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MacRumors
Aug 28, 2009, 01:07 PM
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Engadget (http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/28/tomtoms-car-kit-for-iphone-hits-the-fcc/) has pointed out that information on the highly-anticipated TomTom Car Kit is now up on the FCC's site (https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=480104&fcc_id=) following its testing for approval.

http://images.macrumors.com/article/2009/08/28/125632-tomtom-kit-fcc_300.png

The entry includes internal and external photos of the kit as well as the user guide (https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=480104&fcc_id=). The FCC also tested the Bluetooth capability of the kit. The kit's user guide states that a Bluetooth connection is required to use the iPhone with it.

http://images.macrumors.com/article/2009/08/28/125633-tomtom-kit-cover_300.png

The internal photos of the kit clearly show its SiRFstarIII GPS chip. According to previous reports (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/17/tomtom-car-kit-to-be-compatible-with-ipod-touch-and-other-gps-iphone-applications/), the GPS capability will allow the kit to work with the iPod touch and other 3rd-party GPS applications.

TomTom recently released a new video highlighting the features of the car kit, which can be viewed here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn0lJFHXMB4). The MacRumors First Look review of the TomTom App can be found here (http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2009/08/24/first-look-tomtom-navigation-app-for-u-s-and-canada/).

Article Link: TomTom Car Kit Details Revealed by FCC (http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2009/08/28/tomtom-car-kit-details-revealed-by-fcc/)



optophobia
Aug 28, 2009, 01:31 PM
I heard the unit will be free with the Navigon app :cool:

Whtddhesay
Aug 28, 2009, 01:52 PM
You need to connect it to Bluetooth? No effing way. I'm using the Parrot MKi9200 in my Mazda that connects via Bluetooth and I do not want to lose that connection. Forget using the TomTom kit to handle calls. I hope you can still use all the GPS features without connecting to Bluetooth.

FoxHoundADAM
Aug 28, 2009, 02:02 PM
Looks like a nice package, although I don't like the look of having 2 cords covering my dashboard.

woode
Aug 28, 2009, 02:06 PM
Okay, I understand that for non-GPS-enabled devices like the Touch and 1G iPhone that the GPS is needed, but it seems redundant if you have a 3G or 3GS. That's one reason I upgraded. It just seems stupid and wasteful to buy a kit with GPS if you already have GPS in your phone.

I guess I'll skip this kit and just get a regular mount, and get the Bluetooth adapter for my car stereo. Probably cheaper that way, too.

NewSc2
Aug 28, 2009, 02:16 PM
Okay, I understand that for non-GPS-enabled devices like the Touch and 1G iPhone that the GPS is needed, but it seems redundant if you have a 3G or 3GS. That's one reason I upgraded. It just seems stupid and wasteful to buy a kit with GPS if you already have GPS in your phone.

I guess I'll skip this kit and just get a regular mount, and get the Bluetooth adapter for my car stereo. Probably cheaper that way, too.

The GPS on the 3G/3GS is not super-accurate. I've gotten mis-directed a few times in city driving and such, and wouldn't really trust it 100%. It's led me to pull over, look at Google Maps without tracking, and find my way around.

It's not terrible, but has been off by a couple hundred yards, which is the difference between making the right turn or shooting past your destination.

Diode
Aug 28, 2009, 02:29 PM
I heard the unit will be free with the Navigon app :cool:

Where did that rumor come from?

iphones4evry1
Aug 28, 2009, 02:44 PM
I have never had an accuracy problem with the iPhone's GPS chip. What I've had create a problem many, many times is that it takes AT&T forever to load and update the map, and by then I've missed my turn. The limiting factor on the iPhone's Map App is not the GPS chip but the sloooooooow data connection from AT&T that updates the map.

I don't think the car kit will be completely free (it might), but I think it will probably be like $9.99 or something and available only to people that have already purchased the TomTom App. Maybe you use the TomTom App to order the car kit (open TomTom, click on settings, click on "order car kit," for example)

iGary
Aug 28, 2009, 02:48 PM
And you'll have to take your cover off to use it. No thanks.

I went and bought this in the mean time, which wobbles a bit, but I can keep the case on and use it just fine.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/318ZVJ3%2B-jL._SL500_AA280_.jpg

ChromeAce
Aug 28, 2009, 03:19 PM
First of all, a device doesn't connect TO Bluetooth, it connects VIA Bluetooth. But in this case, connects to WHAT? The car? For what? I'm already connected to my car via the iPhone's Bluetooth for phone calls. Now a cradle wants to take over that function? Is it going to emulate a phone call in order to get its directions to be heard over the car speakers?

Also this cradle takes over the dock connector, so say goodbye to listening to your music with your car's iPod integration (if you have that) as well as FM modulation or video output to a mobile screen via that same dock connector. They should have made a pass-thru.

pinshot
Aug 28, 2009, 03:27 PM
This is the best navigation app so far. I suggest that you guys stop whining about trivial things "have to take your cover off", "2 cords covering my dashboard" seriously...that is not important.

If you have a cover that requires you to remove it to use a cradle then you didnt think ahead in your initial purchase, if you have a an issue with 2 cords covering your dash then move it out of the way of anything important, either way, its clear that you dont charge while driving now or you would know that 2 cords cause as much trouble as 1 cord...hardly any.

Personally i think this is great and i will be getting this on my expense acount as im due a new sat nav. I wont be using it for blue tooth or calls as the blue tooth has never worked with my Jawbone and calls will likely sound crap anyway.

I think this is an excellent app with a good commercial but i doubt many will pay that much for an app when you can get a stand alone unti for the same price. With all the hardware there and any hardware on offer simply an "EXTRA" the price seems steep.

dZp
Aug 28, 2009, 04:31 PM
I don't think the car kit will be completely free (it might), but I think it will probably be like $9.99 or something
Wishful thinking. Don't bet on it. Add quite a few more $$.
http://www.edibleapple.com/leaked-pricing-reveals-tom-tom-iphone-kit-to-retail-for-168/

t0mat0
Aug 28, 2009, 04:46 PM
And you'll have to take your cover off to use it. No thanks.

I went and bought this in the mean time, which wobbles a bit, but I can keep the case on and use it just fine.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/318ZVJ3%2B-jL._SL500_AA280_.jpg

Not necessarily - if the sponge can accomodate the extra width, the only issue is around the dock connector. I'd imagine this and other accessories will be available from the 9th.

army91c
Aug 28, 2009, 05:06 PM
This is the best navigation app so far. I suggest that you guys stop whining about trivial things "have to take your cover off", "2 cords covering my dashboard" seriously...that is not important.
If you have a cover that requires you to remove it to use a cradle then you didnt think ahead in your initial purchase, if you have a an issue with 2 cords covering your dash then move it out of the way of anything important, either way, its clear that you dont charge while driving now or you would know that 2 cords cause as much trouble as 1 cord...hardly any.
Personally i think this is great and i will be getting this on my expense acount as im due a new sat nav. I wont be using it for blue tooth or calls as the blue tooth has never worked with my Jawbone and calls will likely sound crap anyway.
I think this is an excellent app with a good commercial but i doubt many will pay that much for an app when you can get a stand alone unti for the same price. With all the hardware there and any hardware on offer simply an "EXTRA" the price seems steep.

TT employee? How about you take your attitude and stick it up your 4th point of contact.....

Of course you used each of the other options out there so you could make the blanket statement that TT is the best right? Plus the complaint isn't that you can't dock on TT car kit with case on, but that it doesn't look like it will fit with a case on. What you may think isn't important others may think IS important, so please understand the world does not revolve around you. Did you channel Nostradamus to find out that the calls would "likely sound like crap anyway"? Only thing you got right in your self-absorbed rant was the price for sw and hw seems steep.

samh004
Aug 28, 2009, 05:32 PM
Wondering exactly what the bluetooth will be used for, as I was pretty sure that's why the dock connector was there, so all the services could run through it.

I look forward to the accessories release though so a proper review can come out about the complete experience. Till then, it's all speculation.

macduke
Aug 28, 2009, 05:50 PM
If this uses Bluetooth for a data connection, then this kit will not work with the first gen iPhone or first gen iPod Touch. Those devices do not support Bluetooth for data, only voice on the first gen iPhone and I don't believe there is even a Bluetooth chip in the first gen iPod Touch.

stevevaus
Aug 28, 2009, 05:59 PM
Up to date maps is a joke! I've lived in the same house (with the same address) for over 16 years. According to TT my house doesn't exist.

As of now I wish the cost of purchasing the app on my Amex card didn't exist!

Keyhole
Aug 28, 2009, 06:22 PM
I purchased TomTom last weekend and have been using it all week on a roadtrip from Chicago to Alabama to Ohio. I'm using a griffin window mount.

I was looking forward to the car kit, but I have had zero problems with gps signal. I see no reason to upgrade to the car kit.

Detlev
Aug 28, 2009, 09:06 PM
My thoughts are there is no mention if video playback will work. I assume the Bluetooth will be used for communication between the GPS chips and the hands free function. Unfortunately the manual says nothing about how to operate the hands free feature. Seems like the introduction of verbal commands could be included in a later update. I am not keen that a second line out/in cord is needed especially since not all the vehicles I use have a line out option.

I am a little confused by all these GPS units. Maybe someone can clarify. I do not travel often but put on a good amount miles. Fortunately I have a keen knack for remembering where I am after one visit and how to connect previously visited places even years later. One look at a map gets me there. That being said I traveled recently and brought a unit with me. I found that I spent my time buried in the unit (another driver) and have no idea where we went or how to get back there. Who are these units for?

bbotte
Aug 28, 2009, 09:14 PM
I'll buy the dock maybe, no way on the app. I'll stick to using google maps. Now maybe the phone will charge while using GPS.

fpnc
Aug 28, 2009, 11:35 PM
It most likely uses Bluetooth for the iPhone's connection to the TomTom Kit's built-in speaker and microphone (i.e. to accept and make calls). Thus, the kit acts much like a Bluetooth headset. I have a somewhat similar setup for my car which uses Bluetooth to connect to a combined speaker/mic that clips to my car's sun visor.

As for the price of the TomTom Car Kit, I've seen estimates of around $200+ (U.S.) which at that price will apparently include the TomTom app for the iPhone. Thus, you might expect that the kit by itself would be somewhat north of $100 (without the app).

As for the iPhone's turn-by-turn GPS accuracy (which includes map accuracy combined with GPS errors), I'd place it at something around +/- 50 yards based upon my experience with the CoPilot Live GPS app. Thus, with that accuracy it isn't 100% reliable and the voice prompts (in particular) can be misplaced or plain wrong under some situations. Frankly, after reading reviews on multiple products and given my own experience I'm beginning to think that turn-by-turn GPS on the iPhone is NOT a very reliable navigation solution -- think of it as a tech "toy" that can be somewhat useful when all else has failed. However, don't take these comments as a complete slam again the CoPilot Live GPS app since for $35 it's a pretty good deal (CoPilot can be useful even given its accuracy limits and somewhat incomplete map data). However, given what I now know about GPS on the iPhone I think the $100 price point on the TomTom app is unrealistic. In any case, I'm willing to wait judgement on the TomTom Car Kit until it actually ships (given pricing, GPS accuracy, and how well it works for hands-free calls, etc.).

ChromeAce
Aug 29, 2009, 12:07 AM
It most likely uses Bluetooth for the iPhone's connection to the TomTom Kit's built-in speaker and microphone (i.e. to accept and make calls). Thus, the kit acts much like a Bluetooth headset. I have a somewhat similar setup for my car which uses Bluetooth to connect to a combined speaker/mic that clips to my car's sun visor.

Huh? The damn thing has the iPhone sitting INSIDE of it, connected via the dock connector, and you're telling me it wants to use a Bluetooth WIRELESS connection to make the speakerphone feature work? That is completely INSANE.

We all like the cradles we have, the iPod audio integration we have, the Bluetooth speakerphone connections we have. We do not need Tom-Tom trying and failing to replicate all this. We simply need a stronger GPS chip, with Sirfstar IV, not III in it, that clips to the iPhone's dock connector with a pass-thru for the rest of our accessories, which will power it just fine.

Tom-Tom should change the name of their company to "Not Well Thought Out".

If you're the kind of guy who drives a cheap car without Bluetooth and iPod audio integration, then you probably don't have an iPhone and if you do, you probably will be fine with the iPhone's built-in GPS and mapping. The only people who want a high-end 3rd party navigation app DO NOT NEED this low-end accessory.

MacTheSpoon
Aug 29, 2009, 12:49 AM
Wow, I love the music in their ad. I would buy it off iTunes if they had it on there.

As for the app -- I am still skeptical about using an iPhone for GPS in your car, because of how hot it will get, baking in the sun on your dashboard. Does not seem like the best idea.

bartzilla
Aug 29, 2009, 07:58 AM
Huh? The damn thing has the iPhone sitting INSIDE of it, connected via the dock connector, and you're telling me it wants to use a Bluetooth WIRELESS connection to make the speakerphone feature work? That is completely INSANE.

We all like the cradles we have, the iPod audio integration we have, the Bluetooth speakerphone connections we have. We do not need Tom-Tom trying and failing to replicate all this. We simply need a stronger GPS chip, with Sirfstar IV, not III in it, that clips to the iPhone's dock connector with a pass-thru for the rest of our accessories, which will power it just fine.

Tom-Tom should change the name of their company to "Not Well Thought Out".

If you're the kind of guy who drives a cheap car without Bluetooth and iPod audio integration, then you probably don't have an iPhone and if you do, you probably will be fine with the iPhone's built-in GPS and mapping. The only people who want a high-end 3rd party navigation app DO NOT NEED this low-end accessory.

You're throwing "we" around a lot there. Guess I must have been on vacation the day you were elected spokesperson for all iphone users who use GPS on here.

I'm sure TomTom have thought about what they're doing - they're not exactly newcomers to the incar navigation market, nor to integrating their software with other vendors hardware. When their car kit is released I'll consider it and if its better than my (admittedly jury rigged) current setup then I'll upgrade and if not then I won't. Isn't having a choice wonderful?

niuniu
Aug 29, 2009, 08:02 AM
Starting to get excited about this TomTom kit.. can't wait for the reviews to come out..

sbrhwkp3
Aug 29, 2009, 09:51 AM
Looks awesome. Love it.

Mr. Gates
Aug 29, 2009, 10:45 AM
Why would I want to screw around with bluetooth every time I get in and out of my car?

Bluetooth on iPhone is a battery HOG and I will never use it.

This makes the device totally useless to me.

Bluetooth is the worst thing on the iPhone, I was looking forward to this kit and would have gladly got one for every employee, but now I'll go with the kensington.:mad:

Demosthenes X
Aug 29, 2009, 12:38 PM
If you're the kind of guy who drives a cheap car without Bluetooth and iPod audio integration, then you probably don't have an iPhone and if you do, you probably will be fine with the iPhone's built-in GPS and mapping. The only people who want a high-end 3rd party navigation app DO NOT NEED this low-end accessory.

:rolleyes: Pretentious much? I'll trust TomTom's market research over your baseless assumptions this time around, I think.

aristotle
Aug 29, 2009, 12:48 PM
And you'll have to take your cover off to use it. No thanks.

I went and bought this in the mean time, which wobbles a bit, but I can keep the case on and use it just fine.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/318ZVJ3%2B-jL._SL500_AA280_.jpg
How is that a problem unless you made a bad choice for a case that is hard to take off and on?

JonHimself
Aug 29, 2009, 12:54 PM
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JonHimself
Aug 29, 2009, 12:57 PM
I take that last part back, the manual is up there... > https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=1160779&native_or_pdf=pdf

I'm not going to read it, but regardless of how or why the bluetooth is used, It's very reasonable to assume that TomTom explored all of their options and chose wisely

jacobgaul
Aug 29, 2009, 04:10 PM
not looking like its going to be case friendly. shucks

ChromeAce
Aug 29, 2009, 05:21 PM
You're throwing "we" around a lot there. Guess I must have been on vacation the day you were elected spokesperson for all iphone users who use GPS on here.

I'm sure TomTom have thought about what they're doing - they're not exactly newcomers to the incar navigation market, nor to integrating their software with other vendors hardware. When their car kit is released I'll consider it and if its better than my (admittedly jury rigged) current setup then I'll upgrade and if not then I won't. Isn't having a choice wonderful?

You're throwing "sure" around a lot here, without specifically addressing any of the points raised. You're not exactly contributing to this discussion.

ChromeAce
Aug 29, 2009, 05:25 PM
:rolleyes: Pretentious much? I'll trust TomTom's market research over your baseless assumptions this time around, I think.

Baseless assumptions? Unlike your statement, they are factually backed up with logic. Try it, instead of trust. Works every time.

ChromeAce
Aug 29, 2009, 05:32 PM
Well played. I love armchair quarterbacks on the forums that seem to think that a very successful company (usually Apple, in this case TomTom) somehow overlooks these things. Are we really to think that of all the people working on the device that not one of them said "Hey, if this is connected with the dock connector why do we have to use Bluetooth?" and that there's probably a reason for them use it (that is, of course, remembering that we don't really know how it's all going to work until we can get a look at the manual).

What an incredibly moronic statement. You just rendered irrelevant all technology reviewers and critics, which help people tell the difference between marketing hype and actual value. I guess if you had your way, we wouldn't even need this forum, either, would we? Or this entire website?

The manual is posted in this thread, if you would pay a little more attention. Unlike you, I was willing to read the manual. Which is why I know it uses Bluetooth in the iPhone to connect back to itself. Which is why I also know this setup renders the dock connector, car iPod integration, and Bluetooth car phone functions unusable. You have to actually connect a 2nd cord to hear music in your car.

I know exactly why they did this, to enable phone functionality on their speaker and mic while also providing speaker output for their turn-by-turn directions. And I maintain my stance that this combination of hardware and software is desired only by the kind of person who can afford much better ways of implementing it in a car with existing Bluetooth and iPod audio integration.

You can tell when people who work for Tom-Tom try to hijack this discussion in their favor, as they never respond on the technical merits of the conversation.

JonHimself
Aug 29, 2009, 05:58 PM
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Revival Cr8tive
Aug 29, 2009, 06:04 PM
I must say the banter on this thread is laughable.... lol...

All you iPhone Guru's are getting so worked up about this craddle. If I received a dollar per min. thats been wasted on pointless debate about connectivity, GPS chips, prices and general TomTom app flaws. We'd probably all be able to afford one by now.... lol...

I for one am getting fed up with TomTom taking a the 'slow to market approach' to this craddle. I bet everyone will hype it up so much that when it is finally released.... Most comments with be "yeah its ok... It works..." or "Its a nice touch"...

Whatever...

Thanks for the laughs...

JonHimself
Aug 29, 2009, 06:04 PM
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JonHimself
Aug 29, 2009, 06:06 PM
...I for one am getting fed up with TomTom taking a the 'slow to market approach' to this craddle. I bet everyone will hype it up so much that when it is finally released.... Most comments with be "yeah its ok... It works..." or "Its a nice touch"...

I think they could have made a lot of sales if they had the cradle and app ready at 3.0 launch. TomTom had a ton of coverage and I think people would have bought it based on excitement.

Revival Cr8tive
Aug 29, 2009, 06:24 PM
I think they could have made a lot of sales if they had the cradle and app ready at 3.0 launch. TomTom had a ton of coverage and I think people would have bought it based on excitement.

Couldn't agree more with you Jon.

Mist opportunity IMHO. Its funny reading this thread and then reading the Reviews on the TomTom App in the App Store, people other there are getting so worked up too. Have u seen it? People making 'Blanket' statements about the App not being more than a 3 star rating... And if you give it more then 'clearly you've not tried any of the other options'...

I'm not sure how seeing the pic's at the top made me feel. I think actually seeing it was a little disappointing... It didn't look all that good... And if the leaked pricing is anything to go from 113 tokens then I dont think I'm updating the stero in the car for something that looks, well.. abit 'flimsey'...

Any thoughts?

Revival Cr8tive
Aug 29, 2009, 07:02 PM
Umm... I just read this on the FCC site, regarding the TomTom Craddle...

'To play music on your iPhone through your car stereo, connect the TomTom
car kit to the car stereo using a 3.5mm mini stereo audio cable (not supplied).

Note: Hands-free calls are not played over the car stereo.'

https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=480104&fcc_id=

Download the spec's to check it out...

Seems a bit basic to not have this functionality included though....

What do you think?

ChromeAce
Aug 29, 2009, 07:03 PM
They are FACTUALLY backed up with YOUR logic?... I'm not sure something that is subjective can be a fact, but that's just me.

According to my logic, what TomTom is doing makes a lot of sense and to me, I am right. I have factually backed up my argument with logic and it is different than yours, how can we both be right? We can and we can't, neither of us are factually correct though.

You seem to have a problem confusing the difference between facts and opinions. I have stated the facts as to how this device operates. I have made conclusions based on those facts. You have simply made conclusions, without citing any facts or rationale behind those conclusions other than "Let's trust Tom-Tom that they know what they're doing."

Unlike you, I am not speaking only for myself. I am thinking of consumers and the market as a whole, which is what I happen to do for a living. It's not about "not fitting into my setup"... it's about not fitting into anyone's. No one wants to cripple their multi-hundred dollar phone to get better GPS reception and screw up their dash with a bunch of wires when they can simply get a stand-alone GPS device (or use in-dash nav) that does it far more functionally.

JonHimself
Aug 29, 2009, 07:07 PM
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JonHimself
Aug 29, 2009, 07:14 PM
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3GEE
Aug 29, 2009, 07:19 PM
I honestly can't wait for this kit and will buy it the first day it's available. I don't presently have a mount and this one sounds like it will fit my needs perfectly. Right now I use bluetooth for hands-free phone calling with my car stereo and I'll never be without this feature again. If I have to do it through the kit now, so what.

I've had the TomTom nav app for about two week now and I'm really pleased with it's performance. It's been great for me, locks on quickly, recalculates fast, it's all good. I had one small issue today where it couldn't find a shop in POI that I wanted. I went to google maps, copied the address to contacts and away I went.

IMO this is a wonderful app, 5 stars. I'm going to buy the kit right away, I'll gladly give a review if others want to wait. I don't work for TomTom if that's the rebuttal for positive reviews, I'm just a very happy consumer.

Jeff321
Aug 29, 2009, 10:36 PM
Starting to get excited about this TomTom kit.. can't wait for the reviews to come out..

Here's a review of the app (not the kit) I came across on YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHFtUhDh71s

(LOL)

JonHimself
Aug 30, 2009, 12:41 AM
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kornyboy
Aug 30, 2009, 08:24 AM
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I heard the unit will be free with the Navigon app :cool:

If that is the case I may consider purchasing it. I think that tomtom is a little proud of the application itself considering the fact that the App costs nearly as much as their low end unit. I don't think that the car kit is going to be free though. I feel like it is probably going to be in the $100-$150 (US) range. Just a gut feeling though. I don't think that I'd be interested in either if I have to invest &200+ to get everything.

Edunwody
Aug 30, 2009, 09:53 AM
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If the car kit is over $25 without the app then I will pass on it

BriGuy20
Aug 30, 2009, 11:49 AM
Why would I want to screw around with bluetooth every time I get in and out of my car?

Bluetooth on iPhone is a battery HOG and I will never use it.

This makes the device totally useless to me.

Bluetooth is the worst thing on the iPhone, I was looking forward to this kit and would have gladly got one for every employee, but now I'll go with the kensington.:mad:

It's a battery hog, but your car probably has a cigarette lighter, and the TomTom kit has a power adapter to plug into it.

GPS is a memory hog too, but plugging into the car charger might actually negate the draining of both the GPS and the Bluetooth. Also, many states are banning the use of cellphones without hands-free devices.

Something to think about before you poo-poo the idea.

Mr. Gates
Aug 30, 2009, 12:22 PM
It's a battery hog, but your car probably has a cigarette lighter, and the TomTom kit has a power adapter to plug into it.

GPS is a memory hog too, but plugging into the car charger might actually negate the draining of both the GPS and the Bluetooth. Also, many states are banning the use of cellphones without hands-free devices.

Something to think about before you poo-poo the idea.

the point is, I would have to go into settings and turn on bluetooth every time I got in my car, then go back into settings and turn it off every time I get out.

I sure as hell am not one of those Jackasses with a bluetooth ear pieces.
When will those irritating people realize that nobody is impressed.:rolleyes:

JonHimself
Aug 30, 2009, 01:03 PM
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Edunwody
Aug 30, 2009, 05:01 PM
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If the car kit is over $25 without the app then I will pass on it

But I am very pleased with the app

rockosmodurnlif
Aug 30, 2009, 06:06 PM
the point is, I would have to go into settings and turn on bluetooth every time I got in my car, then go back into settings and turn it off every time I get out.

I sure as hell am not one of those Jackasses with a bluetooth ear pieces.
When will those irritating people realize that nobody is impressed.:rolleyes:
I have a bluetooth headset, use it while driving. Otherwise the headset stays in my pocket next to the phone with the connection on and maintained all day. Battery life decrease? Negligible. It's a non-issue for me. My battery life issues have been the same before and after I started using the headset.

Mr. Gates
Aug 30, 2009, 06:57 PM
I have a bluetooth headset, use it while driving. Otherwise the headset stays in my pocket next to the phone with the connection on and maintained all day. Battery life decrease? Negligible. It's a non-issue for me. My battery life issues have been the same before and after I started using the headset.

hey , if your standards are just low, then they are low. There is nothing I can do about another persons low expectations.

What I CAN say is that this is . Bluetooth is $#!t on the iPhone . It does nothing to enhance the experience.

More tech is not better tech, otherwise I would stay with windows.

;)

JonHimself
Aug 30, 2009, 07:42 PM
hey , if your standards are just low, then they are low. There is nothing I can do about another persons low expectations...

I'm not sure if that's necessarily true (or fair). I don't have low expectations and when I've had to use bluetooth with the headphones I just bought I haven't really noticed a big difference in battery life.

mysticbluebmw
Aug 31, 2009, 02:51 PM
the point is, I would have to go into settings and turn on bluetooth every time I got in my car, then go back into settings and turn it off every time I get out.

I sure as hell am not one of those Jackasses with a bluetooth ear pieces.
When will those irritating people realize that nobody is impressed.:rolleyes:

Speaking of jackasses, I don't think you comprehend the purpose of a hands free device, so I will do my best to simply educate you as one would do with any laymen. You see, many jurisdictions have laws against using cell phones (a device used to wirelessly communicate with one another) in one's personal vehicle (a transportation device used by your elders who have driver's licenses). The accepted method of communication in this case is a cell phone with a hands free device, such as the bluetooth unit in ones car which connects via, well...bluetooth, or perhaps a headset which again, connects via bluetooth. My car has a bluetooth unit, but I often prefer to use a headset if I have passengers. BTW, I still only take the most urgent calls while driving, even with handsfree devices.

So in conclusion, your comments are unappreciated AND uninformed. And I certainly don't see the humor in your fallacious Macrumors user id & profile. It is nothing more than an inept attempt at asinine jocularity. Oh and please feel free and post away, as I have now left the thread, and therefore won't be reading any of it.

iGary
Aug 31, 2009, 02:57 PM
How is that a problem unless you made a bad choice for a case that is hard to take off and on?

Bad choice? I'm interested in protecting my iPhone.


Who wants to take a case off in any event? :confused:

Frazzle
Sep 1, 2009, 03:04 AM
The TomTom app will probably use bluetooth for the GPS connection. This app looks like a port from their previous stuff on PDAs and other smartphones and it has always been customary to use a BT connection to an external GPS module.

That said, I wonder whether any other BT GPS antennas will just work with the app straight away. Anyone have the TomTom app and some other Bluetooth GPS antenna lying around to test that?

JFreak
Sep 1, 2009, 03:18 AM
I would be surprised if the GPS chip in TT car kit would work with Navigon app, but if it did, I'd buy that TT kit without further thinking...

Fizzoid
Sep 1, 2009, 03:36 AM
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If the car kit is over $25 without the app then I will pass on itYou'll be passing then, as I bet it will be at least double that.

applehappy
Sep 1, 2009, 04:19 AM
The TomTom app will probably use bluetooth for the GPS connection. This app looks like a port from their previous stuff on PDAs and other smartphones and it has always been customary to use a BT connection to an external GPS module.

That said, I wonder whether any other BT GPS antennas will just work with the app straight away. Anyone have the TomTom app and some other Bluetooth GPS antenna lying around to test that?

It might use bt for GPS, but it does for hands free phone also. You cannot route phone audio to external speakers otherwise and they brag about that capability.

Side note: lots of serious whiners in here. My fav is the one suggesting the cradle will be free with the app. Oh sure, bt hands free, gps amp, aux out, car charger, car mount.... Not worth much... Right.

Revival Cr8tive
Sep 1, 2009, 04:43 AM
Is this thing ever going to come out?

1st September today....

To me that means that its Fall and its the end of the Summer. Come on TomTom deliver the goods...

So where is the craddle?

Anyone?

Fizzoid
Sep 1, 2009, 05:24 AM
But the app is already out, and just because you think it's Autumn already doesn't mean it is :)

Revival Cr8tive
Sep 1, 2009, 09:46 AM
But the app is already out, and just because you think it's Autumn already doesn't mean it is :)

Very true and lol...

;)

JonHimself
Sep 1, 2009, 10:31 AM
But the app is already out, and just because you think it's Autumn already doesn't mean it is :)

The condensation on my car and general "briskness" of the last few mornings might dictate otherwise :D

Fizzoid
Sep 1, 2009, 10:42 AM
That's normal for us here in the UK whatever the season :)

phantom5251
Sep 1, 2009, 02:46 PM
After Googling, some articles are out saying that the FCC has approved the Car Kit. Wonder how much more longer it'll be?

fpnc
Sep 2, 2009, 01:00 AM
You'll be passing then, as I bet it will be at least double that.

More like quadruple. It will most likely be over $100 (U.S.).

BriGuy20
Sep 2, 2009, 03:38 PM
the point is, I would have to go into settings and turn on bluetooth every time I got in my car, then go back into settings and turn it off every time I get out.

I sure as hell am not one of those Jackasses with a bluetooth ear pieces.
When will those irritating people realize that nobody is impressed.:rolleyes:

I don't think bluetooth is a significant battery hog unless you actually have it paired with something.

I agree with you on the jackasses with bluetooth earpieces, but I don't really consider people in a car with bluetooth earpiece jackasses, it's more the people just walking around all the time with one on that bother me. People with their phone up to their ears weaving in and out of lanes (and turning without looking, causing me to have to veer into the other lane and almost have an accident) bother me a lot more.

Most states are prohibiting/fining people that use phones without earpieces/handsfree devices anyways, so that seems to be the direction things are going.

Tazzman
Sep 3, 2009, 02:39 PM
I thought it was supposed to have RF to play music through car stereo without the need for a lead... I am getting more disappointed, and it's not living up to the hype.

Umm... I just read this on the FCC site, regarding the TomTom Craddle...

'To play music on your iPhone through your car stereo, connect the TomTom
car kit to the car stereo using a 3.5mm mini stereo audio cable (not supplied).

Note: Hands-free calls are not played over the car stereo.'

https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=480104&fcc_id=

Download the spec's to check it out...

Seems a bit basic to not have this functionality included though....

What do you think?

dacoy
Sep 17, 2009, 05:14 AM
Anyone know if it's possible to use TomTom car kit with Navigons app?
I mean with the GPS enhancements features and, calls over and stuff like that?

Bye Bye Baby
Sep 18, 2009, 02:39 AM
I just drove from London to Rome via Paris using the Tom Tom programme. I found it to be completely reliable.

The only problems were those common to all GPS systems. Tunnells are a major headache, especially if you have to make a turn while you are still in one. Paris is full of tunnells and so too when you cross he border into Italy.

One annoyance is that everytime you get a call you loose the GPS instructions. That is quite a pain in the rear. But I am not sure what can be done.

I can thoroughly recommned it however. I don't have the car kit quite obviously but I had the phone mounted on the dashboard and into the ciagarette lighter. Could not wish for more.