DP2.5 Shipping

[Skiniftz]

As we approach my "on or before 2/8/04" ship date, and especially as I strongly suspect I'm going to see this deadline whoosh by without any sign of my new Mac, I am wondering has anyone at all received their DP2.5?

After having been caught out by Apple in the past I've been waiting 8 months for the fabled "Dual 3GHz" that Jobs bul****ted us about when I could have bought a Dual 2.0 back in January 04 and after the disappointment of only a Dual 2.5 which I ordered TWO MONTHS AGO I'm starting to get seriously annoyed. If they delay me any longer I'm seriously looking at sticking with the PC and buying a new Dell. At least I know exactly what I would be getting and know that if I order I'll see something before 2005. The absolute last straw would be if I have to wait more months for the "DP2.5" (if they exist) only to find out the dual cores get announced just after I buy and its too late for a refund.

"Switch to Apple" - sure - great except for one thing - you cant ****ing buy them. :mad:

Quite frankly this whole fiasco has been ****ing ridiculous. How is this company still in business?

[Koree]

Cuz people are patient :p jk jk, sorry your order hasn't come yet, it'll get there, eventually ^^, don't worry it'll be very very worth the wait. Don't get the dell!

[Koree]

And complain after August 2nd!, they told you its gonna take a while

[paxtonandrew]

As we approach my "on or before 2/8/04" ship date, and especially as I strongly suspect I'm going to see this deadline whoosh by without any sign of my new Mac, I am wondering has anyone at all received their DP2.5?

After having been caught out by Apple in the past I've been waiting 8 months for the fabled "Dual 3GHz" that Jobs bul****ted us about when I could have bought a Dual 2.0 back in January 04 and after the disappointment of only a Dual 2.5 which I ordered TWO MONTHS AGO I'm starting to get seriously annoyed. If they delay me any longer I'm seriously looking at sticking with the PC and buying a new Dell. At least I know exactly what I would be getting and know that if I order I'll see something before 2005. The absolute last straw would be if I have to wait more months for the "DP2.5" (if they exist) only to find out the dual cores get announced just after I buy and its too late for a refund.

"Switch to Apple" - sure - great except for one thing - you cant ****ing buy them. :mad:

Quite frankly this whole fiasco has been ****ing ridiculous. How is this company still in business?

What graphics card did you get the computer with? Did you order the 9800? If so, there will be a delay on the computer.

If not, contact Apple, and ask what gives with the delay. There will also be a delay with the computer, as the chips are new, so the manufacturing process will be slow, just be patient and the computer will come.
:D

[Skiniftz]

What graphics card did you get the computer with? Did you order the 9800? If so, there will be a delay on the computer.

If not, contact Apple, and ask what gives with the delay. There will also be a delay with the computer, as the chips are new, so the manufacturing process will be slow, just be patient and the computer will come.
:D
I ordered the 9800XT and would have upgraded to the NVidia 6800 except I knew it would add a delay.

Do you know something about 9800XT's causing a delay that I don't?

[adamjay]

i may get lynched for saying this but here goes..

if you can cope with using Windows, don't switch to Mac.
as someone who has used both platforms for a long time, MacOS is definitely the easier to use OS out of the box. But if you are comfortable with XP for instance, and are comfortable with dodging viruses and spyware (its easy once you know what you're doing), then you would take a huge speed hit buying an apple (unless you order a dual G5 - which you did). For the same performance of that dual G5 you can get a PC for 1/2 to 1/3 the price.

i don't know why you are switching to Apple or what your uses for the platform would be. but if your uses do not include video editing - you will simply get more for your money on the x86 side of things. You can build a spec for spec Dual Opteron 2ghz machine that performs like a dual 2.0 ghz G5 for $1200. dual 2.5 equivalent for $1500.

i don't mean to play devil's advocate here. i am only speaking from experience. and my latest experience was selling a G4 867mhz 12" Powerbook for $1,000. I then bought an HP 15.4" widescreen laptop for $975 with an Athlon 64 3000. I'm now seeing 3 to 4 times better performance in the main (audio) apps that i use.

OSX kicks ass, there is no denying it. but the matrix of getting only 2 of Good/Fast/Cheap 3 definitely applies to Apple.

I love OSX, but over time i've been feeling that its a wolf in sheep's clothing.

[Skiniftz]

It's not just personal though - at work our purchasing guy was going nuts as he ordered a lot of Apple stuff, but it took THREE MONTHS to arrive.

We were planning to switch quite a bit to Apple too as we dont like being tied to much to Microsoft, but quite frankly order 50 Dell's and have them on site within three days or wait MONTHS for Apple stuff - which are you going to do?

[adamjay]

would you consider yourself more tied to apple now though? considering you're basically just waiting for the machine you've purchased?

[adamjay]

in other words, who has you by the balls NOW ?

[Skiniftz]

in other words, who has you by the balls NOW ?
Apple.

[slughead]

As we approach my "on or before 2/8/04" ship date, and especially as I strongly suspect I'm going to see this deadline whoosh by without any sign of my new Mac, I am wondering has anyone at all received their DP2.5?

After having been caught out by Apple in the past I've been waiting 8 months for the fabled "Dual 3GHz" that Jobs bul****ted us about when I could have bought a Dual 2.0 back in January 04 and after the disappointment of only a Dual 2.5 which I ordered TWO MONTHS AGO I'm starting to get seriously annoyed. If they delay me any longer I'm seriously looking at sticking with the PC and buying a new Dell. At least I know exactly what I would be getting and know that if I order I'll see something before 2005. The absolute last straw would be if I have to wait more months for the "DP2.5" (if they exist) only to find out the dual cores get announced just after I buy and its too late for a refund.


I ordered mine on WWDC.. My order is still open.

I agree with that whole 3ghz thing was BS. They should've told us it would've been delayed THE DAY they knew so we could make the choice as to whether or not it was worth it to wait.

If you can't make a deadline, inform your boss ASAP so they can make arrangements, don't wait till the last minute to tell them you can't do it. I guaran-damn-tee you IBM told Apple when they knew, and I bet it was at least 6 months ago.

I've been in the market for a TOTL (top of the line) G5 for 9 months--waiting on Apple's 3ghz wonderbox. I would've bought 9 months ago if I'd known this would be the result.

[Bhennies]

TELL me about it. I sold my CRT to get the money for a 23" HD display to go along with my powerbook. I ordered it 2 days after they were announced and I'm STILL waiting. It's pretty much impossible to do what I do on a 15" powerbook screen. When they say two-to-four weeks, they might as well drop the two week estimate and just tell people it's gonna take a month or more- we all know apple doesn't seem to beat their quickest estimates for shipping.

I was thinking of getting the middle model of the next revision of g5's when they come out for audio, but now, I think I'll keep the powerbook for my daily duties (internet, etc.) and build an AMD machine for my recording studio with no internet hookup so I won't have to deal with spyware, viruses etc. XP is not THAT unreliable when it's a non-networked computer. A LOT more bang for your buck.

[broken_keyboard]

I remember with the original G5, they were showing up in stores before people received their pre-orders.

It was crazy, some guy who orders right after the keynote is still waiting while others just walk in off the street and grab one. Pre-ordering is an evil trick...

[Celeron]

Come on fellas, if you've been following Apple for any length of time you know they are the KINGS of paper releases. Hey hey, they got a new PowerMac out, great, you can't actually buy one for another 3 months. Well you can, but you won't get it. That's like pre-ordering a new video game.

[radhak]

All of you guys seem to be very flexible with your computing needs ;) You are ready to change your computing platform based on the delivery modes and time? Well, that means you just need something on your desk/lap, not necessarily a Mac or a Wintel.

Me, i spend a lot of time thinking on what i need, and once decided that i needed an Apple (iMac to be specific), i go ahead and order it, and the time it takes to deliver is totally immaterial. I mean, if it gets delivered the next day, it's a bonus, but if it takes a month, that's what it takes.

My iMac took less than 24 hours to deliver, then my new Dell 8300 took 10 days. But the Dell is going to be with me for the next 2 years, and i am told the iMac is good for even more, so a month here or there is not material. Think it over.

Yes, complain about it, get Apple to be more proactive about it, but don't abandon a G5 because of a logistical problem :rolleyes:

[slughead]

Yes, complain about it, get Apple to be more proactive about it, but don't abandon a G5 because of a logistical problem :rolleyes:

Me: "Hey Apple, can you stop being retards?"

Apple: "Why should we? Nobody abandons our products even though we screw them once or twice a year."

Me: "But I've been a loyal customer for years! Cut me a break!"

Apple: "Why should we? What are you going to do? Run windows? HAHAHA!"

The lesser of two evils always wins :(.

They should change their slogan to "Apple: every year is election year!" Even though I vote libertarian, in this case I can't afford to run the 3rd party (linux).

[SwitchingSoon]

i may get lynched for saying this but here goes..

if you can cope with using Windows, don't switch to Mac.
as someone who has used both platforms for a long time, MacOS is definitely the easier to use OS out of the box. But if you are comfortable with XP for instance, and are comfortable with dodging viruses and spyware (its easy once you know what you're doing), then you would take a huge speed hit buying an apple (unless you order a dual G5 - which you did). For the same performance of that dual G5 you can get a PC for 1/2 to 1/3 the price.

i don't know why you are switching to Apple or what your uses for the platform would be. but if your uses do not include video editing - you will simply get more for your money on the x86 side of things. You can build a spec for spec Dual Opteron 2ghz machine that performs like a dual 2.0 ghz G5 for $1200. dual 2.5 equivalent for $1500.


i don't mean to play devil's advocate here. i am only speaking from experience. and my latest experience was selling a G4 867mhz 12" Powerbook for $1,000. I then bought an HP 15.4" widescreen laptop for $975 with an Athlon 64 3000. I'm now seeing 3 to 4 times better performance in the main (audio) apps that i use.

OSX kicks ass, there is no denying it. but the matrix of getting only 2 of Good/Fast/Cheap 3 definitely applies to Apple.

I love OSX, but over time i've been feeling that its a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Ugh. I'm beginning to think you have a point. Now why the ******* have I been waiting for this damn computer for 2 months and visiting every single mac site under the sun....?

I move in 8/8 to school. If I don't get it by then, I guess I will just cancel my order. I still have to transfer and ASSLOAD of files from this PC, not to mention, learn how to use FRIGGIN MAC OS.

You're the first one who has been so blunt about the speed. These past few weeks when i have asked similar questions i get wishy washy answers. better than xeon 3.6 ghz, worse than a 2.2 ghz dell desktop, etc.

I had heard apple's record with shipping and for some naive reason i thought they would have gotten better

[adamjay]

You're the first one who has been so blunt about the speed. These past few weeks when i have asked similar questions i get wishy washy answers. better than xeon 3.6 ghz, worse than a 2.2 ghz dell desktop, etc.


the wishy washy answers are because different platforms, and even specifications favor different applications and uses. for instance, barefeats' comparison of the dual G5 and dual Opteron last year.. http://www.barefeats.com/g5op.html

bryce and aftereffects were owned by the G5, everything else including photoshop was owned by the opteron. Photoshop CS later came out and its mild 64-bit nature was beneficial to both processors, but its too hard to tell.

at the time of that test, the dual opteron was $4107 USD, and the dual G5 2.0 was $3424 USD, when the systems were comparably spec'd. but these days, that same dual opteron is about $1200, and the G5 $2500.

x86 technology progresses alot more gradually than PowerPC (Mac) does. and this makes newer technology cheaper. Mac progresses just as much, but at a different rate. i tend to beleive that Mac technology makes Leaps and is even if not - better and faster than PC technology every few years, but this only lasts for a while (for instance the birth of the dual G5). Then things progress slowly for years afterward, while the PC gradually takes back the lead (i.e. dual 2.5 g5 instead of 3ghz G5). bad analogy, but think of it like a kangaroo racing against against a grizzly bear. they both have the same average speed of 30mph, and the kangaroo will hop in front of the bear but only be ahead for a little while... the bear will have the lead most of the time, but the kangaroo will leap ahead every now and again.

[Soire]

Me: "Hey Apple, can you stop being retards?"

Apple: "Why should we? Nobody abandons our products even though we screw them once or twice a year."

Me: "But I've been a loyal customer for years! Cut me a break!"

Apple: "Why should we? What are you going to do? Run windows? HAHAHA!"

The lesser of two evils always wins :(.

They should change their slogan to "Apple: every year is election year!" Even though I vote libertarian, in this case I can't afford to run the 3rd party (linux).


HaHa! :p

My biggest question, other than why Apple doesn't ship my freakin computer already, is why Macrumors printed that they were shipping AS A STORY and hasn't made a retraction yet?? It was a total lie 2 weeks ago, as it is today. It's hard enough not having my G5 (ship date 8/2) but toying with my emotions this whole time has been bad for my health. Grrrrrrrr..........

[adamjay]

more food for thought...

http://www.barefeats.com/image05/cin04.gif

[SwitchingSoon]

:(

[slughead]

more food for thought...

http://www.barefeats.com/image05/cin04.gif

Yeah I saw that.

Kind of throws that whole "They've only increased by 12% and we've done 25%!" argument right out the window.

Though TBH, some tests showed the DP2.0 G5 slower than the DP3.0 Xeon when it came out.

The Xeon does better on these $50 benchmark programs than it does in real world/SPEC benchmark tests. It seems to be optimized for such things, and not for the things you would use it for (database management, etc.).

[adamjay]

absolutely. different machines are better for different things.

for instance. a $700 Athlon 64 3400 Desktop is more effecient with the Ableton Live audio sequencing application than a $2500 Dual 2.0 G5.

[jackieonasses]

well then go back to windows. i hate all of that ranting and "cussing" our community doesn't need you. (Yes i know you are upset i would be to, but it is just the dual 2.5s that are taking so long in the first place so calm down)

[Bhennies]

All of you guys seem to be very flexible with your computing needs ;) You are ready to change your computing platform based on the delivery modes and time? Well, that means you just need something on your desk/lap, not necessarily a Mac or a Wintel.
I wouldn't exactly say that. I started waiting to buy a new g5 in February along with a new display which apple was rumored to release along side new g5's in March. The dual 3ghz, which was not a rumor but a PROMISE, was a possibility for me as well. As we all know, NONE of these things came to fruition on time, or for the dual 3's, AT ALL.

I don't switch back and forth from manufacturers for who's got the fastest shipping time or least pre-order delays...Apple's business practice has been a problem for me since I bought my first mac 5 years ago. I USE my computer for my job (photography and graphic design) and my serious hobby (music production), and treating a customer like we're being treated is unacceptable for professionals, especially when they spend 2 grand on a monitor or 3 grand on a computer. Not to mention I can only get a 1 year warranty on a 2000 dollar display because I didn't buy it at the same time as my powerbook, but that's another story.

I used to laugh at the cynics who said Apple was turning into a software and ipod oriented company, but lately, I've been questioning my credit card's undying support for Apple.

[Bhennies]

well then go back to windows. i hate all of that ranting and "cussing" our community doesn't need you.You certainly don't speak for me- how can you honestly suggest that someone leave macrumors because YOU don't like them talking **** about apple. I can't stand that lame philosophy that just because Apple is "less evil" than Microsoft, you can't criticize it even when it is OBJECTIVELY screwing up.

[slughead]

well then go back to windows. i hate all of that ranting and "cussing" our community doesn't need you. (Yes i know you are upset i would be to, but it is just the dual 2.5s that are taking so long in the first place so calm down)

You're proof that this community needs people from the outside looking in.

If the statement "Apple's not as good as it could be" pisses you off, you need people to take your thinking outside of the box.

[Soire]

You're proof that this community needs people from the outside looking in.

If the statement "Apple's not as good as it could be" pisses you off, you need people to take your thinking outside of the box.

Agreed. There's a difference between a Mac user/lover and those who treat macs like a religous icon, thinking that they can do no wrong.

I venture to say that if Apple fails to meet their ship date we had ought to start up a petition. We bought an upgraded version of a long standing product TWO MONTHS AGO, and have been led to believe that the latest we would receive them is 7/30 or 8/2 in my case. If they fail to deliver the goods that we as customers are so eager to spend our money on, then why shouldn't Apple get a piece of my mind? :mad:

[QCassidy352]

here's the thing - apple is not trying to screw you over here. If they could have had them to you 2 months ago, they would have. This isn't some plot, like some have suggested, where apple is just messing with you because they know they have you, and laughing all the way. It's entirely in apple's interest to ship every product absolutely as fast as possible. If there are delays, that's because they are having problems in production. If you really want to blame someone, blame the 3rd party manufacturers because they are often the ones to blame (the guys who supply video cards, mini hard drives, etc.).

No, apple is not the perfect company. But IMHO, all things considered, they're still the best option out there. If you disagree, there are a lot of other options, and you know what they are. I'm not sure what you want from apple; you have to know that they are doing the best they can.

[SwitchingSoon]

here's the thing - apple is not trying to screw you over here. If they could have had them to you 2 months ago, they would have. This isn't some plot, like some have suggested, where apple is just messing with you because they know they have you, and laughing all the way.

uhm, no *****

[Bhennies]

here's the thing - apple is not trying to screw you over here. If they could have had them to you 2 months ago, they would have. This isn't some plot, like some have suggested, where apple is just messing with you because they know they have you, and laughing all the way. I agree...but I don't think anyone honestly thinks apple is trying to "screw them". I think that people are just fed up with the incompetence we've seen when it comes to shipping and introducing products. I have to admit, my wait has been pretty lightweight- I'm only a day or two over my maximum original quoted delivery time (2-4 weeks) for my 23" display. But what about the x-serves and jesus...all those people who bought ipod minis? And not to mention all those people (myself included) who waited patiently for steve's promise on the g5's. It's a pattern of disregard for die-hard customers. And I'm sorry...the g5 situation is disgusting.

I know that Apple's products are great, but come on...does that mean we can't suggest that they do things better with their business practice? I mean, that's like saying you can't bitch about the best airline just because the others are worse...and we all know that flying on the best airline is still worse than having a cavity drilled.

[adamjay]

and we all know that flying on the best airline is still worse than having a cavity drilled.

hahaha, that is SO south park!

[SwitchingSoon]

NOTICE:

apple just charged our Credit card for the order! Our credit card company just called us!!


SWEET MAYBE THEY'LL SHIP SOON!! :D :D :D

[Soire]

NOTICE:

apple just charged our Credit card for the order! Our credit card company just called us!!


SWEET MAYBE THEY'LL SHIP SOON!! :D :D :D


Please, please, please be absolutely freakin sure before you say that. M=Not a hold, or an inquiry, but an actual charge.

Once you're certain, perhaps hope can still bloom. :p

[SwitchingSoon]

ok, this is what my mom told me... I will ask her to call them and make sure...

another user told me it could be an "authorization/pending" charge... *sigh*

i was piss-in-my-pants happy for a while


Edit: fudge, my mom said it could have been just the authorization/pending thing...but she can't call because she's going to work at 1:30 PM and getting prepared....

[rogerw]

As we approach my "on or before 2/8/04" ship date, and especially as I strongly suspect I'm going to see this deadline whoosh by without any sign of my new Mac, I am wondering has anyone at all received their DP2.5?

After having been caught out by Apple in the past I've been waiting 8 months for the fabled "Dual 3GHz" that Jobs bul****ted us about when I could have bought a Dual 2.0 back in January 04 and after the disappointment of only a Dual 2.5 which I ordered TWO MONTHS AGO I'm starting to get seriously annoyed. If they delay me any longer I'm seriously looking at sticking with the PC and buying a new Dell. At least I know exactly what I would be getting and know that if I order I'll see something before 2005. The absolute last straw would be if I have to wait more months for the "DP2.5" (if they exist) only to find out the dual cores get announced just after I buy and its too late for a refund.

"Switch to Apple" - sure - great except for one thing - you cant ****ing buy them. :mad:

Quite frankly this whole fiasco has been ****ing ridiculous. How is this company still in business?

wait till it goes wrong and you are at the mercy of the ***s at apple uk customer - er...relations

[SwitchingSoon]

just a random thought (don't get me wrong, i will love my powermac especially since it's most likely going to ship in the first batches..yay):

A LOT of people complain about apple hardware... when my sister bought her emac, she had to get the cd-drive fixed. I've seen so many other people complain about hardware, including a guy who said that 3/4 of his last orders have had problems....we'll see!

[SwitchingSoon]

According to appleinsider...the first wave will begin shipping soon.

I hope I'm included in that shipment.

[slughead]

According to appleinsider...the first wave will begin shipping soon.

I hope I'm included in that shipment.

I'm getting the 6800, does that include those?

[slughead]

http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=571
Apple Computer, Inc. is preparing to ship the first "official" batch of liquid-cooled dual processor 2.5 GHz Power Mac G5s, which should begin appearing on some customer's doorsteps as early as next week, AppleInsider has learned.

Apple began taking pre-orders for the 2.5 GHz Power Macs in early June, citing availability from the Apple Store in July. Although the company this month was reported to have provided select partners and clients with a handful of its earliest production models, shipments have yet to begin to the average consumer.

This week the Apple Store remained optimistic that the company will make good on its July promissory statement. According to well placed sources, the first customer shipments of 2.5 GHz Power Macs are currently "on track" to leave Apple's manufacturing facilities this Friday, July 30th.

Over the past week, several customers have noted pre-authorization charges from Apple on their bill statements. This is a typical precautionary measure taken by the Apple online store to detect any customer finance issues just days prior to shipping large product orders.

Unfortunately for most 2.5 GHz Power Mac adopters, the initial shipment is expected to be quite limited. A recent analysis of pending Power Mac G5 orders indicates that only those customers who placed orders during the first week or so of availability are likely to see their orders fulfilled by the first week of August. In fact, it appears that IBM's G5 manufacturing problems will continue to plague the Power Mac family well into September. New orders for 2.5 GHz Power Macs carry a waiting period of at least 4 to 6 weeks, meanwhile customers have also reported their share of delays associated with fresh orders for the slower 2.0 GHz Power Mac models.

On a more positive note, information suggests that Apple's July 30th 2.5 GHz Power Mac shipments may include a handful of NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL graphics cards. Apple had previously stated that the graphics card--a requirement for Apple's new 30-inch HD Cinema display--would not ship until late August.

Although higher-ups at the Apple online store confirmed plans to begin shipping the new Power Macs later this week, they were cautious not to rule out any last minute delays. In the event that plans change, sources say that customers with July delivery estimates will receive an e-mail from the Apple Store, updating their order status to an reflect an early August delivery.

FU APPLE!

If my new shipping date is after the 7th I'm canceling my order.

[puckhead193]

I hope it won't take that long for a BTO powerbook....I plan on ordering it sat. I need it for school. If i don't have a laptop for school i will be screwed because i'm dependet on it cause i can't write to save my life.

[SwitchingSoon]

And the date changed to on or before 8/20....

f u apple. :mad:

[slughead]

If mine doesn't ship by the 9th I'm canceling (the 7th turned out to be a Saturday).

[slughead]

*cough* bump