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SnowLeopard2008
Sep 20, 2009, 02:34 PM
People have been clamoring in the Zune HD boat and it's time we have a face-to-face comparison/review of the two PMPs.

Zune HD Pros:

1. OLED screen
2. HD radio
3. NVIDIA Tegra processor (no utilization)
4. 720p output (must buy dock+cable)
5. Stolen multi-touch gestures

Zune HD cons:

1. Screen not visible outdoors in sunlight
2. 480x272 is NOT HD
3. No App Store (App Store >= 50 apps)
4. No camera
5. Smaller screen resolution (iPod touch - 480x320)
6. IE mobile (world's shoddiest POS)
7. Crude design with 4 screws in back 4 corners
8. Closed development platform
10. POS earbuds
11. No speaker
12. No mic
13. HD radio is flaky at best


iPod touch pros:
1. Newer screen panel, more vibrant, visible outdoors in sunlight
2. Bigger screen resolution (Zune HD - 480x272)
3. App Store w/ 75,000+ apps
4. Safari web browser (world's fastest mobile web browser)
5. Not stolen multi-touch gestures
6. Sexy design, no screws on back
7. iTunes sync
8. Open development platform
9. Speaker, new earbuds w/ remote & mic

iPod touch cons:

1. No HD radio
2. No HD output
3. No camera

Conclusion: iPod touch > Zune HD. The most important thing about a touchscreen PMP is the touchscreen. If it's not visible outdoors, then it loses. Period. I won't always being listening to music indoors.



dukebound85
Sep 20, 2009, 02:38 PM
really now? i find it hilarious how you have to add a negative aspect to the zune features while positives to the touch

way to be unbiased:rolleyes:

SnowLeopard2008
Sep 20, 2009, 02:41 PM
really now? i find it hilarious how you have to add a negative aspect to the zune features while positives to the touch

way to be unbiased:rolleyes:

How am I biased? Everything listed in the pros/cons are 100% true. Stolen multi touch gestures is a bit much but the iPod touch had it first (iPhone actually).

bruinsrme
Sep 20, 2009, 02:41 PM
I thought multi touch gesture were first introduce by bell labs as well as patented by them?

SnowLeopard2008
Sep 20, 2009, 02:42 PM
I thought multi touch gesture were first introduce by bell labs as well as patented by them?

In this comparison, the iPod touch had it first. Zune HD came second. Apple is currently holding the patents to multi touch gestures.

dukebound85
Sep 20, 2009, 02:44 PM
How am I biased? Everything listed in the pros/cons are 100% true. Stolen multi touch gestures is a bit much but the iPod touch had it first (iPhone actually).

can you really not see it?:cool:

People have been clamoring in the Zune HD boat and it's time we have a face-to-face comparison/review of the two PMPs.

Zune HD Pros:

1. OLED screen
2. HD radio
3. NVIDIA Tegra processor (no utilization)
negative aspect, never mind its a faster processor
4. 720p output (must buy dock+cable)
negative aspect, never mind its higher resolution
5. Stolen multi-touch gestures
hardly. there are more than one way to skin a cat

Zune HD cons:

1. Screen not visible outdoors in sunlight
neither is a touch's
2. 480x272 is NOT HD
the ipod cant output hd at all yet...
3. No App Store (App Store >= 50 apps)
just launched. remember when the touch launched? there was NO app stoe
4. No camera
is it meant to be a camera? my car doesnt have a camera yet its not a con
5. Smaller screen resolution (iPod touch - 480x320)
how is this a con? its a different product
6. IE mobile (world's shoddiest POS)
thats pretty biased
7. Crude design with 4 screws in back 4 corners
onc again, opnion, not fact
8. Closed development platform
and apple's isnt???
10. POS earbuds
the ipods are crap too, just brose the forums
11. No speaker
different product
12. No mic
its not a phone.....the touch doesnt have a mic either
13. HD radio is flaky at best
better than no radio lol


iPod touch pros:
1. Newer screen panel, more vibrant, visible outdoors in sunlight
ah yes, lets praise the ipod
2. Bigger screen resolution (Zune HD - 480x272)
different product
3. App Store w/ 75,000+ apps
ok
4. Safari web browser (world's fastest mobile web browser)
ok, not ncessarily the best...
5. Not stolen multi-touch gestures
neither are the zune's....
6. Sexy design, no screws on back
once again, opinion
7. iTunes sync
only if you use itunes as your program...some people viw this as a con, as i do
8. Open development platform
not really
9. Speaker, new earbuds w/ remote & mic
earbuds are still of low quality

iPod touch cons:

1. No HD radio
2. No HD output
3. No camera
there are certainly more than those

Conclusion: iPod touch > Zune HD. The most important thing about a touchscreen PMP is the touchscreen. If it's not visible outdoors, then it loses. Period. I won't always being listening to music indoors.
largely your opinion, which you are entitled to have. doesnt means its "fact"

bruinsrme
Sep 20, 2009, 02:51 PM
In this comparison, the iPod touch had it first. Zune HD came second. Apple is currently holding the patents to multi touch gestures.

So now that apple uses them everyone incorporation multi touch gestures are stealing them from apple?

Have you actually seen and listened to the zine HD? I happened to have listened to a production model about a month ago. The sound quality is superior to the iPods. The HD radio is very good. User interface is very user friendly. As far as Headphones go are you using the stock headphones? I used my shure headphones.

MxChino
Sep 20, 2009, 03:08 PM
After owning a Zune HD for this past week and trying out the zune pass, I would never go back to a pmp that didn't have a subscription service. These things are made to play music primarily aren't they?

SnowLeopard2008
Sep 20, 2009, 03:24 PM
So now that apple uses them everyone incorporation multi touch gestures are stealing them from apple?

Have you actually seen and listened to the zine HD? I happened to have listened to a production model about a month ago. The sound quality is superior to the iPods. The HD radio is very good. User interface is very user friendly. As far as Headphones go are you using the stock headphones? I used my shure headphones.

Well... Shure on Zune HD vs. iPod earbuds on iPod touch. Shure wins hands down. Use stock earbuds on both PMPs.

After owning a Zune HD for this past week and trying out the zune pass, I would never go back to a pmp that didn't have a subscription service. These things are made to play music primarily aren't they?

Really? What happens if you stop subscribing? You lose ALL of your music. I see the benefits, but I want to own whatever I buy. But that's IMHO.

MxChino
Sep 20, 2009, 03:27 PM
No, I don't lose my music. I don't own it, I'm renting it. I do get to keep 10 songs a month that are mine to keep. 5 bucks a month for unlimited music and listening to things I normally wouldn't? Well worth it.

SnowLeopard2008
Sep 20, 2009, 03:30 PM
No, I don't lose my music. I don't own it, I'm renting it. I do get to keep 10 songs a month that are mine to keep. 5 bucks a month for unlimited music and listening to things I normally wouldn't? Well worth it.

Umm no. That makes no sense. But I do see what you're getting at. If you don't download 10 songs a month...

Response to dukebound85.

People have been clamoring in the Zune HD boat and it's time we have a face-to-face comparison/review of the two PMPs.

Zune HD Pros:

1. OLED screen
2. HD radio
3. NVIDIA Tegra processor (no utilization)
negative aspect, never mind its a faster processor

me: how is this negative?

4. 720p output (must buy dock+cable)
negative aspect, never mind its higher resolution

me: again, how is this negative?

5. Stolen multi-touch gestures
hardly. there are more than one way to skin a cat

me: iPod touches/iPhone had this before Zunes and Zune HDs.

Zune HD cons:

1. Screen not visible outdoors in sunlight
neither is a touch's

me: Mine is. It's clearly visible. I'll post pictures if you want.

2. 480x272 is NOT HD
the ipod cant output hd at all yet...

me: Did I say it can? This is a separate topic. I address this later on in the post.

3. No App Store (App Store >= 50 apps)
just launched. remember when the touch launched? there was NO app stoe

me: So? That was a different time. This is NOW.

4. No camera
is it meant to be a camera? my car doesnt have a camera yet its not a con

me: Some people were like "I'm buying the Zune HD since the new iPod touch doesn't have a camera".

5. Smaller screen resolution (iPod touch - 480x320)
how is this a con? its a different product

me: Different product? They are both PMPs. And it does have a smaller screen res.

6. IE mobile (world's shoddiest POS)
thats pretty biased

me: It is pretty slow... and has no features at all. No bookmarks, no search engines, nothing. Just an address bar. And slow loading.

7. Crude design with 4 screws in back 4 corners
onc again, opnion, not fact

me: It is crude. Did I say this is all fact?

8. Closed development platform
and apple's isnt???

me: I can buy apps from 3rd parties. That is what I meant. Zune HD users can't.

10. POS earbuds
the ipods are crap too, just brose the forums

me: At least it has a remote and mic, which can't be said for Zune HD.

11. No speaker
different product

me: How is this a different product? They are both PMPs.

12. No mic
its not a phone.....the touch doesnt have a mic either

me: Yes it does, the included earbuds for 32/64GB iPod touch 3G has a remote + mic.

13. HD radio is flaky at best
better than no radio lol

me: true.


iPod touch pros:
1. Newer screen panel, more vibrant, visible outdoors in sunlight
ah yes, lets praise the ipod

me: the screen panel is better than 2G.

2. Bigger screen resolution (Zune HD - 480x272)
different product

me: WTF? How is this a different product? They are both PMPs!!!!!

3. App Store w/ 75,000+ apps
ok

me: ?

4. Safari web browser (world's fastest mobile web browser)
ok, not ncessarily the best...

me: I said "fastest" not "best". It is the fastest.

5. Not stolen multi-touch gestures
neither are the zune's....

me: iPod/iPhone had it before the Zune did.

6. Sexy design, no screws on back
once again, opinion

me: Not having screws in the back is fact. Majority agree it is a sexy design.

7. iTunes sync
only if you use itunes as your program...some people viw this as a con, as i do

me: What do you use? Zune HDs can only use the Zune software.

8. Open development platform
not really

me: Open to 3rd party app developers.

9. Speaker, new earbuds w/ remote & mic
earbuds are still of low quality

me: And Zune HDs aren't? Don't compare to good headphones, but it is a step forward compared to older iPod earbuds.

iPod touch cons:

1. No HD radio
2. No HD output
3. No camera
there are certainly more than those

me: Show, not tell.

Conclusion: iPod touch > Zune HD. The most important thing about a touchscreen PMP is the touchscreen. If it's not visible outdoors, then it loses. Period. I won't always being listening to music indoors.
largely your opinion, which you are entitled to have. doesnt means its "fact"

me: Did I ever once claim this as fact? The last two sentences are fact.

PeterQVenkman
Sep 20, 2009, 03:43 PM
Really? What happens if you stop subscribing? You lose ALL of your music. I see the benefits, but I want to own whatever I buy. But that's IMHO.

You lose all DRM music. The Zune pass also gives you 10 downloads a month that are DRM free and yours to keep.

For large consumers of music/hardcore music fans, the Zune pass is really, really nice.

I like my touch. but i would have gotten a Zune if it worked on a mac.

me: Did I ever once claim this as fact? The last two sentences are fact.

Holy crap, do you even read what you type?

[man in black voice] Truly you have a dizzying intellect. [/man in black voice]

So you like the touch, congratulations. I love mine. But the Zune is a nice piece of kit. It doesn't make your touch worth any less, nor should another product diminish the enjoyment of the one you own.

Stop dumping on other people's purchases. It makes you sound like a fifth grader with an inferiority complex.

MxChino
Sep 20, 2009, 03:54 PM
Umm no. That makes no sense. But I do see what you're getting at. If you don't download 10 songs a month...

Why doesn't it make sense? I know I don't own it, I'm fine with that. Why wouldn't I keep my 10 songs a month? I don't see where you're going with this. Well i do, but its just more blatent apple fanboyism.

dukebound85
Sep 20, 2009, 03:55 PM
People have been clamoring in the Zune HD boat and it's time we have a face-to-face comparison/review of the two PMPs.

Zune HD Pros:

1. OLED screen
2. HD radio
3. NVIDIA Tegra processor (no utilization)
negative aspect, never mind its a faster processor

me: how is this negative?
for every pro you give the zune, you then taint it in a negative manner

4. 720p output (must buy dock+cable)
negative aspect, never mind its higher resolution

me: again, how is this negative?same reason as above.....

5. Stolen multi-touch gestures
hardly. there are more than one way to skin a cat

me: iPod touches/iPhone had this before Zunes and Zune HDs.
your point? doesnt mean its "stolen"....just a different implementation. you know all cars now have seatbelts too right lol

Zune HD cons:

1. Screen not visible outdoors in sunlight
neither is a touch's

me: Mine is. It's clearly visible. I'll post pictures if you want.i have both a touch and iphone. i speak from MY experience

2. 480x272 is NOT HD
the ipod cant output hd at all yet...

me: Did I say it can? This is a separate topic. I address this later on in the post.you are comparing this to the touch so how is it a con in comparision....it isnt

3. No App Store (App Store >= 50 apps)
just launched. remember when the touch launched? there was NO app stoe

me: So? That was a different time. This is NOW.my point is give it time....

4. No camera
is it meant to be a camera? my car doesnt have a camera yet its not a con

me: Some people were like "I'm buying the Zune HD since the new iPod touch doesn't have a camera".and some people dont care for a camera at all

5. Smaller screen resolution (iPod touch - 480x320)
how is this a con? its a different product

me: Different product? They are both PMPs. And it does have a smaller screen res.yes, its a different product. the zune is not meant to be an exact clone of a touch.....

6. IE mobile (world's shoddiest POS)
thats pretty biased

me: It is pretty slow... and has no features at all. No bookmarks, no search engines, nothing. Just an address bar. And slow loading.give it time

7. Crude design with 4 screws in back 4 corners
onc again, opnion, not fact

me: It is crude. Did I say this is all fact?then dont object when i say your review is biased if you know want to start using opinions as opposed to writing an unbiased comparision:cool:

8. Closed development platform
and apple's isnt???

me: I can buy apps from 3rd parties. That is what I meant. Zune HD users can't.give it time

10. POS earbuds
the ipods are crap too, just brose the forums

me: At least it has a remote and mic, which can't be said for Zune HD. still crappy quality headphones that i always exchange out for

11. No speaker
different product

me: How is this a different product? They are both PMPs.*sigh* i explained this already

12. No mic
its not a phone.....the touch doesnt have a mic either

me: Yes it does, the included earbuds for 32/64GB iPod touch 3G has a remote + mic.so its really just a benefit in the headphones then, not the actual device





2. Bigger screen resolution (Zune HD - 480x272)
different product

me: WTF? How is this a different product? They are both PMPs!!!!!yes they are different products.......

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4. Safari web browser (world's fastest mobile web browser)
ok, not ncessarily the best...

me: I said "fastest" not "best". It is the fastest.sources?

5. Not stolen multi-touch gestures
neither are the zune's....

me: iPod/iPhone had it before the Zune did.so?

6. Sexy design, no screws on back
once again, opinion

me: Not having screws in the back is fact. Majority agree it is a sexy design.who is this majority? doesnt it only depend on if one buys it or not? and i know people will buy the zune soooo yea

7. iTunes sync
only if you use itunes as your program...some people viw this as a con, as i do

me: What do you use? Zune HDs can only use the Zune software.i use itunes, not because i want to. just saying how this isnt a pro to me and many others at all

8. Open development platform
not really

me: Open to 3rd party app developers.and i bet the zune will be the same...it just launched


iPod touch cons:

1. No HD radio
2. No HD output
3. No camera
there are certainly more than those

me: Show, not tell.to me, navigation, media manegment, apps in background, etc. do i relaly need to go on?

Conclusion: iPod touch > Zune HD. The most important thing about a touchscreen PMP is the touchscreen. If it's not visible outdoors, then it loses. Period. I won't always being listening to music indoors.
largely your opinion, which you are entitled to have. doesnt means its "fact"

me: Did I ever once claim this as fact? The last two sentences are fact.then dont get upset when i call your review biased.:rolleyes:

My only point was that this is not an objective comparision. We know you like the ipod, good for you

NoSmokingBandit
Sep 20, 2009, 03:56 PM
lol at this whole thread.

MxChino
Sep 20, 2009, 04:04 PM
Response to dukebound85.

6. Sexy design, no screws on back
once again, opinion

me: Not having screws in the back is fact. Majority agree it is a sexy design.



Yes, the back of an ipod is so sexy. If you look at it wrong it scratches.

ucfgrad93
Sep 20, 2009, 04:11 PM
While the Zune HD looks like a great player it does have some drawbacks when compared to the iPod Touch.

1. Lack of apps. Yeah, I know the iPod touch launched with no app store, but the lack of apps will hurt the appeal of the Zune to those who might switch from the iPod touch.

2. Lack of Mac compatibility. I do run Windows on my Macs, but only because my wife needs them for work. If you use a Mac, the Zune doesn't work with Mac OS therefore it is a no go.

3. It is only available in 1 country. Are you kidding me? The Zune has been around for 2-3 years, yet you can only get one in the U.S. The Zune will never be successful or gain marketshare if it is limited to only one country.

xxBURT0Nxx
Sep 20, 2009, 04:15 PM
me: Did I ever once claim this as fact? The last two sentences are fact.



How am I biased? Everything listed in the pros/cons are 100% true. Stolen multi touch gestures is a bit much but the iPod touch had it first (iPhone actually).

looks like you said right there that it was a fact.. :eek:

The point the other guy was trying to make is that you are entitled to your opinion (that the iPod touch is better than the zune hd), but don't post it as a fact and unbiased review.

thegoldenmackid
Sep 20, 2009, 04:20 PM
lol at this whole thread.

Thanks. I agree with dukebound85, this really is not even close to be fair. You can't use words like "stolen" in attempt to comparing. Who cares? They both have the touchscreen, I'm lost why it's a matter of "I had it before you did, so I win."

Also, SnowLeopard2008, I know you have an iPod touch, but how much time have you spent with the Zune?

FieryFurnace
Sep 20, 2009, 05:14 PM
I'm right now deciding which on to get, so I was hoping for a real and serious Touch vs. Zune thread.

And what did I have read once I clicked on it?

... :apple::apple::apple::apple::apple: .... :rolleyes:

MxChino
Sep 20, 2009, 05:29 PM
I'm right now deciding which on to get, so I was hoping for a real and serious Touch vs. Zune thread.

And what did I have read once I clicked on it?

... :apple::apple::apple::apple::apple: .... :rolleyes:

If you want to listen to music and like what zunepass gives you, get the zune.

If you want to be able to look up types of birds, get an ipod touch. :P

yg17
Sep 20, 2009, 05:48 PM
Yes, the back of an ipod is so sexy. If you look at it wrong it scratches.

Pretty much summed up the back of the player argument. The Zune may have screws, but I'm sure it doesn't scratch if you look at it funny.

solaris7
Sep 20, 2009, 06:11 PM
basically, snowleopard2008 got owned/pwned in this argument :D

tundotcom
Sep 20, 2009, 06:37 PM
first one to give me a camera gets my $300

FieryFurnace
Sep 20, 2009, 07:13 PM
If you want to listen to music and like what zunepass gives you, get the zune.

If you want to be able to look up types of birds, get an ipod touch. :P

For me web browsing is, I guess, most important.

Do both devices support VPNs?

Tieranus
Sep 20, 2009, 08:50 PM
Really, the OLED screen may look bad outdoors, but iPod Touch doesn't really look any better outdoors either.

elppa
Sep 20, 2009, 09:21 PM
The Zune is a traditional media player than general purpose device. So if you want a general purpose pocket computer then the iPod touch is the way to go.

The Zune HD reminds me of very much what Apple would attempt if they were trying to get into a market. It is very focussed on doing a few things well (music, video) and has some unique features which make it stand out as a premium product.

In terms of design, I think it is better than the touch. Whilst the screws may not be to everyone's taste I think they fit well with the rugged, industrial look.

The touch debuted in 2007, even in that time the chipsets and techniques would have progressed (e.g. the Zune HD is lighter, yet offers a brighter screen and better battery life).

Zune users do all get their software updates for free, which is another bonus to the HD. That wasn't mentioned in the OPs comparison.

leomac08
Sep 20, 2009, 09:24 PM
HEY OP!

this is pretty much the same stuff i've been hearing over and OVER and OVER!:eek:

the zune HD sucks!!!!

but hey that's my opinion....;)

I have an ipod touch

but I have no Zune HD or any Zune Device!

so in any case I will always be biased, b/c I tend to like more the ipod touch than the Zune HD

in sociological terms, "things that u are familiar, are more appealing to you than those that don't":rolleyes:

MBP09
Sep 20, 2009, 10:36 PM
This thread fails in so many levels. Fanboyism at its best.

Muncher
Sep 20, 2009, 11:27 PM
Well... Shure on Zune HD vs. iPod earbuds on iPod touch. Shure wins hands down. Use stock earbuds on both PMPs.



Really? What happens if you stop subscribing? You lose ALL of your music. I see the benefits, but I want to own whatever I buy. But that's IMHO.

What?! Are you kidding me? Do you expect to hear any differences in quality through stock earbuds?

You don't own any of your music. The artists don't even own their music. An artist could get sued for distributing his music without permission of the owners (the record companies). Think you own a DRM free file? Hell no. It's just easier to "pirate" when you use it in ways not "allowed" by your license.

elpmas
Sep 20, 2009, 11:42 PM
Lol. This thread was meant to be flamed on...lol. Just buy either one, it's about preferences jezzz people...you're being "fanboys" :P

thegoldenmackid
Sep 20, 2009, 11:44 PM
Lol. This thread was meant to be flamed on...lol. Just buy either one, it's about preferences jezzz people...you're being "fanboys" :P

Oddly, it's not people being fanboys, rather it's people taking offense to what is not a fair comparison. I don't own a Zune and doubt I would ever, but it's wrong to post information like that and try to claim to have some sort of credibility.

slapppy
Sep 21, 2009, 12:35 AM
The Zune is a traditional media player than general purpose device. So if you want a general purpose pocket computer then the iPod touch is the way to go.

The Zune HD reminds me of very much what Apple would attempt if they were trying to get into a market. It is very focussed on doing a few things well (music, video) and has some unique features which make it stand out as a premium product.

In terms of design, I think it is better than the touch. Whilst the screws may not be to everyone's taste I think they fit well with the rugged, industrial look.

The touch debuted in 2007, even in that time the chipsets and techniques would have progressed (e.g. the Zune HD is lighter, yet offers a brighter screen and better battery life).

Zune users do all get their software updates for free, which is another bonus to the HD. That wasn't mentioned in the OPs comparison.

Disagree completely. The iPod and all its lines are traditionally music players. Right at the beginning. Where on paper did Apple say that they are no longer considered music players. They are iPods. A traditional music player at heart. Just because Apple added some fun and usefulness with it, doesn't mean that iPods are no longer music players.

crackbookpro
Sep 21, 2009, 12:41 AM
If you want to listen to music and like what zunepass gives you, get the zune.

If you want to be able to look up types of birds, get an ipod touch. :P

...it seems you like the zune HD.

I think, in general, people are just used to iTunes (Apple has the market), and it is hard to go back. For some who have a ton of previous downloaded music it is a task. Plus, the app store is truly the key, and along with a much better mobile internet experience with Safari.

I hope the iPod Touch becomes more enticing sooner than later.... I may buy a Zune HD for a gift, so please keep up the feedback...

xxBURT0Nxx
Sep 21, 2009, 07:34 AM
Disagree completely. The iPod and all its lines are traditionally music players. Right at the beginning. Where on paper did Apple say that they are no longer considered music players. They are iPods. A traditional music player at heart. Just because Apple added some fun and usefulness with it, doesn't mean that iPods are no longer music players.

Apple just clouted the touch as a gaming device at the iPod event lol... and the iPod touch does a lot of things besides play music, and some of the other iPods are getting more features that don't have to do with music (nano camera).

What the OP was saying is that in the past apple would come to market with something like the iPod, and all it really does is play music and podcasts. Now apple's devices have a ton of extra features built into them. It seems the Zune HD is more dedicated to being a music player than an all in one gaming/email/mobile web/calander/app store/iPod/etc. device.

jclardy
Sep 21, 2009, 08:06 AM
I would go with the Zune HD if I was looking for a straight up media player and if it had mac support. If Apple implemented a subscription service similar to Zune Pass then it would probably be a toss up for me.

The thing is, I am not looking for a separate media player, I would rather have a device with a bit more utility, hence iPod Touch/iPhone.


And the browser on the Zune HD needs a lot of work. First, it is SLOW (See the engadget video here (http://www.viddler.com/explore/engadget/videos/624/) for a comparison test) It does not have tabs so you can only view one page at a time, and it doesn't render certain page elements. These can all be fixed in a software update, but to be honest as long as they are relying on the IE renderer at the core it will never be as good as any WebKit based browser.

Also the car commercial before you play a game is pretty cheesy, I would much rather have a banner ad rather than having to wait 10 seconds to open a game. Oh and the load time on apps is terrible, it takes 5 seconds to open a calculator? That is why I would recommend Zune HD only to people who are looking for a media player, and only a media player.

Gyrferret
Sep 21, 2009, 09:38 AM
Well, you, sir, have aroused my ire. This is the REAL unbiased review....

iPod touch Pro:
Nice Screen
Multi-touch gestures that you only use for..... photos??!?!?
Unibody-esq design
SLIDE TO UNLOCK!!!!!
External Speaker....
Safair
Built in connection to diety of your choice
+3 Mac Points!
Paper weight mode
Easily user serv..... oh wait.....
:apple: logo on back!

iPod touch cons:
It got boring after a while....
It doesn't slay the Microsoft Dragon
Your Virility didn't increase
The world is still NOT in a revolution.


Zune HD Pros:
[Haven't used device]

Zune HD Cons:
[Haven't used device]

OPERA 5 MINI BETA Pros:
Dominant share of mobile market.
FASTEST AND BEST mobile Web Browser.;)

Opera 5 Mini Beta Cons:
****** you! This is my review!

Again. I wish to say that this review is UNBIASED and based of MULTIPLE, Age-Verifiable, Country of Origin Cetrified, Organic, Non- HSTP carrying Sources....

slapppy
Sep 21, 2009, 09:59 AM
Apple just clouted the touch as a gaming device at the iPod event lol... and the iPod touch does a lot of things besides play music, and some of the other iPods are getting more features that don't have to do with music (nano camera).

What the OP was saying is that in the past apple would come to market with something like the iPod, and all it really does is play music and podcasts. Now apple's devices have a ton of extra features built into them. It seems the Zune HD is more dedicated to being a music player than an all in one gaming/email/mobile web/calander/app store/iPod/etc. device.

Right, yet its still an iPod Touch. "iPod" name itself is defined as a music player.

Chimpy
Sep 21, 2009, 10:14 AM
The fact that the Zune doesn't support the Mac platform makes it a non-issue for me. I would check it out as I'm a bit of a MP junkie, but haven't bothered to due to that one issue alone.

elppa
Sep 21, 2009, 10:40 AM
Disagree completely. The iPod and all its lines are traditionally music players. Right at the beginning. Where on paper did Apple say that they are no longer considered music players. They are iPods. A traditional music player at heart. Just because Apple added some fun and usefulness with it, doesn't mean that iPods are no longer music players.

I think we have our wires crossed.

The point I was trying to make is that the Zune is focussed on music and video, whereas the iPod has a broader feature set.

Due to its focus on just these two things, Microsoft has produced a device which has some unique features which the iPod doesn't have. When listening to Music Zune HD pulls back album artwork and lyrics, whilst HD video output is supported. Not only that, the UI to navigate content on your HDTV screen is very slick.

Consultant
Sep 21, 2009, 11:30 AM
Microsoft Zune HD vs Apple iPod touch 3G, Feature Comparison

http://obamapacman.com/2009/09/microsoft-zune-hd-vs-apple-ipod-touch-3g-feature-comparison/

Pretty long article.

Consultant
Sep 21, 2009, 11:32 AM
I think we have our wires crossed.

The point I was trying to make is that the Zune is focussed on music and video, whereas the iPod has a broader feature set.


Nope, the MS vaporware PR releases also include gaming and other apps.

However MS is unable to deliver it on launch date.

The fact that the Zune doesn't support the Mac platform makes it a non-issue for me. I would check it out as I'm a bit of a MP junkie, but haven't bothered to due to that one issue alone.

Yup. MS won't even support its own Windows Media Player with the Zune, never mind OS X.

thegoldenmackid
Sep 21, 2009, 12:08 PM
I really wish that people would hold off until they have had equal time with both devices, in their hands.

elpmas
Sep 21, 2009, 01:18 PM
Oddly, it's not people being fanboys, rather it's people taking offense to what is not a fair comparison. I don't own a Zune and doubt I would ever, but it's wrong to post information like that and try to claim to have some sort of credibility.

Couldn't agree more.

trip1ex
Sep 21, 2009, 01:24 PM
The Zune's differentiating features don't have mass appeal. These include HD Radio, HD output with $90 add-on and Zune Pass and 1 or 2 other features.

However if any these features really appeal to you and make or break your purchase decision then the Zune would be the one to get.

Otherwise, for the majority, Touch has it beat.

IF you just want a music player a Nano is probably more appealing.

jav6454
Sep 21, 2009, 01:30 PM
This thread is asking for a Flame War. I say we close it and get real facts not opinions and then decide which is better.

thegoldenmackid
Sep 21, 2009, 01:31 PM
This thread is asking for a Flame War. I say we close it and get real facts not opinions and then decide which is better.

Yes, but SnowLeopard2008 has been absent from it, I still really would like to know if he spent anytime with the Zune and if so, how much.

crackbookpro
Sep 21, 2009, 01:33 PM
This thread is asking for a Flame War. I say we close it and get real facts not opinions and then decide which is better.

agreed...

NT1440
Sep 21, 2009, 01:36 PM
Yes, but SnowLeopard2008 has been absent from it, I still really would like to know if he spent anytime with the Zune and if so, how much.

Obviously so much time that he couldn't return and post.

I don't doubt that MS actually put something nice together here, the problem is (for them anyway) that if you have such a small market presence, and rely on gimmicks mainly to sell your device, i don't think your going to take off all that well. It worries me that so many people get so excited for features that clearly are just buzzwords and not really ready for primetime (OLED will be great, will be).

PeterQVenkman
Sep 21, 2009, 03:21 PM
Yes, but SnowLeopard2008 has been absent from it, I still really would like to know if he spent anytime with the Zune and if so, how much.

It's clear from his posts that he hasn't spent any time with it, nor does he want to.

bedoig
Sep 21, 2009, 03:56 PM
I've never bothered with a stand alone media player before as my smartphone had all the same capabilities, and I had no desire to carry around another device. That said, the Zune HD sparked my interest enough to pick one up, and for comparison's sake I decided to pit it against the new 3rd Gen iPod Touch (32GB) which I also picked up from a local retailer. My impressions:

Lets just jump right in with the OLED screen.
- Yes, it is better. Way better. Side by side comparisons of identical images honestly make the iPod's screen look like a washed out piece of junk. I'll post images if there is demand, but suffice it to say that the Zune's screen is in a different league all together when it comes to color saturation, black levels, etc. You've heard it all before.
- Yes, it also performs quite poorly in direct sunlight. Much worse than the iPod. I really don't think this would have been much of an issue for me, but I can see that it would be for some.

On to the browsers. Both are surprisingly good, but the hands down winner is Safari. It is a much more polished all around product, and a real pleasure to use. The new processor brings Safari's rendering speeds very close to the speed of a desktop. I will give a nod to the Zune here in that its screen reorientation was noticeably faster and smoother. As long as we're talking browsers, lets talk keyboards. As far as visual appeal (completely subjective), I'd choose the Zune's on-screen keyboard. The iPod's keyboard is starting to look slightly dated, and MS has an interesting, slightly different approach. Who really cares what it looks like though? Functionality-wise, I'd say the iPod is a winner. At first glance, you wouldn't think there would be a huge difference between on-screen keyboards on a 3.3" screen and a 3.5" screen, but the Zune's 16:9 aspect ratio means that the screen is actually significantly narrower in portrait mode. Narrow enough to make two handed typing more difficult. The iPod's keyboard is also more intelligent at putting context relevant keys on the screen at appropriate times (".com" "@" etc.).

Apps. No contest obviously. The Zune's pre-application advertisements and load times suck most of what little enjoyment there is out of them. And while it is fair to say that the iPhone/iPod also launched with no 3rd party support, I find MS' stance on the issue frustrating. The iPhone/iPod team of devices is attractive to developers because they are 99% compatible, but Microsoft is segregating the Zune from the entire Windows Mobile ecosystem. I'm well aware of what hurdles exist in integrating the two, but some effort (or at least acknowledgement of the desirability of the prospect) would be welcome.

Media Interface. It's a fairly subjective topic, but I find the Zune's interface much more involving and visually interesting. Not a deciding factor when the device is in your pocket, but I think it's worth mentioning.

Sound quality. I'm not a huge audiophile, but I'd give the Zune a small margin of victory. For most people, I would think either device would be perfectly acceptable in this regard.

Exterior design. Again a subjective field, but the people making fun of the screws on the back show themselves to be hopeless fanboys. Overall, I preferred the industrial, aluminum look of the Zune, but the iPod is still an attractive device. Being more of a function person, this category is largely irrelevant to me.

Overall size. Slightly less than half a millimeter separates the two in thickness, but the Zune is significantly narrower and shorter. Slip it into a pants pocket and it completely disappears. For the record, the iPod is hardly a pocket-hog either. Here's where you start getting into the mp3 player versus pocket computer debate. As strictly an mp3/media player, the Zune's size is preferable. As a pocket computer, the iPod has reached the sweet spot of screen size, one handed usability, and pocketability. I'm not going to weigh in one way or another here. User preference.

Processors - The Tegra is powerful. Although officially limited to 720p output, the Tegra APX 2600 is widely rumored to be able to handle 1080p without much fuss. The power is there, but wether applications take advantage of it remains to be seen. Let's wait until we see some real 3D games (Project Gotham Racing for example). Of course, the new Cortex A8 chip in the iPod/iPhone is a tremendous little powerhouse itself. And seeing as there are no existing cross-platform benchmarking applications that produce reliable, meaningful results, discussions of raw horsepower are...meaningless. Please noone even suggest a comparison of clock speeds. Verdict - virtually zero difference to end user. If you're concerned with media hype and internet bragging rights, go with the Tegra.

HD radio - Why wouldn't you want it? Dismissing it's usefulness seems like a stupid attempt to justify senseless brand loyalty.

Bluetooth and External Speaker - Significant Zune deficits in my opinion. Maybe on the Zune HD2...

Availability of Subscription Service - Major selling point for me. I've been a Rhapsody subscriber for several years and I love the subscription model. Again, to me dismissing subscription services (especially one where you keep 10 songs per month) seems like a silly attempt to detract from the Zune. I don't know why you wouldn't want to explore music in the way a subscription offers. I suppose you can pirate the same quantities of content, but poor organization, missing or inaccurate track information, missing album art, etc seem like more than enough reason for me to shell out $15. To each his own though. And this was the segway into my final deciding factor:

Zune HD + Zune Pass + WiFi enabled cell phone should have equaled more music than I know what to do with everywhere I go. Unfortunately, Microsoft has pointlessly locked out adhoc network connection sharing, thereby killing my dream. The iPod is a great all around gadget, can share my phone's internet connection over WiFi, and Rhapsody recently released an app to allow streaming on the iPhone/iPod Touch. And while I would prefer high quality downloads to somewhat low quality streams, I'll take what I can get.


Winner (for me): iPod Touch. And that's from a die-hard Windows Mobile geek.

Sorry, didn't realize how long this was getting. Hopefully someone found it interesting ;)

MVApple
Sep 21, 2009, 05:58 PM
I've never bothered with a stand alone media player before as my smartphone had all the same capabilities, and I had no desire to carry around another device. That said, the Zune HD sparked my interest enough to pick one up, and for comparison's sake I decided to pit it against the new 3rd Gen iPod Touch (32GB) which I also picked up from a local retailer. My impressions:

Lets just jump right in with the OLED screen.
- Yes, it is better. Way better. Side by side comparisons of identical images honestly make the iPod's screen look like a washed out piece of junk. I'll post images if there is demand, but suffice it to say that the Zune's screen is in a different league all together when it comes to color saturation, black levels, etc. You've heard it all before.
- Yes, it also performs quite poorly in direct sunlight. Much worse than the iPod. I really don't think this would have been much of an issue for me, but I can see that it would be for some.

On to the browsers. Both are surprisingly good, but the hands down winner is Safari. It is a much more polished all around product, and a real pleasure to use. The new processor brings Safari's rendering speeds very close to the speed of a desktop. I will give a nod to the Zune here in that its screen reorientation was noticeably faster and smoother. As long as we're talking browsers, lets talk keyboards. As far as visual appeal (completely subjective), I'd choose the Zune's on-screen keyboard. The iPod's keyboard is starting to look slightly dated, and MS has an interesting, slightly different approach. Who really cares what it looks like though? Functionality-wise, I'd say the iPod is a winner. At first glance, you wouldn't think there would be a huge difference between on-screen keyboards on a 3.3" screen and a 3.5" screen, but the Zune's 16:9 aspect ratio means that the screen is actually significantly narrower in portrait mode. Narrow enough to make two handed typing more difficult. The iPod's keyboard is also more intelligent at putting context relevant keys on the screen at appropriate times (".com" "@" etc.).

Apps. No contest obviously. The Zune's pre-application advertisements and load times suck most of what little enjoyment there is out of them. And while it is fair to say that the iPhone/iPod also launched with no 3rd party support, I find MS' stance on the issue frustrating. The iPhone/iPod team of devices is attractive to developers because they are 99% compatible, but Microsoft is segregating the Zune from the entire Windows Mobile ecosystem. I'm well aware of what hurdles exist in integrating the two, but some effort (or at least acknowledgement of the desirability of the prospect) would be welcome.

Media Interface. It's a fairly subjective topic, but I find the Zune's interface much more involving and visually interesting. Not a deciding factor when the device is in your pocket, but I think it's worth mentioning.

Sound quality. I'm not a huge audiophile, but I'd give the Zune a small margin of victory. For most people, I would think either device would be perfectly acceptable in this regard.

Exterior design. Again a subjective field, but the people making fun of the screws on the back show themselves to be hopeless fanboys. Overall, I preferred the industrial, aluminum look of the Zune, but the iPod is still an attractive device. Being more of a function person, this category is largely irrelevant to me.

Overall size. Slightly less than half a millimeter separates the two in thickness, but the Zune is significantly narrower and shorter. Slip it into a pants pocket and it completely disappears. For the record, the iPod is hardly a pocket-hog either. Here's where you start getting into the mp3 player versus pocket computer debate. As strictly an mp3/media player, the Zune's size is preferable. As a pocket computer, the iPod has reached the sweet spot of screen size, one handed usability, and pocketability. I'm not going to weigh in one way or another here. User preference.

Processors - The Tegra is powerful. Although officially limited to 720p output, the Tegra APX 2600 is widely rumored to be able to handle 1080p without much fuss. The power is there, but wether applications take advantage of it remains to be seen. Let's wait until we see some real 3D games (Project Gotham Racing for example). Of course, the new Cortex A8 chip in the iPod/iPhone is a tremendous little powerhouse itself. And seeing as there are no existing cross-platform benchmarking applications that produce reliable, meaningful results, discussions of raw horsepower are...meaningless. Please noone even suggest a comparison of clock speeds. Verdict - virtually zero difference to end user. If you're concerned with media hype and internet bragging rights, go with the Tegra.

HD radio - Why wouldn't you want it? Dismissing it's usefulness seems like a stupid attempt to justify senseless brand loyalty.

Bluetooth and External Speaker - Significant Zune deficits in my opinion. Maybe on the Zune HD2...

Availability of Subscription Service - Major selling point for me. I've been a Rhapsody subscriber for several years and I love the subscription model. Again, to me dismissing subscription services (especially one where you keep 10 songs per month) seems like a silly attempt to detract from the Zune. I don't know why you wouldn't want to explore music in the way a subscription offers. I suppose you can pirate the same quantities of content, but poor organization, missing or inaccurate track information, missing album art, etc seem like more than enough reason for me to shell out $15. To each his own though. And this was the segway into my final deciding factor:

Zune HD + Zune Pass + WiFi enabled cell phone should have equaled more music than I know what to do with everywhere I go. Unfortunately, Microsoft has pointlessly locked out adhoc network connection sharing, thereby killing my dream. The iPod is a great all around gadget, can share my phone's internet connection over WiFi, and Rhapsody recently released an app to allow streaming on the iPhone/iPod Touch. And while I would prefer high quality downloads to somewhat low quality streams, I'll take what I can get.


Winner (for me): iPod Touch. And that's from a die-hard Windows Mobile geek.

Sorry, didn't realize how long this was getting. Hopefully someone found it interesting ;)

Pretty much how I feel too. The iPod Touch is simply amazing. Apple is so far ahead of the curve here that its laughable. I'm returning my Zune HD tomorrow after having a 3G to compare it with in a few days.

I'm far from an Apple fanboy either. I'm definitely excited about Windows Mobile 7 but that's still one year away.

alphaod
Sep 21, 2009, 10:15 PM
After reading this thread, I have concluded I definite want a Zune HD.

SnowLeopard2008
Sep 21, 2009, 11:48 PM
I've opened up quite the Pandora's box... :D:eek:

MegaDell
Sep 22, 2009, 12:00 AM
The only box you opened up was full of biased fanboyism. All you did was allow for those with an objective point of view to comment.

thegoldenmackid
Sep 22, 2009, 12:15 AM
You have to give a tad bit more evidence then that, this isn't high school.

Dark K
Oct 15, 2009, 04:13 PM
To be quite more fair, Im a guy of both sides, I owned a 1st gen Zune for like 1 year. Then I got the iPod Touch in 2007. And now, I bought recently a ZuneHD.

So, here are my opinion:

ZuneHD Pros;

1. Incredibly lighthweight, I was quite amazed at this.

2. Awesome interface, good way to navigate.

3. Sidebar shortcuts are quite stunning.

4. Amazing design, beautiful brushed metal back.

5. Content management, wooo.

6. Super fast accelerometer.

7. Full music content for every song added, including bio, related artists and pictures.

8. Price

9. HD; my God, if you get the ZuneHD, be sure to grab at the same time a pair of GOOD earbuds, play with the equalizer and bang! Super quality music.

Cons;

1. Web browser is quite bad, and to be fair, since day one of the iPod Touch's release the Touch had a complete basic safari web browser.

2. Beautiful screen but small.


And that's my opinion of the ZuneHD, basically and honestly, the iPod Touch and ZuneHD are both at the same finish line, both products bring great stuff. The touch is a great product either way, it has lasted 2 years without ANY problem, so yeah.

And also, I think that the ZuneHD was released to basically complete the Zune MP3 lineup family.

TheSandman2236
Oct 15, 2009, 09:47 PM
You might want to consult my thread....with the lack of a Search Feature on the Zune HD.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=790499