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MacRumors
Nov 12, 2009, 03:28 PM
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Macworld reports (http://www.macworld.com/article/143822/2009/11/undercover_15.html) that Orbicule has updated its Undercover (http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2009/04/16/orbicules-undercover-comes-to-iphone/) [App Store (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/undercover/id310700088?mt=8), $4.99] theft recovery application for the iPhone and iPod touch to include a tool that utilizes push notifications to entice thieves into opening the application to allow it to transmit the device's location to Orbicule's recovery center.Now you have the ability to send push notifications with any message of your choosing directly to the iPhone - yes, just like MobileMe. But the comparisons end there. You can make the messages as enticing as you want - say, by having them pretend to be a notification from your bank account.

If the crook chooses to view the push notification, Undercover will launch, disguised either as a game that's taking its sweet time to load or loading any Website of your choosing, such as the aforementioned bank's. While the thief is distracted, Undercover will be happy to save the device's GPS coordinates and IP address to Orbicule's Website. Each time that Undercover launches, it will save a new set of coordinates that you can view in Google Maps. They'll also be sent directly to any police officer you've contacted to work on the case and registered in Orbicule's Undercover Center.Orbicule has also posted a video preview of Undercover demonstrating the new push notification feature.



Article Link: Undercover 1.5 Adds Push Notification Tool to iPhone Theft Recovery App (http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2009/11/12/undercover-1-5-adds-push-notification-tool-to-iphone-theft-recovery-app/)



appleguy123
Nov 12, 2009, 04:02 PM
Does it have to ask the thief if they would like to show their location?

dwman
Nov 12, 2009, 04:19 PM
Neat app, but all you need to do is safeguard your phone using a 4 digit passcode and they would never even get to the home screen.

MTShipp
Nov 12, 2009, 04:33 PM
Most thieves would know to pop the SIM immediately upon heisting the device.

optophobia
Nov 12, 2009, 04:39 PM
Does it have to ask the thief if they would like to show their location?

Interesting question. And I'd like to know the answer too. Although I am assuming if you have launched the app

BeyondtheTech
Nov 12, 2009, 04:49 PM
Interesting concept, but the Push Notification shows "Undercover" as the application. I don't know if that's good to show, but I don't know if they have control over showing that or not, or naming it something else.

JBaker122586
Nov 12, 2009, 04:52 PM
So...
It's basically a worse MobileMe.
Got it.

wackymacky
Nov 12, 2009, 05:20 PM
So Apple is endosing an App that puts up a fake pop up, to get you to click on it, enabling the App to preform a subterfuge operation.

Basicly it is "legit" trojan

could another App developer hide a simular function in An App that they push through a pop up that does harm?

ob81
Nov 12, 2009, 05:32 PM
So Apple is endosing an App that puts up a fake pop up, to get you to click on it, enabling the App to preform a subterfuge operation.

Basicly it is "legit" trojan

could another App developer hide a simular function in An App that they push through a pop up that does harm?

GREAT question. Wow. I wasn't even thinking like this.

kiljoy616
Nov 12, 2009, 05:52 PM
I like the app, the girl is also hot good reason to put her on the video, hehe. :D

App for me would be more for knowing where your kids are than a thief, though I would say a good percentage of thief's will not know to pop out the sim card. If they are that sophisticated then they are in a different level than what this software could do. For that level of thief you would need this to be hidden and secured in a way that even if they put it thru itune or took out the SIM card once a new SIM card was put in even if it was someone else it would still work.

Yes I know way over what the cost of this app. I would say parents and maybe student who forget where they left their phone or maybe a bum on the street who steels it and does not get the chance to think to much about it. I like to see the app been able to run on the back side but apple I figure would go ballistic. :eek:

appleguy123
Nov 12, 2009, 05:54 PM
So...
It's basically a worse MobileMe.
Got it.

Yes, A worse mobile me, that doesn't cost $99 a year for stuff that you can find much cheaper elsewhere.

MinuteDreamer
Nov 12, 2009, 07:00 PM
So Apple is endosing an App that puts up a fake pop up, to get you to click on it, enabling the App to preform a subterfuge operation.

Basicly it is "legit" trojan

could another App developer hide a simular function in An App that they push through a pop up that does harm?

Short answer: No.

Long answer: Noooooooo.

More powerful less clunky solution for jailbroken iPhones: http://www.ilocalis.com/

Surely
Nov 12, 2009, 07:37 PM
So...
It's basically a worse MobileMe.
Got it.

Is that all MobileMe does? Seems like a rip-off for $99 a year.

:rolleyes:

bar1967
Nov 12, 2009, 08:56 PM
Neat app, but all you need to do is safeguard your phone using a 4 digit passcode and they would never even get to the home screen.

except one HUGE flaw with password is you can turn off a phone without having to enter a password. That is a must fix for a future OS release! I have learned the hard way. With in minutes of my phone being stolen (with password on) it was turned off and I assume SIM card ejected. Come to think of it, too bad there isn't a way to not eject SIM card with password on but I guess that is going a bit too far.

Watabou
Nov 12, 2009, 10:06 PM
Neat app, but all you need to do is safeguard your phone using a 4 digit passcode and they would never even get to the home screen.

People know how to easily bypass the passcode these days. The passcode doesn't really help. It just keeps the really dumb ones away.

FSUSem1noles
Nov 12, 2009, 10:24 PM
I love how the push notification that gets sent says "Undercover" :confused:

Can that be changed or taken out..

kjs862
Nov 13, 2009, 01:40 AM
Pretty nice given its relative low price point

iphones4evry1
Nov 13, 2009, 01:42 AM
Most thieves would know to pop the SIM immediately upon heisting the device.

I disagree. I would say that 49% of iPhone thefts are professional thieves that already have their own iPhone and will immediately power off and rip the SIM out of the stolen phone, but the other 49% are most-likely people that have never had an iPhone and just want to "joy ride" it. If this software can track down HALF of stolen iPhones, it is a success compared to the current status quo.
(although I MUCH prefer the Mobile Me version where you can actually follow them in your car, on your laptop computer :) :apple: )

Willis
Nov 13, 2009, 05:17 AM
Surely it wouldn't matter if you take the sim out or not. I think it registers the phones IMEI number and general hardware details as push notifications don't come by texts. ;)

lloydte
Nov 13, 2009, 05:29 AM
I disagree. I would say that 49% of iPhone thefts are professional thieves that already have their own iPhone and will immediately power off and rip the SIM out of the stolen phone, but the other 49% are most-likely people that have never had an iPhone and just want to "joy ride" it. If this software can track down HALF of stolen iPhones, it is a success compared to the current status quo.
(although I MUCH prefer the Mobile Me version where you can actually follow them in your car, on your laptop computer :) :apple: )


Interesting post. You have any evidence to support those figures? Would be interested to know your source, assuming you didn't just make them up of course. Also wondered about the other 2%, do they eat the phone?

SarahPalin
Nov 13, 2009, 09:22 AM
I like the app, the girl is also hot good reason to put her on the video, hehe. :D


And her name is "Trekker" -- that's just too good. Makes me want to re-enlist at Starfleet Academy.

alfmil
Nov 13, 2009, 09:24 AM
Is that all MobileMe does? Seems like a rip-off for $99 a year.

:rolleyes:

Yeah sending your iPhone messages begging the perp to give it back and remote wipe is ok and all, but I am waiting for MobileMe to feature remote initiated self-destruct! :D

MinuteDreamer
Nov 13, 2009, 09:39 AM
People know how to easily bypass the passcode these days. The passcode doesn't really help. It just keeps the really dumb ones away.

Waait, how easy is it to bypass the passcode?

After a quick google search, it seems to indicate that you can bypass the passcode, but only by wiping out all the data on the phone. Is that what you mean?

Being able to bypass the passcode and leave the data intact would be a huge problem for identify theft. But if they can only get there by wiping out your phone, that would be bad, but not nearly as terrible.

bytethese
Nov 13, 2009, 10:18 AM
Yes, A worse mobile me, that doesn't cost $99 a year for stuff that you can find much cheaper elsewhere.

I didn't realize that I was paying $99/yr only for the ability to get back a lost iPhone. I thought I had web space, iDisk, pic galleries, push email, wireless contact and calendar syncing, system settings backup, etc. Stupid me. :)
Waait, how easy is it to bypass the passcode?

After a quick google search, it seems to indicate that you can bypass the passcode, but only by wiping out all the data on the phone. Is that what you mean?

Being able to bypass the passcode and leave the data intact would be a huge problem for identify theft. But if they can only get there by wiping out your phone, that would be bad, but not nearly as terrible.
Not easy for your avg thief, but "easy" for a forensic analyst to bypass. :)

MinuteDreamer
Nov 14, 2009, 07:21 AM
Waait, how easy is it to bypass the passcode?

After a quick google search, it seems to indicate that you can bypass the passcode, but only by wiping out all the data on the phone. Is that what you mean?

Being able to bypass the passcode and leave the data intact would be a huge problem for identify theft. But if they can only get there by wiping out your phone, that would be bad, but not nearly as terrible.


Not easy for your avg thief, but "easy" for a forensic analyst to bypass. :)

Can you be less vague? Are we talking about some guy with a laptop and a USB cable or are talking about someone with a logic probe?

bytethese
Nov 14, 2009, 07:44 AM
Can you be less vague? Are we talking about some guy with a laptop and a USB cable or are talking about someone with a logic probe?

Yes, I could actually. I'm talking knowledge, laptop and USB cable. Perhaps you should read iPhone Forensics. :)

alo4q
Nov 14, 2009, 07:56 AM
Yes, I could actually. I'm talking knowledge, laptop and USB cable. Perhaps you should read iPhone Forensics. :)

if i find a iphone i dont care about is inf. all i know is that i have a new iphone that i did not paid for :D:D

RedTomato
Nov 17, 2009, 03:18 AM
Most thieves are people looking for a quick opportunity.

Most are also druggies looking for something to sell quickly to feed their next shot. They don't have time for anything complicated or difficult.

I'm going by official police figures here, but interviews with ex-cons and reformed serial thieves also support this.

Raising the bar slightly will cut out a lot of problems. Basic stuff like:

- keeping your phone out of sight and in a safe / zipped pocket when you're not actively using it,
- not using it in dodgy places or when getting on or off public transport,
- not using it or when you are busy doing something distracting like unlocking your front door or getting into a car or using an ATM

will go a long way. It's a lot less hassle to not have your phone stolen in the first place, than have it stolen and go through all the hassle of using this app, liasing with police etc.

That said, I might look into buying this app, but I won't pin all my hopes on it.