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dwl017
Nov 10, 2009, 09:23 AM
http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/10/dells-inspiron-zino-hd-now-official-in-ireland/



thegoldenmackid
Nov 10, 2009, 09:24 AM
Well it might be useful for HTPC uses, there are plenty of PC's that outperform the Mini at the relative size - they all lack a certain OS.

kroeks
Nov 10, 2009, 09:25 AM
That would just be an attempt.

This could be a killer:
http://osopher.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/hammer1.jpg

fa8362
Nov 10, 2009, 09:26 AM
It's a Dell...yuck, and Microsoft...yuck.

arklab
Nov 10, 2009, 09:31 AM
On the other hand, I'm sure I saw one in Tangerine! :rolleyes:

dwl017
Nov 10, 2009, 09:32 AM
Laugh all you want at least it has a real hard drive - 7200RPM

http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/07/inspiron-zino-hd-now-configurable-available-to-order-on-dells/

53x12
Nov 10, 2009, 09:33 AM
Meh. Blu-Ray is nice for HTPC setup, however for every day use I would prefer SL and the looks of the mini. This just looks like another cheaply made Dell with Winblows. :p

dwl017
Nov 10, 2009, 09:34 AM
http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/07/inspiron-zino-hd-now-configurable-available-to-order-on-dells/

Dell may be focusing the bulk of its attention on the white-hot Adamo XPS, but it looks as if its attempting to slide the Zino HD into the wild without anyone noticing. If you'll recall, we snagged a little hands-on time with the box back in August, and now we've reason to believe that an official reveal is just moments away. The Zino HD is now listed on Dell's main "Desktops" portal (a screen cap is after the break), though the accompanying link leads to nowhere. However, one vigilant tipster managed to find a backdoor URL that allows you to configure and order your own Inspiron 400 (its "other name," just so you know) right now. We're seeing the machine available in a slew of colors ($10 to $30 options over black), a 1.5GHz AMD Athlon 3250e or 1.8GHz Athlon 6850e CPU, Windows 7 Home Premium, 4GB of DDR2 RAM, a 500GB (7200RPM) hard drive, 8x DVD burner, a 512MB ATI Radeon HD 4330 GPU, bundled keyboard / mouse and a 20-inch ST2010 LCD thrown in for good measure. The total package described above looks to start at around $807 with a November 27th ship date, though we suspect cheaper models will be available once things get ironed out.

Adam0306
Nov 10, 2009, 09:42 AM
Are you serious? A 1.5 or 1.8 GHZ processor? The iMac's lowest is a 2.26! Plus the biggest flaw is that it's running Windows.

mscriv
Nov 10, 2009, 09:44 AM
It's very cool that it has an HDMI port. Very HTPC friendly.

GoCubsGo
Nov 10, 2009, 09:44 AM
If this could be hacked to run OS X then yes, I'd consider it as a second HTPC.

splitpea
Nov 10, 2009, 09:47 AM
The processors are singularly unimpressive compared to the Mini, and (perhaps surprisingly) it doesn't look like it really undercuts the Mini in price either. That said, I wish Apple would offer 7200RPM drive and better graphics card options.

MacMini2009
Nov 10, 2009, 09:52 AM
Laugh all you want at least it has a real hard drive - 7200RPM

http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/07/inspiron-zino-hd-now-configurable-available-to-order-on-dells/

So 5400RPM hard drives are fake?

dwl017
Nov 10, 2009, 09:55 AM
The processors are singularly unimpressive compared to the Mini, and (perhaps surprisingly) it doesn't look like it really undercuts the Mini in price either. That said, I wish Apple would offer 7200RPM drive and better graphics card options.

This is not a video work station, how much processor speed do you need to surf the web check email and chat on Facebook. I love how everyone is so caught up on the processors speeds.

dwl017
Nov 10, 2009, 09:56 AM
So 5400RPM hard drives are fake?

No I never said fake everyone here should know the difference between a 5400 and 7200 RPM drive

reebzor
Nov 10, 2009, 09:59 AM
My mini pretty much exclusively runs plex. Nothing else. Since plex is mac only, I think I'll have no problem sticking with my mini.

Adam0306
Nov 10, 2009, 10:00 AM
This is not a video work station, how much processor speed do you need to surf the web check email and chat on Facebook. I love how everyone is so caught up on the processors speeds.

That's true but this is not a netbook. This is a desktop computer. It should atleast be able to run Internet Explorer without stalling out.

dwl017
Nov 10, 2009, 10:02 AM
Look before this gets out of control let the record reflect that no I am not trolling and no I am not a fan boy of either platform. I own both and think they are both great. I just happen to think this is a pretty neat little box. Will I buy one? sure I will :-) I also own a Mac Mini 1.66Ghz Core Duo and I must admit its a bit slow and very long in the tooth by today standards. Lots of beach ball spinning.

Maybe no big deal to some folks but I also like that it will come with a keyboard and mouse.

splitpea
Nov 10, 2009, 10:03 AM
This is not a video work station, how much processor speed do you need to surf the web check email and chat on Facebook. I love how everyone is so caught up on the processors speeds.

No, it's not a video workstation, but an underpowered computer typically needs to be replaced earlier. And yes, some of us are still bitching and moaning over the lack of a midrange tower (know it's never going to happen, but doesn't mean we can't wish it would).

Also, I've been considering a Mini as a stopgap upgrade from my G5 PowerMac while I save up for a MBP, but as badly as I need an Intel Mac, the Mini could still barely keep up with my almost-5-year-old G5.

alphaod
Nov 10, 2009, 10:06 AM
No I never said fake everyone here should know the difference between a 5400 and 7200 RPM drive

Yes 5400RPM use less power.

63dot
Nov 10, 2009, 10:12 AM
I wouldn't call it a mini killer. I love my Mac mini. But there are some apps that work only on PC and I have a PowerPC Mac mini which stills works very well. I can see getting a Dell "mini" as it looks like it can do its job with PC only software and not take up a lot of space.

If given the choice between one or the other, and I didn't have any computer at the moment, I would still go with Apple. If I wanted to load Windows on it, the Intel processor makes that a possibility and I get the best of both worlds.

UrFatMom
Nov 10, 2009, 10:28 AM
Nice find.

This could be a nice alternative to a PS3. Don't get me wrong, it won't be a mini killer. However, it certainly look better then a mini for HTPC considering it can play blu-ray :rolleyes:.

And as always, mac fanboys are funny... can't even admit that this pc is indeed nice for what it's intended for. Lack of OS? As if windows didn't have iTunes/quicktime/whatever player we're using on OSX.

I love mac, I can't wait for my i5 to come. But if I was looking for HTPC solution, this would win vs a mini by far.

Oh and yeah windows 7 is real nice. I will use parallel on my iMac and use the dock for windows7/ubuntu apps, especially for Office (Mac office and iWork both got crappy Excel... Most of my stats macro NEVER work normally and I had to install windows xp just for them to work correctly...).

*On a side note, I must agree that the design is uglier then a Mac Mini, but the all black one would look better with my flat screen then a white box...

UrFatMom
Nov 10, 2009, 10:32 AM
That would just be an attempt.

This could be a killer:
http://osopher.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/hammer1.jpg

Or this, hahaha...

http://giussani.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/pool5.jpg

Shivetya
Nov 10, 2009, 10:33 AM
their processor choice leaves me scratching my head.

cfitz7111
Nov 10, 2009, 09:51 PM
Rule of video editing. You never have your media on the same drive as the OS or the application. So as long as your external drive with your media is 7200, the 5400 is acceptable

Shaun.P
Nov 11, 2009, 02:48 AM
This new Dell is something that I may be considering.

I'd like to know a bit more about the processor (and the processor you can upgrade to for £20). Is this just AMD's equivalent of the Intel Atom?

MacHamster68
Nov 11, 2009, 04:35 AM
it might not be a killer , but the price tag could bring dell some customers
the AMD athlon x2 version (if they use the latest type) could work quiet well with a clockrate of 1900 MHz - 2600 MHz and a good overclocking potential could be tempting for some people who cant live without windows 7
..the intel atom version is more a dvd player with ability to surf online :D ,
but then again in the days of recession with the pound nearly at euro level and people looking more and more on the price tag then on spec, the atom version might sell quiet well

mrmicp
Nov 11, 2009, 07:57 AM
Nice find.

This could be a nice alternative to a PS3

Yeah I thought this at first as I really on use my PS3 for media, but then I figured out you could buy 2 PS3's for the price of the blu-ray one and still have some change in your pocket. Think i'll stick to my mac mini and PS3 for the time being.

On a side note as my house is a mac house all my apple kit integrates very nicely, putting in a windows based system would somewhat upset the balance when it comes to sharing photos music and other media :D

For a PC orientated house it would be perfect....then again look at the PC you could build for that kinda money....

DannySmurf
Nov 11, 2009, 09:59 AM
their processor choice leaves me scratching my head.

Those processors are fairly typical in low-end (non-netbook) Windows laptops. Not really surprised to see them show up here. They're nowhere near as fast as the Core chips, but they're quite capable.

This new Dell is something that I may be considering.

I'd like to know a bit more about the processor (and the processor you can upgrade to for £20). Is this just AMD's equivalent of the Intel Atom?

It's one step up from that. Think of it like a Celeron, but without the suck.

Pak^Man
Nov 11, 2009, 10:31 AM
I think it's pretty nice.... CRU is kind of "meh!", but good GPU option, larger HDD, Blue-ray, 3.5" HDD, up to 8GB RAM, eSATA.... its getting warmer....

But still too big, and kind of flimsy looking. Biggest requirement for an HTPC.... Dont look like a PC!! This one still has a look of a mini-itx PC in a box chilling with your HT equipment.

Dell, keep working on it! :D

BenEndeem
Nov 11, 2009, 10:35 AM
If I was in the market for a small form factor desktop I would most likely choose this over the Mac Mini. The Mini wins on processor, energy consumption and perhaps design, but the Dell just ticks every other box; most importantly price.

dwl017
Nov 12, 2009, 09:29 AM
Inspiron Zino HD
DVDRW, Upgraded graphics and 20" Panel
Add to Cart


Inspiron Zino HD
AMD Athlon™ 2850e (512K, L2, 1.8GHz)
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English
20" Dell ST2010 Widescreen High Definition Monitor
8X DVD+/-RW Drive
4GB1 Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM2 at 800MHz- 2 DIMM
500GB3 7200 RPM4 SATA Hard Drive
ATI Radeon HD 4330 512 MB
Integrated 2.1 High Definition Audio
Dell 1397 802.11 b/g Wireless Card
1 Yr Ltd Hardware Warranty,5 InHome Service after Remote Diagnosis6 - Important Information
Save $128 off this Inspiron Zino HD Desktop


Starting Price $777

Total Savings $128


Subtotal $649 :)

Not bad at all :)

Inspiron Zino HD
AMD Athlon™ 2650e (512K L2, 1.6GHz)
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English
No Monitor
8X DVD+/-RW Drive
2GB1 Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM2 at 800MHz- 2 DIMM
250GB3 7200 RPM4 SATA Hard Drive
Integrated ATI Radeon HD3200 Graphics
Integrated 2.1 High Definition Audio
1 Yr Ltd Hardware Warranty,5 InHome Service after Remote Diagnosis6 - Important Information


Starting Price $229

bmstrong
Nov 12, 2009, 12:29 PM
Hmmm. Not bad at all...

dwl017
Nov 12, 2009, 01:37 PM
Hmmm. Not bad at all...

Not at all! in this economy the price is right in line. This will allow many homes that once could not afford a PC or Mac to have a fighting chance. The $229 price tag is outstanding. Only $649 with a 20" display!

$2,074.00


Mac Mini
2.26GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
4GB 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x2GB
500GB Serial ATA Drive
SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
Apple LED Cinema Display (24" flat panel)
Apple Mouse
Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad
User's Guide (English)

Mini DisplayPort to VGA Adapter

AppleCare Protection Plan for Mac mini - Auto-enroll

$2,074.00

mastershakess
Nov 12, 2009, 03:44 PM
$678 Seems like a killer to me
Genuine Windows Vista® Home Basic SP1, 32-Bit
AMD Dual Core Athlon™ Neo X2 6850e (1MB L2, 1.8GHz)
1 Yr Ltd Hardware Warranty, InHome Service after Remote Diagnosis - Important Information
McAfee SecurityCenter, 30-Day Trial
No Monitor
4GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz- 2 DIMM
500GB 7200 RPM SATA Hard Drive
Blu-ray Disc (BD) Combo (Reads BD and Writes to DVD/CD)
ATI Radeon HD 4330 512 MB
Integrated 2.1 High Definition Audio
Dell USB Entry Keyboard
Dell USB Optical Mouse
Dell 1520 802.11 b/g/n wireless card
Piano Black

DrewG5
Nov 12, 2009, 04:35 PM
http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/10/dells-inspiron-zino-hd-now-official-in-ireland/

Nope only Apple can out Apple.....Apple.

MacMini2009
Nov 12, 2009, 06:54 PM
Inspiron Zino HD
DVDRW, Upgraded graphics and 20" Panel
Add to Cart


Inspiron Zino HD
AMD Athlon™ 2850e (512K, L2, 1.8GHz)
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English
20" Dell ST2010 Widescreen High Definition Monitor
8X DVD+/-RW Drive
4GB1 Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM2 at 800MHz- 2 DIMM
500GB3 7200 RPM4 SATA Hard Drive
ATI Radeon HD 4330 512 MB
Integrated 2.1 High Definition Audio
Dell 1397 802.11 b/g Wireless Card
1 Yr Ltd Hardware Warranty,5 InHome Service after Remote Diagnosis6 - Important Information
Save $128 off this Inspiron Zino HD Desktop


Starting Price $777

Total Savings $128


Subtotal $649 :)

Not bad at all :)

Inspiron Zino HD
AMD Athlon™ 2650e (512K L2, 1.6GHz)
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English
No Monitor
8X DVD+/-RW Drive
2GB1 Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM2 at 800MHz- 2 DIMM
250GB3 7200 RPM4 SATA Hard Drive
Integrated ATI Radeon HD3200 Graphics
Integrated 2.1 High Definition Audio
1 Yr Ltd Hardware Warranty,5 InHome Service after Remote Diagnosis6 - Important Information


Starting Price $229

$2,074.00


Mac Mini
2.26GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
4GB 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x2GB
500GB Serial ATA Drive
SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
Apple LED Cinema Display (24" flat panel)
Apple Mouse
Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad
User's Guide (English)

Mini DisplayPort to VGA Adapter

AppleCare Protection Plan for Mac mini - Auto-enroll

$2,074.00

Then don't get a Mac Mini gosh!

EliteF50
Nov 12, 2009, 07:00 PM
It's no Mac Mini killer -- It's Dell version's of the Mac Mini...

MacHamster68
Nov 12, 2009, 08:53 PM
might be tempting even for people who would have choosen a mac mini , as the top model comes with a blue ray drive and the amd processor is not bad and as i mentioned it has overclocking potential rough guess on the 1.8 is + 50% stable as the amd`s had always a good reputation for when it comes to theire overclocking potential

63dot
Nov 12, 2009, 09:01 PM
It's no Mac Mini killer -- It's Dell version's of the Mac Mini...

That's a good point. Both can exist. There will be plenty of people who want a relatively cheap, small footprint machine that runs OS X. I like mine.

The only way the mini can be killed is if Apple pulls the plug on that model. Hopefully, Apple would have something better in the same demographic to replace it with.

When Apple ditched the Cube, I was sad knowing that a small desktop was important. But when the mini came out, I totally forgot about the Cube. :)

gkarris
Nov 12, 2009, 09:19 PM
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/11/inspiron-zino-hd-press_5.jpg

I've seen a computer like this somewhere else before but I just can't seem to place it...

:eek:

topmounter
Nov 12, 2009, 09:30 PM
That Dell is pretty sweet... Blu-ray, HDMI and you stick Boxee on that thing for under US$400? Very nice.

The Mini is at a disadvantage since it doesn't have HDMI (and can it access the same HD iTunes Store content as the AppleTV now?)

You can buy the Dell AND an AppleTV (which has HDMI and can play HD iTunes Movie content) for about the same price as a Mini (which still comes up short feature-wise).

I feel like Apple is SOOOOO close to nailing this segment, if they could just make a premium AppleTV (current AppleTV + Mini) and somehow integrate the App Store ecosystem for games and such (more family and party games, not a competitor to proper game consoles). If they can get the iTunes HD movie rentals right, then Bluray isn't such a big deal, especially since stand-alone BRD players are going to be at $50 very soon.

MacHamster68
Nov 12, 2009, 09:33 PM
Processor

AMD X2 6850E 1.8GHz 512k

Video Card

ATI Radeon™ HD 4330 512MB graphics

Memory

6144MB Dual Channel DDR2 800MHz [1x2048 + 1x4096] Memory

Hard Drive

1TB (7200rpm) SATA Hard Drive

Optical Devices

Blu-Ray ROM Drive (read/write CD/DVD & read Blu-Ray Disc)

Front Ports
Two USB 2.0 connectors
One headphone connector
One 4-in-1 memory card reader

Rear Ports
One microphOne connector
One line-out connector
One VGA connector
One RJ45 connector (10/100/1000)
two USB 2.0-compliant connectors
two eSATA connectors
one HDMI connector



thats what you get for £ 719 from dell

mac mini

2.26 ghz ok is a bit faster

memory is max 4gb

harddrive is max 500gb

superdrive no blue ray option

thats what you get from apple for £739


ok there is the mini with 2.53ghz the faster processor option for £ 859

not to mention you need some ££ more at the mini if you want windows 7 too , and as i understand the posts across the forum not many want to miss windows 7 on their mac any longer

ok i like the mini , and the design of the mini , just looks good and i don`t need windows 7

but the dell has its plus points ..

jmonfire
Nov 13, 2009, 02:40 AM
Poor Dell...must really be running out of ideas to create a carbon copy of mac mini and put a Dell lid on it.
Maybe at least make it a circle shaped? maybe pentagon?? sigh

mtnDewFTW
Nov 13, 2009, 02:51 AM
Do I smell a lawsuit?
It looks like Dell pretty much copied exactly what Mac Mini is lol.
oh I can already see Apple suing them.. maybe?

MacHamster68
Nov 13, 2009, 05:51 AM
Do I smell a lawsuit?
It looks like Dell pretty much copied exactly what Mac Mini is lol.
oh I can already see Apple suing them.. maybe?

no apple wont i quess they had a agreement at least that would explain why dell has choosen the amd processor and not like in their other desktops intel

but it was a wise choice as the athlon neo (thats how amd is calling him) is one step above the intel atom

Pak^Man
Nov 13, 2009, 08:47 AM
The question is, how capable is the (top end) GPU? With the AMD processor and this GPU, could one consider this a decent backup gaming platform.... key word being decent??

That could turn me into a possible buyer.....

Do I smell a lawsuit?
It looks like Dell pretty much copied exactly what Mac Mini is lol.
oh I can already see Apple suing them.. maybe?

Of course not.... what would the lawsuit be based on? You cant trademark a Box..... there are similar looking tins you can buy chocolates in :p

mastershakess
Nov 13, 2009, 08:54 AM
The question is, how capable is the (top end) GPU? With the AMD processor and this GPU, could one consider this a decent backup gaming platform.... key word being decent??

That could turn me into a possible buyer.....

Benchmarks at :
http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-ATI-Mobility-Radeon-HD-4330.13973.0.html

GAME BENCHMARKS

Crysis - GPU Benchmark (2007)
low: 30.7 fps
med.: 17 21 ~ 19 fps
high: 9.6 fps

Crysis - CPU Benchmark (2007)
low: 28.1 fps
med.: 14.3 fps
high: 7.9 fps»

F.E.A.R. (2005)
low: 228 fps
med.: 70 fps
high: 23 fps

Quake 3 Arena - Timedemo (1999)
high: 314.5 fps»

sejong
Nov 13, 2009, 09:54 AM
What boot process does the Zino HD use: BIOS, EFI, or UEFI?

Pak^Man
Nov 13, 2009, 09:59 AM
Thanks mastershakess!!

MonkeyET
Nov 13, 2009, 09:56 PM
How can this be a Mini killer. They can sell notebooks for $349.99 but the price and supposed feature don't deter someone who know what they are doing from buying a Mac. Having the features and a low price does not mean it is better. My iMac runs so much quicker that computers I have seen with way better specs. Difference being a nifty little thing called OS X...:apple:

MacHamster68
Nov 13, 2009, 10:34 PM
yes of course osx is better and faster then windows 7 , but nobody buys a mini or a dell zino because he wants a fast computer or? in most cases they run both windows 7 most of the time nowadays :eek:

gkarris
Nov 14, 2009, 09:41 AM
The question is, how capable is the (top end) GPU? With the AMD processor and this GPU, could one consider this a decent backup gaming platform.... key word being decent??

That could turn me into a possible buyer.....

Older games like Quake 3 and Starcraft, etc.... yes.

New games on a computer with a smaller form factor than an XB360 or PS3? Doubtful - you can't fit the necessary GPU/Cooling system in there...

HellDiverUK
Nov 14, 2009, 09:47 AM
Somehow I think my Mini may have a distinct performance advantage over the Dell Draino.

MacMini2009
Nov 14, 2009, 12:25 PM
Somehow I think my Mini may have a distinct performance advantage over the Dell Draino.

Mac Mini > Dell ZEEEENOO

63dot
Nov 14, 2009, 12:47 PM
How can this be a Mini killer. They can sell notebooks for $349.99 but the price and supposed feature don't deter someone who know what they are doing from buying a Mac. Having the features and a low price does not mean it is better. My iMac runs so much quicker that computers I have seen with way better specs. Difference being a nifty little thing called OS X...:apple:

If what you are doing is wanting a solid computer with a great customer service record, get the reasonably priced mini. I love mine.

However, if your only goal is the buy the least expensive small mini type computer the Dell will probably be just OK. As for OS X, there are ways, on this site in detail, where you can install it on any PC. Of course, you lose the support of OS X in any PC or Mac clone. And when you add the price of OS X with the Dell mini type machine, then the savings does not look so dramatic. It then comes down to bragging rights among geeks that can say, "I have a mini type computer from Dell that I put OS X on, and the thing runs great and I did it cheaper than any company out there."

At this price range, go with the Mac mini. But I can see somebody wanting an often described netbook for limited purposes with OS X as has been hashed out here on Macrumors.

lasuther
Nov 14, 2009, 03:15 PM
Honestly, I thought the new 21.5" iMac is the mac mini killer. That Dell looks pretty good though for people who want to set up a computer to the TV. Why pay for design and development when you can steal Apples.

archipellago
Nov 14, 2009, 04:49 PM
from a sales point of view it is likely that this is already a mac mini killer.

Apple only sell roughly 4m desktop computers worldwide per year..split between minis imacs and pros.

lets keep some perspective.

Krafty
Nov 18, 2009, 11:44 AM
Looks like a handy thing to keep next to my Mini & maybe another Acer H233H 23" to go with it. Hmmm....

300D
Nov 18, 2009, 12:22 PM
Seriously, a single core 1.6ghz desktop machine for $430 in this day and age? Are Dell customers retarded? Why would anyone ever consider buying that piece of 2002 technology? :confused:

This is exactly why Apple refuses to sell a sub-$500 machine, they are piles of cr@p.

redmac
Nov 18, 2009, 05:50 PM
I am waiting for Black Friday to buy a Mac Mini base model for my living room to use as a HTPC. When I saw the Dell I seriously considered about getting one. I already have a bluray player so I only need something that is powerful enough to handle Hulu. Zino starts from little over $200 but to configure it for my needs rises the cost to something in $500-$600 range. Even then I won't be able to use it with my Logitech Harmony universal remote since it doesn't have an option for IR sensor.

Nowadays most people buy those mini desktop PCs to use as HTPCs and for that purpose Mac Mini is the best option on the market. If you go with Dell you'll either end up buying something very underpowered or something as expensive but still underpowered. And in either case you will end up keeping a bluetooth keyboard and mouse on your coffee table (and of course, not having OS X or Plex or iLife).

coast1ja
Nov 18, 2009, 08:27 PM
their processor choice leaves me scratching my head.

why??? They are equivalent to the single and dual core Atom CPUs with the Nvidia ION chipset. I know they're not as fast as those in the Mac Mini, but it also costs half (if not less) as much and can act as an HTPC just fine! I think it's a smart choice.

coast1ja
Nov 18, 2009, 08:30 PM
There have also been other attempts to 'kill' the Mac Mini... but few have been at all successful. One that comes to mind is the Shuttle X100 and X200... they were, in many respects, superior to the mac mini, but they were also more expensive.

I think the Dell Zino HD has the best shot at giving the Mini some real competition.

MacHamster68
Nov 18, 2009, 10:53 PM
your assumption the atom and the amd`s are equal is only partly true , ok the middle amd is just a notch better , but the top model is quiet a step upwards and comes with ati graphics
and not the nvidia ion onboard ,but then the price is nearly equal to the mac mini (basic model full upgrade that is ) ,
and for people who want blue ray and windows 7 there is no choice as the top zino offers this as standard,
but for people like me who see windows only sometimes unavoidable the mini is the better choice

(still have my old windows 2000 which does what i may need windows for, have it installed under Q as a guest pc on my iMac g3 600 which works fine for me :rolleyes: )