WWDC Keynote Over

[MacRumors]

Apple's 2004 WWDC Keynote is over.

Summary can be found here (http://www.macrumors.com/events/wwdc2004.html).

Site will be updated shortly with new information and forums will reopen shortly.

[BakedBeans]

in my opinion that sucks...

[sebisworld]

I hope they release PowerBooks this Tuesday

[amols]

It was terrible compared to last year's WWDC. No iMacs, no iPods, no Powermacs, obviously no Powerbooks, disappointing display lineup (except for 30" and GF 6800 Ultra) and no Tiger till one full year. So much for the 20th anniversary. Although 30" display is awesome, I have to admit that. And thanks Arn and Mudbug for live coverage.

[Ajmbc]

There is not as much as we were hoping for, one of his most dissapointing keynotes.

ajmbc

[BakedBeans]

It was terrible compared to last year's WWDC. No iMacs, no iPods, no Powermacs, obviously no Powerbooks, disappointing display lineup (except for 30" and GF 6800 Ultra) and no Tiger till one full year. So much for the 20th anniversary. Although 30" display is awesome, I have to admit that

how ugly are those displays ( in my opinion)

im really disapointed... i thought there would have been more, but hey

[MacFan25]

Not the most exciting keynote, but Tiger is going to have some nice new features. I guess Apple hasn't set a price for it yet...we'll probably have to wait on that.

I think the new 30" display is going to look awesome. I really would like to see it in a store.

Thanks to everyone who helped out. The IRC room was packed, but it seems to have gone well.

[ts1973]

Well, everything as expected.

I'm not really disappointed, as I didn't expect more... but still : a little extra at the end would've been nice...

[Acoustica]

"Borrowing" widgets, Tiger not till 2005, displays without price drop, $600 graphics card just to use a $3400 display (which means no matter which way you look at it, it's a $4000 display) and some codec we won't see for another 8 months...this is the biggest tease I have ever seen come from Apple in a long time. :confused:

[pivo6]

I guess they all can't be good.

[wPod]

the displays look awsome. . . anyone want to loan a poor college student some money?!!!?! the 30 inch rocks but is a killer in price!! (especially since it wont fit on my PB. . . id have to get a powermac also!)

[aethier]

to all the people who are going to complain about lack of imacs, etc. just reminding you that this was a developers conference. imacs will be later,

and wwdc was still cool, we did after all get the 6800 (wish it was a x800, but beggers can't be chosers)

and tiger has some cool new features

aethier

[2A Batterie]

I've been waiting nearly 6 months for something to happen and it thought it was today. I've been waiting to be my first new Mac, which I desperately need, and I wasn't going to bite the bullet till after WWDC. Hell, I could've bought a G5 6 months ago but I didn't because I thought something huge was going to happen (ie 3ghz). I'm waiting to buy all of my apple stuff at once and I though we would've at least seen a new ipod. Tiger looks cool, but I'm just a professional audio guy, not a developer, so I don't understand it all. WWDC is for developers, but throw us non-developers who use high-end Mac for professial apps a freakin' bone here! Garageband changed my life, literally, and just something like that would have made me soil my undergarments. I guess I was expecting the holy grail, but I guess WWDC was truly for developers last year. I'll take a page from Brian and look on the bright side.

[smllpx]

Jaguar copies LiteSwitch X
Tiger copies Konfabulator?

or did I miss something?

[aswitcher]

the displays look awsome. . . anyone want to loan a poor college student some money?!!!?! the 30 inch rocks but is a killer in price!! (especially since it wont fit on my PB. . . id have to get a powermac also!)

I think they got the displays mostly right. Ports on the back could be annoying...

[MacFan26]

I was just suprised that Tiger wouldn't be available until 2005, at least they could have had it available in November/December like the other updates. This seems quite early for a preview, but I guess being a developer conference it wasn't too early. For me, the consumer, more than six months away! Why even announce it?

[numediaman]

A totally boring keynote. A few interesting items in Tiger -- but otherwise, Apple continues to disappoint in 2004.

[iggyb]

WOOHOO! New G5 iMacs I'm so excited wait nevermind aw sh!!t.

What a terrible year this has been to "celebrate" the 20th anniversary of the Mac. Apple is sucking thus far in 2004.

The year is half over. Give us some new computers, Apple!!!!!!! PM upgrades weren't all that impressive, especially since the stupid prediction that we would be at 3GHz by now...

[kgarner]

I'm just glad they ditched ADC and went to a standard DVI. And personally I think the new displays look really nice. If I had the cash I would pick one up.

[g4cubed]

Jaguar copies LiteSwitch X
Tiger copies Konfabulator?

or did I miss something?

I don't think so, or I missed it too. :rolleyes:

[denm316]

My new G5 iMac is going to look great in my office, oh wait they didnt release that....

Thant was by far the WORST keynote ever, in January didnt Steve say they had some pretty exciting things lined up for this year, I guess the exciting things will wait till christmas, hell...11:59pm on December 31st still counts as this year.

[smllpx]

Good thread (http://www2.konfabulator.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3903&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0) at the Konfabulator forums with thoughs of the developers.
edit: and check out K's front page (http://www.konfabulator.com/)

[aldo]

I think this has been very disapointing indeed.

Tiger doesn't really look all that good, I was expecting a lot more from it. However, it is a good year off so hopefully they'll add a lot more too it.

What is going on at Apple? Tiger isn't a huge leap so it's not OS development. They haven't even got any new standalone apps out apart from Motion so far, which won't be out for another few months. Hardware side is lacking too - new displays, ipod mini and a bumped powermac and laptops is really lacklusture.

I'm hoping of a lot from the iMac G5 but who knows when it will be out.

Oh also, way to go Apple pricing yourself too highly on monitors. 30" is nice but there is not going to be a lot of business for them. 17" has gone which I would of liked. Oh well :/

[ziwi]

In a word - "Ouch".

Was hoping for a bit more.

[noel4r]

No wonder there wasn't a webcast. There was nothing worth seeing.

[BakedBeans]

No wonder there wasn't a webcast. There was nothing worth seeing.

very well said

i think were all a bit gutted here.... but nevermind....boo hoo

[Savage Henry]

Yep ... dull as elasticated-waist pants with stirrups.

nasdaq seem to think so too with the price dropping nearly 4% by one and a half bucks.

oh well....... :(

[movabi]

I guess i was expecting to see some finder improvements and dock improvements (springloaded folders) not to mention a faster finder. I never even guessed that apple would have a konfabulator rip off... I think konfabulator is nice but i get bored with it and stop using it. Never thought apple would take notice of what some people call a novelty app. I guess its good eyecandy. One nice thing about it is that you can access widgets through exposé. It would be excellent if you could use konfabulator widgets or replace apple's implementation with konfabulator.. I highly doubt it. Core image sounds interesting. All in all, i don't know what to think of Tiger. I would like to know what all the 100 plus new features are... if there are wonderous things that weren't mentioned (crossing fingers) :confused

[dswoodley]

would all the whiners remember that WWDC is a DEVELOPERS conference? not a Mac Expo. Tiger might not sound so super if you are consumer, but for the attendees this is one rocking piece of OS with a lot of potential. If anyone had expectations for WWDC based on last year, they deserved to be dissappointed. Sorry for the rant...

[jsw]

Yes, true, it's a developer's conference, and last year's announcements raised expectations about this year's.

Of course, now I can only assume that the G5 iMacs will be announced at MacWorld Boston. ;)

As far as the Tiger announcements were concerned:

I think it looks great. Yes, some stuff is repackaged/stolen from shareware. But it's a decent improvement. Who knows where it will end up in six months? I'm pretty happy with what was announced.

Also, keep in mind that Apple has done "10% off" parties in their stores when a new OS comes out. Hmmmm. January. Hmmmm. Possible new G5 PBs. Perhaps a long wait for Tiger isn't such a bad thing.

I'm happy to see Apple is doing more in Tiger to address multi-Mac families. I think there's a lot more to do there, though.

[johnnowak]

Spotlight = LaunchBar
Dashboard = Konfabulator

:rolleyes:

P.S. If you don't already have LaunchBar, you're SERIOUSLY missing out on the best RSI-preventing and time saving program ever. It's the only utility I've ever installed, and subsequently kept, on my Mac. I love it.

Apple runs out of innovative ideas, begins stealing from shareware developers.

Damn if Max/MSP was out for Linux I'd be soooo gone right now. I'm getting sick of having this stuff shoved down my throat. Unfortunately, Max isn't out for Linux, PD is crappy in comparison, and Apple continues to produce the best OS out there. Damn them.

[wdlove]

Does anyone know how soon we will be able to see WWDC via QuickTime? We should remember that we still have 4 more days of the conference. Then I agree with jsw, its on to MacWorld Boston.

[Lancetx]

Jaguar copies LiteSwitch X

or did I miss something?

LiteSwitch X copies Windows 95, 98, ME, 2000, XP

or did I miss something??

[afields]

Meh. I guess wwdc 2003 set a high standard. Yeah, I know its a developer conference, blah blah blah. Pretty disappointing to me. :(

[Doctor Q]

My instant reactions:


Good job, MacRumors! New displays, Tiger, Finder improvements, Dashboard, Automater. And no new Mac models.

If you have enough pixels, here's a good 1440x900 desktop pattern: applecinemadisplayfamily.jpg (http://images.apple.com/displays/gallery/images/ applecinemadisplayfamily.jpg)

When Steve Jobs takes time in a keynote to tell you about screensavers (such as the Orbit one), it's a sign he needs more exciting products to announce.

There has always been a potential market for Maya Unlimited for Mac. Lots of digital animators use Macs and would love to use the amazing fur/hair/water features only avaialble in the "Unlimited" version. The decision by Alias to release Maya Unlimited for Mac (it's long been available for Windows) was more political than technical, because, starting now, Alias the company runs itself. It bought out its corporate parent, SGI (see Press Release (http://www.alias.com/eng/press/press_releases/20040615_aquisition_of_alias_completed.shtml)). That freed Alias management to go where they wanted to go. The press release says "there will be no changes to product availability as a result of the sale of the business", but I heard otherwise.

When Steve Jobs talked about searching PDFs, did he say "context searching" or "content searching"?

Does Bill Gates still feel that Microsoft's relationship with Apple is "better than ever" now that he knows about Apple's banners poking fun at Microsoft? I think they are always destinated to have a love/hate relationship.

Tiger: No, you don't get a free Tiger upgrade in 2005 if you buy a new Mac starting today. (I just know somebody is going to ask that.)

"Better SMB support" isn't a "groudbreaking feature", but it's welcome. So is RSS for Safari. I wonder why he forgot to mention MacRumors in his RSS examples? Probably just an oversight. ;)

Spotlight: The Finder has metadata searching (but no piles). In a recent interview, a Microsoft executive talked about their plans to develop ways to search locally, with the ease people have come to expect from Google. Looks like Apple is once again way ahead of Microsoft.

Time for I-told-you-so's about Dashboard. But I don't get it. Why didn't they generalize one more step and let you define multiple desktops, switching among them with a keypress? Why is it specifically about quick access to certain "accessories"?

Is this the best way to test rumors? : Announce everything we hear and see which ones get a reaction from Apple Legal.

iChat: Three-way videochats. Could they make it unlimited if they made the window size shrink as you added more people? For example, could the encoding method and bandwidth support 10 videochat participants if each was icon sized? We'd all be like living animated gifs!

Unix humor: Automater should be called VP, for "Visual Pipes" and use a giant vertical bar as its icon!

[Paul Cyr]

My instant reactions:


Spotlight: The Finder has metadata searching (but no piles). In a recent interview, a Microsoft executive talked about their plans to develop ways to search locally, with the ease people have come to expect from Google. Looks like Apple is once again way ahead of Microsoft.



:rolleyes: I'm sorry, but who had a crap load of metadata options (including creating your own) before Tiger? Let's not get into a Apple ahead of MS debate.

[the061]

I've been waiting nearly 6 months for something to happen and it thought it was today. I've been waiting to be my first new Mac, which I desperately need, and I wasn't going to bite the bullet till after WWDC. Hell, I could've bought a G5 6 months ago but I didn't because I thought something huge was going to happen (ie 3ghz). I'm waiting to buy all of my apple stuff at once and I though we would've at least seen a new ipod. Tiger looks cool, but I'm just a professional audio guy, not a developer, so I don't understand it all. WWDC is for developers, but throw us non-developers who use high-end Mac for professial apps a freakin' bone here! Garageband changed my life, literally, and just something like that would have made me soil my undergarments. I guess I was expecting the holy grail, but I guess WWDC was truly for developers last year. I'll take a page from Brian and look on the bright side.

Just buy the G5 already!!!!

I was waiting for the Jan Keynote for an update, nothing happened so I bought a dual 1.8 anyway. Wish I would have bought it earlier now! This machine is so damn fast. It even turned out to be better than the new dual 1.8 in terms of RAM and graphics card so I got the better deal.

Stop hanging round on rumour sites waiting on false information on what might be. Just go out and buy it or spend you whole life regretting things that could have been.

:)

[macridah]

Is there a possiblity of new announcements after the keynote speech? I kinda epected more. They could of saved some of the announcements made in the previous week or two for today to add more meat to the keynote.

I would be happy for some minor updates like safari 1.3 or a significant one like increased storage space for .Mac subscribers.

[the061]

:rolleyes: I'm sorry, but who had a crap load of metadata options (including creating your own) before Tiger? Let's not get into a Apple ahead of MS debate.

OK yes, MS has them for Longtooth, but can't implement it until 2007 even though they want to launch 2006. So they will yet again release an incomplete OS.

Best not get into that debate though, eh?

[CholEoptera36]

Personally dissturbed a little inside about the WWDC today. Thought they might actually release something... But ohs well what do you expect?

Pros:
Tiger sounds kool, as any OS X version I'm sure it'll be great without a doubt. Hopefully in the next six months or so they'll change some more things around graphics wise too. Just me personally, I like it when there are new graphics on a new version of an OS. If not then ohs well, atleast we can expect some kind of performance upgrade and bug fix from Panther to Tiger.

Cons:
The displays are a bunch of poowey to me. Yeah it's all gravy, but I dont really see new displays as the most necessary thing Apple needed to work on right now. But I guess they figured that was more important then releasing new computers with upgraded hardware, who knows. I just find that a little upsetting that we get info on Tiger like expected (which was nothing new), and some flashier bigger monitors that half of which nobody can afford.
And maybe I'm just a big complainer, but when I get in these modes it gets me to thinking about things... And I think I've even changed my mind on wanting to see G5 Powerbooks and G5 iMacs come out. By the time that happens, why settle for old technology? G5's have already been out for a while now, and who knows if, and when, if ever they will release G5 models for those computers. If they are going to make a major upgrade to them, I say wait for somthing new, don't put us off then stick year-and-a-half to two year old technology in them. Especially if all they'll do is slap a few more hundred MHz in there and give FSB a swift kick in the """ to boost it up a little to make it seem like a great upgrade like they did with the G5 upgrades this past spring. And thinking about it, there won't be half the FSB cause it'll most likely not be dual G5 upgrades, atleast not in the PowerBook. Those single G5 computers are nothing compared to the power of the Dual G5's. So maybe that's what I meant by old technology, knowing Apple they probly won't actually put 'brand new' technology in them yet sell it like it's from the future (price tag speaking). They'll prpbly put the same G5's we saw last Christmas for sale in a PowerPC in a PowerBook... I'd rather see them skip the G5 all togather considering how long it's taking to upgrade. It shouldn't take over a year to put a G5 in a powerbook I'm sorry. And now it'll be even LONGER! Guess I'd rather see em' put the real new stuff in it when it comes out.

Just a little peeved that all we got was monitors today. It woulda been nice to see them working on something new for the computers besides the already known Tiger 10.4 upgrade. You'd think as big as Apple is as a company, and with the banners they put up criticizing Redmond, that they had something major up their sleeves today. Or atleast something to upgrade to besides monitors. The way those banners came off it sounded like they were gonna slap some G5's in new computers or something, and release info on a new G6 processor even. I guess we'll have to 'wait' again to see if next time they will actually have something up their sleeve.

saddens my heart :(

[Sabbath]

A bit of a let down really, but maybe we have started hoping for too much. To sum up the displays seem pretty good, the 30" is awesome but so is the price tag. Tiger looks good but a fair way off and Konfabulator got screwed.

What we really want from a keynote is something cheap that will improve all our lives and we can get our hands on it today, or an update to a major product line PM, PB or iMac. (This is from the crazy rumor loving fanboy angle :o )

[CholEoptera36]

What we really want from a keynote is something cheap that will improve all our lives and we can get our hands on it today, or an update to a major product line PM, PB or iMac. (This is from the crazy rumor loving fanboy angle :o )

I have to agree with you on that, affordable improvement would have been just what we're looking for. And I think the upgrades to PBs and iMacs woulda been great... today that is. I hope they get more for us for them in the future besides the upgrade we wanted today.

[James L]

No let down for me.

This show is NOT about the consumer, it never has been. The reason the G5 was released at it last year was for developers to learn how to code for the new chip. I don't know why people would expect an updated iMac, PB, etc at a developer's conference... there is nothing new there for the developers to have to worry about.

Truth be told I am surprised that the new monitors were announced at WWDC at all.

As far as Tiger being delayed for shipping, it is usually previewed at WWDC, and then ships in the fall (around October). People used to bitch that they had to pay for an OS upgrade once a year, now some are complaining that the OS upgrade isn't coming soon enough?

[benoda]

For all those trying to snuff the people complaining by saying this is a developers conference - how do new displays effect developers?
Cleary, in my opinion, claiming this is a developers conference should do nothing to curtail any expectation or soften the blow dealt by the lack luster updates.

[ALoLA]

Time to look forward to Apple Expo in Paris. :D

[CholEoptera36]

WWDC is a devlopers' conference, nobody's second guessing that. But IT IS dissapointing when they didn't even so much as discuss any new 'developments' other then the already known Tiger. Even if we're not talking about a realease of a product here, they still didn't even bring up a discussion on new developments other then Tiger. (save for displays) Which sorry if that offends some, but since this thing is once a year - it is a little dissapointing.

Yes definitely looking to the Expo too, more hopes for that :D

[~Shard~]

Regardless of whether the keynote was a disappointment or not for some, I just wanted to say thanks to Arn + crew for doing a great job on the updates - I followed them along the whole way.

[whooleytoo]

FYI, video snippet of the keynote available at: News.com (http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-5250702.html?tag=ne.vid) (Real and Windows Media formats).

[MacFan26]

FYI, video snippet of the keynote available at: News.com (http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-5250702.html?tag=ne.vid) (Real and Windows Media formats).

That's a great clip, it was great to hear people "ooing" and "ahhing" when he showed iChat. Much different from the iTunes Europe announcement :D. I think everyone's being too hard on this keynote, myself included. I'm sure we'll see hardware announcements later this summer, or early fall, but the news about Tiger seems really exciting.

[whooleytoo]

That's a great clip, it was great to hear people "ooing" and "ahhing" when he showed iChat. Much different from the iTunes Europe announcement :D. I think everyone's being too hard on this keynote, myself included. I'm sure we'll see hardware announcements later this summer, or early fall, but the news about Tiger seems really exciting.

Nah.. they just were pleased to see Danika! ;-)

[MacFan26]

Nah.. they just were pleased to see Danika! ;-)

of course, I should have known that ;)

[whooleytoo]

By the way, the full keynote is up on the Apple site now.

[AppleJustWorks]

So where's the broadcast???? :confused:

[~Shard~]

So where's the broadcast???? :confused:

As the previous poster said, right on the Apple website. If you want the actual link, click here (http://stream.apple.akadns.net/)

:cool:

[Paul Cyr]

OK yes, MS has them for Longtooth, but can't implement it until 2007 even though they want to launch 2006. So they will yet again release an incomplete OS.

Best not get into that debate though, eh?

I'm talking about XP, an OS 3 years older then Tiger.

[abc123]

i got about ten minutes into the broadcast and it started messing up, perhaps too busy?

[MikeTheC]

Nah.. they just were pleased to see Danika! ;-)

Yeah... Danika's pretty cute...

[MikeTheC]

BTW, anybody know who Danika is?

[sorryiwasdreami]

Good thread (http://www2.konfabulator.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3903&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0) at the Konfabulator forums with thoughs of the developers.
edit: and check out K's front page (http://www.konfabulator.com/)

Whoa; that's nuts what konfabulator put up on their homepage.

"Cupertino, start your photocopiers." Apple is such an innovator that it is surprising that they borrowed, well, jacked konfabulator's ideas and look.

Apple's dashboard of course seems like it will smoke Konfab, but still, for Apple to steal concepts like that is disheartening. The platform race is all about creation; that's why we love the Mac in the first place.

At least that's why this writer does. With it's curves, sleekness, shinyness, luminosity, spectrum of color, and beauty, Mac puts me in a state of mind to create, not imitate.

Peace!
:)

[dswoodley]

I can only say after watching the rebroadcast, I am more impressed with Tiger - developers must be jacked

[MacFan26]

I can only say after watching the rebroadcast, I am more impressed with Tiger - developers must be jacked

me too. Dashboard looked a lot better when Steve showed it, and I think with nearly a year to work on it, it will even be better when they release it.

[G4-power]

I'm just glad they ditched ADC and went to a standard DVI. And personally I think the new displays look really nice. If I had the cash I would pick one up.

Me too. Oh, oops, but I don't have a graphics card good enough. But anyways. The display is really nice, and dumping ADC was wise. Cable arrangement is still ok. No 17" sucks.

Bit of a disappointment, this WWDC. Only one hardware release?(I coun't the displays and Nvidia 6800 as one.) Tiger doesn't look too good, especially with killing Konfabulator with the Dashboard. BTW, Dashboard looks like it has a bit of Windoze look in it. But new iChat is ok. The wait until first half of 2005 sucks.

What I'm hoping from 2004 now is a new iMac, hopefully upgrade to a even faster processor in the PowerMac and liquid cooling across the line (December?). New PB's, and iPods should be coming within 9 months.

But one can't have everything, right?

[G4-power]

No wonder there wasn't a webcast. There was nothing worth seeing.

That's right. Apple didn't want to show too many people how they haven't done much work. Lowsy...

But, now they're showing it as a video-by-demand:
Apple.com - Quicktime - What's on - Apple Events (http://www.apple.com/quicktime/whatson/appleevents/)
Hmm. At least they're advertising it. The link to the video (http://www-stage.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc04/) does not work. Gotta check later.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and much thanks to Arn and co. for keeping macrumors.com up and feeding us with info from the keynote.

[Clive At Five]

I love how every 7-10 posts someone tries to be the voice of reason, saying, "It's a DEVELOPER'S confrence." Face it. You were disappointed that there wasn't more hardware.

Whoever mentioned that the new displays were not developer-oriented had a good point. If anything, unless Apple was going to release more hardware, the displays seem very out of place. Apple needed either more hardware, or no hardware.

-Clive

[whooleytoo]

BTW, anybody know who Danika is?

Danika Cleary. I think she's iPod marketing manager.

[BakedBeans]

I love how every 7-10 posts someone tries to be the voice of reason, saying, "It's a DEVELOPER'S confrence." Face it. You were disappointed that there wasn't more hardware.

Whoever mentioned that the new displays were not developer-oriented had a good point. If anything, unless Apple was going to release more hardware, the displays seem very out of place. Apple needed either more hardware, or no hardware.

-Clive

yep to be honest you have a great point.... and it should have been more...core image and tiger are nice though

[BakedBeans]

That's right. Apple didn't want to show too many people how they haven't done much work. Lowsy...

But, now they're showing it as a video-by-demand:
Apple.com - Quicktime - What's on - Apple Events (http://www.apple.com/quicktime/whatson/appleevents/)
Hmm. At least they're advertising it. The link to the video (http://www-stage.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc04/) does not work. Gotta check later.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and much thanks to Arn and co. for keeping macrumors.com up and feeding us with info from the keynote.

i think that goes for all of us.... good work arn

[iGav]

I love how every 7-10 posts someone tries to be the voice of reason, saying, "It's a DEVELOPER'S confrence." Face it. You were disappointed that there wasn't more hardware.

I wasn't... ;) everything other than the iMac and iPod have had recent updates. And I just don't believe people were still clinging on to the belief that we'd see a 3GHz G5 announcement or even PowerBook updates during the Keynote. :rolleyes:

I didn't think Apple would choose such a 'closed' event to launch a new iMac if it was either an all singing all dancing G5 or sported a new enclosure design, they'll want some serious media attention for this, either in the form of a Keynote presentation at a consumer expo or by scheduling a one off media event for it. ;)

You can't please everyone I guess. :rolleyes:

[Mac3001]

That's a great clip, it was great to hear people "ooing" and "ahhing" when he showed iChat. Much different from the iTunes Europe announcement :D. I think everyone's being too hard on this keynote, myself included. I'm sure we'll see hardware announcements later this summer, or early fall, but the news about Tiger seems really exciting.

Its a well known fact that Steve gets the 'Married with Children' audience in for every speech he does. Hence the over the top reactions

[seelab]

There is not as much as we were hoping for, one of his most dissapointing keynotes.

yeah, one of the most disapointing year. I just don't understand why Steve said in january it would be a great year ...

[iGav]

I just don't understand why Steve said in january it would be a great year ...

well he's not going to say it's going to be a crap one is he :rolleyes: :p

we've still got half a year to go, but so far we've seen the iPod mini, G5 Xserves, iTMS for UK, France, Germany, with rest to come in a few months, 500MHz increase on top G5 with funky new cooling tech, new displays, portables updated, eMac updates, Airport Express, and new software announcements. ;)

I certainly don't think it's been a 'bad' year so far. ;) unfortunately people get suckered by the Rumour site hype, even when it's completely without foundation and then when said rumourware doesn't get announced everytime Jobs steps on stage, the Mac sites fill with winjers. :rolleyes: :p

Apple cannot be expected to live up to such insane levels of rumour hype. period. :rolleyes:

You can't please everyone I guess. :rolleyes: ;)

[Danrose1977]

I think core image is one of the most exiting things that I have seen in a long time, real time effects applied to video and stills could completely change the speed of which I can work. The amount of time spent waiting for contrast filters to take effect is ridiculous at present.

Personaly I was more than happy with this keynote, and the 30inch display definately belonged at a developers conference.... few home users will be able to afford one. Now if I can just convince my boss that I need it....

[saggsy]

BOOM people boom, have you all seen the www.konfabulator.com website it says "Cupertino start your engines" "why wait untill 2005 when you can have it now" very quick people!!

[dontmakemehurtu]

:(

[wdlove]

Just think that most of the disappointments will be address over the next year. We just need to be patient.

[dswoodley]

Its a well known fact that Steve gets the 'Married with Children' audience in for every speech he does. Hence the over the top reactions

ummm...i don't think they get to choose which developers register and which don't.

[Mr Jenkins]

So all of your hopes and dreams weren't realized yesterday....big deal!!! Apple releases new updates, products, software, etc, an awful lot faster than anybody else out there!!! Just cause you can very easily imagine a PB G5, doesn't mean you can just as easily build one. You saw the stats on processor speed improvements, they doubled Intel.

Just be happy with what they did release, and get excited for what's coming. It'll show up someday.... :)

[iGav]

Just think that most of the disappointments will be address over the next year. We just need to be patient.

The only problem is, as soon as Apple address something... then the whole cycle starts again! :rolleyes:

it's on ongoing issue though really isn't it... if Apple had announced a PowerBook G5 and a new form factor iMac G5 yesterday, then we'd have a select set of users that'd start the whole 'We're waiting for the next revision before we buy', and this would last months and months and months... it's like slashing ones wrists with blunt, rusty blades. :rolleyes:

it seems like the winjing is never ending on here (not from you wdlove).

I'm finding MR to be a not very fun place to be at the moment. :(

[G4-power]

The only problem is, as soon as Apple address something... then the whole cycle starts again! :rolleyes:

it's on ongoing issue though really isn't it... if Apple had announced a PowerBook G5 and a new form factor iMac G5 yesterday, then we'd have a select set of users that'd start the whole 'We're waiting for the next revision before we buy', and this would last months and months and months... it's like slashing ones wrists with blunt, rusty blades. :rolleyes:

it seems like the winjing is never ending on here (not from you wdlove).

I'm finding MR to be a not very fun place to be at the moment. :(

You're absolutely right. I've found myself thinking "Why don't Apple do this and why don't they do that?", and then whining on forums about that. It's kinda part of speculation, but our dreams cannot always come true. Maybe they just have come true too often...

As for Apple's products, I don't think "waiting for the next rev." is very necessary. People should trust that Apple tests their products. But always you can of course wait for the next revision and buy the *EOL* model with a nice price. :D

[iGav]

You're absolutely right. I've found myself thinking "Why don't Apple do this and why don't they do that?", and then whining on forums about that. It's kinda part of speculation, but our dreams cannot always come true. Maybe they just have come true too often...

As for Apple's products, I don't think "waiting for the next rev." is very necessary. People should trust that Apple tests their products. But always you can of course wait for the next revision and buy the *EOL* model with a nice price. :D

There's always going to be disappointed people after these kind of events... that's to be expected. :)

But is there really any need for people to start umpteen threads about how incredibly disappointed they are. :rolleyes:

Just sitting down and thinking logically about recent hardware updates would have demonstrated that it was unlikely that we'd see anything other than maybe an iMac or an iPod update at the WWDC, and even then if people had thought some more then they'd come to realise that Apples 2 most popular products would require and deserve either their own special event for a major update/revision or atleast a Keynote presentation for CONSUMERS at one of the Apple Expo's. If they're just going to get small, incremental updates then they'll have a non-descript update on a Tuesday/Wednesday.

Everytime we come to a Keynote though, it's like people expect Apple to completely revise their entire product line regardless of when a product was revised beforehand, or introduce a new gadget that no one has ever thought of. And launch either.. (or in some peoples eyes all of them) a PDA, Smartphone, Tablet, TIVO Device, Pizzabox (what a ******* term) Mac etc etc at EVERY Keynote. :rolleyes: and because so many people buy into all these rumourware products, all they do is unnecessarily build themselves up for a huge fall when they aren't announced. :rolleyes:

I know it's a rumour site, but to see people getting pi$$ed at Apple because they haven't launched a rumourware product is just silly, Apple cannot be expected to live up to such insane levels of rumoursite hype. :rolleyes: It's worse now than when we were all waiting for news of the G5 a couple of years ago. :rolleyes:

But it's a no win situation. Had Apple released a PowerBook G5 then we'd have had a ton of threads about how crap Apple are for updating so soon etc etc or if Apple had preannounced the PowerBook G5 but with shipping in 3 months, then people would start moaning about how Apple can't ship on time, or in 12 months time from now people would start including the announcement date instead of the shipping date for a revision timescale and the moaners would start again. :rolleyes:

Personally I thought it was okay Keynote, could be better could be worse... but I'm loving the new screens and I think that Tiger looks like a corker! ;)

[wdlove]

The only problem is, as soon as Apple address something... then the whole cycle starts again! :rolleyes:

it's on ongoing issue though really isn't it... if Apple had announced a PowerBook G5 and a new form factor iMac G5 yesterday, then we'd have a select set of users that'd start the whole 'We're waiting for the next revision before we buy', and this would last months and months and months... it's like slashing ones wrists with blunt, rusty blades. :rolleyes:

it seems like the winjing is never ending on here (not from you wdlove).

I'm finding MR to be a not very fun place to be at the moment. :(

Thank you iGAV. I hope that you will not become too frustrated. Would really hate to loose such a thoughtful person. ;)

[G4-power]

Personally I thought it was okay Keynote, could be better could be worse... but I'm loving the new screens and I think that Tiger looks like a corker! ;)
Yeah, the Keynote was good. Didn't get bored watching it. Tiger looks really nice, and the displays...aaahhhh :D