder and in the App Switcher (when you command-tab)?

Okay, that's all from me for today. :)

[amols]

Look at this screenshot..

http://www.macrumors.com/downloads/tiger/systempreferences_search.gif

There is a spelling mistake in search drop-down results, says "Rebuild classic DEKSTOP" :eek: . I've never seen any typos in the menu of any english apps let alone the system software. Now don't tell me "because its an early build, there are typing mistakes". :D

[nickdaze]

Look guys and dolls...
I don't know about you, but I'm pretty skeptical about most of those screenshots. Some of 'em could be real, but are you telling me Apple wouldn't even slightly tweak the UI design? I mean, the chrome (or AL) Apple in the About Box is EXACTLY THE SAME.
It's not too hard to photoshop the words "Safari 2.0" into a screenshot of Panther.

I'm curious about this "Pipeline" app. I think that's a little to non-sequitor to be not real, but there's no mention of what it is.

Hey, I'm just playing the devil's advocate. I guess we'll all see tomorrow, and be undeniably convinced that we need to give SJ another $129.

[macnews]

Proof #2) There is a back and foward button. Why? All control panels have only screen. If there is no dock-like functionality so you cant switch from 1 panel to another without showing all anyway (besides using the menu bar). The buttons have no logical funtion whatsoever. That I can think of anyway.
Whadda ya think?

One thing to remember is earlier rumors hinted at a more "internet browser" type of finder. Perhaps this what they were talking about. Not saying I like it, just doesn't mean their existance in these screen shots means they are fakes. Personally, I do hope you can add icons on the top or "turn off" this back/forward feature. I like the Panther finder very well thank you. Don't see much need to change it.

I do hope the most 'significant' changes in tiger are all under the hood. Speed, graphics, networking, etc. Dashboard looks kind of interesting but not as earth shaking as expose`. To me Dashboard (as presented) looks like some of the dock changing apps out there. I used dock thing for a while. Initially, it seemed great but I just found it really wasn't something I had a need for on a daily, weekly or even monthly basis. What was package in the OS itself worked just fine for my needs. Expose' on the other hand IS something I use everyday. It is a very improved functional piece of the OS. My only hope is that if dashboard is included it is more than what we can tell from screen shots. Konfabulator just doesn't look like something I would use everyday. Thus, people comparing the two makes me think maybe Dashboard will not be such a great feature. Hope I am wrong.

[netytan]

They don't seem real. The Expose dashboard looks weird. We'll soon know.

couldnt agree more :), besides looking very un Apple-like or OS X-like for that matter my little sister could do better in Photoshop. Also, in the pervious releases of OSX i've noticed a general change in theme i.e. the brushed metal effect in Panther, which hasn't changed at all in these shots!

If there not fake, Apple needs to be very very ashamed and i for one wont be updating this time around :P

Edit: Just knowticed that the dashboard pane doesn't have a dropshadow. And every other object on screen does :rolleyes:.

Fake!

Mark.

[macnews]

Just that in the end of the "rumor roundup", it was said there are no known plans for a broadcast:

http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/06/20040622155633.shtml

If there is a webcast, no one knows about it. And I believe in the past it has always been announced/known at least a few days before.

I checked my sources and right now, no one knows of a broadcast. Even people at higher ed institutions are not aware of any broadcast.

I would suspect we will all be waiting for updates on Apple's site or rumor sites. Arn, do you have people that will be at the event?

[~Shard~]

I checked my sources and right now, no one knows of a broadcast. Even people at higher ed institutions are not aware of any broadcast.

I would suspect we will all be waiting for updates on Apple's site or rumor sites. Arn, do you have people that will be at the event?

That's too bad - these things are normally broadcasted, are they not? Can't remember if last year's WWDC was broadcasted live or not, come to think of it...

What would make WWDC different than MWSF? I quite enjoyed watching that keynote live...

Well, maybe I'll just have to sit around hitting refresh on MacRumors.com then for the whole keynote instead of watching it live!

[Vagcmyevad]

I took a quick look at the Apple streaming site, but there is nothing there.

http://stream.apple.akadns.net

Does anyone know if the keynote will be available on the web?

JC

Yes, there will be a stream available later in the day. :)

Edit- thought I should clarify, AFTER they keynote.

[spooty]

Look at this screenshot..

http://www.macrumors.com/downloads/tiger/systempreferences_search.gif

There is a spelling mistake in search drop-down results, says "Rebuild classic DEKSTOP" :eek: . I've never seen any typos in the menu of any english apps let alone the system software. Now don't tell me "because its an early build, there are typing mistakes". :D

Spelling mistakes actually aren't that uncommon. For example, until 10.3 was released, during OS X startup we had to wait for network "syncronization" instead of "synchronization."

[bitfactory]

you know what's sad, is of ALL the new features, we get screenshots of an RSS feed reader and a ripoff of Konfabulator. i mean, isn't tiger supposed to be "highly evolved"? why don't we see screenshots of the parts that are highly evolved? of course safari and system preferences should be at a new version. but where's the GOOD screenshots?

if thats all that is new, i am NOT buying an upgrade, even for the $39 educational special they always have the night its released.

i can't believe people think these are real.

now THAT is unbelievable.

[Fuchal]

These trolls did a good job. :rolleyes:

Most Mac users ARE as stubborn as they thought. *Sigh*

[DGFan]

All those gadgets could be fun or interesting but that's not real inovation.

If Apple want to make some BIG progress and make existing users buy 10.4, IMHO they must do two things:

*snip*

2) 64-bit support. OK, that's bound to happen but the timing is critical. If we just remeber how much time we waited for Classic MacOS to be completly PowerPC native... they shouldn't make the same mistake... they need to move much faster now.

Everything else is marginal...

Considering how few Mac owners are using computers that are 64 bit how does it fall into the category of making existing users buy it?

[~Shard~]

Yes, there will be a stream available later in the day. :)

Edit- thought I should clarify, AFTER they keynote.

Well yes, of course the keynote willl be available for viewing after it has aired - what people are inquiring about though is whether it will be aired live or not, which is what I'm curious to find out as well. We all know it will be avilable afterwards.... :rolleyes: ;)

[Veldek]

That's too bad - these things are normally broadcasted, are they not? Can't remember if last year's WWDC was broadcasted live or not, come to think of it...

What would make WWDC different than MWSF? I quite enjoyed watching that keynote live...

Well, maybe I'll just have to sit around hitting refresh on MacRumors.com then for the whole keynote instead of watching it live!

Last year's WWDC wasn't live but broadcasted some time after the event had finshed. I remember seeing a photo of the new PowerMac during the Keynote while watching the live feed and later watching the braodcast of it.

[applekid]

I would suspect we will all be waiting for updates on Apple's site or rumor sites. Arn, do you have people that will be at the event?

Yes, seriously, arn, do you have people at WWDC ready to give us reports? You've been pretty quiet about everything yourself. :cool:

[AT71]

Any text "live" feed anywhere?

[chameeeleon]

I have to be skeptical on these as well, for a number of reasons.

1. If they are real, why wouldn't Apple have forced them to be taken down? Remember last year's Panther screenshot leaks, or even just the stupid display DIAGRAMS that AppleInsider had - all forced down. Not these.
2. Where is the screenshot of the new Finder? There can't be a major OS update without SOME change to the Finder, and no, an "about box" isn't going to prove anything.
3. The "lighting" affect that highlights which areas of the control panel that you can find whatever you're typing in the search box is very inconsistent - the light is a circle on some, and very ovalish on others.
4. Would you not think there'd be a control panel area for the "Dashboard" thing? Not to mention that the Dashboard looks like crap in these screenshots.

[the silver fox]

Like what features? And how is it better? I GOTTA hear this!
:rolleyes:

Because, and I say this with a heavy heart, Longhorn has a vector based GUI creation system. Fully scaleable, fully changeable, with BUILT IN customization. It is a shame that jobster doesnt realise people like to customise that much.

[msimmons]

About the keynote stream..

Earlier today I went to:
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc04/
to see if anything was there. There isn't, but I did make an observation..

In normal Apache server operation, if the request is a directory that exists, but doesn't have a trailing /, it automatically adds it. Now, with that in mind, go to:
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc04
and the / automatically is added.

Now, this doesn't mean that Apple will be doing a "live" broadcast, but it does prove, well.. nothing really, just that they've created a directory! :)

Just thought I would throw that in.

[the silver fox]

It would be in Apple's best interest to show off Tiger to the general public as well, not just developers. They better broadcast.

Why does it matter when it isn't going to be released for months? Unless you are a developer surely it doesnt matter? ;)

[LimeiBook86]

I just hope to see something soon, the suspense is killing me!! ;)

[the silver fox]

Look at this screenshot..

http://www.macrumors.com/downloads/tiger/systempreferences_search.gif

There is a spelling mistake in search drop-down results, says "Rebuild classic DEKSTOP" :eek: . I've never seen any typos in the menu of any english apps let alone the system software. Now don't tell me "because its an early build, there are typing mistakes". :D

Sorry dude, but there were a BAG full of typos in last years WWDC preview disk.

[Vagcmyevad]

Well yes, of course the keynote willl be available for viewing after it has aired - what people are inquiring about though is whether it will be aired live or not, which is what I'm curious to find out as well. We all know it will be avilable afterwards.... :rolleyes: ;)

Then I'll clarify further, it won't be aired live. :rolleyes:

Edit- unless Steve changes his mind... :D

[arn]

ThinkSecret says they are real

http://www.thinksecret.com/news/tigerleak.html

arn

[paulypants]

uh-oh removed...

[Ambrose Chapel]

uh-oh removed...

the apple legal seal of legitimacy!

[King Cobra]

ThinkSecret says they are real

http://www.thinksecret.com/news/tigerleak.html
Sweet...the minority (http://www.macpolls.com/?poll_id=419) might win! Err, I mean, I voted for "Real."

A few months ago, I invisioned that System Preferences would have a Search tool, but the intent I wanted was to be able to locate a preference pane and, with a control-click, be able to remove that pane instead of having to go into ~/Library/System Preferences/ and manually delete it, or to use the Search toolbar to disable/active/install a preference pane.

[Megaquad]

Hahahha I knew they were real!
:rolleyes:

[Chobit]

I guess that seals it. I'm very surprised that those dashboard gadgets came out of Apple. I expect (hope?) we'll see some major revisions to the look before release.

[ratspg]

i thought they were fake, i guess i could be wrong :) but i just want a new iChat, so i dont care , lol.... the dashboard looks like konfabulator :( and thats just a eye-candy waste of ram

[Superdrive]

Uh oh, now they are gone. I guess they are valid because Apple pulled the plug. I voted for fake yesterday just because they did not seem exactly right to me. I was also hoping that they were not real, simply because I did not like the way they look.

Superdrive

[Superdrive]

I am hoping for screenshots from the new iChat, Mail, and Safari updates tomorrow. I need to be blown away.....

Anyone have pictures of the G4 iPod?????

Superdrive

[carbonmotion]

dudes, the screenshot is gone! anyone care to link me to some freshones?

[AmigoMac]

I said they were real... ;)

But will be seriously disappointed if there is no kick-ass reason to update... Steve, the world is pointing you... and better give us a stream right after the Keynote... I still hope an application manager á la F10-Launcher but not that hard/complicated to handle/setup...

[diego]

dudes, the screenshot is gone! anyone care to link me to some freshones?

They are still on Thinksecret (http://www.thinksecret.com)

[matthew24]

I allways appreciated the clean and easy design of Aqua, I sure hope it stays that way. OSX has developed so much that it becomes very imported to guard this quality. I also hope that Apple will not make changes that will hurt the user-experience without our approval. :)

Apple: Please keep OUR OSX clean and simple!

Thank you.

[rendezvouscp]

Apple's Legal Department's move does not mean that they are real... does it? No! Please don't be real! No no no!

Despite my no's, I still think that these are somewhat fake, or at least that is what I'm hoping. Less than 24 hours!
–Chase

[slackpacker]

I am still thinking that these are NOT real.

At least I am hopin'

I really don't think that a dashboard that is handled by other tools very well is really that great. :confused:

I be very dissapointed if they are real.

[MoparShaha]

Well, Apple Legal's actions certainly add some credibility to these screenshots. As many others here, I am not impressed.

[klaus]

Removing the pictures on demand of Apple Legal can't exclude the fact that they are real or not. Remember the 'leaked' tech manuals? They were not correct as well, but they did have it removed as well... So that doesn't mean a thing, Apple doesn't want bad mockups, fake screenshots, or fake manuals hovering around, that's all.

But they could also be real of course, guess we will know within 22 hours.

cu

[MacsRgr8]

Weren't the "new G5 service manuals"-pics also pulled?
Those weren't real either.

Apple just want to get rid of all the so-called "leaked" pics. Fake or not. Otherwise we will know which ones are, and which ones are not real. Now we keep speculating.

[365]

Real ... and Pamela Andersons chest is all her own ;)

NOT

[newamiga]

Just wondering since it is a Sunday, I am assuming the notification comes via email? If so how do you verify it is real? It is interesting that Think Secret still has them up.

[~Shard~]

Then I'll clarify further, it won't be aired live. :rolleyes:

Edit- unless Steve changes his mind... :D

So what you're saying then, is that you have no clue? Fair enough then. ;) :cool:

[rendezvouscp]

If ThinkSecret gets pulled too, I have a copy of the pics they posted on their website here (http://homepage.mac.com/rendezvouscp/Images/). Maybe I shouldn't put the images on Apple's servers though...
–Chase

[KingJobs]

THIS CAN'T BE REAL IT JUST CAN'T BE!!! :eek:

*goes out to buy all the panther cds at the apple store (Hey people might want to buy these after Tiger is on every mac sold, 500% markup is reasonable for a Post-Tiger launch world.) *

[chameeeleon]

Lol to the post above, though hopefully Tiger isn't THAT bad.

Anyways, there goes my first reason for not believing that these are real. I'm still hoping that this Dashboard thing is a fraud, or if it is real looks a helluva lot better than it does. And hopefully Tiger will bring even bigger things. Either way, even if the new OS sucks, the Keynote will still rock and we'll all be able to continue enjoying Panther.

[Vagcmyevad]

So what you're saying then, is that you have no clue? Fair enough then. ;) :cool:

I'm just saying what Steve told me when I e-mailed him and begged him to stream it live. :D

[rendezvouscp]

Offtopic, but 5 posts all in one minute? Is that like a record high?
–Chase

[arn]

Just wondering since it is a Sunday, I am assuming the notification comes via email? If so how do you verify it is real? It is interesting that Think Secret still has them up.

To put an end to this thread of speculation. The Cease and Desist is real. Same person contacted me as before, and I've had an email response/reply through an apple address.

arn

[newamiga]

Ok a bit off topic but I think related. Just next door tomorrow the Java One kickoff will highlight the latest JDE 1.5 (also codenamed Tiger??) anyway it is interesting to take a look at Sun's web site and the ways that they are employing creative 3D in their future desktop design. In some ways I wish Apple would take a clue from something like this...
http://wwws.sun.com/software/looking_glass/details.html

The second really cool piece of technology I would like to see Apple integrate is a logcial filing system ala Six Degrees from Creo http://www.creo.com/global/products/software_solutions/creative/six_degrees/default.htm
It is a really cool paradigm for storing emails, with links to people and associated files all in one database. It would be cool if applied at the OS level. Anyway these are things I would hope to see. I think the screenshots fall far short of that.

I was at WWDC last year for the keynote and it was fun. Getting the free iSignt camera didn't stink either. I think though unless things have changed with regards to the wi-fi there, it is unlikely we will see live updates from the auditorium. Of course if one used their cell phone or cell connection card, I guess we might. Sure wish they would just stream the keynote. Of course I am on a plane tomorrow during the whole thing, so I get to see the results when I get into Dayton OH.

[wdlove]

It sounds as though Apple Legal works 24/7. I don't see why they would mind rumors.

[~Shard~]

Why doesn't someone just take an iSight into the keynote and stream it live to the rest of us? ;)

[Koyder]

Only because they've been pulled doesn't mean they're authentic. Some of the reasons Apple might want to pull even fake screenshots might be:

1) Though being fake, they may render features that actually are going to appear in Tiger, which Apple want to keep secret until the official presentation (which I hope is true in case of that new Expose feature; I just hope it will look the way an Apple product should look)

2) Apple doesn't want a situation in which it and its product are evaluated on the basis of fake screenshots being taken for real ones (imagine an incompetent journalist who comes across those fake screens in a forum post titled "Real Tiger screenshots" and publishes them in a newspaper, with Apple's logo next to them)

[clipper]

Why doesn't someone just take an iSight into the keynote and stream it live to the rest of us? ;)

Apple disables web access during the keynotes. Last year you could still use rendezvous to iChat with people in the auditorium but WAN access was disabled.

An archive is supposed to be posted following the live keynote... just like last year.

[autrefois]

Why doesn't someone just take an iSight into the keynote and stream it live to the rest of us? ;)

Because Stealth mode hasn't been released yet. :)

[newamiga]

Ok since De Plume (Or Matt Rothenbergh) or whomever actually runs Think Secret hasn't been hit up yet. I know this has been posed in the past, but why is it that Think Secret has been so accurate of late. Either they really are connected inside, or they are actually Apple? Just throwing it out there. :eek:

[sethypoo]

Why doesn't someone just take an iSight into the keynote and stream it live to the rest of us? ;)

Would bandwidth become an issue? Or those burly Apple security guy's?

[crees!]

Don't you just like how the System Pref pane lacks having the area to place shortcuts for your most used sections. I could have made a better mock up than that.

[newamiga]

I can attest that the connection everywhere in the new Moscone wing stunk last year at WWDC. I ended up doing most everything from the connection in my hotel since the Airport nodes appeared to be just overwhelmed. It was common to get a connection but take forever to get an IP address and even once you got it it was SLOWWWW.

[wrldwzrd89]

Would bandwidth become an issue? Or those burly Apple security guy's?
Both. It would be hard to get enough bandwidth to stream it due to the huge demand, and the Apple security guards would stop you anyway.

[applemacdude]

http://geocities.com/pismomonkey/wwdc04/

[el_aarono]

THIS CAN'T BE REAL IT JUST CAN'T BE!!! :eek:

*goes out to buy all the panther cds at the apple store (Hey people might want to buy these after Tiger is on every mac sold, 500% markup is reasonable for a Post-Tiger launch world.) *

Well, here is a good example of why Apple would want to pull these even if they are fake - if the screen shots make people not want to buy Tiger then leaving them up would be detrimental to Apple.

Of course, assuming they are genuine, the final version of Tiger will definitely look much better than these.

-A

[365]

If they turn out to be genuine and you're at WWDC tomorrow and not happy, instead of whooping everything Steve Jobs says, have the balls to stand up and boo him, let them know that you're not happy and not impressed.

[danielgrenell]

booya! i love when apple legal steps in, it's an instant giveaway. :)

[wrldwzrd89]

booya! i love when apple legal steps in, it's an instant giveaway. :)
Don't forget that Apple Legal acts when not acting would be detrimental to Apple - whether they act or not usually is not related to whether the rumors are true or not. Apple Legal's goal is to help Apple and baffle the rumor sites.

[newamiga]

Wondering if there are any Macrumors members out there who may be on the ground in San Fran.. of course non-NDA type stuff anyone can offer up on how it looks out there?

[snahabed]

If a Konfabulator ripoff is the most interesting thing Apple has to show off, then Tiger is going to be LAME.

[klaus]

oh comeon, listen to yourself, do you honestly think that apple would only have these updates in Tiger?? djeez, don't think these screenshots (if real) are the only changes that are going to be made, it would be rather ridicolous to think it would, why develop a year on an app that only has some search functions and a new expose feature?

We'll all know tomorrow what tiger will bring us, don't bother speculating over these screenshots, see them as teasers.

[wrldwzrd89]

oh comeon, listen to yourself, do you honestly think that apple would only have these updates in Tiger?? djeez, don't think these screenshots (if real) are the only changes that are going to be made, it would be rather ridicolous to think it would, why develop a year on an app that only has some search functions and a new expose feature?

We'll all know tomorrow what tiger will bring us, don't bother speculating over these screenshots, see them as teasers.
Obviously, these screenshots aren't revealing all there is to Tiger. I am confident that Apple has many surprises for us at the keynote @ WWDC 2004 regarding Tiger.

[AMPrkm]

If a Konfabulator ripoff is the most interesting thing Apple has to show off, then Tiger is going to be LAME.

What exactly makes everyone think that these random screen shots provide a comprehensive guide to what's new in Tiger??? A shady source is breaking a legal contract to provide a couple of screen shots just hours before everything becomes public anyway, and you trust that this person cares about showing what YOU will feel would be an important feature?

Also, if the reports that Dashboard is part of Exposé are accurate, then the feature actually seems fairly different from Konfabulator. For example, IIRC, Konfabulator widgets disappear when you invoke one of the Exposé modes, while Dashboard appears to come up only when you invoke it. A picture might be worth a thousand words, but the trick is knowing which words it represents. :-)

[jessefoxperry]

i was a little late to the screenshot party, but i know there's gotta be someone here that saved all the pics. could you send them to me?

jesselperry@gmail.com

i know gmail invites are fairly easy to come by nowadays, but if you don't have an account and you send me the pics ill send you an invite for be'n so cool ;)

btw, is macrumors gonna have that text update thang during WWDC like they did for product releases of yore?

[wrldwzrd89]

i was a little late to the screenshot party, but i know there's gotta be someone here that saved all the pics. could you send them to me?

jesselperry@gmail.com

i know gmail invites are fairly easy to come by nowadays, but if you don't have an account and you send me the pics ill send you an invite for be'n so cool ;)

btw, is macrumors gonna have that text update thang during WWDC like they did for product releases of yore?
Someone asked this in another thread, and I'll respond the same way I did there - I suspect that MacRumors will go into simple mode for WWDC coverage, just like they've done for previous events.

[newamiga]

For the previous poster, just go to www.thinksecret.com. They still have the story and the link to all of the pictures up.. or at least they did a minute ago..

[~Shard~]

i was a little late to the screenshot party, but i know there's gotta be someone here that saved all the pics. could you send them to me?

jesselperry@gmail.com

i know gmail invites are fairly easy to come by nowadays, but if you don't have an account and you send me the pics ill send you an invite for be'n so cool ;)

Thanks for the e-mail address, prepare to be signed up for lots of spam and porn! Ah, don't worry about it, you have one of those fancy schmancy Google e-mail accounts, so you have plenty of mailbox space to store the plethora of useless messages that will be coming your way... ;) :cool:

Never understood what a person needs a 1 Gb mail acount for in the first place.... :confused:

[the_mole1314]

I love Apple legal. They are cool. It's not that they ruin our fun, but that they just love to throw those curveballs! I can't wait. I'll be at my local Apple Store on MacRumors (I only have 56k at home) reading up on what comes out!

[jessefoxperry]

Thanks for the e-mail address, prepare to be signed up for lots of spam and porn! Ah, don't worry about it, you have one of those fancy schmancy Google e-mail accounts, so you have plenty of mailbox space to store the plethora of useless messages that will be coming your way... ;) :cool:

Never understood what a person needs a 1 Gb mail acount for in the first place.... :confused:

i bet it helps when you guys keep on replying to the message too ;) if that account gets flooded ive got 2 more backup accounts just in case

and thanks to the other person for the thinksecret tip.. is that all the screen shots? i didnt get to see safari2 :(

btw, does anyone think safari 2 will be released tomorrow or do you think itll be a only-for-tiger thing to get ppl to buy it?

[wrldwzrd89]

i bet it helps when you guys keep on replying to the message too ;) if that account gets flooded ive got 2 more backup accounts just in case

and thanks to the other person for the thinksecret tip.. is that all the screen shots? i didnt get to see safari2 :(

btw, does anyone think safari 2 will be released tomorrow or do you think itll be a only-for-tiger thing to get ppl to buy it?
My guess...Tiger only :(

[LaMerVipere]

blech, if these are real tiger is going to be a boring update :(

[~Shard~]

i bet it helps when you guys keep on replying to the message too ;) if that account gets flooded ive got 2 more backup accounts just in case

Heh heh - you're a smart man... ;) :cool:

[klaus]

blech, if these are real tiger is going to be a boring update :(
sure, these screenshots are the ONLY thing that's new in Tiger, I don't get you ppl.
ever heard of optimism? (glas half empty / full)

[newamiga]

Your right I don't see the Safari RSS pic. It was not overly impressive to me. After all, they are simply processing XML and I assume applying a style sheet and putting it into a web page format. Again this is all one could tell from that image. I agree with the other posters here.. I can't see Steve taking the stage to only show off what has been posted.

[LaMerVipere]

Weren't the "new G5 service manuals"-pics also pulled?
Those weren't real either.

Apple just want to get rid of all the so-called "leaked" pics. Fake or not. Otherwise we will know which ones are, and which ones are not real. Now we keep speculating.

That's a very good point. :)

[jessefoxperry]

sure, these screenshots are the ONLY thing that's new in Tiger, I don't get you ppl.
ever heard of optimism? (glas half empty / full)

not even optimism, just the sheer fact that we're only seeing maybe 1/4th of the new system. and i forget where i read it (either here or thinksecret) but tiger is nowhere near (development-wise) where panther was this time last year. so all you nay sayers, just shut up and wait for the official word from steve.

[Manuel Moreno]

Like what features? And how is it better? I GOTTA hear this!
:rolleyes:

don't wait for longhorn. xp has various features that mac os x don't.

http://pwp.netcabo.pt/manuel.moreno/104features.jpg

http://pwp.netcabo.pt/manuel.moreno/104features2.jpg

[applekid]

Arn, any plans for one last rumor round-up before the big day? :D

[nmk]

Because, and I say this with a heavy heart, Longhorn has a vector based GUI creation system. Fully scaleable, fully changeable, with BUILT IN customization. It is a shame that jobster doesnt realise people like to customise that much.

First of all, Quartz is also a vector based GUI. That is why you can scale your icons infinately without losing any quality. I don't quite know what you mean by scaleable, but graphics in Quarts can be physically scaled to any level. If you are talking from a development point of view, you shuld clarify. Jobs does realize that people like to customise, he just doesn't give a ****. He feels that he has better taste than you do, and doesn't want to give you the opportunity to deface his creation.

Longhorns GUI is in no way more advanced than Quartz. Visually it is gaudy, which is to be expected from MS. They can try to copy Apple, but taste is something you either have or don't (and MS don't). OS X is elegant and understated. Apple has actually made the interface less colorful in Panther. In the initial releases of OS X they were trying to impress people with their flashy new 3D GUI. Over time, as they have gotten used to the technology good taste has prevailed. I've heard people complain that the Powerbook doesn't have fancy flashing lights on it like Windows Notebooks. I believe that the Longhorn GUI will appeal to this group, but not the typical Mac user.

[nmk]

don't wait for longhorn. xp has various features that mac os x don't
You have pasted a collage of windows which is supposed to be interpreted as some kind of response. I can't really read everything is that mess but a few of those windows made me laugh. For example, you have a help window which is supposed to be better than OS X. I, along with most others, have found that windows built in help is appalling. You usually cant find anything you are looking for. Even if you do manage to find an answer, it is usually confusing enough to be useless for the normal user. OS X help isn't perfect, but its easier to find answers and they usually make some sense.

[newamiga]

I don't want to start a flame war here, but man you have got to be kidding if you think that Win XP as it currently exists is anywhere near as visualy appealing or useful as OS X even in its 10.3 form. The funiest part of the keynote last year was the short video showing the longhorned steer slobbering on itself and Steve's comment that we understand what the competitive landscape looks like. I agree :p

[firewire2001]

you guys are retarded, haven't you ever heard of something called google? i think that mac os x is starting to get too overloaded.

this is also why windows is a piece of ****

[the silver fox]

First of all, Quartz is also a vector based GUI. That is why you can scale your icons infinately without losing any quality. I don't quite know what you mean by scaleable, but graphics in Quarts can be physically scaled to any level. If you are talking from a development point of view, you shuld clarify. Jobs does realize that people like to customise, he just doesn't give a ****. He feels that he has better taste than you do, and doesn't want to give you to opportunity to deface his creation.

Longhorns GUI is in no way more advanced than Quartz. Visually it is gaudy, which is to be expected from MS. They can try to copy Apple, but taste is something you either have or don't (and MS don't). OS X is elegant and understated. Apple has actually made the interface less colorful in Panther. In the initial releases of OS X they were trying to impress people with their flashy new 3D GUI. Over time, as they have gotten used to the technology good taste has prevailed. I've heard people complain that the Powerbook doesn't have fancy flashing lights on it like Windows Notebooks. I believe that the Longhorn GUI will appeal to this group, but not the typical Mac user.


Hmm were you at the longhorn preview launch in LA? It is quite difficult to explain why it is better than the quartz system (sadly) in terms of UI responsiveness. Until Apple can make Quartz run as snappily (on my dual g5 with a 9800) as system 9 did on the fastest Mac way back when, They are behind M$. I dont want to wait around for some fancy effect to finish its animation, I want instant resizing etc. I hate having to run a PC as well, but it REALLY breaks my heart that XP has a much faster responsiveness than OSX.

Yes, the M$ interface sucks, which is why at the ground level it is fully customisable this time around.

I, for one, would prefer a darker interface and the complete dropping of metal. More like what they have going in Studio Pro and Shake (palette wise for Shake not icon-wise).The stripes and the metal are not good for your eyes.

[~Shard~]

Arn, any plans for one last rumor round-up before the big day? :D

God, I hope not - there are already too many separate threads going on which all essentially touch on the same topics. How many times can people rank and comment on the same topics? I pretty much lost count of all the "updated PowerMac" threads a couple weeks ago...

[Trekkie]

Don't forget that Apple Legal acts when not acting would be detrimental to Apple - whether they act or not usually is not related to whether the rumors are true or not. Apple Legal's goal is to help Apple and baffle the rumor sites.

I would think Apple would have viewed that as detrimental. I mean when the screen shots are provided by person named gary niger of the GNAA and the G and the N stand for Gay ******s I'm sure they'd be quick to attempt to disassociate themselves from that.

I think the mac community just got trolled big time, and the twits that get off on doing this are having a huge laugh at the communities expense. I was shocked when I read the page 2 section and saw Arn actually posted this knowing the source..

[123]

First of all, Quartz is also a vector based GUI. That is why you can scale your icons infinately without losing any quality.

First of all, what icons are you talking about?

[bitfactory]

uh oh...

Konfabulator creator Arlo Rose must know something.

he doesn't sound too happy - and i doubt he's going by rumor alone.

http://www2.konfabulator.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3903

looks like some kind of Dashboard app IS coming, imo.

[nmk]

I wasn't at the Longhorn Preview launch, but I've seen a lot of screenshots and read a lot of reviews. The screenshots look gaudy (kind of like what rap stars do to their cars). Functionality wise, its seems to be following in XP's footsteps. I believe XP tries to do too much, and ends up not doing anything particularly well. It is difficult to find the settings you are looking for (the Windows control panel is a sadistic joke). The regular wizard driven view doesn't let you access anything you want. The classic view has icons scattered all over the place and they usually don't logically indicate what options will be located in them. Then when you open a particlar controll panel, there are tabs within tabs within tabs.

After working with OS X, it is hard to believe how a company with the resources that MS has could create a mess like windows. There are ten different ways to do the same thing, located in ten different places. I think the only place where the OS X UI responsiveness really needs to improve is window resizing. Most other problems seem to have been sorted out. I really could go on, but we are digressing.

As far as the screenshots are concerned, I hope that we have a lot more comming. As others have mentioned, I believe that some of the more major changes to Tiger may be under the hood. The could improve networking performance and compatibility with Windows. Perhaps bring in a degree of native Linux support. If they could find a way to run KDE or Gnome applications natively rather than through X11 that would be a major step. Metadata support with the ability to organize and search for your files more inteligently through the GUI would be a huge step (think smart folders the way you have smart playlists in iTunes).

[nmk]

First of all, what icons are you talking about?

I'm talking about application icons. They can theoretically be scaled infinately (the GUI poses restrictions on how much you can scale). This would be impossible using traditional gif, jpeg, bmp sort of technologies.

[~Shard~]

uh oh...

Konfabulator creator Arlo Rose must know something.

he doesn't sound too happy - and i doubt he's going by rumor alone.

http://www2.konfabulator.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3903

looks like some kind of Dashboard app IS coming, imo.

Interesting little discusison - thanks for the link. This does bring a little more validity to the rumors, but of course, they're essentially going off the same rumors we are. Although I agree, Arlo makes it sound like he knows something...

Tomorrow all will be revealed! :cool:

[newamiga]

As I remember the Sherlock Watson thing, they didn't let them know in advance that they had stolen their ideas. This time it appears as if Arlo has some foreknowledge.

uh oh...

Konfabulator creator Arlo Rose must know something.

he doesn't sound too happy - and i doubt he's going by rumor alone.

http://www2.konfabulator.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3903

looks like some kind of Dashboard app IS coming, imo.

[beg_ne]

don't wait for longhorn. xp has various features that mac os x don't.

Two can play that game. I counter your lame collage with my (less) lame collage.

[Manuel Moreno]

I don't want to start a flame war here, but man you have got to be kidding if you think that Win XP as it currently exists is anywhere near as visualy appealing or useful as OS X even in its 10.3 form.

Defrag or speed your brain activity, before use Windows. If you think that windows is not that fast, customizable, full-featured, comparing with mac os x, then i recommend u to make a random pool outthere.
I've seen various websites trying to ranking (mostly are made by mac zealots) both systems. In my opinion, and macuser since 1995 (pc >1990), studing computer enginieering, apple's surprise me with some inovations (quartz, rendevouz, expose) but that part of the system that should be dedicated to the user itself (help, notification, customization, advanced features for views, specially in finder, dock) are very basic.


First of all, Quartz is also a vector based GUI. That is why you can scale your icons infinately without losing any quality.
Yes, they call this tecnology Apple Lossless Icon... :D

[~Shard~]

Two can play that game. I counter your lame collage with my (less) lame collage.

HAHA - sweet, that's the best laugh I've had all day - well done! I was confused by the previous poster's useless collage as well. Thanks for this! :) :cool:

[robbieduncan]

First of all, Quartz is also a vector based GUI. That is why you can scale your icons infinately without losing any quality. I don't quite know what you mean by scaleable, but graphics in Quarts can be physically scaled to any level. If you are talking from a development point of view, you shuld clarify. Jobs does realize that people like to customise, he just doesn't give a ****. He feels that he has better taste than you do, and doesn't want to give you the opportunity to deface his creation.

Longhorns GUI is in no way more advanced than Quartz. Visually it is gaudy, which is to be expected from MS. They can try to copy Apple, but taste is something you either have or don't (and MS don't). OS X is elegant and understated. Apple has actually made the interface less colorful in Panther. In the initial releases of OS X they were trying to impress people with their flashy new 3D GUI. Over time, as they have gotten used to the technology good taste has prevailed. I've heard people complain that the Powerbook doesn't have fancy flashing lights on it like Windows Notebooks. I believe that the Longhorn GUI will appeal to this group, but not the typical Mac user.

First off most of Aqua is Vector based, but Icons are not. Note that Aqua is the UI, Quartz is the rendering technology. It is probably possible to render Aqua on a different backend (as long as it supports at least the same features as Quartz) and it's certainly possible to use Quartz to do non-Aqua things. Anyway icons on OSX are at most 128x128 pixel sprites in 32 bit colour. They cannot be scaled without a loss of quality as they are not Vector based.

The Longhorn renderer does seem to be a little more advanced than the current Quartz renderer (Quartz Extreme). In Quartz Extreme the rendering of each window (possibly of each control, but I think it's done at a window level) is done by the CPU in main memory. These windows are then transfered to the graphics card to be composited (i.e. layered one on top of each other with transparency). The longhorn renderer seems to draw most of the UI on the graphics card as well as rendering it. So it should be faster. It is possible that the next version of the Quartz engine will put more of the work on the graphics card than the current one.

[picklescott]

The ThinkSecret article (link: UPDATE #1) is still hosting the images (bottom of page). Surely Apple Legal will bring them down soon?...

[rendezvouscp]

Yes, they call this tecnology Apple Lossless Icon... :D

LOL! Really, I am laughing out loud. Very funny.
–Chase

[jessefoxperry]

uh oh...

Konfabulator creator Arlo Rose must know something.

he doesn't sound too happy - and i doubt he's going by rumor alone.

http://www2.konfabulator.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3903

looks like some kind of Dashboard app IS coming, imo.

ooooo sweet sweet controversy!! thanks for the linkage! ;)

btw, can someone fill me in on who apple stole sherlock from?

[rendezvouscp]

I wouldn't say that Sherlock was stolen, but it is very very very(!) similar to Watson (http://www.karelia.com/watson/).
–Chase

[nubero]

Until Apple can make Quartz run as snappily (on my dual g5 with a 9800) as system 9 did on the fastest Mac way back when, They are behind M$. I dont want to wait around for some fancy effect to finish its animation, I want instant resizing etc. I hate having to run a PC as well, but it REALLY breaks my heart that XP has a much faster responsiveness than OSX.

My guess is, that Apple would have no problem in making the OS X Interface at least 8x as fast as it is now... That is, if it breaks with every rule in clean and standards-based programming.

M$ doesn't give a rats ass about compatibility with old software or building a foundation for new. They code for the moment. Don't forget, that PDF 1.3 is completely integrated into Quartz. So it's not just about looks.

Of course, if Apple would throw away everything and just make a fancy looking interface it would also be snappy from the beginning. But that's not that they are making an ARCHITECTURE for...

It is esentially like with QuickTime: It is not a Video Format or Codec. It's a Foundation/Architecture.

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[ThomasW]

To clarify why the Longhorn UI is vector-based and the Mac OS X UI isn't:

Let's assume you have two 17" monitors, one has a resolution of 1024*768 and the other one is a very expensive high resolution monitor with 4096*3072 pixels. The expensive monitor has a resolution of 300dpi so it is able to display text and graphics as sharp as a laser printout.
However, instead of displaying everything more sharply on that great screen, Mac OS X will make everything extremely tiny, so that 16 times as much fits on the screen. You will hardly be able to read the fonts. You could tell InDesign or Word to display everything at 400% and you would have the desired effect, but that would only work in some applications and it would NOT make the UI (window title bars, controls, menus etc.) any bigger. And if you use the zoom feature (of Mac OS X itself), you will just make the pixels bigger, so that your 300dpi display will look like a standard display with only 72dpi.

Longhorn, however, will be resolution-independant. If you connect a 300dpi monitor, you will see that everything is pin sharp, but as large as on a standard 72dpi screen.

The Longhorn UI will have some other useful advantages, if Mac OS X doesn't beat Longhorn to it, e.g.:

1.) It's a LOT faster and more responsive than the current Quartz 2D.
2.) It runs great over a network or the internet. It still works quite good if you're connected to the Terminal Server with a 56k Modem. Try to use vnc or Apple Remote Desktop with a 56k Modem :(

The Longhorn graphics system ("Avalon") has been created in two years by a group of 200(!) developers, so yes, it will really be THAT GOOD when it will be released in another two years. And Avalon will not be the only innovative new feature of Longhorn. And who knows, maybe Microsoft will even find out how to make a decent interface - no, that's too absurd. :D

I really hope that Apple will update the Mac OS in time to stay ahead of Microsoft. Yes, Tiger will probably be out in early 2005, while Longhorn will be out in 2006, but that means that the version after Tiger will probably be released at about the same time as Longhorn. In order to really prevent Microsoft from catching up Apple should have some corresponding features in Mac OS X Tiger now, not only in the next version.

[365]

ooooo sweet sweet controversy!! thanks for the linkage! ;)

btw, can someone fill me in on who apple stole sherlock from?

They didn't someone took the principal of Sherlock and added features and called it ( cough ) Watson then when Apple added their own similar features to Sherlock people cried foul ... Konfabulator is another case of blagging an idean and then crying foul when someone does the same back. A application called Object Desktop used the principal years back.

[Manuel Moreno]

Two can play that game. I counter your lame collage with my (less) lame collage.

sure, i can't even compare...
you show me..
.safari, instead a finder window showing me google...
.the view options floating window, instead a right button click above columns
.column view on finder, that thing that can't be sorted in another way...
.dock applications, not the status of system resources

So, my collage is lame because it shows some basic features that should be addressed in mac os x.

so, make a new collage, if you can, deniing that:

.The organization model in network is far superior in windows;
.Windows interface is fully customizable, even effects can be turned off/ not like Mac OS X
.You can't copy files to a ftp mounted volume...
.You can't access google from the finder...
.Finder don't create thumbnails for video and images on the fly for icon view..only in column mode, with a 2 second lag per click..
.Menu bar system items don't have a good instant visual notification
.Mac OS X Help is poor, based in questions that are linked to flat topics, sometimes without any relationship.

[johnnowak]

uh oh...

Konfabulator creator Arlo Rose must know something.

he doesn't sound too happy - and i doubt he's going by rumor alone.

http://www2.konfabulator.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3903

looks like some kind of Dashboard app IS coming, imo.

Arlo Rose is a jerk anyway.

[johnnowak]

They didn't someone took the principal of Sherlock and added features and called it ( cough ) Watson then when Apple added their own similar features to Sherlock people cried foul ... Konfabulator is another case of blagging an idean and then crying foul when someone does the same back. A application called Object Desktop used the principal years back.

Exactly.

[Mr Scruff]

In my opinion, and macuser since 1995 (pc >1990), studing computer enginieering, apple's surprise me with some inovations (quartz, rendevouz, expose) but that part of the system that should be dedicated to the user itself (help, notification, customization, advanced features for views, specially in finder, dock) are very basic.

As someone that also studied computer science, I can assure you that the average computer scientist or software engineer knows very little about interface design.

[diego]

sure, i can't even compare...
you show me..
.safari, instead a finder window showing me google...
.the view options floating window, instead a right button click above columns
.column view on finder, that thing that can't be sorted in another way...
.dock applications, not the status of system resources

So, my collage is lame because it shows some basic features that should be addressed in mac os x.

so, make a new collage, if you can, deniing that:

.The organization model in network is far superior in windows;
.Windows interface is fully customizable, even effects can be turned off/ not like Mac OS X
.You can't copy files to a ftp mounted volume...
.You can't access google from the finder...
.Finder don't create thumbnails for video and images on the fly for icon view..only in column mode, with a 2 second lag per click..
.Menu bar system items don't have a good instant visual notification
.Mac OS X Help is poor, based in questions that are linked to flat topics, sometimes without any relationship.


Ugh, trolls go to GNAA please or somewhere else, and about the status of system resources there's an utility called Activity Monitor, it comes with Mac OS if you didn't know or have never used Mac OS X.

[Lancetx]

They didn't someone took the principal of Sherlock and added features and called it ( cough ) Watson then when Apple added their own similar features to Sherlock people cried foul ... Konfabulator is another case of blagging an idean and then crying foul when someone does the same back. A application called Object Desktop used the principal years back.

My thoughts exactly. We also heard the same crying when Apple added command-tab application switching enhancements in Panther as well when it was M$ if it was anybody that Apple was copying in that instance. :) It's virtually unavoidable for Apple to avoid stepping on a few toes as OS X progresses, so there is no use crying over spilled milk.

[ChrisH3677]

Arn had a post referencing old threads where people gave all sorts of reasons why the Panther screenshots were fake (which turned out to be real). Entertaining.

Which is why I'm not saying outright (anymore!) that they're fake.

My latest thought is they are mock-ups of what someone with a bit of inside knowledge has seen or heard.

PS I can't find any Search box (Finder, iTunes, Safari) that doesn't have the triangle - even if there's no previous searches.

[autrefois]

The ThinkSecret article (link: UPDATE #1) is still hosting the images (bottom of page). Surely Apple Legal will bring them down soon?...

How do things like that work? If Apple sent ThinkSecret an e-mail (like Arn said happened to him), how long do they have until they have to take them down? Couldn't ThinkSecret just argue that the administrator(s) didn't read their e-mail (it is Sunday afternoon after all) and then just leave the photos up until Monday?

[nsb3000]

uh oh...

Konfabulator creator Arlo Rose must know something.

he doesn't sound too happy - and i doubt he's going by rumor alone.

http://www2.konfabulator.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3903

looks like some kind of Dashboard app IS coming, imo.

It does not sound to me like he knows more than we do, just pissed of f(Which he should be)

[homebrew31182]

why dont all of you go try to look the screen shots again...you will see that they have been removed at request of apple legal...which means they are real or at least very close representation... so all of you little kiddies that think you know so damn much about how os x looks and should look...please just shut up and wait untill tomorrow

[Punani]

Although I agree that it's inevitable for some toe stepping in the evolution of System X, I don't think that leaving the creators out in the dark is good. It would behoove Apple to at least talk to the developers and hopefully work with them in some sort of way that is beneficial to both parties.

With that...

I wonder if Dashboard is going to be powered by AppleScript, rather than JavaScript as in Konfabulator.

[rendezvouscp]

why dont all of you go try to look the screen shots again...you will see that they have been removed at request of apple legal...which means they are real or at least very close representation... so all of you little kiddies that think you know so damn much about how os x looks and should look...please just shut up and wait untill tomorrow

No need to be mean about it, it is a rumors site anyway. We are here to discuss all of these screenshots, just our opinion. Just because Apple legal stepped in doesn't mean that they are anywhere close to being right. BTW, some of us do know what Mac OS X should look and feel like, because we have read the Apple Human Interface Guidelines (HTML (http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/OSXHIGuidelines/index.html) or PDF (http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/OSXHIGuidelines/OSXHIGuidelines.pdf). Just be nice, please.
–Chase

[Don't panic]

sure, i can't even compare...
you show me..
.safari, instead a finder window showing me google...
.the view options floating window, instead a right button click above columns
.column view on finder, that thing that can't be sorted in another way...
.dock applications, not the status of system resources

So, my collage is lame because it shows some basic features that should be addressed in mac os x.

so, make a new collage, if you can, deniing that:

.The organization model in network is far superior in windows;
.Windows interface is fully customizable, even effects can be turned off/ not like Mac OS X
.You can't copy files to a ftp mounted volume...
.You can't access google from the finder...
.Finder don't create thumbnails for video and images on the fly for icon view..only in column mode, with a 2 second lag per click..
.Menu bar system items don't have a good instant visual notification
.Mac OS X Help is poor, based in questions that are linked to flat topics, sometimes without any relationship.

Manuel,
I think that you're not getting the point of beg_ne. I think he made a moreless random mix of window/menus, because that's exactly what yours looked like (to me and, clearly, others).
I don't know if you have a point, you might. But to make it, you have to make sure that people know what you're talking about.
If your selection of windows was carefully chosen to show the superiority of XP, than that wasn't clear to anybody but you.
So next time, instead of a collage of apparently random images, try to make a logical exposition of your points and you might get a logical response

[picklescott]

this might have been mentioned earlier....
but look at your safari google search bar.
notice the magnifying glass and the drop-down triangle?

the system preferences window doesn't have the triangle, despite a drop-down list being present.

[sockeatingdryer]

Hmm were you at the longhorn preview launch in LA? It is quite difficult to explain why it is better than the quartz system (sadly) in terms of UI responsiveness. Until Apple can make Quartz run as snappily (on my dual g5 with a 9800) as system 9 did on the fastest Mac way back when, They are behind M$. I dont want to wait around for some fancy effect to finish its animation, I want instant resizing etc. I hate having to run a PC as well, but it REALLY breaks my heart that XP has a much faster responsiveness than OSX.

Yes, the M$ interface sucks, which is why at the ground level it is fully customisable this time around.

I, for one, would prefer a darker interface and the complete dropping of metal. More like what they have going in Studio Pro and Shake (palette wise for Shake not icon-wise).The stripes and the metal are not good for your eyes.

Um, I don't know about you, but I get better response on my '04 SD eMac with Panther than I did with my Bondi Blue iMac on OS 9, ever.

[picklescott]

also... people talking about typos...

on a multi-user system, with two accounts logged in, go to apple-> shut down. click shut down, and then it will prompt for an admin name/password.

there is no period in the last sentence of the notification

[aldo]

this might have been mentioned earlier....
but look at your safari google search bar.
notice the magnifying glass and the drop-down triangle?

the system preferences window doesn't have the triangle, despite a drop-down list being present.

it has, but the whole point of the arrow is to store your previous searches OR select different types of search (as in mail and itunes). In system prefs you won't need a list of your last searches nor will you need to select a type of search.

Therefore, there is no need for an arrow to be there.

[djdarlek]

These pics can't be real.

Tomorrow Apple is going to reveal the next step in OSX history. Somehow I doubt it would be as lame as these awful improvements look. Remember last time when everyone was creaming them selves over the idea of 'Piles'?? and what was the one minor thing we overlooked in all our predicting? thats right; Expose.

If you're still not certain, why not read this line a few times, and then look at the pictures.

Preview the highly evolved Mac*OS*X “Tiger.”


Exactly, they are hardly highly evolved! ;)

i guess we'll all find out one way or another tomorrow, but i seriously doubt Apple will want to make everyone cry, which is exactly what would happen if they projected these pictures up infront of an audience.

[Manuel Moreno]

As someone that also studied computer science, I can assure you that the average computer scientist or software engineer knows very little about interface design.

Professional people are behind Apple and Microsoft, working in UI designs.
So, they are good on booth companies.

In fact, the Mac OS classic interface has 20 years. Even in Mac OS X, there's no practical revolution... (even expose, released in 2003 is a solution to an old problem - the leak of multiple document interfaces on mac, and application workspace) So, if you think that 20 years without innovating is a good thing for Apple, i bet for Microsoft.

Microsoft started integrating something in windows called task based ui.
Task based UI is the future, because normal people don't have to learn too much. Also, an operating system that allows booth modes and custom settings for this new model are ideal OSes.

More one time, apple's irrationality will stagnate the OS, one OS that would be able to be one of the best of the world for the consumer and pros (or to 95% of them)

(my opinions are based in the final consumer. i love my powerbook :P)

[nmk]

The organization model in network is far superior in windows;
.Windows interface is fully customizable, even effects can be turned off/ not like Mac OS X
.You can't copy files to a ftp mounted volume...
.You can't access google from the finder...
.Finder don't create thumbnails for video and images on the fly for icon view..only in column mode, with a 2 second lag per click..
.Menu bar system items don't have a good instant visual notification
.Mac OS X Help is poor, based in questions that are linked to flat topics, sometimes without any relationship.

1) One of my collegues was looking at me while I was browsing a wireless network. He was very impressed by the way the finder browses Local Networks.

2) Many effects can be turned off in OS X. The remaining effects do not take any resources or time to render. Windows looks like crap regardless of what settings you choose.

3)Correct, you cant transfer files to ftp mounted volumes (there are free third party alternatives.

4) Not being able to access google from the Finder can be considered a feature. It would be a security risk to allow the Finder to act as a http web browser (IE).

5) It does create thumbnails for pictures in realtime for icon view. There is no lag per click.

6)No they don't have too much visual information. Dock items do. Most windows notifications are irritating anyway. I don't need to know I've plugged in a new peripheral in OS X. I know it's plugged in becuase I'm the one who plugged it in and it started working the instant it was plugged in. "Network Cable has been removed". Wow, I really needed to know that since I'm the one who removed it.

7)OS X help is far better than Windows help. MS's attempt at a task based help system has failed. Most of the time you cant find the answers to your questions. When answers are found, the solution is unclear. OS X help is brief and to the point. More importantly, instructions are clear and concise.

[DGFan]

To clarify why the Longhorn UI is vector-based and the Mac OS X UI isn't:

Let's assume you have two 17" monitors, one has a resolution of 1024*768 and the other one is a very expensive high resolution monitor with 4096*3072 pixels.

*snip*

The Longhorn graphics system ("Avalon") has been created in two years by a group of 200(!) developers

So you're telling me that it took 400 man years of labor to make a 4096*3072 monitor behave like a 1024*768 monitor? I mean, if you're not going to show more stuff why have all those extra pixels? It's not like you can see anything at those resolutions unless you scale everything anyway.

Yes, a full vector system would be nice. But, no, I don't think it will matter for a long time. A few companies seem to *love* rewriting their applications from scratch every couple of years. But most people don't like doing that just so people can use obscene monitors.

[DGFan]

".You can't access google from the finder..."

What kind of fool wants to access a website from the file browser? They're totally separate activities.

".Menu bar system items don't have a good instant visual notification"

LOL Now I know you're crazy. You prefer 32*32 icons that are barely visible on most PC monitors over 128*128 application icons that can update themself while running. Oh-kay

[365]

http://www.livejournal.com/users/drengy/62054.html

[Manuel Moreno]

1,2,3...

1"by the way the finder browses"
(what way?)
2"not take any resources or time to render"
(LOL?)
3"alternatives"
(a leak, right?)
4"security risk"
(why?)
5"does create"
(the finder, or the application?)
6"are irritating anyway"
(one OS without choises?)
7"task based help system has failed"
(don't u know that X help is equally task based)

14 years old?
Speak to the end cause the face won't listen.

[nsb3000]

My thoughts exactly. We also heard the same crying when Apple added command-tab application switching enhancements in Panther as well when it was M$ if it was anybody that Apple was copying in that instance. :) It's virtually unavoidable for Apple to avoid stepping on a few toes as OS X progresses, so there is no use crying over spilled milk.

I think we need to wait and see on this question. All we have are screen shoots...how useful this "Dashboad" is will depend a lot on how it is implemented. It may turn out to be quite different from Konfabulater.

[fastred]

I actually like the Dashboard (irrepective of whether its real or a mock-up)...

:)

Fastred

[fastred]

http://www.livejournal.com/users/drengy/62054.html

These are hilarious!!

:)

[nsb3000]

http://www.livejournal.com/users/drengy/62054.html

These Pics are Great! Perhaps this hints at some the new features/improvements?

[AMPrkm]

http://www.livejournal.com/users/drengy/62054.html

WHOA!!!

Anyone who has not clicked that link yet should do so now. There's definitely more to Tiger than those silly alleged screen shots.

Have you clicked it yet?

Really, click it.

[aldo]

Certainly getting very exciting :D

I really hope there is a Quicktime stream - watching it last time (MWSF) was a lot of fun :D

[TMA]

These are hilarious!!

:)

"Introduced Longhorn."
"This should keep Redmond busy."
"Redmond, we have a problem."
"Redmond, start your photocopiers"

:) :rolleyes: :D

[applekid]

I wouldn't say that Sherlock was stolen, but it is very very very(!) similar to Watson (http://www.karelia.com/watson/).
–Chase

I don't think so...

The awards for Watson were from 2002. The Sherlock that's similar to Watson was in Jaguar. Jaguar was released in 2001. I always remembered people saying Watson was a good supplement to Sherlock. Nobody stole anything.

But, if you want to talk about what Apple stole for Panther, there is LiteSwitch. Press command+tab and you've got what LiteSwitch did before Panther was every revealed.

We haven't had much hype for Tiger. Panther had a bit of hype. Jaguar had tons of hype. When the G5s were close to release, I remember that month of June, Apple had that picture of a postcard signed by Steve telling us something big was happening. This time, there seems to be nothing like that. We've still got a postage-sized graphic link on the front-page instead of it filling up most of the front-page. THE SILENCE IS KILLING ME!!! JUST ONE MORE DAY... relax...

[rendezvouscp]

Sorry, but Jaguar was released on August 24, 2002, and even a little bit before for the newly shipping PowerMacs. Mac OS X was only introduced in a final form on March 24, 2001.
–Chase

[beg_ne]

Speak to the end cause the face won't listen.

Dude if you don't know how to speak english that well you shouldn't be trying to burn people with bad and INCORRECT english taunts.

As to your list, well I'm not going to answer any of them for you because.
A) It's a waste of my time.
and, B) It will piss you off

which is a win/win situation for me.

I did find it funny you mentioned in one of your posts how "task based ui" is the way of the future, were you reading from the Bible of Thurrott when you came up with that? Because it certainly isn't the way of the future unless you're an idiot who will accept what ever abuse MS wants to throw your way. Task Based UI's are a bad "solution" to Microsoft's inability to create decent UI's and programs in the first place.

[alexrd]

1"by the way the finder browses"
(what way?)
2"not take any resources or time to render"
(LOL?)
3"alternatives"
(a leak, right?)
4"security risk"
(why?)
5"does create"
(the finder, or the application?)
6"are irritating anyway"
(one OS without choises?)
7"task based help system has failed"
(don't u know that X help is equally task based)

14 years old?
Speak to the end cause the face won't listen.


1) An OS X box in a properly configured SMB/CIFS environment browses the local network in much the same way XP does. You can sort through Domains, visualized as folders, and connect to machines. For servers not registered on the domain, you can enter WINS, DNS, or IP addresses directly. Mounted servers appear on the top level "My Computer" analog.
Granted, this system fails to work more often on OSX than XP, but MS has the advantage of actually being able to look at the SMB/CIFS APIs and specifications... It's a bit harder when you have to reverse engineer everything (even if it is the samba team doing the reverse engineering...). Regardless, this is a refinement problem, not a basic functionality problem.

2) This is perhaps your one valid point. It would be nice to be able to customize the OSX GUI more, both in terms of resource utilization and in terms of looks. Good thing it's so much better than XP's defaults to begin with.

3 & 4) "A Leak" Huh? What are you talking about? The FTP browse (or more to the point, the FTP "put") are broken in the current finder. Again, a refinement problem, not one of basic functionality.
A web browser built into your file browsing utility is a bad idea on two counts: first, security, and second, software bloat. The web is a hostile environment, and your file browser is the very heart of access to your machine. Does that sound like a good combination? Add in ActiveX controls that dig into just about every API you can think of, and you have a recipe for a wide open front door.
Above and beyond that, what does rendering HTML have to do with browsing a file tree? Anything at all? I didn't think so. So why include that functionality in your file browser? Just because you can do something doesn't mean that you should.
All that being said, there is one aspect of the Windows Explorer network browsing that is rather nice: the ability to type a server address in the form of "\\server\share" directly in the explorer address bar. This functionality is recreated fairly well by OSX's "Connect to Server..." menu item, but having it in the same window is nice (perhaps a good use for a sheet in OSX).
To belabor the point, this sort of browsing has everything to do with navigating files, in a way that being able to "use google in the Finder" just doesn't. The burden of proof is on you/MS to tell me why having web browsing integrated into file browsing is a feature and not a bug.

5) In Column view, the finder generates its own previews same as XP. It would be nice to see this extended to the other views. Most OSX applications also generate custom icons.

6) Windows clearly goes overboard with its notifications. "You have moved your mouse. Click here for more information" ;)
Most casual users simply ignore everything Windows tells them since it's constantly bugging you about everything. As NMK noted, OSX also requires fewer notification events because most of the lower level stuff is taken for granted (aka, no need to notify about a USB plug-in) in Windows you need need these notifications, because you can't even take the simple things for granted.
OSX does a good job of using the Dock to display a lot of info from a lot of apps, all segregated by function. When OSX pops up a notification dialog, you listen, because it hasn't been hounding you all day.
Again, more is not better, and just 'cause you can.....

7) MS should be commended for attempting to bring a task-based paradigm into XP.... unfortunately, their implementation doesn't seem to be good for much of anything. While it is interesting to see Windows parse a folder full of mp3's as being a "music folder," it doesn't actually add any useful functionality, rather it just muddles the interface and weakens the file-browsing paradigm. The first thing I have to do to make XP useable is put the start menu back in classic view and turn off all the "task based" nonsense in the control panels and such. Kudos for the attempt at something new, but it really can't be considered an asset.
Hopefully apple will introduce more meta-data into their filesystem (always a hot rumor) and combine this with more task-type interface elements. Apple, at least, might be able to make it Not Suck.
As to help systems. Frankly, they both stink. Neither one has ever turned up any useful info. the UNIX man pages, primitive as they are, do a much better job than either. Hopefully one of the two companies can come up with a help system that actually does sometime this decade (it's about friggin time).

OSX does some things better than windows, windows has a few edges over OSX, but overall the OSX paradigm is cleaner, more easily navigated and accessed by users of all levels, and dare I say it, more beautiful. Hopefully it will learn from XP, just as Windows copied shamelessly from OS6-9. When Longhorn finally does stumble out of the barn at Redmond, we'll see where OSX is (Ocelot? Serval?) and who really has the edge.

[Edit: minor formatting changes for clarity]

-alex.

[reorx]

14 years old?
Speak to the end cause the face won't listen.

Wow, babelfish does a terrible job at translating our pop-culture catch phrases... I know what you MEANT to say, but man, thats one akward sentence... ;)

[a_iver]

Speak to the end cause the face won't listen.
Really??? It seems to me you've responded to just about every one who disagreed with you with nothing but a simple desire to flame. With all these responses on your ending statement I'm not quite sure how you'll pull this off. On that note, like previously suggested, if you want more people to get in a long off topic conversation, you should instead resort to understand what words you are trying to insult them with. I love foreigners just as much as americans, but a troll is a troll. If you like staying up late at night picking fights I suggest you go on a Yahoo chat instead of a rumors forum. I'm sure the babel the others have spoken about in reference to you will fit in quite nicely there with the other 14 year olds.

Meanwhile, to everyone else - Another reason I don't think the screenshots are real is because of the "Tiger Rocks, Baby" note. That doesn't seem like the kind of thing Apple would do either, and would be a huge disappointment for business looking to work on macs. They want to see clean and tidy, not techno-ish and messy. They want to attract teenagers but I don't think they want it that bad. Of course I could be wrong too, like so many others have said after Apple Legal stepped in. I sure hope not.

[rendezvouscp]

I don't think those would be from Apple, but rather just taken within Tiger by a person unrelated to Apple's marketing. So the Tiger remark in Stickies would just be an opinion from the user, not Apple.
–Chase

[aftk2]

But, if you want to talk about what Apple stole for Panther, there is LiteSwitch. Press command+tab and you've got what LiteSwitch did before Panther was every revealed.

Bah. I was using an application switcher in OS 9 4-5 years ago when it was part of Action's GoMac, a Windows 95/98 task bar emulator for classic Mac OS. The command-tab application switcher (even with shift to move in the opposite direction, and command-q to quit apps) was hardly an innovation (although it's damn pretty in OS X.)

Now Karelia, as far as I'm concerned, should (still?) feel majorly pissed about Watson/Sherlock: Watson was released on November 27th, 2001 (http://www.karelia.com/pr/pr.html), while Jaguar was first previewed in May of 2002, and then released in July, 2002 (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2002/jul/17jaguar.html).

[a_iver]

I don't think those would be from Apple, but rather just taken within Tiger by a person unrelated to Apple's marketing. So the Tiger remark in Stickies would just be an opinion from the user, not Apple.
–Chase

You were right. :) I guess now that I saw the quicktime movie it's not as bad as I thought. I think Tiger will be a good upgrade and I look forward to buying it.

[DMann]

You were right. :) I guess now that I saw the quicktime movie it's not as bad as I thought. I think Tiger will be a good upgrade and I look forward to buying it.

Is this the demo on the Apple Web-site or
the actual Quicktime web-stream you are
referring to?

[ratspg]

tiger will be refined with search and lots of other cool things, the widgets, while still ripping off konfab... the effects are awesome :) i enjoyed em, lol

[G4-power]

2) Many effects can be turned off in OS X. The remaining effects do not take any resources or time to render. Windows looks like crap regardless of what settings you choose.

Exactly. And you don't always have to TURN them off, OS X does it for you. For an example Ati Rage 128 Pro doesn't run Quartz Extreme too well, so instead of waiting for minutes to render the transition in Fast User Switching, it just doesn't do it.

[rendezvouscp]

While I did vote real, I'm really surprised that these are real. They do look a lot better after the demo though. It feels like Dashboard isn't really part of the main OS, so these different colors aren't meant to be in coordination with the rest. I am still curious what button you do press for Dashboard, I haven't been able to find out anywhere.
–Chase

[a_iver]

Is this the demo on the Apple Web-site or
the actual Quicktime web-stream you are
referring to?

Just the demo. At least that's what I think it is. It's on the Apple website:

www.apple.com/macosx/tiger and then click the dashboard feature on the right and then the link to the movie to the right. To lazy to get the full length URL :D

[G4-power]

While I did vote real, I'm really surprised that these are real. They do look a lot better after the demo though. It feels like Dashboard isn't really part of the main OS, so these different colors aren't meant to be in coordination with the rest. I am still curious what button you do press for Dashboard, I haven't been able to find out anywhere.
–Chase

I'm also very surprised that they were real. I also think that they look better after the demo, and I'm probably going to use Dashboard a LOT when I get my hands on Tiger. The colors don't look so bad anymore either. Which button? I guess you can choose, like for Exposé, but the default could be for an example F8?