20" & 23" Aluminum Displays Now Shipping

[MacRumors]

According to Apple, the new 20" & 23" aluminum frame LCD displays (http://www.apple.com/displays/) have begun shipping today. Priced at US $1299 & $1999 (http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?family=AppleDisplays) respectively, these two models now represent the lower end of the Apple Cinema Display line. The 30" Cinema display is rumored to begin shipping in August.

[klaus]

Great,

now make us tremble with real life pictures! :D

[Mac Boy-Canada]

Whew! Finally, we get to play around with them! ;)

[sabbath999]

My 20" should arrive Friday! :)

[dizastor]

i need to find the Seattle Apple store so I can see these things up close.

They look really slick in photos.

[Sabbath]

i need to find the Seattle Apple store so I can see these things up close.

They look really slick in photos.

Ill be popping down to my local reseller soon to check them out, hopefully they should have one on show by next weekend.

My beloved 20" display which I cost me a fortune is now talked about in macrumors news as the bottom end of the line :( hehe

[the_mole1314]

i need to find the Seattle Apple store so I can see these things up close.

They look really slick in photos.

Went this past weekend, didn't see any. I'll go latter today to see if they have any in. My guess is to go this weekend.

[varmit]

took 2 weeks. Sounds good to me. If they can keep that up for all products from now on, iMac announced August 30, shipping 2 weeks later. Giving schools enough time to possibly get them in if they wanted them. As soon as I have some money, I'm getting a 20 incher.

[The Red Wolf]

I've seen twin 30"'s up close. As well as the 23" and the 20". All have immaculate image quality. I've seen nothing to equal them in the LCD Market. Period. USB 2.0 and Firewire in the back are a lovely touch. So is the ability to mount them on the wall (VESA) if you like. There is nothing "low end" about the smaller displays. They represent the best LCDs available.

[goodwill]

It still amazes me they consider these the "lower end" ahahahaahaha! THEYRE 20 AND 23 INCHES!

[Bhennies]

Well, the reseller I ordered my 23" from has no info about them shipping, so I hope they get them soon as well. HURRY UP APPLE!

[macridah]

I hope the LCD's arrive in the apple store very soon. I'll be calling my local apple store to check. Seriously, I saw the 30" at the WWDC and my jaw dropped. It's been a while since I saw one in person, and I can't wait to see it again.

I was going to pre-order it, but I wanted to wait and see how the new iMac's will look like.

I wonder if the new iMac's will be headless or if they will use the same LCD's as these displays.

[Soire]

Crazy thought of the day- This is the week Apple will ship all the ***** that they've shown us.

AKA My 20" will have a 2.5 to go with it, and not sit all lonely, making me depressed. ;)

[remingtonhill]

I've seen the Apple LCDs (not the new ones) and noticed how immaculate the image quality is.

The specifications seem to be beat by cheaper lcd displays, but the apple displays look much better. Why is that?

-Rem

[Lancetx]

Well, the reseller I ordered my 23" from has no info about them shipping, so I hope they get them soon as well. HURRY UP APPLE!

I'm sure the Apple Retail Stores will be getting them first as always. Hopefully they'll have them in store and setup on display there by this weekend so we can finally see them in person.

[webplummer]

Yeah, all this stuff (displays, Airport Express) was squeezed to ship today so Steve can count those figures in tonight's sales call. In financial reports, if you haven't shipped the product, you don't get to count the revenue.

[Tremaine]

I'm sure the Apple Retail Stores will be getting them first as always. Hopefully they'll have them in store and setup on display there by this weekend so we can finally see them in person.

Considering mine is sitting in my office right now after shipping yesterday, I assume Apple Stores received them overnight.

[QCassidy352]

ordered mine yesterday and it will be here by 4:30 tomorrow!! SO excited!

[Xenious]

Any 23"'s showing up as shipped? I ordered mine when it came out and it still says on or before July 26.

Anyone who got one, lets see some real world pix please and some reviews :)

[ImAlwaysRight]

It still amazes me they consider these the "lower end" ahahahaahaha! THEYRE 20 AND 23 INCHES!
Yeah, but the "lower end" also starts at $1299. Don't think you'll find too many SWITCHERS at that price. I'll stick with my Dell 19" LCD with DVI input I picked up for under $400.

[cube]

The contrast ratio of the new displays is only 400:1

[Chaszmyr]

I wonder if the new iMac's will be headless or if they will use the same LCD's as these displays.

I doubt they will use these same displays.

[Gasu E.]

Good news: they beat the projected ship date for my 20" by 15 days (from July 27 to July 12) :)

Bad news: they moved the ship date for my dual 1.8 G5 out 15 days (from July 8 to July 23) :eek:

I suppose I gained a net 4 days in the transaction...
:o

[Karlchen]

Just one little question...

I got an 15' Aluminium Powerbook 1Ghz with an ATI 64MG card...
will I have any problems driving a 23inch Apple display on the DVI-connection ?

Any help would be greatly appriciated...

[rogo]

None of these products have any effect on tomorrow's conference call.

The quarter ended June 30.

These products shipping today allows the first revenues to be recognized today.

[thedogcow]

Yeah, but the "lower end" also starts at $1299. Don't think you'll find too many SWITCHERS at that price. I'll stick with my Dell 19" LCD with DVI input I picked up for under $400.

You can stick to your Dell piece of **** for under $400. I'll stick with my high quality made display.

Please. Don't switch to the Mac. We don't want you here.

[wPod]

cool i want to check them out at the mac store. still too much money for me to pay (poor college student) but man those would look incredible next to my 12" pb . . .heh

[johnnowak]

You can stick to your Dell piece of **** for under $400. I'll stick with my high quality made display.

Please. Don't switch to the Mac. We don't want you here.

With that attitude, I don't want you here either.

[itsa]

took 2 weeks. Sounds good to me. If they can keep that up for all products from now on, iMac announced August 30, shipping 2 weeks later. Giving schools enough time to possibly get them in if they wanted them. As soon as I have some money, I'm getting a 20 incher.

Still not shipping them 2.5's.... and getting pushed back more and more eveyday!

[webplummer]

None of these products have any effect on tomorrow's conference call.

The quarter ended June 30.

These products shipping today allows the first revenues to be recognized today.

Ah. Thanks for clearing that up.

[bar italia]

You can stick to your Dell piece of **** for under $400. I'll stick with my high quality made display.

Please. Don't switch to the Mac. We don't want you here.
What the hell is wrong with you?

You're certainly not speaking for me when you write "We don't want you here".

Creepy Mac fanatics like you make me want to buy a PC.

[rendezvouscp]

You can stick to your Dell piece of **** for under $400. I'll stick with my high quality made display.

Please. Don't switch to the Mac. We don't want you here.

Dude, who's we? Do you have Mr. Hankie in your pocket?
–Chase

[rendezvouscp]

Just one little question...

I got an 15' Aluminium Powerbook 1Ghz with an ATI 64MG card...
will I have any problems driving a 23inch Apple display on the DVI-connection ?

Any help would be greatly appriciated...

Your PB is well equiped to run the 23" display. Don't worry about it.
–Chase

[rendezvouscp]

Still not shipping them 2.5's.... and getting pushed back more and more eveyday!

How much have the 2.5's been pushed back already? I'm assuming you have one on order. I would think that they would start showing up now, since a few have slipped out.
–Chase

[itsa]

How much have the 2.5's been pushed back already? I'm assuming you have one on order. I would think that they would start showing up now, since a few have slipped out.
–Chase

started off the 12th then the 15th then the 17th then the 27th and now
Today it was pushed back to early next month.
The apple store is still just saying July but everyone else is saying apple will ship them on the 27th.

[Lancetx]

Creepy Mac fanatics like you make me want to buy a PC.

Ah c'mon now. There are plenty of creeps and zealots out there on both sides of the Mac and PC debate. I'm certainly not going to let any of them dictate what computer I use and neither should you, just ignore them. I don't care what anybody says or thinks, or whether they're a creep or not anyway, I'm never going back to a PC. :D

[JGowan]

I'm got a dilemma (albeit a nice dilemma):

I can't decide between getting two 23" displays or one 30" display. Right now, I'm working with a 23" and a 21" CRT (so I like having the separate work areas), but DAMN, the 30" is just so big and juicy...

Your thoughts?

[Ge4-ce]

I'm got a dilemma (albeit a nice dilemma):

I can't decide between getting two 23" displays or one 30" display. Right now, I'm working with a 23" and a 21" CRT (so I like having the separate work areas), but DAMN, the 30" is just so big and juicy...

Your thoughts?

If that's a dilemma, considering the high list of TOP apple equipement you have, I would suggest you take the 2 x 23" displays and just buy the 30" as a modern painting on the wall. Or you can buy 2 x 30" !! You probably can afford it.. ;) (no offence dud just makes me laugh, that you call that a dilemma while about 99.9% of the people in this world cannot afford even 1 23" display)

[MacG]

I'm got a dilemma (albeit a nice dilemma):

I can't decide between getting two 23" displays or one 30" display. Right now, I'm working with a 23" and a 21" CRT (so I like having the separate work areas), but DAMN, the 30" is just so big and juicy...

Your thoughts?

Dude, get the 30! Serious bragging rights. But you better have a huge desk! :D
And if you like dual setup, keep the 23 and run that as second display :eek:

[rendezvouscp]

I'm got a dilemma (albeit a nice dilemma):

I can't decide between getting two 23" displays or one 30" display. Right now, I'm working with a 23" and a 21" CRT (so I like having the separate work areas), but DAMN, the 30" is just so big and juicy...

Your thoughts?

Try two 23". If you can get the 30" now, and think at one point you'll want to get another in addition to the 30" (and have the space for it), then get the 30".
–Chase

[Soire]

I'm got a dilemma (albeit a nice dilemma):

I can't decide between getting two 23" displays or one 30" display. Right now, I'm working with a 23" and a 21" CRT (so I like having the separate work areas), but DAMN, the 30" is just so big and juicy...

Your thoughts?


With a setup like that, I wonder why you don't just get a 30" to go with the 23", or sell the CRT and buy the 30". It is nice to have the work area, but if you're getting the nVidia card anyways, then you might as well put it to work on one of your other monitors as well. Or had you not decided to buy the card and 30" combo?

[MacsRgr8]

We got a new 20" at work today! :eek: WOW!! That was fast!
We were lucky: We had ordered the "old" 20" (ADC) monitor a couple of weeks ago, but we had gotten confirmation that the order was changed to the new 20", which we had received this afternoon!
We had connected the "old" and "new" 20" to a G4 1.25 Ghz w/ Radeon 9000 Pro (OEM), to see the differences.
The new one is brighter (the old one is about 3 months old), and has per default a more "yellower", or "warmer" colour, if you know what I mean.

Love the design! Looks alot smaller due to the much finer edges..... what a beauty!

[sworthy]

can you post a picture?

[BigEvan23]

UGGH! I just ordered a 23 inch Cinema HD display to compliment my new 1.5ghz G4 15 inch powerbook and the ship date is August 10th. Same for the airport express I ordered. What gives? Does anyone else have this date for shipping. Some guy said he ordered yesterday and it shipped today!










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Sawtooth G4 1.5ghz/1gb/120HD/Rad9800/DVD-107D
Powerbook G4 1.5ghz/1gb/80HD@5400/Rad9700128/Combo
23 Cinema HD On order, AirTunes on order
Contemplating Dual G5...maybe rev c?

[MacG]

We got a new 20" at work today! :eek: WOW!! That was fast!
We were lucky: We had ordered the "old" 20" (ADC) monitor a couple of weeks ago, but we had gotten confirmation that the order was changed to the new 20", which we had received this afternoon!
We had connected the "old" and "new" 20" to a G4 1.25 Ghz w/ Radeon 9000 Pro (OEM), to see the differences.
The new one is brighter (the old one is about 3 months old), and has per default a more "yellower", or "warmer" colour, if you know what I mean.

Love the design! Looks alot smaller due to the much finer edges..... what a beauty!

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/images/smilies/xscuseless.gif

[MacsRgr8]

can you post a picture?

I'll make one tomorrow at work (it's evening now over here..) :)

[brykken]

Question:

I got the "older" 23' Cinema Display at the same time I bought my 2.5G5. It's been sitting in the box for over a month just waiting for the mac to attach it to. Considering the new displays are shipping, do you think I should attempt to return this monitor for the new one? I'm sure we'd be able to work something out. It's still in the box, and a ton of people's orders were switched anyway. What do you guys think?

-Brian

[MacsRgr8]

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/images/smilies/xscuseless.gif

OK! :D OK! :D OK! :D

Tomorrow! I'm sorry.... I had no camera with me at work today! :p

[jettredmont]

I'm got a dilemma (albeit a nice dilemma):

I can't decide between getting two 23" displays or one 30" display. Right now, I'm working with a 23" and a 21" CRT (so I like having the separate work areas), but DAMN, the 30" is just so big and juicy...

Your thoughts?

Get the 30".

Then ship me the 23" display ... :)

Really, though, I think having two 23" displays would work better for me than one 30" display, but really only because I like the dual-display separation and have the desk space for it. Plus, two 23" displays doesn't necessitate a new (and currently proprietary) video card like a single 30" does ...

[Karlchen]

Your PB is well equiped to run the 23" display. Don't worry about it.
–Chase

Will the Powerbook be able to run both the internal and the external display on full res ?
Or will the 64mb card get problems with that ?

Thanx....
:-)

[MacsRgr8]

How badly do you guys want a pic......

I could drive to work tonight, just for the pics.
Let me know....

[rendezvouscp]

Question:

I got the "older" 23' Cinema Display at the same time I bought my 2.5G5. It's been sitting in the box for over a month just waiting for the mac to attach it to. Considering the new displays are shipping, do you think I should attempt to return this monitor for the new one? I'm sure we'd be able to work something out. It's still in the box, and a ton of people's orders were switched anyway. What do you guys think?

-Brian

You can always just open the box, harm it in some sort of way (ie, electric zapper), and return it D.O.A. But that would be cheating and lying (unless it really came D.O.A...). I don't think you have a chance. Sorry, but next time have the display and computer ship together.
–Chase

[jimsowden]

Still not shipping them 2.5's.... and getting pushed back more and more eveyday!
Yeah, that would be wrong, since i'm looking at 2 2.5GHzs right now. (http://homepage.mac.com/jim.sowden/g5.html)

[JGowan]

If that's a dilemma, considering the high list of TOP apple equipement you have, I would suggest you take the 2 x 23" displays and just buy the 30" as a modern painting on the wall. Or you can buy 2 x 30" !! You probably can afford it.. ;) (no offence dud just makes me laugh, that you call that a dilemma while about 99.9% of the people in this world cannot afford even 1 23" display)Here's the deal. I bought the 23" at a CompUSA and purchased the Technology Assurance Program plan with it ($109) -- it covered malfunctions AND if new technology came out. Then they would give face value and all you do is pay the difference. I did it with the 22" just after the 23" HD came down to $1,999 (from $3,499). They did an even swap for free -- after a year and a half.

They've since changed their policy and only take broken equipment, but since I bought the TAP before policy-change, they agreed to do it once more. I can either get another new-styled 23" OR get a 30" and pay the $1299 difference.

[Ge4-ce]

How badly do you guys want a pic......

I could drive to work tonight, just for the pics.
Let me know....

I don't think you should have said that :D

For me.. personally, you won't have to drive to work only for the pictures.. but the guy with the 10 smiley's holding those banners... I think he might want you to be allready at your work :D

Besides..That were some cool smileys

[MacsRgr8]

I don't think you should have said that :D

For me.. personally, you won't have to drive to work only for the pictures.. but the guy with the 10 smiley's holding those banners... I think he might want you to be allready at your work :D


Yeah.. I know, but....

You know, I feel pretty bad not being able to post some pictures for another 12 hours orso....

So, < LOL! >... I'm going to work!

Have the pics in about half an hour! :D

(damn... what am I doing? ;) )

[trilogic]

Yeah.. I know, but....

You know, I feel pretty bad not being able to post some pictures for another 12 hours orso....

So, < LOL! >... I'm going to work!

Have the pics in about half an hour! :D

(damn... what am I doing? ;) )

well ... I should go to sleep. but I'm going to wait for those pictures. of course.

[sfwalter]

UGGH! I just ordered a 23 inch Cinema HD display to compliment my new 1.5ghz G4 15 inch powerbook and the ship date is August 10th. Same for the airport express I ordered. What gives? Does anyone else have this date for shipping. Some guy said he ordered yesterday and it shipped today!

You will probably get yours in the next day or two. THe date is just a forecast. If you notice that when you placed the monitor in your shopping basket it still says 2-4 weeks. I ordered mine this morining with a date of 8/12. However I am expecting it by Friday with next day shipping.










-------------
Sawtooth G4 1.5ghz/1gb/120HD/Rad9800/DVD-107D
Powerbook G4 1.5ghz/1gb/80HD@5400/Rad9700128/Combo
23 Cinema HD On order, AirTunes on order
Contemplating Dual G5...maybe rev c?

[sworthy]

Yeah.. I know, but....

You know, I feel pretty bad not being able to post some pictures for another 12 hours orso....

So, < LOL! >... I'm going to work!

Have the pics in about half an hour! :D

(damn... what am I doing? ;) )


You rock! Thanks for going the extra mile (litterally)!

[Xenious]

I'm got a dilemma (albeit a nice dilemma):

I can't decide between getting two 23" displays or one 30" display. Right now, I'm working with a 23" and a 21" CRT (so I like having the separate work areas), but DAMN, the 30" is just so big and juicy...

Your thoughts?

As long as you don't have to share the monitor with another system as well I'd say get the 30. Just remember that you would need one of the new $$ 6800's to go with each machine you wanted to use the 30" with.
-jim

[trilogic]

Here's the deal. ...... I can either get another new-styled 23" OR get a 30" and pay the $1299 difference.

I believe that the 30" will be just amazing. So I would go for one 30" instead of two 23". Does anybody need more space than 2560 x 1600 resolution? shure you can open more windows and stuff. But are two times 1920 by 1200 manageable and ergonomically? one might loose the mousepointer :rolleyes:

I work with two 17" CRT and hate the edge between the two screens. I bought one of the first series dual G5 and am waiting for a new 23" cinema displays to match the look of the G5 ... BUT ... now the announced the 30". My dilemma is to squeze some more $$ through my budget. :confused:

[Soire]

Yeah, that would be wrong, since i'm looking at 2 2.5GHzs right now. (http://homepage.mac.com/jim.sowden/g5.html)



AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


How did you get that??!!??

Who did you kill, or sleep with to get yours?? Details would be extremely helpful/useful/nice.

Thanks for the info dude, and nice house. :)

[JCT]

Yeah, that would be wrong, since i'm looking at 2 2.5GHzs right now. (http://homepage.mac.com/jim.sowden/g5.html)


Alright Jim,

Now that you've tossed out that "gauntlet" , would you mind following up with some impressions for those that are anxiously awaiting our own?

BTW, for the other folks who are wondering about Dual 2.5 G5 deliveries, my husband has his name on a waiting list at a local Apple Store (he's #3!) and they told him today they are expecting them some time next week.

We'll see.

JT

[chasingapple]

Where are those pictures? Did he get to work?

[MacsRgr8]

You rock! Thanks for going the extra mile (litterally)!

You're welcome

Here's a start:

[The Red Wolf]

I'm got a dilemma (albeit a nice dilemma):

I can't decide between getting two 23" displays or one 30" display. Right now, I'm working with a 23" and a 21" CRT (so I like having the separate work areas), but DAMN, the 30" is just so big and juicy...

Your thoughts?

30" Display requires the 6800 Broad. Takes up an additional PCI or PCI-X slot next to the AGP slot when installed because it's huge. You have to take that into consideration. Also you can keep the 23" break down the ADC with an adapter to DVI ($99 odd) and have both connected. The 6800 has more than enough power to drive both displays. Now that would be cool... Last question... Money. Don't rob banks it's illegal and you need to have a BMW with an iPod built in for good music and fast song switching while driving white knuckled on the get away. That and well you have to rob your first bank to get the BMW. Then the second bank for the iPod retrofit... The dilemma goes on and on... And on...

[Tremaine]

Here's a pic of the shipping box. For whatever reason people on another thread wanted to see that as well. I can post some more tonight when I get it home. Any requests :p

http://files.blog-city.com/files/aa/16270/p/f/Picture001.jpg

[MacsRgr8]

Another:

[bathysphere]

30" Display requires the 6800 Broad. Takes up an additional PCI or PCI-X slot next to the AGP slot when installed because it's huge. You have to take that into consideration. Also you can keep the 23" break down the ADC with an adapter to DVI ($99 odd) and have both connected. The 6800 has more than enough power to drive both displays. Now that would be cool... Last question... Money. Don't rob banks it's illegal and you need to have a BMW with an iPod built in for good music and fast song switching while driving white knuckled on the get away. That and well you have to rob your first bank to get the BMW. Then the second bank for the iPod retrofit... The dilemma goes on and on... And on...

it would probably go on and on less if you would have read his previous posts explaining how he plans on buying the new monitor.

[MacsRgr8]

Difference in brightness

[MacsRgr8]

Through the back

[chasingapple]

Maybe I am just sentimental but I like the older displays better. Never was a huge fan of the aluminum look, thats why I went for the iMac 17" instead of a low end PowerMac with display.

[MacsRgr8]

The Backs

[JCT]

Oh my, it's an absolute beaut.

Thanks so much for posting the pics!

Sigh, now I want one. :mad:

JT

[azdude]

Question:

I got the "older" 23' Cinema Display at the same time I bought my 2.5G5. It's been sitting in the box for over a month just waiting for the mac to attach it to. Considering the new displays are shipping, do you think I should attempt to return this monitor for the new one? I'm sure we'd be able to work something out. It's still in the box, and a ton of people's orders were switched anyway. What do you guys think?

-Brian

Then your solution is simple:

Get the 30".

Connect a 30" and your "old" 23" at the same time.

Best of both worlds... for a cost you were already considering.

[jimsowden]

Well, its pretty simple. We ordered them through Ingram Micro (an apple distributer) and they showed up out of the blue about 2 weeks ago. The pictures are taken from the store I work at, where we have 2 in stock, ready to be sold. If you walk in, (MacOutfitters) (http://www.macoutfitters.com/) You could walk out with one today!

[chasingapple]

I still think Apple should bring out a 17" widescreen CD like the iMac has, it would be the best seller of the lot. I do appreciate you driving to work to show it off mate! Cheers!

[MacsRgr8]

Overview

[Photorun]

Through the back

SWEET!!! Thanks MacsRgr8!!! Totally dumb question but just making sure... that's the 23 incher, right?

[MacsRgr8]

The "Feet"

[MacsRgr8]

SWEET!!! Thanks MacsRgr8!!! Totally dumb question but just making sure... that's the 23 incher, right?

Nope, both the 20 inchers.
They both look so good! :)

[MacsRgr8]

The edges

[tech4all]

The Backs

How sturdy are the new displays? Is that base heave duty? Cause on the "older" displays there were three "feet", now there is only one....

[MacsRgr8]

Oh well.

I think I will quit now. It's almost 11 pm here, and I wanna go home :)

Sorry if the pics are not of real pro-quality, I only have an old cheap camera, and the lighting in the room wasn't all that gr8. (Besides that, I have no talent :p )

Still, was a lot of fun. Hope you guys enjoyed the pics.

[chasingapple]

Oh well.

I think I will quit now. It's almost 11 pm here, and I wanna go home :)

Sorry if the pics are not of real pro-quality, I only have an old cheap camera, and the lighting in the room wasn't all that gr8. (Besides that, I have no talent :p )

Still, was a lot of fun. Hope you guys enjoyed the pics.

Thanks for the trip and pics mate! Cheers

[MacsRgr8]

How sturdy are the new displays? Is that base heave duty? Cause on the "older" displays there were three "feet", now there is only one....

The base is heavy duty, and the display is very sturdy!
It doesn't move from side to side, it really feels rock solid!

I wonder how the 23" and the 30" will be.

[afields]

Thanks for the pics, man.

[The Red Wolf]

it would probably go on and on less if you would have read his previous posts explaining how he plans on buying the new monitor.

I did read the previous post, which is why I wrote mine. Buying a 30" requires other costs. The price difference between it and a 23", the required 6800 board. The fact a PCI or PCI-X port gets blocked from use (Bad if you're working with Pro-Tools), and a possible adapter card to connect the ADC output of the old flat panel to convert it to a DVI to work with the new 6800 board. Costs are real. I was joking regarding all of those costs, hence bank robbing. As for people who can't afford a giant monster display, the general information about what is needed let's people who want to save up know what they need to save for. Humor of bank robbing being a nice touch or not. I thought it was funny.

[macmunch]

Hey you missed something these incredible displays have 16ms response time !!!!!!

Find on LCD with 30, 23, or 20 inch with that response time !!!!!
Thats the biggest gamer Monitors in the World

[sworthy]

Check out some more pictures (MacNN thread linked)

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=2078933#post2078933

[trilogic]

Oh well.

I think I will quit now. It's almost 11 pm here, and I wanna go home :)

Sorry if the pics are not of real pro-quality, I only have an old cheap camera, and the lighting in the room wasn't all that gr8. (Besides that, I have no talent :p )

Still, was a lot of fun. Hope you guys enjoyed the pics.

Respect, man. Thanx for sharing those pictures. Now I can go to sleep and dream of a 30" ;)

[MacsRgr8]

Respect, man. Thanx for sharing those pictures. Now I can go to sleep and dream of a 30" ;)

Sweet dreams ;)

[PRØBE]

How do these babies compare for brightness with the last gen' screens?

[MacsRgr8]

How do these babies compare for brightness with the last gen' screens?

A bit brighter, and they are "warmer" to look at (more yellow-ish)... Very nice!

[the future]

Great pics, man! macrumors should have some kinda badge for "poster of the day/week/month"! Now excuse me while I get rid of all the drool... :p

P.S. I think the back of the new displays looks almost better than the front!

[AppleJustWorks]

[AppleJustWorks]

VERY NICE DISPLAYS!

My only question is : If I connect things to the ports on the back of the displays will I see the wires when I am looking at the front?
:confused:

[virividox]

apple sure has been busy today!!!

[Dr. Dastardly]

Again, mad props go out to Macrgr8 for his posts with pics. And nice input with "warm" discription. Very interesting.

[ITMediaCo]

It's nice how Apple made the new LCDs line up perfectly against the previous generation.

[iDave]

Thanks, MacsRgr8! You're my hero. Very nice of you to make the trip for the pics.

[iriejedi]

Min is Aug 11th - and to top that off I leave for vvacation on the 10th for two weeks! Might as well be Aug 23rd! :mad:

:D Well - I can only hope both the 23in and the dual 2.5 ships early.... but when I look at the card (6800), the screen and the CPU - and then I look at my b/w g3 (G4 550 now) - I know the wait will be worth it!



UGGH! I just ordered a 23 inch Cinema HD display to compliment my new 1.5ghz G4 15 inch powerbook and the ship date is August 10th. Same for the airport express I ordered. What gives? Does anyone else have this date for shipping. Some guy said he ordered yesterday and it shipped today!








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Sawtooth G4 1.5ghz/1gb/120HD/Rad9800/DVD-107D
Powerbook G4 1.5ghz/1gb/80HD@5400/Rad9700128/Combo
23 Cinema HD On order, AirTunes on order
Contemplating Dual G5...maybe rev c?

[klaus]

thx macsrgr8, now my patience is being tested even harder :)

At least it's nice to know the 'benelux' countries don't lag behind in shipping times. Hopefully my 23" (ordered on july 3rd through official reseller) will be here soon.. ah well, i'll have to hook it up to my pc for a while, since the 2.5 won't be here for some time. Anybody knows how they deal with orders placed through apple store and official resellers? I bet online customers are treated before others, or is this not true?

[Diatribe]

Yep, we should definitly give him some merit for driving all the way to work. Thanks a lot. It is just too bad that I am travelling too much to fully be able to use an external monitor... oh well once I settle down :D

[MacsRgr8]

Tnx for your kind replies!

It wasn't too much of a trouble and it was fun.

Regarding Apple Online Store vs. Resellers... I dunno. This 20" was via the Apple Online Store, and I know there are many differences in resellers too.

I hope klaus' Dual 2.5 arrives quickly! The have started shipping... (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79590)

[stuBCN75]

Your PB is well equiped to run the 23" display. Don't worry about it.
–Chase

What about a G4 Ti Laptop ? I doubt it will be able to drive the 23" :(

I have a Dual 2.5 Ghz and 23" display on order ( well, putting the order in today. If my bank has transferred some money for me like I asked them too. Knowing my bank, probably not !! )

I cant wait to get my new Mac and display. I think my Display may arrive before the Mac, which is why I was asking of I could use it with my laptop. Otherwise I hill have to just stare at it's blank screen until the Dual 2.5 gets here :rolleyes:

All in all, i am a very happy bunny :) These new macs and displays are very tasty. Looking forward to putting them through their paces.

[klaus]

Tnx for your kind replies!

It wasn't too much of a trouble and it was fun.

Regarding Apple Online Store vs. Resellers... I dunno. This 20" was via the Apple Online Store, and I know there are many differences in resellers too.

I hope klaus' Dual 2.5 arrives quickly! The have started shipping... (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79590)

thx! but I don't know about that shipping thing though, laks confirmation from people who actually got confirmation, maybe in the next few days.

About that reseller thing, sure, there are differences, the 'smaller' ones will have to wait longer, but I ordered at the only official apple center for belgium, so I'm hoping they are high up in the resellers list :)

enjoy your new display!

[titaniumducky]

Just one little question...

I got an 15' Aluminium Powerbook 1Ghz with an ATI 64MG card...
will I have any problems driving a 23inch Apple display on the DVI-connection ?

Any help would be greatly appriciated...

No.

[MacsRgr8]

enjoy your new display!

Wish it were mine.....

It is one of my colleague's. :(
(He doesn't even know I had made those pics ;) )

[titaniumducky]

What about a G4 Ti Laptop ? I doubt it will be able to drive the 23" :(

....

A G4 Ti will be fine; it doesn't take much power to drive most normal displays....

[marmotte]

Just one little question...

I got an 15' Aluminium Powerbook 1Ghz with an ATI 64MG card...
will I have any problems driving a 23inch Apple display on the DVI-connection ?

Any help would be greatly appriciated...

You need the special Video card to drive the 30" display. It won't work with a Powerbook. You will be limited (!) to the 23" display... But that display should work just fine, even with the 64MB vido card.

[Ge4-ce]

Wish it were mine.....

It is one of my colleague's. :(
(He doesn't even know I had made those pics ;) )


OH OH... He'll probably thinks: WHAT THE HELL IS MY DESK DOING ALL OVER THE INTERNET????!!! I should have cleaned it.. and people will start talking about it.. and he will start a witchhunt to look for the photographer.. and guess who that would be.. BE AFRAID.. be very AFRAID :D

[Captnroger]

Me wants. How's the performance gaming? (FPS). I would imagine at 16ms it'd be sporty!

[sfwalter]

Min is Aug 11th - and to top that off I leave for vvacation on the 10th for two weeks! Might as well be Aug 23rd! :mad:

:D Well - I can only hope both the 23in and the dual 2.5 ships early.... but when I look at the card (6800), the screen and the CPU - and then I look at my b/w g3 (G4 550 now) - I know the wait will be worth it!

I wouldn't sweat it. In my opionion, Apple just hasn't updated their shipping times, which still says 2-4 weeks. If you count the number of business days, August 10th is probably 4 weeks. I too have an August 10th ship date, but I am expecting it will be shipped out this week, unless of course Apple is out of stock already.

[iDave]

What about a G4 Ti Laptop ? I doubt it will be able to drive the 23" :(

According to the tech specs, any G4 PowerBook with DVI out and 10.2.8 or later will work for the 20s or 23s.

[BigEvan23]

Has anybody taken shipment of the 23 inch, so far all I have seen are the 20's. BTW has anyone else noticed how massive the 20's look in real-life pictures vs. the apple web site where its in the shadow of the 30? I thought that that 23 would be just the right size but after seeing the 20 in the flesh (or at least pictures)...I might need a bigger desk for my deuce-trey! :D

Evan

[Ge4-ce]

Ok, The 30" is awesome, but too expensive for me.. I ordered the 23" wich indeed I thought was BIG and I mean HUGE when I saw that in reallife. (the previous version) so I'll be satisfied like hell when I get it!

Imagine I used to think a 21 inch CRT display was HUGE, I owned one of those 21" CRT apple studio displays. Everyone thought it was big. Wait until they see the this 23" display..

it'll be awesome!

BTW, I have a question about the G5's memory. I ordered 2 times a 1 GB kit from Kingston to fill up the empty slots and so I would have 2.5 GB of RAM. Now I thought a "kit" would exist out of 2 times 512, so together it would give 1 GB. Now since the memory has allready arrived, it seems that each kit exists out of 2 times 1 gig!!! ???? How do those dual slots actually work? Is it that you have to add 2 times 1 GB left and right and the system will recognize it as 1 GB? Or does it really all counts up? Because then I would have 4.5 GB RAM in this coming machine!!!! That would be awesome!

[MrSugar]

Ok, The 30" is awesome, but too expensive for me.. I ordered the 23" wich indeed I thought was BIG and I mean HUGE when I saw that in reallife. (the previous version) so I'll be satisfied like hell when I get it!

Imagine I used to think a 21 inch CRT display was HUGE, I owned one of those 21" CRT apple studio displays. Everyone thought it was big. Wait until they see the this 23" display..

it'll be awesome!

BTW, I have a question about the G5's memory. I ordered 2 times a 1 GB kit from Kingston to fill up the empty slots and so I would have 2.5 GB of RAM. Now I thought a "kit" would exist out of 2 times 512, so together it would give 1 GB. Now since the memory has allready arrived, it seems that each kit exists out of 2 times 1 gig!!! ???? How do those dual slots actually work? Is it that you have to add 2 times 1 GB left and right and the system will recognize it as 1 GB? Or does it really all counts up? Because then I would have 4.5 GB RAM in this coming machine!!!! That would be awesome!

Each slot for memory on the MB will be counted into the total. It does not count them in pairs. Hence 1 gig chips in 2 slots doesn't not equal 1 gig total, it equals 2.

To explain, I have 4 512 chips, 2 pairs of 2. This means my total is 2gigs of ram 512 *4. So if you have 4 gig chips and 2 256 meg chips you will have 4.5 gigs of memory at your hands... which I must say is very very disgusting. In a nice way.

[chasingapple]

You have to have one of these in front of you to appreciate the size they really are. Right now Im typing this on my 17" Widescreen iMac, its a huge screen on this thing! Sometimes I feel as though the extra space is wasted on me cause I have to turn my eyes to the far right or far left to see the edges.

I can only imagine another 3" added for the 20", 6" more for the 23", and (gasp) 13" added for the 30" monster! That 30" has to be massive! I dont even think the table I have my iMac sitting on it 30" across!! LOL. Time for me to head to an apple store to check out all this new stuff. Im so happy with my iMac, has not let me down once since I switched in Feb of this year :)

[Euthyphro]

Has anyone found a clean looking monitor arm that would work well for these monitors and yet complement their style?

I was hoping for an arm similar to that on the iMacs....

The Visadec seems pretty close (the aluminum version), but does not have all the range of pivots: http://www.lcdmonitorarm.com/lcd_arm_11.htm

The ULTRA 90 also looks pretty good: http://www.flat-panel-mount.com/flat_panel_arm_mount/flat_panel_mount_s.htm

[sfwalter]

It's kind of funny. You contact the Apple retail stores or even the mail order houses (i.e. macmall) they don't even know that they're shipping. After I tell them that the monitors are shipping they still stand firm with their "end of the month" spiel.

[blackcrayon]

FWIW,

I called the Short hills apple store (north new jersey) the other day and the guy on the phone said "the next few days"... So at least he was acknowledging them coming soon.

I'll probably call again this weekend and see if they're in stock.

[Sabbath]

Wow these displays really look nice, thanks to MacsRgr8 for the pics. I hate the front on angle that Apple show 90% of the time, but at any other angle they look amazing. I will have to stop myself attempting to upgrade from my old 20" to the new 23". There is no way I can afford it anyway :rolleyes:

[Captnroger]

Apple store in Columbus, OH took delivery of the 23" today, available for sale. No 20" yet :(

[BigEvan23]

Im picking mine up at 8:30pm tonight...location is TOP SECRET. Anyone wanna host pics for me? Ill take a whole bunch. 23 incher on the way baby, Its gonna look ridiculous in comparison to the 15 inch display I have now :D

The fox is in the henhouse, you know what to do!

Evan

[iDave]

Im picking mine up at 8:30pm tonight...location is TOP SECRET. Anyone wanna host pics for me? Ill take a whole bunch.
Sure, I'll host 'em for you. Send me an email.

[furrina]

Maybe I am just sentimental but I like the older displays better. Never was a huge fan of the aluminum look, thats why I went for the iMac 17" instead of a low end PowerMac with display.

me too! Those "old" displays are so beautiful, I just stare and stare. I finally got to the point where I was able to by myself one, and they come out with new ones. I think the aluminum ones look kinda "PCish" and more like all the other lcd monitors/flat panel TVs out there. I'm getting one of the new 20" ones anyway -- the price of the old one hasn't dropped enough or else I would get one of those. It's only about $100 cheaper which is the same price as the new one with my edu discount. Sigh.

[wdlove]

They had one of the new Cinema Display monitors only on Tuesday. So sadly it was gone when I visited on Wednesday and Thursday. The Apple guy said that they had specific instructions, only available for the one day.

When I visited my local Apple Store last evening, they didn't have any of the new displays. They said that they expect some by the first of August.

[the_mole1314]

The new cinemadisplays are in at my local apple store. They are be-u-ti-ful!

[BigEvan23]

I am sitting here in front of the beautiful glow of a 23 inch Cinema HD display...and its pixel perfect in every way. Sooooooo sexy! Its really just uber-sleek.

[iDave]

I can't wait to see pics. I'll host them if you like.

[master shake]

Hey all, i just wanted to let you know that they have the 23" displays at the Short Pump Apple Store, Richmond, VA. And let me tell you, they are AMAZING! It used to be the case that the 20" looked far better, and I had decided that I would buy one as soon as they updated the line. But now, the 23" makes the 20" look like crap (well not crap, but a little to dark anyway). I was completely blown away! Also, i can confirm the "yellower" color of the new panels - which is great because the cause of that yellow cast is actually the native white point of the displays - now 6500k, perfect for digital photography and color-intensive tasks! Luckily for me, my 17" Mitsubishi CRT is crapping out on me, so I am in the market for a new display. Now if I can only find $1800 (edu discount).

[BigEvan23]

I have sent my pictures to iDave. He will be posting them whenever he gets around to it...it doesn't get much sweeter than this...ok maybe 7 inches sweeter :)

[iDave]

Oops, I thought BigEvan23 was going to post them. Don't want to keep the people waiting. Here are a couple of teasers.

http://rockymountainscenery.com/cinema/27.jpg

http://rockymountainscenery.com/cinema/19.jpg

[Rocketfella]

What is the thing in the bottom right hand corner? I'd assume it was the power-on light, but it doesn't look lit in any of the photos I've seen yet.

[iriejedi]

I have to wait until Auf 11th (so says Stevie J) for my "NOW SHIPPING" 23 inch! - it would really be sad to get the dual 2.5 with 6800 card (July 30th - says Stevie) and have NO monitor to use - last I heard that card was dual dual DVI - no VGA on that bad boy. My 17in LCD is not DVI and of course all of my extra CRTs are not either - maybe I can dug up an adapter.... sigh.

Patients is supposed to be the virtue of a jedi - guess I'm going to the Dark Side these days.... :mad: :eek: ;) :p

Irie Jedi!

Oops, I thought BigEvan23 was going to post them. Don't want to keep the people waiting. Here are a couple of teasers.

http://rockymountainscenery.com/cinema/27.jpg

http://rockymountainscenery.com/cinema/19.jpg

[PRØBE]

Don't the old Formac screens all have better specs than these new Apple ones? The new screens do look noticeably brighter than the old.
I have to agree with the guy that said the old Apple displays were a more attractive design. When they show up here I'll see if they pass the GF test. (Whether my girlfriend can pick one out from a distance when they are mixed up with all the PC products)

Off thread but just another quickie; In the US, can students/teachers buy ANY Apple product with education discount?

Thanks

[Windowlicker]

oh god! we received the first 20" display at work today! it looks so tiny compared to the EOL'd 20"er!! it's soooooo nice.

can't wait till we get one of those 30"s! it will be HUGE! hmm gonna try Medal of Honor with that one............ :D :eek:

[Klopsi69]

I know it's early, but can someone give an indication of the level of ghosting on the 20 and 23 inchers?

Keep the reports coming folks... :)

[Captnroger]

I know it's early, but can someone give an indication of the level of ghosting on the 20 and 23 inchers?

Keep the reports coming folks... :)

Yes, that's what I'd like to know. Someone please fire up a FPS and let us know, along with what video card you are using please!

[drewm]

Has anyone recieved a 23 from a reseller?

[drewm]

Just got a ship date of 7/23 from MacConnection. I can wait a week to save $100.

[the_mole1314]

Hey all, i just wanted to let you know that they have the 23" displays at the Short Pump Apple Store, Richmond, VA. And let me tell you, they are AMAZING! It used to be the case that the 20" looked far better, and I had decided that I would buy one as soon as they updated the line. But now, the 23" makes the 20" look like crap (well not crap, but a little to dark anyway). I was completely blown away! Also, i can confirm the "yellower" color of the new panels - which is great because the cause of that yellow cast is actually the native white point of the displays - now 6500k, perfect for digital photography and color-intensive tasks! Luckily for me, my 17" Mitsubishi CRT is crapping out on me, so I am in the market for a new display. Now if I can only find $1800 (edu discount).

When did you go? That post I made was FROM the Short Pump Apple Store! :p

Anyway, one cool feature is the side of the display has controlls like the iPod, they are touch sensative, and they look just like the iPod front, white and glossy.... :D

[BigEvan23]

Here are the rest of my pics! Thanks to iDave for hosting them.
Sorry about the quality, my Dimage X isn't what it used to be.

http://rockymountainscenery.com/cinema/17.jpg
http://rockymountainscenery.com/cinema/18.jpg
http://rockymountainscenery.com/cinema/19.jpg
http://rockymountainscenery.com/cinema/20.jpg
http://rockymountainscenery.com/cinema/21.jpg
http://rockymountainscenery.com/cinema/22.jpg
http://rockymountainscenery.com/cinema/27.jpg
http://rockymountainscenery.com/cinema/28.jpg
http://rockymountainscenery.com/cinema/29.jpg
http://rockymountainscenery.com/cinema/30.jpg

ENJOY!

[MrSugar]

Here are the rest of my pics! Thanks iDave for hosting them.
Sorry about the quality, my Dimage X isn't what it used to be.

.......

ENJOY!

AHHH I WANT ONE!

[Captnroger]

Geezz I want one. Anyone have any FPS comments?

Anyone get the 20" to work on a PC? I can't seem to find a card that supports native resolution.

[m.r.m.]

sorry, i haven't read the entire thread, but will a 12" powerbook even be able to run these monitors. will the geforce 5200go with 32mb/64mb have enough juice to get to the native resolutions of the 20" or 23" properly?

[the_mole1314]

sorry, i haven't read the entire thread, but will a 12" powerbook even be able to run these monitors. will the geforce 5200go with 32mb/64mb have enough juice to get to the native resolutions of the 20" or 23" properly?

If it has DVI it will run the new displays.

[MrSugar]

Monitors have arrived at Aspen Grove in Colorado. I am going after work to see them! They have 1 23" in stock, but nothing else.

But someone should post their expiriences with response time, how do things look? Is the 16ms apple claimed really true?

[master shake]

When did you go? That post I made was FROM the Short Pump Apple Store! :p

Anyway, one cool feature is the side of the display has controlls like the iPod, they are touch sensative, and they look just like the iPod front, white and glossy.... :D

i went on thursday in the afternoon (that would be july 15). I was talking to someone who worked there and they said that they had just gotten them in. I assume the previous day. But they have three of them there now, so if you get a chance, I highly recommend taking a gander. When I was there, they still didnt have any 20" though.

As for the ghosting, one of the displays was running X-Men on DVD, and I noticed that it looked very smooth, but if anyone knows a really good way to check the FPS more accurately, let me know - i will be back up there pretty soon. I would be interested in knowing the actual performance, because 14ms is what Apple says, but that sounds too good to be true.

nice pictures by the way.

[the_mole1314]

i went on thursday in the afternoon (that would be july 15). I was talking to someone who worked there and they said that they had just gotten them in. I assume the previous day. But they have three of them there now, so if you get a chance, I highly recommend taking a gander. When I was there, they still didnt have any 20" though.

As for the ghosting, one of the displays was running X-Men on DVD, and I noticed that it looked very smooth, but if anyone knows a really good way to check the FPS more accurately, let me know - i will be back up there pretty soon. I would be interested in knowing the actual performance, because 14ms is what Apple says, but that sounds too good to be true.

nice pictures by the way.

Cool, I went right before closing, and I rember seeing an X-Men DVD case ontop of the PM after the first white wall. Those are slick little puppies there.

[Rocketfella]

Can a new owner confirm that the thing in the right front lower corner is a power light? It doesn't look lit in photos.

The only thing that surprised me as compared to the WWDC photos is that I didn't realize the sides were white. In the WWDC photos the sides looked alu like the rest. It's like a tech ice cream sandwich effect. Yum.

Maybe this answers the white keyboard question...now the white keyboard is tied into the display design so it isn't going anywhere soon?

[the_mole1314]

Can a new owner confirm that the thing in the right front lower corner is a power light? It doesn't look lit in photos.

The only thing that surprised me as compared to the WWDC photos is that I didn't realize the sides were white. In the WWDC photos the sides looked alu like the rest. It's like a tech ice cream sandwich effect. Yum.

Maybe this answers the white keyboard question...now the white keyboard is tied into the display design so it isn't going anywhere soon?

The little white dot in the lower right hand corner is the sleep light, it fades bright to dim just like the previous models of the display. It only turns on when it's asleep, otherwise it's off.

[Rocketfella]

Cool.

...waiting for my 23" to ship... :rolleyes:

[Soire]

I'm here on the east coast, and my 20" was sent on tuesday or wednesday, when they were all shipped out. Now I've checked FedEx for the past couple of days and the damn thing just sayd "LEFT SACRAMENTO FACILITY" or something. That was two days ago. What's going on, is a donkey carrying this thing across the country?

It's scheduled for monday delivery, but at this rate I dunno when it will get here. Meanwhile, I had my iPod make it from Shanghai China to my doorstep in 23 hours... talk about a difference in service.

Of course this is all a moot point, as I HAVE NO 2.5 G5 TO HOOK IT UP TO!!

...breath in... breath out...

[wdlove]

Thank you iDave for hosting the Cinema Display pictures, a very nice gesture.

BigEvan23, your 23" display is a truly awesome sight to believe. It must all be beyond words. I can't wait to see one in person.

[BigEvan23]

Yah its pretty incredible. When I woke up this morning to turn on my machine and saw that beast on the table my eyes lit up and I couldn't help smiling :D Its like falling in love all over again...haha. It takes a while to get used to because there is just so much real in such a sleek form factor but I really couldn't be happier with it.

[supergod]

How long before Apple has an update to change the display icon in the top menu to go with the new displays?

[iDave]

How long before Apple has an update to change the display icon in the top menu to go with the new displays?
My guess would be with 10.3.5.

[Tremaine]

I hooked up my new 20" on Wednesday and I'm happy to report the same thrill as other new owners are reporting. It is just beautiful. Way better looking than the LCD on my 17" iMac. Its so bright, I had to turn it down to about 35% brightness. It was hurting my eyes even at 50%. I have tried to do a variety of tasks to really check out its performance and I can't find a flaw. I watched Pirates of the Caribbean on it and I didn't see any ghosting. I played Generals and Rainbow Six 3 and didn't see any problems with those either. The colors in the games seem even better than before too.

The default setting was 1.8 gamma but I prefer the gamma at 2.2. Monitors of this quality should include more advanced controls for more customized monitor calibration, however.

[Laslo Panaflex]

The default setting was 1.8 gamma but I prefer the gamma at 2.2. Monitors of this quality should include more advanced controls for more customized monitor calibration, however.

Did you check the advanced options in the Color Calibration panel? There are enough options in their to get the monitor calibrated just about any way you like (at least for me). That's how I set up my 23".

[Tremaine]

Did you check the advanced options in the Color Calibration panel? There are enough options in their to get the monitor calibrated just about any way you like (at least for me). That's how I set up my 23".

Thanks Laslo, I didn't even see that, the button is damn small... :rolleyes:

[machinehien]

They look pretty awesome, liked the touch sensitive ipod buttons on the side, the 20" and 23" looked equally sweet, you have to have them side by side to tell the difference

[Rocketfella]

Are there differences when you have them side by side...other than size?

[Rocketfella]

Hi guys,

Another question for those of you with the new 23".

Would you describe the top of it to be "very hot" after it's been on for a day? A couple people have written this online.

[weezer160]

Yay! Just ordered a 20" Aluminum Display! Hope it ships soon :p

[Xenious]

They look pretty awesome, liked the touch sensitive ipod buttons on the side, the 20" and 23" looked equally sweet, you have to have them side by side to tell the difference

Double sweet, my 23" just shipped today (due here tuesday) and you say the galleria has em? I'll have to cruise down tomorrow to get a sneak preview. Too bad my G5 is still not shipping. Dunno if I'll hook up the monitor to my pc in the mean time or let it sit and wait for the G5.

At least my Airport Express can tide me over. Mmmm all this apple goodness.
-jim

[iRic]

Well, I received my new dual 1.8 on Tuesday, but my new 23in display wasn't supposed to deliver until July 27. I figured since I'm a new switcher and wanted to maximize the awe factor, I would wait to set it up with the new display. (My old monitor is an old 17in and wouldn't do it justice.) I just got the notice that my display shipped today and will be here on Monday! :D

[iDave]

Well, I received my new dual 1.8 on Tuesday, but my new 23in display wasn't supposed to deliver until July 27. I figured since I'm a new switcher and wanted to maximize the awe factor, I would wait to set it up with the new display. (My old monitor is an old 17in and wouldn't do it justice.) I just got the notice that my display shipped today and will be here on Monday! :D
There's going to be an Awe Factor, alright! Congrats! Welcome to the Mac world, with a bang.

[Tremaine]

Hi guys,

Another question for those of you with the new 23".

Would you describe the top of it to be "very hot" after it's been on for a day? A couple people have written this online.

My 20" is very hot... oh you mean temperature. :D Actually the whole monitor gets pretty warm, but I wouldn't say "very hot". You are not going to burn yourself. I trust Apple's engineers built it so it won't blow up... Now the back of my dual G5 gets pretty hot.

[Yasuo]

I hooked up my 20" this morning, and not to my consternation, it looks and works great as expected.

However, I have one big complaint, which is, I cannot start my Power Mac G4 (1.25GHz Dual) by pressing the power button on the side of the monitor. The manual says I can setup how this button works in the Montor Preference panel, but I couldn't find any such options. :(

[blu911]

Did you check the advanced options in the Color Calibration panel? There are enough options in their to get the monitor calibrated just about any way you like (at least for me). That's how I set up my 23".



Hey Laslo I'm in slo too, do you have the new display? I orded my new 23" from the Mac store in slo and its not here yet.

[klaus]

Well, apple.be now also states the 20" en 23" are now shipping, it took them a while longer than us & uk. So I figured I could have it next week..

now, there's a special happening in the reseller's city, it's called "Gentse feesten", it's a kind of a 10 day during festival in that city, and lots of shops choose that period to close their store completely.. well, guess what, my apple reseller closes that week as well. So it'll be 10 more days until I can find out if my display arrived or not.. sigh



only good thing about it, is that the shipment dates of my display and dual 2.5 keep slipping closer together, so i won't have to go through the horror of using my 23" acd on my athlon xp 1900 for 3 weeks.. (imagine that, it would be rape ;) )

[wdlove]

They look pretty awesome, liked the touch sensitive ipod buttons on the side, the 20" and 23" looked equally sweet, you have to have them side by side to tell the difference

You had me all excited when I saw your title message, Galleria Apple Store. The reason being that our Cambridge Apple Store is at the Galleria. Then my hopes were dashed when I looked at your location. They aren't expecting one of the new displays till next month.

[MrSugar]

I was at the apple store and must say........... wow the displays look good.

However, anyone else that has seen the 23" does it look like it has a redish tint to you? I am sure you can configure it to be exactly how you want .. but I still am curious as to know what you guys think.

I was strongly considering the 20" but after seeing the 23" I just don't think I could say no!

[Bhennies]

my reseller is completely in the dark about when my display will be in. I can't wait any longer- but I have to keep telling myself I saved a couple hundred in tax by buying it out of state and having it shipped. Hurry up!!!

[djbahdow01]

My monitor is in Hartford CT. As i am home (in CT not) from school that is a really good thing. It is scheduled to arive tommorrow some time in the day can't wait. All i will need now is the Dual 2.5 to power it up. Can't wait the switch will be complete in a few weeks or less.

[sfwalter]

I picked up one (the only one) 20" at the Barton Creek Apple store in Austin, TX. They said more were due in this week.

Funny story. I knew what I wanted so I just went to the back counter and asked for the 20" display and the guy went in the back to see if they had any. While he was in the back another customer came up and asked another sales person for the 20", keep in mind they only have one in stock. As the second salesperson was about to go into the stock room my salesperson came out with the 20". The other guy was furious and demanded to see a manager.

The manager came and the other cusomer started to throw a tempertanrum saying that he was promised they had the 20" in stock. The other customer said if you don't sell me this monitor I will no longer buy another Apple product again! He was casuing quite a scene.

I was about to tell the managerr just sell it to him. But I thought about it, I was there first. So I told the manager I was here first I have cash in hand and want to buy it. After all I did drive an hour up from San Antonio.

In the end I got the 20" displays and it's a work of art. I kept getting looks from people as I paraded through the mall with my new cinema display in hand. Every once in a while I would look back to make sure there was no avengeful mac fan stalking me!

[Rocketfella]

Huh, what sort of looks were you getting?

It seems whenever I go to a mall people are always staring at each other. Can't stand it.

[daveg5]

Is this monitor the first 23" monitor equal or better than Apple's for $500 less?
http://www.macgamer.com/features/?id=1886

[daveg5]

[iDave]

Is this monitor the first 23" monitor equal or better than Apple's for $500 less?
http://www.macgamer.com/features/?id=1886
That's a nice monitor and I was considering it while waiting for Apple's Cinema upgrade. I think it's more like $1700. Where did you see $1499?

[daveg5]

That's a nice monitor and I was considering it while waiting for Apple's Cinema upgrade. I think it's more like $1700. Where did you see $1499?
It's $1599 on HP site, that's with a 3 year warranty i heard it can be had for $1499 if you look around, it does not have firewire, but has 4 USB ports, PIP,Svideo component video, VGa and I think 2 DVI's, 3 year warranty, exact same specs as Apple, plus Height Adjustment, It looks like the best 23" value out, I could hook up the Xbox, cable Dvd, HDTV and everything to it, straight from the factory. I dont understand why it is so cheap, relatively speaking, I would just put an Apple logo on and smile, what are the downsides, Did Apple let HP do these in exchange for HP doing the Ipods? you may need IE to view the 3d demo
http://h71016.www7.hp.com/html/interactive/l2335/model.html
:eek:

[Photorun]

It's $1599 on HP site, that's with a 3 year warranty i heard it can be had for $1499 if you look around, it does not have firewire, but has 4 USB ports, PIP,Svideo component video, VGa and I think 2 DVI's, 3 year warranty, exact same specs as Apple, plus Height Adjustment, It looks like the best 23" value out, I could hook up the Xbox, cable Dvd, HDTV and everything to it, straight from the factory. I dont understand why it is so cheap, relatively speaking, I would just put an Apple logo on and smile, what are the downsides, Did Apple let HP do these in exchange for HP doing the Ipods? you may need IE to view the 3d demo
http://h71016.www7.hp.com/html/interactive/l2335/model.html
:eek:

http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/monitors/tft/l2335_specs.html if you don't care for some dumb 360 thing and want to use a REAL browser like Safari. Yeah, it's nice and all but I'd still say the Cinema Display is better looking, has less bevel on the edges. True, it's a couple hundred more for the CD but I'd rather have the Firewire ports.

[izzle22]

http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/monitors/tft/l2335_specs.html if you don't care for some dumb 360 thing and want to use a REAL browser like Safari. Yeah, it's nice and all but I'd still say the Cinema Display is better looking, has less bevel on the edges. True, it's a couple hundred more for the CD but I'd rather have the Firewire ports.
I would even rather have the Apple 20" CD before I would stoop to a 23" HP piece of Doo Doo!

[weezer160]

It's $1599 on HP site, that's with a 3 year warranty i heard it can be had for $1499 if you look around, it does not have firewire, but has 4 USB ports, PIP,Svideo component video, VGa and I think 2 DVI's, 3 year warranty, exact same specs as Apple, plus Height Adjustment, It looks like the best 23" value out, I could hook up the Xbox, cable Dvd, HDTV and everything to it, straight from the factory. I dont understand why it is so cheap, relatively speaking, I would just put an Apple logo on and smile, what are the downsides, Did Apple let HP do these in exchange for HP doing the Ipods? you may need IE to view the 3d demo
http://h71016.www7.hp.com/html/interactive/l2335/model.html
:eek:

what about viewing angles? the aluminum enclosure to complement the g5? firewire is more important to most mac users than usb 2.0, too. what about it being VESA complient? do you really like plastic (not even clear plastic!) over aluminum. ok, i'll admit, i didn't really read the 23" HP article, but these are the questions i think some of us are asking. :)

[wdlove]

I would even rather have the Apple 20" CD before I would stoop to a 23" HP piece of Doo Doo!

I agree. After taking a look at the product, it just doesn't hold a candle to the Apple Cinema Display. They were designed to compliment each other.

[daveg5]

I agree. After taking a look at the product, it just doesn't hold a candle to the Apple Cinema Display. They were designed to compliment each other.
I am not knocking mac, just take a fair look at the product and links, these are supposedly the exact A Quality 23" panels Apple and sony get from the same panel maker, but pivoting, you give up firewire, but get lower cost and 3 year warranty and a ton of interface options, it is vesa compliant and dosent need an adapter like Apple, if you call it doodoo, and it has the same specs as Apple's 23" you are also calling Apple's DooDoo too.
I was just a lil excited cause I never seen a 23" for less then are Apple Brand. It say carbon silver, not sure if thats aluminum or plastic. The Bezel looks about as thin as Apple's except at the button, because of all the inputs and 10 menu buttons. I am pretty sure someone will come out , etc. viewsonic may have one now that I think about it.with an input box that will give Apple svideo PIP HDcomponent video dual computer hook up.
I think Apple's looks better too, But I would be lying if I didnt say I like the price, input, pivoting, height adjustment, and 3 year warranty.
Oh well enough from me I jus thought I would post it, hope I didnt get anyone mad.
:o

5 Page Review here:
http://reviews.designtechnica.com/r..._intro8482.html

HP and APPLE 23" owners actually debate the two on the latter pages, lots of good info on LCDS in general.
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=757963

[weezer160]

but thing about it, at least for those true mac heads, would you really want an HP logo staring back to you next to your beautiful g5? :eek:

[therealbeef]

asides from size between the 23 and 20 incher, is there a big difference in quality? what does it mean that the 23 incher is HD? is that the same HDTV? does it provide the same level of quality as HDTV?

thanks in advance

[weezer160]

asides from size between the 23 and 20 incher, is there a big difference in quality? what does it mean that the 23 incher is HD? is that the same HDTV? does it provide the same level of quality as HDTV?

thanks in advance

you know, i was thinking the exact same thing! i was debating whether or not it's worth to spend the extra 730 (edu discount; 1169 vs 1899) to buy the 23". it's annoying, given the not too distant future i'm planning on buying a g5 and whether or not the extra space (+3") will be worth it for my dv editing and game play. anybody have any advice for the both of us? :)

[Klopsi69]

hi weezer, i'm in a similar position.

factors i'm considering:
the 50% price over the 20" er. (in the uk at any rate, it's half as much again to buy the 23")
the higher resolution may make it more difficult to run games natively in the future on the 23 compared to the slightly lower 20.
The resolution means icons etc are smaller on the 23 than the 20 <i think!)
Ghosting on the 23 compared to the 20.

Now i'm in it for music etc <not DV>, and given the prices, i think i'd rather buy the 20 now and maybe add a second one later. The only thing that really makes me think twice is the extra real estate for watching dvds that the 23" would provide...

[iDave]

hi weezer, i'm in a similar position.
The resolution means icons etc are smaller on the 23 than the 20 <i think!)
Ghosting on the 23 compared to the 20.

Both displays are approximately 100 pixels per inch. Icons, etc., would be the same size on both. Both displays have pixel refresh of 16 ms so ghosting, if any, would be the same on both. Otherwise, your reasoning sounds valid. :)

[MrSugar]

hi weezer, i'm in a similar position.

factors i'm considering:
the 50% price over the 20" er. (in the uk at any rate, it's half as much again to buy the 23")
the higher resolution may make it more difficult to run games natively in the future on the 23 compared to the slightly lower 20.
The resolution means icons etc are smaller on the 23 than the 20 <i think!)
Ghosting on the 23 compared to the 20.

Now i'm in it for music etc <not DV>, and given the prices, i think i'd rather buy the 20 now and maybe add a second one later. The only thing that really makes me think twice is the extra real estate for watching dvds that the 23" would provide...

The extra 3" means that the icons will be the same size. Hence a 20" is smaller and can only do 1650 res while the 23" has more screen to work with so 1920 res will look the same, you just have more space (no squinting needed). According to apple, and from my own expirience this last weekend when I looked up close at the new displays. The new 23" does not ghost, I was running movies and annimation, moving it around, I could detect no signs of ghosting. Maybe there is a difference in games, but from my personal expirience I thought the 23 was great!

Now, I am in the same boat, 20" or 23"? Is it worth the extra money? After going to the apple store I just can't say no, the extra screen size to me alone seems like enough of a reason to pay the $$. I had photoshop open on both the 23" and the 20" and the extra space is just amazing. You could always get a dual display setup for the same price as the 23" but then you don't get the un-interupted screen realistate. To me I guess the 23" offers the supreme comfortable feel.

I guess in the end it comes down to what you will be doing on it. I do tons of photoshop work, and having used a dual screen setup the past 4 years I really really like to utilize my screen space. I plan to get a 23" and hopefully I can eventually afford a second 23" display... man oh man, can you imagine?

[blu911]

I just got the call to come and get my 23" Display from our local Mac store

I cant wait till i get off work, come to think of it i'm not feeling so good i think i need to go home... :D :D :D :D :D :D

[MrSugar]

I just got the call to come and get my 23" Display from our local Mac store

I cant wait till i get off work, come to think of it i'm not feeling so good i think i need to go home... :D :D :D :D :D :D

That's awesome!! Dude post pics, and tell how you like it. Let me know if you detect the more red tint to it like I did. I am waiting for my local apple store to get some in so I can pick one up!!!! :) I am excited to hear how you like it.

[sushi]

Oh well.

I think I will quit now. It's almost 11 pm here, and I wanna go home :)

Sorry if the pics are not of real pro-quality, I only have an old cheap camera, and the lighting in the room wasn't all that gr8. (Besides that, I have no talent :p )

Still, was a lot of fun. Hope you guys enjoyed the pics.
Thanks for the pics!

BTW, my wife hates you! :eek: ;)

Sushi

[sushi]

Has anybody taken shipment of the 23 inch, so far all I have seen are the 20's. BTW has anyone else noticed how massive the 20's look in real-life pictures vs. the apple web site where its in the shadow of the 30? I thought that that 23 would be just the right size but after seeing the 20 in the flesh (or at least pictures)...I might need a bigger desk for my deuce-trey! :D

Evan
Funny you say this.

When I got my 22 inch, I thought it looked small in the store.

...at home it is huge!

Now I am thinking of a new G5 with 30 inch, or dual 23s.

Decisions. Decisions. Decisions.

Sushi

[sushi]

I am sitting here in front of the beautiful glow of a 23 inch Cinema HD display...and its pixel perfect in every way. Sooooooo sexy! Its really just uber-sleek.
I hate you! :D

On a serious note, how much brighter does this new one appear than the old version?

TIA,

Sushi

[blackcrayon]

The new 23" is bright.

Having the brightness at 100% hurts my eyes for a few seconds... I'm comfortable having it set about 50% (from system preferences).

I have the old 20" here at work, and it is brighter than the old 23... and it doesnt even come close to the new 23"...

Just a subjective observation.

[neuromd]

Went to Portland Mac from Seattle on Friday 7/16 and picked up a new G5 and 23'' display. I was the first one out the door and the guy behind me bought the second (out of four) They said they had just gotten in the 20'' that day, but I am SO happy I got the 23" -- it is VERY sweet. I'm no pro, but it looks great so who cares!!

[Detlev_73]

Simply magnificent. A very nice upgrade from the EOL'd 23". 20" looks a little small to me compared to the old version of the 20", though this must be due to the thinner bezel.

Looks like the 23" is the way for me!

[nospleen]

I picked up one (the only one) 20" at the Barton Creek Apple store in Austin, TX. They said more were due in this week.

Funny story. I knew what I wanted so I just went to the back counter and asked for the 20" display and the guy went in the back to see if they had any. While he was in the back another customer came up and asked another sales person for the 20", keep in mind they only have one in stock. As the second salesperson was about to go into the stock room my salesperson came out with the 20". The other guy was furious and demanded to see a manager.

The manager came and the other cusomer started to throw a tempertanrum saying that he was promised they had the 20" in stock. The other customer said if you don't sell me this monitor I will no longer buy another Apple product again! He was casuing quite a scene.

I was about to tell the managerr just sell it to him. But I thought about it, I was there first. So I told the manager I was here first I have cash in hand and want to buy it. After all I did drive an hour up from San Antonio.

In the end I got the 20" displays and it's a work of art. I kept getting looks from people as I paraded through the mall with my new cinema display in hand. Every once in a while I would look back to make sure there was no avengeful mac fan stalking me!

I made the trek from S.A. to Barton Creek on Sunday too! I was going to pick up a 20", but they said they had sold it earlier that day. Did you get yours on Sunday? If so, you snaked me. :D Just kidding, nice grab, they are awesome monitors!! At least I did not go home empty handed, I purchased some ear buds for my ipod. :p Just for the record, I was not the guy throwing a hissy fit either.

[starcrossed]

I made the trek from S.A. to Barton Creek on Sunday too! I was going to pick up a 20", but they said they had sold it earlier that day. Did you get yours on Sunday? If so, you snaked me. :D Just kidding, nice grab, they are awesome monitors!! At least I did not go home empty handed, I purchased some ear buds for my ipod. :p Just for the record, I was not the guy throwing a hissy fit either.

This is taking the thread a little off topic, but Nospleen in your travels to the Austin Apple Store, did you happen to catch any Airport Express in stock. I have one on order but it is not scheduled to ship till 8/9 and I'm getting a little anxious, and I've been hearing that Apple stores have begun recieving stock. So I was thinking of making a trip from SA to Austin to pick me up one of them. But if you have no information I'll probably call before I take the journey.

[nospleen]

This is taking the thread a little off topic, but Nospleen in your travels to the Austin Apple Store, did you happen to catch any Airport Express in stock. I have one on order but it is not scheduled to ship till 8/9 and I'm getting a little anxious, and I've been hearing that Apple stores have begun recieving stock. So I was thinking of making a trip from SA to Austin to pick me up one of them. But if you have no information I'll probably call before I take the journey.

They did not have any in stock at that time. I put my name on a list and they called me the next day and they had them. But, they could only hold it until the end of the day and they could not ship either, so I told them to sell it. My order is suppose to be here tomorrow. I am starting to doubt that I will use it though. Email me and maybe we can meet up and you can take mine. (it will be sealed.) emsdad@mac.com

[sushi]

The new 23" is bright.

Having the brightness at 100% hurts my eyes for a few seconds... I'm comfortable having it set about 50% (from system preferences).

I have the old 20" here at work, and it is brighter than the old 23... and it doesnt even come close to the new 23"...

Just a subjective observation.
Wow...Thanks!

Looking forward to seeing them in person.

Sushi

[Spyharpy]

After reading every message in this nine page thread, I didn't come across even one post about dead pixels. I take it they're all perfect. :) I heard too many dead pixel stories on the prior displays and I certainly hope that isn't the case with these. In the keynote, Jobs said these displays are so good that their competitors use the ones Apple reject.

[sushi]

After reading every message in this nine page thread, I didn't come across even one post about dead pixels. I take it they're all perfect. :) I heard too many dead pixel stories on the prior displays and I certainly hope that isn't the case with these. In the keynote, Jobs said these displays are so good that their competitors use the ones Apple reject.
Good point!

I am so happy that my 22 inch has a perfect display. Some didn't as I understand. At the original price of $4,000, I would think that they were all perfect. I was lucky and got mine new for $2,000. Still works great.

However, the new ones are sure enticing -- especially the 23!

Sushi

[segundo]

Still, was a lot of fun. Hope you guys enjoyed the pics.

Very kind of you . . . thanks again.

[mickhyperion]

So what does it really mean to pre-order one of these monitors? I pre-ordered mine 4 days after they were announced and now a week after they have supposedly started shipping, I still do not have it and the status of my order remains open. Yet people are able to walk into an Apple Store today and walk right back out with a new monitor in hand. What is the point of having pre-ordered it if the product isn't made available to those who have pre-ordered it first?

This is the first product I have ever pre-ordered from Apple and I think it will be my last. I'm really not in a huge hurry to get it, but I'm not understanding Apple's logic on this.

[gossas]

mickhyperion I'm in the same situation, originally the UK site did not claim that the displays were shipping so I assumed that the shipment was US only. The following day the images and text were changed on Apple UK site to say that the 2 smaller displays are now shipping.
A week later and my order is still open with the same useless on or before 26/7/04 ship date and no attempt at crediting my card, so no sign of my display.
From all this I have to assume that Apple Retail stores are the only places they are shipping the displays to.

Sucks

[child810]

I'm in the same boat. But what was/is strange is 12 days ago I saw the apple pending on my credit card, then two days later it disappeared. Very strange. I sent them an email yesterday so hopefully I'll find out what's up today.

I'm in no hurry either but fail to understand why when I ordered one day after release that my display has not been shipped.

[dj_ryan]

So what does it really mean to pre-order one of these monitors? I pre-ordered mine 4 days after they were announced and now a week after they have supposedly started shipping, I still do not have it and the status of my order remains open.

I ordered my display 1 minute after the apple store came up the day they were announced. It was shipped monday and I received mine yesterday (thank you 1 day fedex). Apple says they are shipping in the order received... I suspect there were lots of orders placed in the first 4 days. Also note the apple store still says '2-4 weeks' for the shipping time on new orders.

Yet people are able to walk into an Apple Store today and walk right back out with a new monitor in hand. What is the point of having pre-ordered it if the product isn't made available to those who have pre-ordered it first?

So apple shipped monitors to their own retail stores, the ones near my house got some just late last week - but at the time they received mostly demo units (gotta have something to show off) and very few stock.

Your characterisation that people are just walking off the street and getting the display they want isn't entirely correct - I believe if you called all the apple stores, none would have any stock. A few lucky people who were in the right place at the right time (and post here :-) is my assessment.

PS: Here is a picture of my display on my desk (http://invasioncity.com/po/photo.php?photo=745)

[jimsowden]

So what does it really mean to pre-order one of these monitors? I pre-ordered mine 4 days after they were announced and now a week after they have supposedly started shipping, I still do not have it and the status of my order remains open. Yet people are able to walk into an Apple Store today and walk right back out with a new monitor in hand. What is the point of having pre-ordered it if the product isn't made available to those who have pre-ordered it first?

This is the first product I have ever pre-ordered from Apple and I think it will be my last. I'm really not in a huge hurry to get it, but I'm not understanding Apple's logic on this.
Everybody orders from apple the same way. You are inm direct competition with retail purchacing from the apple store, and if they got their order in for a few thousand a piece, and you are after them, they win. Obviously they have precidence and it seems apple has been fufilling most preorders before that of retailers or distributers, but its all about timing.

[Cadence]

Correct me if I'm wrong cause I'm a newb, but the 23" HP L2335 can easily be hooked to your HDTV Cable box, HD Receiver, HD Tivo or Xbox and the Apple Cinema Display cannot hook up to any of these?? I was set on the Apple, but if that's the case, that's a major blow! When paying that much money for a HD monitor, I would love to be able to watch HDTV.

[MrSugar]

Correct me if I'm wrong cause I'm a newb, but the 23" HP L2335 can easily be hooked to your HDTV Cable box, HD Receiver, HD Tivo or Xbox and the Apple Cinema Display cannot hook up to any of these?? I was set on the Apple, but if that's the case, that's a major blow! When paying that much money for a HD monitor, I would love to be able to watch HDTV.

You are right, but the HP display is not solid, it is plasticy, doesn't have a firewire hub, it's not clean. I will spend the extra money to get a solid aluminum display, with a very thin bezel, etc. Even if I can't run TV on it (that's not my main goal anyway). For some, they might feel different, guess it's all about user preference.

[Cadence]

yeah that seems to be the ultimate downside to the HP...I finally saw the new Apple Cinema Displays in person and wow oh wow it's almost too beautiful to pass up. What's the possibility that some sort of adaptor or attachment will be sold so you could plug in a HD Cable box or whatnot?

[drewm]

anybody get one from a reseller yet?

[Photorun]

yeah that seems to be the ultimate downside to the HP...I finally saw the new Apple Cinema Displays in person and wow oh wow it's almost too beautiful to pass up. What's the possibility that some sort of adaptor or attachment will be sold so you could plug in a HD Cable box or whatnot?

My understanding is that HD converter boxes that come from the cable company have Firewire and, in theory, you can plug them into your Mac, I know to record the signal so, in theory, to play it too. I've had too many beers tonight to make sense of this to you but here's an article that explains it MacOShints.com (http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20040426151111599) for us. Pretty damn cool!

[bluefruit]

Has anyone in the UK received a delivery yet?

[djbahdow01]

Well i have recieved my 20 as of Monday, all i need now is the video signal to go with it. Can't wait for my G5 DP2.5.

[utsava]

yeah that seems to be the ultimate downside to the HP...I finally saw the new Apple Cinema Displays in person and wow oh wow it's almost too beautiful to pass up. What's the possibility that some sort of adaptor or attachment will be sold so you could plug in a HD Cable box or whatnot?

No offense or anything, but this is exactly why Apple has 3% marketshare. There recent offerings almost always put form over function. No doubt Apples monitor is better put together and an aluminum casing is nice, but honestly what are you going to do with your monitor that you need an aluminum case!? Plastic is cheap, yes, but if you look around, practicaly everything is made of plastic! They make stinkin fire proof boxes for documents that last 30 minutes in a fire out of plastic. I'd like to have the Apple Display just as much as the next guy... but I'm also just as middle class as the next guy and will most likely be getting the HP over the Apple.

As for the bezel, its almost identical in size. I think only the bottom where the buttons are is bigger than the Apple.

Also, if the Apple is of such high quality, why dont they put thier money where there mouth is is offer the same 3 year warranty as the HP?

This is not an anger filled post. Its a mere discussion. Now lets discuss....

[wdlove]

I happen to see a 30" HP Display on Monday evening. The amount of viewing area was awesome.

Yesterday my wife and I visited the Chestnut Hill Apple Store. They had the 20" & 23" on display. Very impressed by the look, a very solid display.

[zucruw]

Apples new displays look nice, no doubt. But like other people have said, when comparing it to other displays like the HP L2335, Apple's features don't match up. The funny thing is, if the Apple displays had the TV input capabilities and the HP L2335 didn't, all the die hard mac fans would be saying that is why Apple's are better, but because its the other way around, people say they don't care about the lack of features when comparing the monitors. I think having TV capabilites would really justify spending that much for an LCD monitor. I'm not saying that Apples displays are overpriced, but it would certainly open the market up a lot for mainstream consumers to buy them. People would rationalize the cost by saying, "well, by buying this I am essentially also getting a very high quality TV as well." I understand that pro's appreciate these monitors and probably don't have very much desire for TV included, but for apple to be profitable with these displays, don't they need to sell them to more people than just pro's?

[Rocketfella]

Since we're discussing this, here's my take.

The 23" Apple Cinema display is a professional solution.

If you want something that slices, dices, and chops there are things on the market available for purchase that will fit your needs. Why do you need the Apple product to be what it is and everything else you want it to be?

Having said all this, there are products already available (such as eyetv) that will allow you to watch tv in SD or HD on this display. So I don't really understand what the issue is?

Is it 'I want everything and cheap too'?

[drewm]

I'm now getting 8/6 from MacConnection. It was 7/23

[Tremaine]

Since I haven't seen the HP in person and can't verify that the color quality is the same. Assuming it is, I can think of one reason not to buy it, reputation. I can't tell you how many people I know have had problems with their HP products. On the other hand, Apple has never done me wrong. I'm sure this is not the case for everyone, but it certainly influenced my decision to get the Apple.

[Photorun]

Is it 'I want everything and cheap too'?

Brilliant observation Rfella and clearly that's what many people here are bitching and whining about. There is a solution to use the Apple CD as a HDTV but nobody was listening, all they see is dollar signs, all I see is a pretty good display from HP but more cheaply put together or a really good display from Apple put together really well. From reading other, non-Mac biased threads about the HP which, honestly, even I was highly considering for a short bit in there after reading it here first, it seems quite a few HPs get shipped with this big black band of non-working monitor. To HPs credit they've taken every shipped one like this back, in some cases even paying for the shipping. Apple (usually) has MUCH higher quality standards, a chance you wont have to take, or rather lesson with Apple. Steve Jobs even said that other manufactures take the displays Apple rejects, that could only be HP or Sony as they're the only ones using the same display (all three companies get their display from the same company, I'm too lazy to look it up). I've nothing against HP, as far as peecee makers I'd say they're the most innovative, they seem to know what they're doing, but quality for quality Apple is better.

One other thing I read on one of the posts for the L2335 in a forum discussing it and the Apple 23", the L2335 gets hot, very hot in it's plastic enclosure, so much so you get whiter areas of the screen, i.e. uneven color. Even some peecee trustfund gaming weenie who had two L2335s and bragged about this commented they both had this issue (he didn't care, not much brains there). Uneven color and white spots comes from heat, put a hair drier behind an LCD in one spot and you'll see what this looks like, it's just a phenomena with liquid crystal and heat. In more than one place I've seen people post that they've not seen that first hand in the 23" Apple display. The hypothetical working theory is aluminum displaces heat from the display evenly, perhaps an intentional, or unintended benefit of the Apple's aluminum casing. I'm a high end graphics person and can't really afford to have color shifting from one corner of the display to the other. Is paying another couple hundred worth blowing a graphics design job? Duh. No.

So it's this simple, if you're a cheap mofo who doesn't care about quality, workmanship, have no aesthetic tastes whatsoever, don't mind sending a monitor back and forth, potentially out of your pocket (which will add to the price) and is going to play games and surf for porn (and doesn't care how that porn looks on screen) on your computer, get the L2335, it'll make you happy; if you're into quality workmanship, don't mind spending a little more, like something that is form AND function, respect and like quality, don't feel like playing the shipping game for a working model and care about what you see on screen every time... get the Apple.

There ya go, pick which of those two you fall into above and make the purchase.

[jace5]

Well, if you want more inputs for your Apple 23" or 30" HD displays, get an HD DVI switcher! I know it's not a very aesthetic solution, but it'll do. Gefen Inc. makes such a switcher; between $210-250 street price for the 2-input, 1-output switcher. http://www.gefen.com And no I don't work for Gefen! :cool: -jace

[izzle22]

Brilliant observation Rfella and clearly that's what many people here are bitching and whining about. There is a solution to use the Apple CD as a HDTV but nobody was listening, all they see is dollar signs, all I see is a pretty good display from HP but more cheaply put together or a really good display from Apple put together really well. From reading other, non-Mac biased threads about the HP which, honestly, even I was highly considering for a short bit in there after reading it here first, it seems quite a few HPs get shipped with this big black band of non-working monitor. To HPs credit they've taken every shipped one like this back, in some cases even paying for the shipping. Apple (usually) has MUCH higher quality standards, a chance you wont have to take, or rather lesson with Apple. Steve Jobs even said that other manufactures take the displays Apple rejects, that could only be HP or Sony as they're the only ones using the same display (all three companies get their display from the same company, I'm too lazy to look it up). I've nothing against HP, as far as peecee makers I'd say they're the most innovative, they seem to know what they're doing, but quality for quality Apple is better.

One other thing I read on one of the posts for the L2335 in a forum discussing it and the Apple 23", the L2335 gets hot, very hot in it's plastic enclosure, so much so you get whiter areas of the screen, i.e. uneven color. Even some peecee trustfund gaming weenie who had two L2335s and bragged about this commented they both had this issue (he didn't care, not much brains there). Uneven color and white spots comes from heat, put a hair drier behind an LCD in one spot and you'll see what this looks like, it's just a phenomena with liquid crystal and heat. In more than one place I've seen people post that they've not seen that first hand in the 23" Apple display. The hypothetical working theory is aluminum displaces heat from the display evenly, perhaps an intentional, or unintended benefit of the Apple's aluminum casing. I'm a high end graphics person and can't really afford to have color shifting from one corner of the display to the other. Is paying another couple hundred worth blowing a graphics design job? Duh. No.

So it's this simple, if you're a cheap mofo who doesn't care about quality, workmanship, have no aesthetic tastes whatsoever, don't mind sending a monitor back and forth, potentially out of your pocket (which will add to the price) and is going to play games and surf for porn (and doesn't care how that porn looks on screen) on your computer, get the L2335, it'll make you happy; if you're into quality workmanship, don't mind spending a little more, like something that is form AND function, respect and like quality, don't feel like playing the shipping game for a working model and care about what you see on screen every time... get the Apple.

There ya go, pick which of those two you fall into above and make the purchase.



AMEN!!

[frinky23]

Correct me if I'm wrong cause I'm a newb, but the 23" HP L2335 can easily be hooked to your HDTV Cable box, HD Receiver, HD Tivo or Xbox and the Apple Cinema Display cannot hook up to any of these?? I was set on the Apple, but if that's the case, that's a major blow! When paying that much money for a HD monitor, I would love to be able to watch HDTV.

Many of the newest generations of HDTV equipment come with either a firewire or a DVI output to comply with the newest copy-protection regulations from the FCC. Assuming that you have this equipment, there is no reason to belive that the Apple Cinema Display wouldn't be able to be used with that equipment. Of course, if you are outputting firewire, you will need a Mac, but you should be able to connect the ACD directly to the DVI output if that is what you will be using.

[Cadence]

someone mentioned eyetv as a solution, but as far as i know eyetv only works with an HD antenna and not a HD cable box. I read the macoshints, but I'm not as interested in recording than I am in just purely watching HD channels on my monitor.

So the ACD should work fine with any firewire or DVI HD Cable box? Sorry I'm super new to this, just trying to find out exactly how simple it would be to watch HDTV on a ACD or if it would require one of those switchers or an additional adaptor?

If someone has hooked up HDTV to their new 23" HD ACD, please share!

thanks

[iDave]

If someone has hooked up HDTV to their new 23" HD ACD, please share!
I second that. Please! So far I know nothing about HDTV but it's soon to be available in my area via cable so I'm curious to find out if I'll be able to watch it without buying anything other than a Cinema Display (assuming the cable company will provide the tuner). Like Cadence, I have no interest in recording it, just watching.

[wdlove]

I got this message from Elgato sales.

"We also like to give our customers "the personal touch", but as a
small company we need to be choosy about what shows we attend. We
will be in Paris in August, but I guess that's a bit far...
The reception can really be a problem for EyeTV 500 - if your
building is not right across from a large TV tower, and you don't
have a roof-top antenna. For digital cable, we do not have a product.
EyeTV 200 does work with cable, but it is not HD, and you have to
switch channels on the tuner box.
The current discount is good throughout Macworld Boston, but for
EyeTV 500 we are only taking pre-orders right now as the first batch
of units is sold out."

Thank you
Susanne Nowak

sales@elgato.com

I'm not real sure what type of reception that I would get with an antennae. Suggestions would be very welcome.

[beatle888]

You are right, but the HP display is not solid, it is plastic, doesn't have a firewire hub, it's not clean. I will spend the extra money to get a solid aluminum display, with a very thin bezel, etc. Even if I can't run TV on it (that's not my main goal anyway). For some, they might feel different, guess it's all about user preference.

not to single MrSugar out but i just had to say that after reading this thread it seems that people are more interested in buying macs more for their look than anything else. Or at least thats the case with the new displays. You either have to be a serious mac fan, rich or plain stupid to spend five hundred more dollars on a monitor that is giving you nothing better than the HP. And actually if the people that are buying these displays aren't doing anything that requires top of the line LCDs like graphics then its silly. Save your money. Buy some stocks or save for something thats an actual asset and EARNS you money. You can buy a very nice LCD that will do just fine for a lot less. A monitor like this isn't going to earn anyone any money unless your doing high end graphics and even then i would rather invest what i would save by buying a nice LaCie 23 inch monitor. They have served the graphics industry with quality since i've been doing high end photoshop retouching and color correction. Anyway, enjoy your new monitors...if i were rich i would buy one but until my money works for me instead of me working for it i'll be more rational.


oh and the argument that the HP is plastic and the apple is metal? thats silly, its a monitor that sits on a desk not a hammer. All my TV's have been plastic, never thought they should be aluminum, how is that better again? Thats the comment that really made me respond.

sorry i didnt mean to try and deflate anyones consumer euphoria, i just thought silly arguments were being put forth as to why one shouldnt buy the HP. Go apple all the way. I've owned macs and only macs. I love them cause they serve as a great tool to my work. But im not a collector of them. Don't be upset, i'm only being objective.

[ITMediaCo]

Save your money. Buy some stocks or save for something thats an actual asset and EARNS you money. You can buy a very nice LCD that will do just fine for a lot less.

Read a little too many Robert Kiyosaki books?

[beatle888]

Read a little too many Robert Kiyosaki books?

not one, just thought it made sense. I'll check him out though.


Since we're discussing this, here's my take.

The 23" Apple Cinema display is a professional solution.

If you want something that slices, dices, and chops there are things on the market available for purchase that will fit your needs. Why do you need the Apple product to be what it is and everything else you want it to be?

Having said all this, there are products already available (such as eyetv) that will allow you to watch tv in SD or HD on this display. So I don't really understand what the issue is?

Is it 'I want everything and cheap too'?

Rocketfella this is why your nickname isn't Rockefelle. Why pay more for the apple display when it's function doesnt surpass its competitors? A firewire port isnt going to make tonal transitions appear more natural, or will it? Will the aluminum assure color accuracy in all lighting conditions? Please note, i'm not pro HP im just saying that apples charging you a premium because its sexy and apple knows how to seduce. Isn't there a less expensive solution for one that needs a high end monitor, i would think so. I have many friends in the graphics industry and i only know ONE with an apple monitor. I work with high end images all day and a LaCie is just fine. But if you find you need one for work go for it. If your rich go for it. If your a mac fan go for it. If your just stupid, go for it. Bottom line is your spending more than you NEED to. But we all do it sooner or later. I just try not to do it as much as i use to cause this fool and his money has been parted to many times.

[weezer160]

to get the off the whole hp plastic-with-the-zillion-other-obscure-to-most-of-us, plastic hp monitor vs the apple aluminum monitors argument, my 20" display is shipping! yay! :)

[Rocketfella]

Actually, I will buy the Apple display based on the output of the panel as compared to that of the HP. The material the enclosure is made from isn't a deciding factor. If the better display enclosure also happens to be made from metal rather than plastic then it's frosting.

By the way, using the same panel alone does not make the image quality identical. There is electronics, backlighting, and what is in front of the lcd panel and so on that all contribute to the end result.

You can see this for yourself if you have the opportunity to evaluate them side by side.

[Photorun]

If your just stupid, go for it. Bottom line is your spending more than you NEED to. But we all do it sooner or later. I just try not to do it as much as i use to cause this fool and his money has been parted to many times.

So you were in my latter category of "porn surfer non-professional don't care about image quality group," eh beatle888? Thanks for sharing your comment, for those who care about quality we'll choose to ignore them.

PS I assume you drive a Geo Metro because why drive a car that's built well when you can get one cheaply put together that could kill you in an accident.

[child810]

Just got the email saying my 23" Display has been shipped. Finally. Now I get to play the tracking game. Hoo-ray! Hopefully my 2.5 is soon to follow.

[Tim Kosch]

Just got the email saying my 23" Display has been shipped. Finally. Now I get to play the tracking game. Hoo-ray! Hopefully my 2.5 is soon to follow.

I got my e-mail last night with the same info on my 23" display. I was hoping it would ship earlier than this. The ship date was on or before 7/28. I ordered it on 6/30. I am happy though. I am just getting ready to buy a digital camcorder to do some family video editing on iMovie and iDvd so this is good timing.

Already had my 2.0 so didn't have to wait on that. :D

Tim

[gossas]

Checked the tracker and my 23" is at the local depot waiting to be delivered, now when will they ship my 2.5 :rolleyes:

[jace5]

Ordered it on July 2nd around 3pm EST. FedEx says it shipped it on the 27th. The package was sitting at the sort facility since the 24th.

[dsyntax]

PS I assume you drive a Geo Metro because why drive a car that's built well when you can get one cheaply put together that could kill you in an accident.

Good call, buy an expensive Hummer instead so it's the other guy who you kill in the accident. Mellow out, he is allowed to have an open mind and not believe that apple is God which is something way too many people on this board suffer from. I myself love apple, but its ok for someone to appear un-brainwashed.

[Laslo Panaflex]

I traded in my old and busted 23" for the new hotness 23" alu last wednesday at my local apple reseller, and haven't looked back since. The new displays are far supperior to the old ones in almost evey aspect.

For all of those with old 23 inchers that are thinking about upgrading, do it. For those with their new 23" in the way, you will not be disapointed, they rock.

[Photorun]

Good call, buy an expensive Hummer instead so it's the other guy who you kill in the accident. Mellow out, he is allowed to have an open mind and not believe that apple is God which is something way too many people on this board suffer from. I myself love apple, but its ok for someone to appear un-brainwashed.

And neither am I "brainwashed" by Apple if you've ever read some of my other posts. I admit Apple makes boneheaded calls, in fact a lot, when it comes to business decisions, market share, even pricing. Are the new Cinema Displays a little pricey? Yes, I believe they are, though they're in the ballpark of other similar displays. The HP's issues I read on other forums because I was intrigued in them as well, however, there are some quality issues there. Overall Apple does tend to invest in quality over most other computer makers out there, in some cases, leaps and bounds, and are you the type that thinks quality should be cheap? Seriously your snarky comment tells you are, Hummer, try a Toyota or Honda which is what I tend to drive (currently a VW). Does a Toyota or Honda cost more than a domestic piece of garbage American car? Why yes it does, it also doesn't break down nearly as much, holds it value, and is safer (Consumer Reports) overall. So you and your friend don't like quality, wouldn't pay for it, good for you, you'll be getting new stuff sooner and what you do have wont be worth anything in a shorter period of time. Of course buying things cheaper that break down more means you'll be paying MORE over the same time period than had you sprung for something just a little more expensive that's built to last but hey, your short sightedness (gullibility and lack of thought) is good for keeping the economy strong so rock on.

I'm not an "Apple is god" person, however, I'm a clearly a hell of a lot smarter a shopper clearly than you are. :D

[jace5]

I ordered my display 1 minute after the apple store came up the day they were announced. It was shipped monday and I received mine yesterday (thank you 1 day fedex). Apple says they are shipping in the order received... I suspect there were lots of orders placed in the first 4 days. Also note the apple store still says '2-4 weeks' for the shipping time on new orders.



So apple shipped monitors to their own retail stores, the ones near my house got some just late last week - but at the time they received mostly demo units (gotta have something to show off) and very few stock.

Your characterisation that people are just walking off the street and getting the display they want isn't entirely correct - I believe if you called all the apple stores, none would have any stock. A few lucky people who were in the right place at the right time (and post here :-) is my assessment.

PS: Here is a picture of my display on my desk (http://invasioncity.com/po/photo.php?photo=745)

Man...your window's open; someone could just walk by and snatch that nice pretty display. Look out for bored middle school and high school kids! (just a heads-up) :cool:

[dsyntax]

And neither am I "brainwashed" by Apple if you've ever read some of my other posts. I admit Apple makes boneheaded calls, in fact a lot, when it comes to business decisions, market share, even pricing. Are the new Cinema Displays a little pricey? Yes, I believe they are, though they're in the ballpark of other similar displays. The HP's issues I read on other forums because I was intrigued in them as well, however, there are some quality issues there. Overall Apple does tend to invest in quality over most other computer makers out there, in some cases, leaps and bounds, and are you the type that thinks quality should be cheap? Seriously your snarky comment tells you are, Hummer, try a Toyota or Honda which is what I tend to drive (currently a VW). Does a Toyota or Honda cost more than a domestic piece of garbage American car? Why yes it does, it also doesn't break down nearly as much, holds it value, and is safer (Consumer Reports) overall. So you and your friend don't like quality, wouldn't pay for it, good for you, you'll be getting new stuff sooner and what you do have wont be worth anything in a shorter period of time. Of course buying things cheaper that break down more means you'll be paying MORE over the same time period than had you sprung for something just a little more expensive that's built to last but hey, your short sightedness (gullibility and lack of thought) is good for keeping the economy strong so rock on.

I'm not an "Apple is god" person, however, I'm a clearly a hell of a lot smarter a shopper clearly than you are. :D

A hell of a lot smarter shopper...maybe. I'm not sure what you thought I was saying. If I were to buy a monitor today, it would most likely be an Apple, so I don't understand why you are attacking my shopping choices. As far as I see it, I merely stepped into the middle of an argument and tried to get the apple side (within this particular argument) to open up its mind a little bit. Are you sure that every product ever that was more expensive than its competetors lasted longer? I agree in principle completely with you that investing a little more in a long-term product is smarter than buying cheap crap over and over. I never stated my preference at all in this, or any other, matter. Only that beattle888 didn't seem that closed minded and you did.
Apart from that, I made one "snarky" comment about the accident thing (merely because safety of oneself in an accident does not always equal safety) and you feel the need to go on a rant about my gullibility etc. I'm not sure why you feel the need to do so when I had never expressed any feelings about this debate except that one should keep an open mind.
Maybe 1 year from now all these 20 and 23 inch monitors from apple will be dead and will not be a better value. I'm sure people with dead pixels in their powerbooks recently thought Apple's high price didn't necessarily garuntee quality. Thats it, I'm done, just wanted to say that I do approve of buying quality (and Apple) and that we all need to keep an open mind on things.

-Doops

[Photorun]

Maybe 1 year from now all these 20 and 23 inch monitors from apple will be dead and will not be a better value. I'm sure people with dead pixels in their powerbooks recently thought Apple's high price didn't necessarily garuntee quality. Thats it, I'm done, just wanted to say that I do approve of buying quality (and Apple) and that we all need to keep an open mind on things.

-Doops

Or my friend who's new iPod stopped working one week after he got it, or my iBook I got when the first Firewire one came out the CD drive stopped reading CDs two days after it's one year warranty ran out (yet it curiously still plays DVDs perfectly fine). Sure, bad things happen, but compare this to, say, the major university where I work (stupidly) bought a bunch of Dell laptops students could rent out (they throw money at our IT dept., it's sick) for an internet cafe, of the 25 they recieved, five didn't work, in two weeks seven others stopped working. That, right there, is legendary Dell quality, and the IT department thinks that that's about average, I doubt that's Apple's average. But that's OT, another department got a bunch of Dell monitors of which not a single one is perfect, a couple has a bunch of dead pixels, one has this really bizarre tint to it no matter what the settings, and another has a dead line across it (which is the only one Dell will take back). Again, quality matters, all this sending back and forth and championing mediocrity, sure you can save money... but look where it gets ya.

I appreciate you writing back though dsyntax and I apologize for jumping on you, it wasn't you per se, and I was wrong for doing so. That being said (and not to take away from my apology to you) my point about saving $200 is sometimes spending more long term still holds IMO, be that monitors, cars, etc... you do pay for what you get. My cheap ass brother bought a boombox by GPX, it lasted three months, first the tuner went, then the CD player went, he bragged when he bought it "it was only $39!" I've had the same Panasonic boom box for 11 years and everything on it still works and sounds great, I only had to replace the antenna once, it cost me $99 back then, he's probably bought four or five cheap boomboxes since then adding up to over $200.

I think the only fair way to compare, say, the Apple 23" and the HP 23" is in a few months when both are out and there's a better pool of info. And as someone else mentioned either in this thread or another thread that's running right now (over 500 comments) someone commented circuitry plays a big part in how well a display performs, that's another factor, it's not just comparing two same displays and then saying "one is more aesthetically pleasing" because there's another, less seen, factor to their quality.