I need help, just got escorted home by the police [Archive]

Mr. lax

Sep 12, 2009, 01:51 AM

Okay, so lets start from the beginning, I'm 16, and i live in a country where the drinking age is 18. A week and a half ago, my dad searched my room and found alcohol... among other thing. Tonight i was drinking at my buddies place because his dad is out of town for 3 weeks. My bud and i both know our limits and don't ever go over that. We had 2 girls with the 2 of us and one of them did know her limits, the other drank until she passed out and started throwing up. After cleaning up all the vomit, and letting her sleep it off for 2 hours, we decided it was time to take her home. As we were leaving my buddies house, these neighbors were wondering what happened and they called the cops. Once i heard the sirens, i ran back to my buddies house to make sure it was okay, and to clean up the beer cans and bottles. Less than 5 mins after i got there, i heard a knock on the back door, and without thinking, i opened the door to the police. They asked for my I.D. and i told them i didn't have any. They asked if i had shoes and i told them i did, then they asked for I.D. again and i gave them my drivers license. On my way out i got frisked and the police drove me home. On the way they questioned me more and i told the honest truth about how much we had been drinking, and that we were honestly just trying to take care of this girl. The police dropped my off at my house, and talked to my parents for a couple minutes before letting me go in. My dad was so mad he wouldn't look at me, and my mother and i had a long talk before she went to bed. The police aren't pressing charges, but I am in deep trouble with my parents....

What do you think i should do? Like what is the next course of action?

Sorry for the rant

jmann

Sep 12, 2009, 01:53 AM

Not drink? That's a good idea.

mac88

Sep 12, 2009, 01:54 AM

Um, let me get this right. The police are not pressing charges. How are you arrested?

dukebound85

Sep 12, 2009, 01:55 AM

where did you get arrested in that post of yours?....

jav6454

Sep 12, 2009, 01:55 AM

I was about to write a long paragraph about what to do, but then I decided to do something better [realizing you are in Canada; laws are different].

Best course of action is don't drink for a while and ask the girls who had drinks with you to talk to parents about the truth if you feel they don't believe you.

Edit - Also, you were just escorted by the police. Arrested means you went to the precinct.

bruinsrme

Sep 12, 2009, 01:56 AM

Take responsibility for your actions and accept what is handed down by your parents. It could be a lot worse. It doesn't sound like you got arrested. you should thank the police for giving you a ride home instead of your parents having to pick you up at the precinct
BTW if she passed out she probably didn't sleep anything off,;)

bartelby

Sep 12, 2009, 01:57 AM

So you're not in trouble with the law, only your parents?

OMG!!!!
:rolleyes:

spillproof

Sep 12, 2009, 01:59 AM

jecapaga

Sep 12, 2009, 02:04 AM

Doesn't sound like you were arrested. As to what the next course of action is...we can only hope you have good parents.

jmann

Sep 12, 2009, 02:05 AM

Doesn't sound like you were arrested. As to what the next course of action is...we can only hope you have good parents.

What do good parents consist of?

jecapaga

Sep 12, 2009, 02:11 AM

What do good parents consist of?

They hopefully guide, direct and help. But also create some bit of ownership of responsibility with their kid when they mess up. Especially when it's serious. I try.

CorvusCamenarum

Sep 12, 2009, 02:23 AM

They hopefully guide, direct and help. But also create some bit of ownership of responsibility with their kid when they mess up. Especially when it's serious. I try.

You forgot "and plant a swift one in the posterior when necessary". Don't worry, it's a metaphorical swift one.

So, let's review:
1) OP failed to realize that since he's underage, his limit is zero.
2) OP decided that since drinking at his house was out, he should go somewhere else to do it.
3) OP lied to police.

If the OP were my kid, he wouldn't be going anywhere except school for a copious amount of time and would become intimately familiar with an long list of arduous household tasks and chores.

kymac

Sep 12, 2009, 02:24 AM

well, first off, you can't break the law if you don't do anything illegal..

also, you don't sound too great at making decent decisions. life is about choices.

jecapaga

Sep 12, 2009, 02:26 AM

You forgot "and plant a swift one in the posterior when necessary". Don't worry, it's a metaphorical swift one.

So, let's review:
1) OP failed to realize that since he's underage, his limit is zero.
2) OP decided that since drinking at his house was out, he should go somewhere else to do it.
3) OP lied to police.

If the OP were my kid, he wouldn't be going anywhere except school for a copious amount of time and would become intimately familiar with an long list of arduous household tasks and chores.

I was typing with flowers, but yes...a severe kick in the ass is what also is needed.

ceezy3000

Sep 12, 2009, 02:45 AM

just take it easy and chillax. Have a sit down with your pops and talk to him man to man. Explain it to him in a way which will seem rational and logical to him but don't expect everything to be better right after. He'll prolly come around after a while. Just be happy you guys weren't caught driving while under the influence. I'm not sure what the laws are in your country but i would assume you can't drive while drunk. Also tell that girl to stop being a stupid hoodrat lol:D

Grolubao

Sep 12, 2009, 03:31 AM

These are strange days were everything is prohibited... I just have to say that you are in a very strict country where nothing is allowed.

When I was 16 I drank, and wasn't because of that that I didn't took a degree and am successful in life. It's part of life to learn those things.

maflynn

Sep 12, 2009, 06:25 AM

Heilage

Sep 12, 2009, 06:57 AM

There's also the problem of alcohol on a developing brain. There's been enough studies to show that drinking at such an early age has more affects on learning/cognitive development.

Not necessarily true. I started drinking when I was 12 years old (although in hindsigth I'll admit it was stupid), my brain is functioning very well, especially in its ability to absorb knowledge and performing cognitive/resonating tasks. :)

I think teenagers should taste alcohol if they want to. There's nothing immoral about it, alcohol is just something that's in a lot of good beverages. If parents start beating down on absolutely every part of exploration for the teenagers, they will end up being really messed up when they eventually move out and start their lives.

You only learn stuff about life when you truly mess up and get into trouble. :)

kellen

Sep 12, 2009, 07:07 AM

Not necessarily true. I started drinking when I was 12 years old (although in hindsigth I'll admit it was stupid), my brain is functioning very well, especially in its ability to absorb knowledge and performing cognitive/resonating tasks. :)

I think teenagers should taste alcohol if they want to. There's nothing immoral about it, alcohol is just something that's in a lot of good beverages. If parents start beating down on absolutely every part of exploration for the teenagers, they will end up being really messed up when they eventually move out and start their lives.

You only learn stuff about life when you truly mess up and get into trouble. :)

Just because you didn't doesn't mean everyone won't. OP is still maturing and this could interfere with this. Is it 100%, no. But it is shown that people who drink at a young age can lead to problems later in life. I'm not advocating quitting and attending church 24/7, but moderation.

To the OP, sounds like you just need to talk to your parents. They are probably okay with you drinking as long you aren't overdoing it and are not driving, but won't admit to this. Odds are they drank at your age. Just stress that you aren't overdoing it and not driving, but only if you truly arent.

northy124

Sep 12, 2009, 07:18 AM

OP FAIL, you were not arrested, you were escorted home.

IMO you should just do what your parents want you to do, don't make a single decision.

jessica.

Sep 12, 2009, 07:19 AM

I love when I see a 16 year old say they drink and know their limits. The problem teenagers don't know their limits and drink too much.

There's also the problem of alcohol on a developing brain. There's been enough studies to show that drinking at such an early age has more affects on learning/cognitive development.

Don't drink and you'll be better off
I agree here. Fact is, if he knew his limits he would not have been drinking at all. at 16 how could you even know your limits? I don't care if the drinking age is 18 or 21, at 16 you're still 16; even in Canada.

Mr. lax, a few things stick out here. If you "just" got arrested I doubt you'd have a way to post on MacRumors. If you "just" got arrested you would have been taken to the police station and booked. Booking in most countries involves fingerprints, a photo of sorts (not your standard vacation photo) and a cell where you're locked in. You weren't "just" arrested but you should have been. How were you going to get the girl home? 2 hours to drink off all that she obviously drank is nothing. You need more than that for the body to process.

You were escorted home and released to the custody of your parents. Your parents are pissed off and they should be. What to do? Well I'm shocked you're able to access a computer to actually post. I'd be thanking someone for what appears to be a rather light punishment.

You lied to the police. At 16, or any age, this is a bad idea. If you're confused where you lied let's discuss the form of ID you did not have and then suddenly had. That police officer was real nice to you, you should be writing him a thank you.

What to do now? Stop drinking. I don't think having one to try is all that horrible, but you clearly have an issue where you drink often. Your room was searched and alcohol and "other things" were found. A week later your dad leaves town for 3 weeks and you're out drinking. There is another flaw. Dad leaves town for 3 weeks so you were at your buddies house? Ok, so when you were taken home how the hell was your dad there?

Aside from you being a liar who clearly doesn't know his limits, the best anyone should be telling you now is to quit drinking. You've had a taste and you need to wait 2 years because you clearly aren't responsible enough to handle anything.

EvanLugh

Sep 12, 2009, 08:11 AM

There is another flaw. Dad leaves town for 3 weeks so you were at your buddies house? Ok, so when you were taken home how the hell was your dad there?

jessica, his buddies dad had gone away - which is why he was there drinking. OP dad was at home with his mum i guess. :)

and op- seriously, 16, drinking, girls in a house? Good job.

Koronis

Sep 12, 2009, 08:47 AM

don't get caught next time

redAPPLE

Sep 12, 2009, 09:00 AM

i don't get it... why did you guys want to take the grrls home? what time did you guys leave to take the grrls home? i hate nosy neighbors :D

were the grrls so ugly that you wanted to get rid of them? or just afraid that when they wake up, they would drink what's left of the booze, so you could drink it?

anyway, what i am trying to say is, thank god, that nothing happened to you or the others.

i would try to be a decent citizen (in your home) for the next few months...

Mr. lax

Sep 12, 2009, 09:05 AM

Um, let me get this right. The police are not pressing charges. How are you arrested?

I guess it wasn't really arrested, just brought home and talked to by the police

joelovesapple

Sep 12, 2009, 09:17 AM

Honestly, this whole topic makes me 'lol'. You can't even see the difference between being arrested and being brought back home? Are you nuts?
:eek:

northy124

Sep 12, 2009, 09:22 AM

Are you nuts?
Yes, yes he is. :p

/sarcasm :p

Mr. lax

Sep 12, 2009, 09:30 AM

To be honest, i was drunk when i made my original post.

And i was scared and freaking out

bobbydacron

Sep 12, 2009, 09:40 AM

don't get caught next time
Well said!!!!!

Just suck up what ever your parents dole out. Next time go a little slower with the booze

farkasam

Sep 12, 2009, 09:57 AM

i'm sorry you're going to have to deal with your parents, but if that had happened in the US you'd be dealing with fines, community service, and a scare trip to the morgue. consider yourself lucky.

iPhone 62S

Sep 12, 2009, 01:05 PM

Not drink? That's a good idea.

Couldn't agree more. The age limits are there for a reason. I'm saying this and I'm a 15 year old!

Melrose

Sep 12, 2009, 01:07 PM

You're 16. Don't drink anywhere except your own home, under the supervision of a parent or guardian, and only with your parents' permission. Period.

You got nailed. Hopefully you won't do it again.

feelthefire

Sep 12, 2009, 01:24 PM

To be honest, i was drunk when i made my original post.

And i was scared and freaking out

Life Lesson No. 1: if you can't accept the consequences of what you're about to do, you probably shouldn't do it. If you're that scared because the cops drove you home...you need to stop drinking. You'll be a lot more scared when you wake up and don't know where you are or how you got there.

parakiet

Sep 12, 2009, 01:37 PM

drunk = limit? :p

djellison

Sep 12, 2009, 01:41 PM

These are strange days were everything is prohibited... I just have to say that you are in a very strict country where nothing is allowed.

You live in a country with NO minimum age to buy alcohol? I think every country in the western world has such a limit, and it does not equate to 'nothing' being 'allowed'.

Gelfin

Sep 12, 2009, 02:03 PM

What do good parents consist of?

Usually carbon, hydrogen, oxygen and trace elements, typically arranged into a calcified and cartilaginous endoskeletal array radiating from a highly protected central control network stalk, draped with assorted animate contractive tissues and covered in a form-fitting protective external sheath.

Check closely: if yours instead have a chitinous exoskeleton, or if spectrographic analysis shows an unusual spike in the silicon band, they are not good parents, and you should seriously consider legal emancipation.

kindablue09

Sep 12, 2009, 02:09 PM

I'd like to thank google for the ironic ad which was at the bottom of this thread.

"control binge drinking"

To the OP, be cool to your parents. There probably is a reason they are mad, think about why that is (yea, I know I am being preachy).

Plus, don't bite the hand that buys you stuff... :P

snberk103

Sep 12, 2009, 02:39 PM

... I just have to say that you are in a very strict country where nothing is allowed ...

Not sure why you are saying that... they took a drunk kid home to make sure he got home safely. They would also be thinking there may be car somewhere, so they would have wanted to make sure he didn't get behind the wheel. No arrest, no record, etc.

zioxide

Sep 12, 2009, 02:54 PM

don't get caught next time

this man speaks the truth.

snberk103

Sep 12, 2009, 02:55 PM

Mr Lax....

You got off lucky.... not for the drinking part, but having a passed-out girl on your hands. I noticed you never mentioned what happened to her? You also never mentioned whether you were going to be driving or not.

Getting drunk, getting caught by the cops.... as long as you weren't driving then I say - have some fun - don't get caught. You got caught, now you gotta deal with the 'rents. Oh Well. You'll live. Next time you'll be more careful.

But... having a passed-out girl on your hands can lead to much more dire consequences. You'll probably be OK, but consider this scenario: She is getting heck from her parents for being drunk, and being really drunk with a couple of boys etc. And to cover her ass she claims you got her drunk on purpose with the intention of having your way with her. Now you've got a serious criminal charge against you - sexual assault. You are in a classic "he says - she says" situation. They can't prove you tried to get her drunk, but you can't prove you didn't. Just being accused of this is going to trash your reputation, even if she later on she retracts the accusation and you never go to court.

Sure, having a drink or two at your age is fun... but remember when things go wrong the consequences can catapult you into the adult world. Welcome to being grown up.

THX1139

Sep 12, 2009, 04:13 PM

Let's see... we have two guys and two girls that are underage and lots of alcohol. Nothing good can come out of that arrangement, unless you think the possibility of illegitimate children and abusing alcohol is okay. Seems to be a dead end road to go down.

The thing that strikes me the most is how the OP is justifying what happened, like he has it all under control and only a set of circumstances caused the problem. He clearly doesn't see that by association he is just as messed up as the worst offender because he isn't taking responsibility for his actions. He's like the guy who gets arrested while riding in the car with bank robbers. He didn't rob the bank, but he's running with the wrong crowd, so therefore, he's just as bad as them. Guilty by association. Choose your friends wisely or pay the consequences. If you want positive things in your life, hang out with positive motivated people.

And for those of you who excuse the behavior because that's what kids do... or because it's what you did when you were growing up, doesn't make it right. I did it too and survived- but in hindsight, I wish I would have focussed my energy into positive things instead of being a part of the party. It would have made the later years better and more full-filling instead of playing catch up for those wasted years and all those dead brain cells. I suppose there aren't that many people who giving the choice would go back to abusing their 16 year old bodies with booze and hanging out with loser "friends."

And finally to answer his question of what to do next? Learn from your mistake and change your attitude about life. The best way to get back in the graces of your parents is to SHOW you learned your lesson and prove to them you are picking a more positive direction in your life. Don't just say it, DO IT. Find new friends, get involved in school, join a club, pickup a new hobby. Much better than sitting around drinking and being a loser.

Getting drunk, getting caught by the cops.... as long as you weren't driving then I say - have some fun - don't get caught. You got caught, now you gotta deal with the 'rents. Oh Well. You'll live. Next time you'll be more careful...

Sure, having a drink or two at your age is fun... but remember when things go wrong the consequences can catapult you into the adult world. Welcome to being grown up.

Wow, this is the advice you give to a 16 year old? Some role model you are. So, it's okay to break the law as long as you don't drive? You are missing the point as much as the OP has. My guess is that you are in no position to be giving out advice. And for the record, he's NOT a grown up so don't be in such a hurry to welcome him to that harsh reality.

snberk103

Sep 12, 2009, 04:49 PM

Wow, this is the advice you give to a 16 year old? Some role model you are. So, it's okay to break the law as long as you don't drive? You are missing the point as much as the OP has. My guess is that you are in no position to be giving out advice. And for the record, he's NOT a grown up so don't be in such a hurry to welcome him to that harsh reality.

You are not breaking the law by being an underage drinker, in a private residence. I specifically mentioned the other bits that are illegal, and excluded them from "... don't get caught..." advice. What is illegal is to serve children in a store, restaurant, etc. To buy liquor for children. To allow children to drink in public. etc. A parent is within their rights to give children a drink in their homes. Children are allowed (from the law's perspective) to raid the parent's liquor cabinet (unless the parents decide to press theft charges I suppose).

If he was my kid, as a parent, I would be much less forgiving. Its a parent's job to make and enforce the rules. But, it is the parent's role - and no one else's except for when the behaviour spills out of the home, unless the children are at risk. Drinking at 16, to see what it is like, does not put this kid at risk - based solely on what Mr Lax has told us. If he was showing up to school drunk and hung-over then I would call that "at risk".

Kids will only learn how to make adult decisions by making stupid mistakes. Protecting children from ever making mistakes does not do them any favours.

Please observe I also didn't give him any sympathy. And by " ... don't get caught ..." I'm meaning that when you are doing something risky, plan it out - have your backup plan. Do it safely. Do it smart. Don't go so far that someone needs help (in this case the passed out girl).

For the record, I have no children.

aethelbert

Sep 12, 2009, 04:50 PM

My bud and i both know our limits and don't ever go over that.

I was drunk when I made my original post.
?

ecstasy

Sep 12, 2009, 04:52 PM

MR members, you're doing it all wrong.

The most important question is:

Did you hook up with any chicks, man?!?

;)

Melrose

Sep 12, 2009, 06:30 PM

I revise my earlier statement.

Next time (assuming there will be a next time) go for Scotch, not beer. No 1: You won't be able to afford as much; and No. 2: after one shot you'll be under the table won't be able to get into much trouble.

michael.lauden

Sep 12, 2009, 06:48 PM

So you're not in trouble with the law, only your parents?

OMG!!!!
:rolleyes:

o noes! no texting for a month!

once you grow up you will realize there are better things to do. or you won't and then this will happen again, except mommy and daddy won't be there for you.

i speak from experience.

toolbox

Sep 12, 2009, 07:45 PM

You're 16. Don't drink anywhere except your own home, under the supervision of a parent or guardian, and only with your parents' permission. Period.

I was not allowed to drink out side of home when i was 16, the legal drinking age in australia is 18 but i was allowed to have one or two beers now and again BUT at home with my parents permission and supervision.

Iscariot

Sep 12, 2009, 08:14 PM

Check closely: if yours instead have a chitinous exoskeleton, or if spectrographic analysis shows an unusual spike in the silicon band, they are not good parents, and you should seriously consider legal emancipation.

You'd also do well to check for any signs of parasitic infection, such as swollen nodes, small wounds near entrance points such as the neck, erratic behaviour, and loss of coordination and balance.

brad.c

Sep 12, 2009, 08:19 PM

o noes! no texting for a month!

Actually, there's a good point. How much trouble can you be in if you still have internet access?

Granted, the last post by the OP was 10:30 this morning, so the gavel may have fallen more heavily in the interim.

Mr. lax

Sep 12, 2009, 08:25 PM

Okay. So the punishment was severe enough i think. I'm grounded, no computer (Which i payed for), no phone (Which i pay for)... Indefinitely

Goodbye MacRumors

MR members, you're doing it all wrong.

The most important question is:

Did you hook up with any chicks, man?!?

;)

Yes, the not unconscious one

synth3tik

Sep 12, 2009, 08:27 PM

I think you got lucky. You did not get in any trouble with the law (which could be nothing compared to your dad), and most importantly no one was hurt, besides for maybe a hang over.

I don't want to offend your judgment, but @ 16 I am 95% sure you do not know your limit, or how to really handle drinking. I would just remember that you may think you know your limit, and you might not.

I have seen many people who can handle there booze and know their limits passed out in snow banks, in detox, the like.

I personally stopped drinking because I was sick and tired or dealing with drunk people. It's a total buzz kill, as you found out.

Honestly I say you lucked out. Your in trouble for sure, but I would just take what your dad gives you. After all everyone was OK in the end.

abijnk

Sep 12, 2009, 09:04 PM

Melrose

Sep 12, 2009, 09:20 PM

I was not allowed to drink out side of home when i was 16, the legal drinking age in australia is 18 but i was allowed to have one or two beers now and again BUT at home with my parents permission and supervision.

Yeah; I've been having beers since I was a mid teen as well. I'm not saying don't have any, but for Pete's sake just make sure you've got supervision. If a parent gives their kid alcohol, it's no big deal (if it's not excess). Outside the home it's a different story entirely, legally.

ob81

Sep 13, 2009, 01:04 AM

leekohler

Sep 13, 2009, 01:50 AM

This isn't really that hard. You got caught, so put your head down, your tail between your legs, and take it. Not really anything else you can do when ou are very clearly in the wrong. Oh, and don't get caught next time. :p

Agreed. Good lord, I did far worse when I was 16. This isn't that big a deal, IMO. OP- take your grounding and be more careful from now on.

Drinking is not cool. It doesn't mean that you are mature. It just means that you cling to something that you think makes you feel better about yourself. Chances are you need something better to do with your life.

People under 30ish that drink (I generally believe that older people started drinking, smoking, and other things before the true harmful effects were known to the general public) are followers at best. They watched tv and friends, and this is the only thing they knew how to do when getting away from mommy and daddy.

In some weird parts of the world, drinking is even associated with toughness. Drinking doesn't make you tough. At best, it makes you stupid.

Given that most of the world's population are followers at heart, it is futile trying to make this point because normal individuals cannot beat society.

You have to take it upon yourself to realize that you are wasting your time and money.

That was amazingly judgmental, and entirely untrue.

ob81

Sep 13, 2009, 04:58 AM

That was amazingly judgmental, and entirely untrue.

So drinking is cool? Who says? You?

You can live a complete and happy life not drinking. Does drinking enhance this? I bet a drunk can tell me more about good times they missed out on throwing up and passed out.

Note: There are several different scenarios when it comes to drinking. Some people drink casually. The "social" drinkers. The followers that I spoke of. My response was not really geared to those people, but more so the people that put themselves in the ops situation. Not taking care of themselves and drawing enough attention to merit a call to the cops.

Mr. lax

Sep 13, 2009, 08:41 PM

So drinking is cool? Who says? You?

You can live a complete and happy life not drinking. Does drinking enhance this? I bet a drunk can tell me more about good times they missed out on throwing up and passed out.

Note: There are several different scenarios when it comes to drinking. Some people drink casually. The "social" drinkers. The followers that I spoke of. My response was not really geared to those people, but more so the people that put themselves in the ops situation. Not taking care of themselves and drawing enough attention to merit a call to the cops.

To be fair, i wasn't in any danger. The idiot girl that was with me is why the cops got called

ucfgrad93

Sep 13, 2009, 08:44 PM

To be fair, i wasn't in any danger. The idiot girl that was with me is why the cops got called

Continue to drink and party like this, and some day it will be the idiot Mr. lax who is the reason the cops got called.

MacNut

Sep 13, 2009, 09:05 PM

You are not breaking the law by being an underage drinker, in a private residence.Bzzt wrong try again.

aethelbert

Sep 13, 2009, 09:13 PM

The idiot girl that was with me is why the cops got called
Sounds like two overly intelligent males allowed for the "idiot girl" to get drunk, eh?

pilotError

Sep 13, 2009, 09:19 PM

i'm sorry you're going to have to deal with your parents, but if that had happened in the US you'd be dealing with fines, community service, and a scare trip to the morgue. consider yourself lucky.

Don't forget the parents being carted off to jail and being ridiculed on the front page of the local paper for being such poor parents complete with comments from the local MADD chapter.

Maybe even an attempt to take the home if it's an election year...

dmr727

Sep 13, 2009, 09:21 PM

People under 30ish that drink (I generally believe that older people started drinking, smoking, and other things before the true harmful effects were known to the general public) are followers at best.

Wow - I guess I'm an 'older person' who started drinking in the dark ages, back in the late 90s when nobody really knew anything about the dangers of doing so.

But yeah, I agree with Lee. You're basically saying that anyone that does anything socially is a follower. What exactly is it that you're doing with your life that allows you to look down on what other people do with theirs?

IBradMac

Sep 13, 2009, 09:31 PM

Okay, so lets start from the beginning, I'm 16, and i live in a country where the drinking age is 18. A week and a half ago, my dad searched my room and found alcohol... among other thing.

Reefer? :cool:

What do you think i should do? Like what is the next course of action?

Sorry for the rant

Ummm...don't get caught next time?

I guess it wasn't really arrested, just brought home and talked to by the police

Consider yourself lucky. Next time don't answer the door when them come knockin....

brad.c

Sep 13, 2009, 09:32 PM

Bzzt wrong try again.

From the venerable Wikipedia:

Minimum drinking ages by region in Canada:
18 in Alberta, Manitoba, and Quebec. Underage drinking by 16-17 year olds under parental supervision is permitted in Manitoba. Underage drinking by minors, under parental supervision in a residence or a temporary residence, is permitted in Alberta and New Brunswick.
19 in British Columbia, Saskatchewan, Ontario, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, Newfoundland and Labrador, Yukon, Northwest Territories, Nunavut. Underage drinking under parental supervision is permitted at home in the provinces of New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island, Nova Scotia, British Columbia, Ontario and Saskatchewan.(To be clear, in British Columbia, only children of the supervising parents are allowed underage drinking, not any other minors or guests. Consumption of alcohol in another person's home is subject to other laws.)
The operative term here is "parental supervision". The OP was unsupervised, so the drinking was done illegally, and likely considered an offense of the parent.

SparkyCanada

Sep 13, 2009, 09:54 PM

Okay. So the punishment was severe enough i think. I'm grounded, no computer (Which i payed for), no phone (Which i pay for)... Indefinitely

Goodbye MacRumors

And later that day...

To be fair, i wasn't in any danger. The idiot girl that was with me is why the cops got called

So how is it that you are still able to post here...:confused:

SparkyCanada

heehee

Sep 13, 2009, 10:40 PM

So drinking is cool? Who says? You?

You can live a complete and happy life not drinking. Does drinking enhance this? I bet a drunk can tell me more about good times they missed out on throwing up and passed out.

Note: There are several different scenarios when it comes to drinking. Some people drink casually. The "social" drinkers. The followers that I spoke of. My response was not really geared to those people, but more so the people that put themselves in the ops situation. Not taking care of themselves and drawing enough attention to merit a call to the cops.

I drink because I like it, not because it makes me look "cool". :rolleyes:

Why do non-drinkers think people drink to get drunk. I drink a couple beers at home or during dinner, it won't get me drunk. :rolleyes:

bearbear

Sep 13, 2009, 11:49 PM

Sounds like the typical life experiences of most 16 year olds to me. Congrats OP, you're normal.

ob81

Sep 14, 2009, 08:58 AM

Wow - I guess I'm an 'older person' who started drinking in the dark ages, back in the late 90s when nobody really knew anything about the dangers of doing so.

But yeah, I agree with Lee. You're basically saying that anyone that does anything socially is a follower. What exactly is it that you're doing with your life that allows you to look down on what other people do with theirs?

Ok. You used sentences to support your statemnet that had nothing to do with what I said. I never said that anyone doing anything socially is a follower. I think you took that wrong. I specifically stated that there are tons of scenarios and I was particularly replying to the ops situation.

I do not look down on anyone. Glad you asked that question, because it identifed that you had no clue what I was getting at. It is my fault for you not understanding. People are generally going to do whatever the hell they want to do. IN THIS THREAD, we have a guy that is 16 years old giving out a subtle cry for help. Instead of rambling about my own crap I pulled when I was a teenager, I brought up reasons why it doesn't pay to drink. From my POV.

Though my delivery may be quite ******, I would prefer to discourage, and not glorify something that has no real positive effect on life.

ob81

Sep 14, 2009, 09:05 AM

I drink because I like it, not because it makes me look "cool". :rolleyes:

Why do non-drinkers think people drink to get drunk. I drink a couple beers at home or during dinner, it won't get me drunk. :rolleyes:

Eek! You didn't read the note. You even quoted it. There are people that drink casually. Some were raised seeing parents/others drinking like that. I can't cover every scenario, and from forum posting experience, people come out of the wood work (like you) posting about a personal veiw on something, in a thread about something else. I was commenting on the ops drinking experience. Not your casual drinking.

If you are still lost:
Casual drinking at home is awesome and you are a better person for doing it.

eawmp1

Sep 14, 2009, 09:07 AM

What do you think i should do? Like what is the next course of action?

1) Learn a lesson from this episode in your life (the lesson to be learned will not be the same for all people).
2) Print out this thread, lock it away for 10 years. Break it out then and read it - if you laugh out loud at yourself, then you will have grown up.

leekohler

Sep 14, 2009, 09:18 AM

So drinking is cool? Who says? You?

You can live a complete and happy life not drinking. Does drinking enhance this? I bet a drunk can tell me more about good times they missed out on throwing up and passed out.

Note: There are several different scenarios when it comes to drinking. Some people drink casually. The "social" drinkers. The followers that I spoke of. My response was not really geared to those people, but more so the people that put themselves in the ops situation. Not taking care of themselves and drawing enough attention to merit a call to the cops.

You didn't make any differentiation in your post. Next time, don't make blanket statements and people won't have to call you out.

michael.lauden

Sep 14, 2009, 02:15 PM

Yes, the not unconscious one

LIES too bad you can't argue with me mr. grounded

charlesbronsen

Sep 14, 2009, 02:36 PM

So drinking is cool? Who says? You?

You can live a complete and happy life not drinking. Does drinking enhance this? I bet a drunk can tell me more about good times they missed out on throwing up and passed out.

Note: There are several different scenarios when it comes to drinking. Some people drink casually. The "social" drinkers. The followers that I spoke of. My response was not really geared to those people, but more so the people that put themselves in the ops situation. Not taking care of themselves and drawing enough attention to merit a call to the cops.

My God. It scares me knowing that mentality is out there:rolleyes:

To the OP- Get a better hiding place and enjoy yourself...

iPhone 62S

Sep 14, 2009, 02:41 PM

My God. It scares me knowing that mentality is out there:rolleyes:

To the OP- Get a better hiding place and enjoy yourself...

So it scares you knowing there are people who don't spend their lives throwing up and shouting in the streets?

charlesbronsen

Sep 14, 2009, 02:47 PM

So it scares you knowing there are people who don't spend their lives throwing up and shouting in the streets?

I prefer them to the wound up so tight "pardon my french but if you stuck a lump of coal up their arse in a week you'd have a diamond" type.

edit: BTW I don't drink:p

Zombie Acorn

Sep 14, 2009, 03:05 PM

Drinking is not cool. It doesn't mean that you are mature. It just means that you cling to something that you think makes you feel better about yourself. Chances are you need something better to do with your life.

People under 30ish that drink (I generally believe that older people started drinking, smoking, and other things before the true harmful effects were known to the general public) are followers at best. They watched tv and friends, and this is the only thing they knew how to do when getting away from mommy and daddy.

In some weird parts of the world, drinking is even associated with toughness. Drinking doesn't make you tough. At best, it makes you stupid.

Given that most of the world's population are followers at heart, it is futile trying to make this point because normal individuals cannot beat society.

You have to take it upon yourself to realize that you are wasting your time and money.

As a social drinker who enjoys the taste of good beer and liquors I have to disagree, there is nothing wrong with drinking, its fun and makes for good discussions.

As for the OP, I find the best solution to police issues involving under aged drinking is to have a good story set up and lie. In the US we have an artificially high drinking age limit, what the cops don't know can't hurt them. Just make sure your friends are in on the story and you'll be fine.

Saluki Alex

Sep 14, 2009, 11:58 PM

I wanted to chime in here on the legal understanding of the OP's incident.

Contrary to common understanding, an arrest does not necessarily result in being taken to a police station/being booked/handcuffed etc.

That being said, the definition of an arrest (in the US at-least) is: to stop; to seize; to deprive one of his liberty by virtue of legal authority.

Moreover, the further legal definition (again in the US) of an arrest occurs whenever a reasonable person 'would have understood the situation to constitute a restraint on freedom of movement.' Additionally, to constitute an arrest, no actual force or manual touching of the body is required; it is sufficient if the party be within the power of the officer, and submit to the arrest.

Bearing this and the OP's story in mind, if he had been in the US, he would have indeed been technically under arrest, but instead of being charged he was released into his parents custody.

I do not know how or if Canadian law corresponds to the American understanding of arrest; nevertheless I feel that the OP should feel lucky nothing worse happened, whether legal or medical in regards to the other minors he was with.

ethical

Sep 15, 2009, 04:54 AM

As a social drinker who enjoys the taste of good beer and liquors I have to disagree, there is nothing wrong with drinking, its fun and makes for good discussions.

As for the OP, I find the best solution to police issues involving under aged drinking is to have a good story set up and lie. In the US we have an artificially high drinking age limit, what the cops don't know can't hurt them. Just make sure your friends are in on the story and you'll be fine.

If they made non-alcoholic beers and liquors that tasted exactly the same as the alcoholic versions.... would you drink those instead?

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To many people drinking/getting drunk is a legal "high"... except it's quite the opposite of a high. It's a way to detach yourself and get a feeling that isnt the same as normal.

OP: Just let it blow over. Your parents will forget about it, you will forget about it, and in two years time it will become a funny story to tell at the dinner table.

ob81

Sep 15, 2009, 05:11 AM

So it scares you knowing there are people who don't spend their lives throwing up and shouting in the streets?

Wow, thank you. People say anything these days. The fact that he even had a reply to that scares me a bit.

It isn't being wound up. We have a 16 year old kid here asking for help about alcohol. That is it. I think people missed the point.

You didn't make any differentiation in your post. Next time, don't make blanket statements and people won't have to call you out.

I already attempted to clear this misunderstanding up. I blamed myself for people taking what I said as directed towards them, not the op.

You are saying this after the fact. Either you didn't understand when I cleared that up, or you are just running your mouth.

Whatever you need though to help you sleep at night. Yeah, you called me out big man.

Don't panic

Sep 15, 2009, 09:48 AM

Drinking is not cool. It doesn't mean that you are mature. It just means that you cling to something that you think makes you feel better about yourself. Chances are you need something better to do with your life.

People under 30ish that drink (I generally believe that older people started drinking, smoking, and other things before the true harmful effects were known to the general public) are followers at best. They watched tv and friends, and this is the only thing they knew how to do when getting away from mommy and daddy.

In some weird parts of the world, drinking is even associated with toughness. Drinking doesn't make you tough. At best, it makes you stupid.

Given that most of the world's population are followers at heart, it is futile trying to make this point because normal individuals cannot beat society.

You have to take it upon yourself to realize that you are wasting your time and money.

you are so full of it:
drinking ≠ getting drunk

guess what? most people drink beverages because they like the taste, because it enhances the food they are eating or because it provides a generally pleasant experience.
they drink moderately and never get even close to getting drunk.
Besides, unlike smoking, drinking in small quantities has no significant deleterious health effects. on the contrary, it can even be beneficial -i.e.:red wine

i suppose you must never had a glass (or even half a glass) of a very good wine.
You don't know what you are missing.

Don't panic

Sep 15, 2009, 10:24 AM

If they made non-alcoholic beers and liquors that tasted exactly the same as the alcoholic versions.... would you drink those instead?

yes, if they were 'exactly' the same.

only, i doubt that is possible, except maybe for beer.
in wine and liqueurs, liquors and spirits in general, the alcohol content is an essential part of the taste, drinking experience and pairing with food.

Chimpy

Sep 15, 2009, 10:28 AM

Something sounds fishy - just four people hanging out quietly drinking in a house and yet the cops get called? Methinks we aren't hearing all of the story :).

brad.c

Sep 15, 2009, 10:33 AM

drinking ≠ getting drunk

To the mature imbiber, yes. But this part of ob81's post explains his point of view quite well.

We have a 16 year old kid here asking for help about alcohol.

I still get a little kick out of a second glass of wine, and enjoy doing so around the dinner table with friends and family. I also remember that the point of drinking was much different at the OPs age level. I think we, as a society, need to stop glamorizing the concept of falling down drunk at the kegger, and focus instead on benefits of moderation.

arkitect

Sep 15, 2009, 10:37 AM

I think we, as a society, need to stop glamorizing the concept of falling down drunk at the kegger, and focus instead on benefits of moderation.

Glamorous?
Yikes!
http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2007/11/drunkgirl_450x250.jpg

annk

Sep 15, 2009, 10:50 AM

To be honest, i was drunk when i made my original post.

And i was scared and freaking out

The fact that you were drunk when you were posting just shows that you do NOT know your limits.

Your folks found things in your room you shouldn't have had, you snuck away to drink with other minors, you lied to the police, you made enough of a racket for the neighbors to call the cops. One of the girls you were with drank so much she got sick.

Kids who drink and don't know their boundaries (an inexperienced drinkers don't) end up in hospital emergency rooms all the time, getting their stomach pumped or being treated for alcohol poisoning. Sometimes they pass out, aspirate their own vomit and become brain damaged. I know someone who works in an emergency room, and she says this is a regular scenario.

You just don't get any of this, it seems. Take your punishment with good grace and make better choices in the future. Be very, very glad nothing worse happened. You got lucky.

TJRiver

Sep 15, 2009, 10:50 AM

Oh the joys of being young... [-thinks back-]

I am suppose to tell you to not drink, but then I would be a hypocrite. Just drink less. Don't drink SO much that you can't remember you already told the cops you didn't have any ID. You don't know your limits.

Besides, limits change depending how (de)hydrated you are; it is different everytime.

An adult suggesting a minor follow the laws is not a "hypocrite", it is exercising common sense. A 16 year old who "knows his limits" is an oxymoron. Alcohol and underage women do not mix (with statutory rape laws anyway.........)

I have no problem telling the OP to quit drinking until he is of legal age.

brad.c

Sep 15, 2009, 10:58 AM

Glamorous?
Yikes!

Yikes, indeed. :eek::D

I was thinking more along the lines of this (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1119646/) or that (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077975/).

spillproof

Sep 15, 2009, 09:07 PM

An adult suggesting a minor follow the laws is not a "hypocrite", it is exercising common sense. A 16 year old who "knows his limits" is an oxymoron. Alcohol and underage women do not mix (with statutory rape laws anyway.........)

I have no problem telling the OP to quit drinking until he is of legal age.

I see where you are coming from. But because I started drinking at 14 and currently less than 2 months from being of age (21 US), I feel weird telling someone underage I don't know they can't/shouldn't drink. But, that will have to change soon.

On a side note I've been thinking about, drinking legally sounds less fun. There is a thrill of hiding drinking or just how much you've drunk from your parents.

electroshock

Sep 15, 2009, 09:35 PM

I grew up with friends who drank, as a teenager, and got to see some of the things that happens when drinking goes bad.

One night, a friend was drinking then at 1am, left and walked along a dark and mostly unlit street. Got hit by a car and didn't survive. We got the town to put up lights and improve the road, but too late. We'd rather have him back than the lights.

Another time, a buddy got so *****faced that he ended up sitting in the shower stall and puked there all night. In the morning, the host made him clean up completely before he was allowed to leave. The girls there were so turned off by all this.

Another time, at a different frat, brothers were doing their Friday night drinking and was hazing a new pledge by essentially forcing him to drink so much. He ended up passing out and they left him, so that he could sleep it off. The next afternoon, they found his cold body. He had choked on his own vomit during the night.

Another time, a buddy was arrested by police, had car towed ($250 cash to get it back), lost his license for a year, had to bum rides or ride a bicycle to work daily, went to court for trial, paid a lawyer thousands of bucks to defend himself, dealt with higher insurance rates, etc... He narrowly avoided being convicted on a felony count, but was found guilty of a misdemeanor DUI. As a result, he's not allowed to enter Canada unless he works at least 10 years to apply for a rehabilitated offender waiver and hope it's accepted.

Sometimes, teenagers will do the wrong thing in responding to an alcohol or drug-related crisis because they're more worried about the consequences of being caught. I remember the time a teen didn't make it when he passed out because instead of his friends calling 911, they tried to let him sleep it off hoping to not draw police/ambulance/parents attention to the situation.

Now, the OP's story had a happy ending. But in real life, sometimes things turns out bad. Alcohol is just too dangerous to mess around when a teenager without adult supervision (or at least an adult in the house and aware).

The police let the OP off real easy, and it sounds like the OP's parents are being relatively easy on the OP if it's just no internet/phone/computer for a while. I do hope the OP learned a better lesson other than "don't get caught next time".

For the OP, my best tip is to wait until you're of legal age to drink. :) Or if you really must drink, do it with an older adult around nearby. Then again, if you really must drink and repeatedly, parents may be worried of the drinking potentially growing into a bigger problem. They've got a lot of stuff on their mind when they think about situations like this.

cantthinkofone

Sep 15, 2009, 10:32 PM

You forgot "and plant a swift one in the posterior when necessary". Don't worry, it's a metaphorical swift one.

So, let's review:
1) OP failed to realize that since he's underage, his limit is zero.
2) OP decided that since drinking at his house was out, he should go somewhere else to do it.
3) OP lied to police.

If the OP were my kid, he wouldn't be going anywhere except school for a copious amount of time and would become intimately familiar with an long list of arduous household tasks and chores.

Agreed. Your underage. Enjoy it while it lasts. When you turn 18 you start getting bills and your car starts breaking, etc etc.

ob81

Sep 16, 2009, 01:41 PM

spillproof

Sep 16, 2009, 02:27 PM

...
I remember the time a teen didn't make it when he passed out because instead of his friends calling 911, they tried to let him sleep it off hoping to not draw police/ambulance/parents attention to the situation.

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For the OP, my best tip is to wait until you're of legal age to drink. :) Or if you really must drink, do it with an older adult around nearby. Then again, if you really must drink and repeatedly, parents may be worried of the drinking potentially growing into a bigger problem. They've got a lot of stuff on their mind when they think about situations like this.

Wow, sorry about your friend.
I remember back in highschool we had an assembly about drugs and alcohol and they talked about a kid who was left by his friend to die because they did not want to get into trouble. His mothers store was so touching, I actually was tearing up.

But I wanted to touch on something similar to what you mentioned. I think the fear of getting caught stems a small part from the parents. It is perfectly fine for parents to tell their child/ren that they do not want them to drink. But if the parents talk about groundings, punishments and other threats for drinking, the will fear seeking help in an emergency.
I have seem if first hand the threats parents give their children about doing things, and from what I have seen and heard, threats lead to more desire to do the condemned act.

A child has to know that their parent/s will always help them if they are in trouble and that doing the right thing, such a calling for a ride rather than drive drunk or calling 911 if someone passes out, far outweighs the punishment in terms of trust.

Just my thoughts. As that is the way myself and many friend were raised. "We want you to be smart about drinking. Remember what we talked about [eating before drinking, not leaving drinks unattended, drink water often]. Don't be afraid to call us if anything goes wrong. We love you and just want to see you safe. If you need ride, call us anytime, even if its 3 in the morning. We rather see you safe that dead somewhere on the road. We will never get mad if you do the right thing."