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tech4all
Jul 29, 2004, 01:58 AM
Ok why is that when I press, SHIFT + OPTION + K, in the area where I am typing this post the Apple logo appears ok. But when you preview and submit the post you get a "?".


Should be Apple logo --> ?

Kingsnapped
Jul 29, 2004, 02:07 AM
???????????????????

...Very cool.

Belly-laughs
Jul 29, 2004, 03:28 AM
Ok why is that when I press, SHIFT + OPTION + K, in the area where I am typing this post the Apple logo appears ok. But when you preview and submit the post you get a "?".


Should be Apple logo --> ?

You mean this?

Finiksa
Jul 29, 2004, 04:46 AM
Ok why is that when I press, SHIFT + OPTION + K, in the area where I am typing this post the Apple logo appears ok. But when you preview and submit the post you get a "?".

vBulletin, as it's set up here, doesn't support encoding of strange special characters like the Apple logo. So the database just replaces the characters with a question mark.

Doctor Q
Jul 30, 2004, 01:38 AM


If you give me $637.43, I'll tell you how I did it.

themadchemist
Jul 30, 2004, 08:15 AM


If you give me $637.43, I'll tell you how I did it.

Look, rufus, there's a man with a magic box! By golly, that right there must be the specialest thing I ever did see. Yessiree, go get ma, pa, and little Suzy Anne, we're lookin' at a miracle here!

tomf87
Jul 30, 2004, 08:31 AM
Interesting.. Please do explain Dr Q.

kjwebb
Jul 30, 2004, 09:39 AM
I know in Windows for Apple Garamond and Baskerville (just to name a few), the code that appears in Character Map is U+F8FF.

MongoTheGeek
Jul 30, 2004, 10:11 AM
I have a guess...




Show source is your friend.


Doctor Q
Jul 30, 2004, 10:37 AM
The Unicode code for the Apple symbol is 63743 (the dollar and cents number in my post - get it? :) ), so if you type  in your post, it'll come out as a .

This will work if you then click the Submit Reply button. However, if you click the Preview Post button, the  will turn into an  symbol in the Preview display, and you must then change the  back into  before you click Submit Reply, or it will come out as a question mark.

I had to do this a few times myself while previewing this post to make sure it came out right!

You can find the codes for this and other characters, such as ⌘ or ⌥, in The HTML Document Character Set (http://www.natural-innovations.com/wa/doc-charset.html).

neoelectronaut
Jul 30, 2004, 11:44 AM
To this day I don't know what the symbol after the command symbol means.

zarathustra
Jul 30, 2004, 12:08 PM
To this day I don't know what the symbol after the command symbol means.

It's "OPTION" or "ALT".

Doctor Q
Jul 30, 2004, 12:09 PM
To this day I don't know what the symbol after the command symbol means.If you mean ⌥, it's the symbol for the option key. Why? I've always wondered. It doesn't look like an option to me. On the other hand, what does an option look like? Maybe the symbol [] could have been used, since square brackets often mean optional in extended BNF and other syntax notations. But it's no use second guessing. Apple chose ⌥ and that's what we get.

If you are using Safari, look in the menus and you'll see the ⌥ symbol used (along with ⌘ for menu choices like Bookmarks->Show All Bookmarks. At least for ⌘ the symbol is on the keytop so you won't have trouble remembering which key it refers to!

kaylie_kipe
Aug 1, 2004, 01:54 PM
But I can't get it to work...too bad for me.

Doctor Q
Aug 1, 2004, 01:57 PM
But I can't get it to work...too bad for me.What did you try and what happened when you tried it?

Doctor Q
Aug 1, 2004, 02:08 PM
My post above didn't come out right, so I'll try again.

The Unicode code for the Apple symbol is 63743, so if you type this sequence:

& # 6 3 7 4 3 ;

it should come out as a .

Nermal
Aug 3, 2004, 02:53 AM
⌥ looks like a 'switch' or an 'option' :)

mkaake
Aug 3, 2004, 09:30 AM
i deff. need to look at this again when i'm home from work on my mac... right now all of the special characters show up as a blank box... making the entire thread that much more amusing...

BurtonCCC
Jun 6, 2005, 10:54 PM
I'm still not following this... I just can't get it...

Can this be used on all sites? And it's only viewable by people with Macs?

Daniel

Doctor Q
Jun 7, 2005, 02:33 AM
I'm still not following this... I just can't get it...

Can this be used on all sites? And it's only viewable by people with Macs?

DanielAny web page on any web site can use HTML containing the 8-character sequence & # 6 3 7 4 3 ; (but without the intervening spaces) to specify the Apple logo symbol. Whether it displays properly in a particular user's web browser does not depend on the platform, but it does depend on (1) whether that web browser understands Unicode (most do these days) and (2) whether that system has a font available that contains that particular glyph (which means the shape of the Apple logo symbol).

pseudobrit
Jun 7, 2005, 07:41 AM
I'm still not following this... I just can't get it...

Can this be used on all sites? And it's only viewable by people with Macs?

Daniel

OMG, you don't have a Mac? You know that without a Mac, you can only see like 15% of what gets posted, right? We usually write in Mac-only fonts; on a Windows machine it doesn't appear at all.

There are thousands of threads you can't even see to click on, man! Quick! Run out and buy up an iMac for godssakes!

skunk
Jun 7, 2005, 07:52 AM
There are thousands of threads you can't even see to click on, man!"The Emperor's New Threads"?
:D

Mitthrawnuruodo
Jun 7, 2005, 08:07 AM
You can find the codes for this and other characters, such as ? or ?, in The HTML Document Character Set (http://www.natural-innovations.com/wa/doc-charset.html).Thanks! I've been looking for a complete set for a while now... :)

PS! Why is this in the Community forum and not Web Design?

☮, man... ;)

efoto
Jun 7, 2005, 08:52 AM
OMG, you don't have a Mac? You know that without a Mac, you can only see like 15% of what gets posted, right? We usually write in Mac-only fonts; on a Windows machine it doesn't appear at all.

There are thousands of threads you can't even see to click on, man! Quick! Run out and buy up an iMac for godssakes!

LMFAO! Thats great, glad I can see all of those 'special threads', they ALWAYS have THE BEST content and insider news :p

Thanks for the know-how Dr. Q, fun stuff 

Wanted to try another: þ

efoto
Jun 7, 2005, 08:58 AM
Any web page on any web site can use HTML containing the 8-character sequence & # 6 3 7 4 3 ; (but without the intervening spaces) to specify the Apple logo symbol. Whether it displays properly in a particular user's web browser does not depend on the platform, but it does depend on (1) whether that web browser understands Unicode (most do these days) and (2) whether that system has a font available that contains that particular glyph (which means the shape of the Apple logo symbol).

I'm assuming this works not only for 8-char but also for 5/6 char as well correct?


Sharewaredemon
Jun 7, 2005, 09:05 AM
Oh Doctor Q and you mysteriousness


Doctor Q
Jun 7, 2005, 05:02 PM
PS! Why is this in the Community forum and not Web Design?It's actually in Site and Forum Feedback now, based on the original question, even though the answer had to do with HTML in general.

StarbucksSam
Jun 7, 2005, 05:33 PM
The Unicode code for the Apple symbol is 63743 (the dollar and cents number in my post - get it? :) ), so if you type  in your post, it'll come out as a ?.

This will work if you then click the Submit Reply button. However, if you click the Preview Post button, the  will turn into an ? symbol in the Preview display, and you must then change the ? back into  before you click Submit Reply, or it will come out as a question mark.

I had to do this a few times myself while previewing this post to make sure it came out right!

You can find the codes for this and other characters, such as ? or ?, in The HTML Document Character Set (http://www.natural-innovations.com/wa/doc-charset.html).

Wow. That has got to be the best and most thorough explanation I've ever heard on these forums. I condemn you.

Edit: I meant commend. Not condemn. That's my Bushism for the ... century.

jimsowden
Jun 7, 2005, 05:58 PM
Interesting.. Please do explain Dr Q.
WTF is guest?

Doctor Q
Jun 7, 2005, 06:14 PM
WTF is guest?Another question I can help with!

"Guest" membership means someone whose registration was never completed, or whose membership was removed but the member was not banned. In this particular case, it applies to a member who would not be further participating in the forums and therefore asked us for the change. It is used to ensure that the posts remain and the member is not left with a stigma, even though their membership is no longer active.

In general, "guesting" might be used if a member wanted to disable a membership because it was shared (say by a husband and wife) who would no longer be sharing it or wanted to replace it with personal memberships, if a member somehow ended up with two memberships in error, if a member signed a nondisclosure agreement with their employer that required them not to participate in these forums, or for other personal reasons.

You may find "Guest" memberships in very old archive posts too, since members could post at MacRumors without joining in the days of the dinosaurs.

Apple
Jun 7, 2005, 07:19 PM
Well, with all these new features that you guys just uncovered we can be sure to expect some crazy signatures!!


mac-er
Jun 7, 2005, 07:28 PM
???????????????????

...Very cool.

Kingsnapped....what is that in your mouth in your avatar?
:confused:

njmac
Jun 7, 2005, 08:11 PM
didn't work for me.... still trying

njmac
Jun 7, 2005, 08:17 PM
 got it, thanks. :D

mkrishnan
Jun 7, 2005, 08:18 PM
Scroll up to reply #16...and type in the boldfaced text without any spaces, starting with the '&' and ending with the ';'. 'Tis easy. And check the sig! :cool:

sluthy
Jun 8, 2005, 05:09 AM
I'm in Firefox, and I'm seeing nothing but question marks in every single post here so far...?

efoto
Jun 8, 2005, 06:15 AM
I'm in Firefox, and I'm seeing nothing but question marks in every single post here so far...?

Everything shows up fine for me (using FireFox 1.0.4 on Mac OSX 10.3.9). Not sure what the issues might be for you.



Copy/Paste even works which is somewhat surprising.

Edit: Copy/Paste of the special characters I mean....like the image above...copy/pasted fine.

Platform
Jun 8, 2005, 07:40 AM
Coool, although I can't get the apple logo to work... :rolleyes: :D

Sharewaredemon
Jun 8, 2005, 08:03 AM
Kingsnapped....what is that in your mouth in your avatar?
:confused:

It's his iPod, once someone tells you that, it's plainly obvious, of course, I didn't know what it was until he said it.

tangerineyum
Jun 8, 2005, 10:41 AM
I'm in Firefox, and I'm seeing nothing but question marks in every single post here so far...?


im on firefox on my work pc and i too am seeing nothing but question marks in every post.

efoto
Jun 8, 2005, 10:53 AM
im on firefox on my work pc and i too am seeing nothing but question marks in every post.

Maybe it is a FireFox/PC issue, who knows. I am having zero problems on FireFox and Mac....of course this is probably more fun than anything else so unless you have a requirement for these symbols its probably not a huge deal. Things like this would keep me up at night, but thats me.
"Why do their computers work and mine doesn't? What could I change/download/alter/adapt to make it work? etc etc etc snore....."

BurtonCCC
Jun 9, 2005, 02:56 PM
I'm on a PowerBook... why did you think I didn't have one...?

Daniel

mkrishnan
Jun 9, 2005, 08:54 PM
I'm on a PowerBook... why did you think I didn't have one...?

Daniel

Probably because you asked it if only worked on Macs or not. In either event, the answer is no. ;)

MyLeftNut
Jun 13, 2005, 09:32 PM
Sorry for the offtopic - efoto who is that in your avatar, shes gorgeous... :p oops sorry forget that, just saw the sig...

dotdotdot
Jun 13, 2005, 10:42 PM


Is there one for the Windows flag?

sacear
Jun 14, 2005, 01:48 AM
im on firefox on my work pc and i too am seeing nothing but question marks in every post.Must be the Mac only fonts! ;) :D

⌥ ⌘ 

iZach
Jun 18, 2005, 03:11 PM

devilot
Jun 18, 2005, 09:10 PM
bummer. I can't seem to get it to work.

javabear90
Jun 18, 2005, 09:48 PM
too bad the apples don't work in windows :(

devilot
Jun 22, 2005, 02:58 PM
 yaaaaaaaaaaaaay!

Zenith
Jun 22, 2005, 03:40 PM
If you mean ?, it's the symbol for the option key. Why? I've always wondered. It doesn't look like an option to me. On the other hand, what does an option look like? Maybe the symbol [] could have been used, since square brackets often mean optional in extended BNF and other syntax notations. But it's no use second guessing. Apple chose ? and that's what we get.


A thought immediately came to my mind regarding that symbol when I read this post. Isn't it obvious that the symbol represents an optional path? The horizontal line represent one choice and it is broken, meaning that you chose an optional path or choice.

Doctor Q
Jun 22, 2005, 06:40 PM
A thought immediately came to my mind regarding that symbol when I read this post. Isn't it obvious that the symbol represents an optional path? The horizontal line represent one choice and it is broken, meaning that you chose an optional path or choice.You are responding to a post I made almost a year ago!

Since then, I've decided that the Option symbol represents a switch as in an electrical circuit. Optional parameters in a command shell are often called switches, so the words "option" and "switch" can mean the same thing, as least to Unix geeks.

Below is a drawing I made of a random section of a circuit, with a rectangle drawn around a single pole double throw switch, which I think is what the Option symbol represents. Compare it to

and see what you think!

mkrishnan
Jun 22, 2005, 06:45 PM
Below is a drawing I made of a random section of a circuit, with a rectangle drawn around the "switch" part that I think the Option symbol represents.

Wow...I'm totally familiar with the switch symbol you're talking about, and have seen them many times, and honestly never noticed the similarity of the Apple symbol before. I think because it's so squished, at least onscreen (and it doesn't appear on my keyboard anywhere, so I'm not so so intimately familiar with how it looks in print).

Here's a random picture off the web:

http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/images/swabc.gif

I can totally see it now that you pointed it out. It would've been neat if they called the key switch instead of option. :D

sacear
Jun 22, 2005, 07:44 PM
Wow...I'm totally familiar with the switch symbol you're talking about, and have seen them many times, and honestly never noticed the similarity of the Apple symbol before. I think because it's so squished, at least onscreen (and it doesn't appear on my keyboard anywhere, so I'm not so so intimately familiar with how it looks in print).

I can totally see it now that you pointed it out. It would've been neat if they called the key switch instead of option. :DYes, but I think the general public (not familiar with switches) would be confused by switch, yet most people know an option means a secondary choice.

The option symbol does not appear on my PowerBook Pismo keyboard either, just the word option typed out on the two option keys (or switches actually ;) .

Doctor Q
Jun 22, 2005, 08:23 PM
The option symbol does not appear on my PowerBook Pismo keyboardWhich brings up a good question: Why doesn't Apple put the shift, control, and option symbols on the keytops, to reinforce the connection with the symbols shown in menus, as they do for the command key?

If fact, why not use symbols on tab and caps lock too? And while we're at it, put the word "command" on the command key since the other keys have their English names on them.

Here's a mockup with names and symbols on each of the keys. I didn't put much thought into the best symbols for tab and caps lock (they're like the ones in Keyboard Viewer), but you should get the idea. And we'd have to do something about "command" being a little too long in the point size used on other keys.

G5Unit
Jun 22, 2005, 08:28 PM
? I did it before but now it dosen't work no more.

sacear
Jun 22, 2005, 09:04 PM
Which brings up a good question: Why doesn't Apple put the shift, control, and option symbols on the keytops, to reinforce the connection with the symbols shown in menus, as they do for the command key?

If fact, why not use symbols on tab and caps lock too? And while we're at it, put the word "command" on the command key since the other keys have their English names on them.

Here's a mockup with names and symbols on each of the keys. I didn't put much thought into the best symbols for tab and caps lock (they're like the ones in Keyboard Viewer), but you should get the idea. And we'd have to do something about "command" being a little too long in the point size used on other keys.Yes, why indeed? Also, why haven't I thought of that before? More importantly, why hasn't Apple thought of that before. That makes so much sense, labeling the keys with symbols and words. Simple, yet genius.

Well command could be cmd, as control is ctrl on my PowerBook.

mkrishnan
Jun 22, 2005, 09:12 PM
Yes, why indeed? Also, why haven't I thought of that before? More importantly, why hasn't Apple thought of that before. That makes so much sense, labeling the keys with symbols and words. Simple, yet genius.

Stranger still, my impression is that for *some* localizations, they *do*. IIRC, the UK keyboard *does* have the symbol on the key, and in fact doesn't have ALT on the key.

sacear
Jun 22, 2005, 09:24 PM
Stranger still, my impression is that for *some* localizations, they *do*. IIRC, the UK keyboard *does* have the symbol on the key, and in fact doesn't have ALT on the key.Hmm, interesting. Can any UK Mac users confirm or deny this please? :)

TIA.

Edit:
I did find this image (http://www.cmsa.wmin.ac.uk/~alan/3mts307/graphics/mac-keyboard2.jpg).
Which is backwards, or is that how British keyboards are? :p ;) :D
Anyway, it has symbols but no words, except for control and esc.

Doctor Q
Jun 22, 2005, 10:57 PM
Myspacebarisn'tlabeled.HowamIexpectedtoknowwhentouseit?;)

sacear
Jun 23, 2005, 01:13 AM
Myspacebarisn'tlabeled.HowamIexpectedtoknowwhentouseit?;)Yeah, what does a space symbol look like? :rolleyes: :p ;) :D

That is a good point tho'. The only time I look at the keyboard is when I am not typing. I never look at the keyboard while typing, so actually I don't need the symbols or the letters. :cool:

Yet for those that don't know what keys the symbols for keyboard equivalents correspond to in the pull-down menus, then having the symbols on the keys would be helpful. :)

Elijahg
Jun 23, 2005, 04:54 AM
Hmm, interesting. Can any UK Mac users confirm or deny this please? :)

TIA.

Edit:
I did find this image (http://www.cmsa.wmin.ac.uk/~alan/3mts307/graphics/mac-keyboard2.jpg).
Which is backwards, or is that how British keyboards are? :p ;) :D
Anyway, it has symbols but no words, except for control and esc.

My new Apple British keyboard has an @ above the 2 and a € sign on it too. The caps lock key has an arrow like the shift key's arrow on it, with a rectangle under the base of the arrow.

Control is labeled with "ctrl", the option button has "alt" and ? on it, while command has ? and ? on it. Tab has a horizontal arrow with a vertical line at the point of the arrow.

Oh, and my keyboard isn't quite as backwards as that one ;)

Applespider
Jun 23, 2005, 05:00 AM
Control is labeled with "ctrl", the option button has "alt" and ? on it, while command has ? and ? on it. Tab has a horizontal arrow with a vertical line at the point of the arrow.

Yup and the option one has always puzzled me. We have the symbol and the word 'alt'. Surely if you were going to have a word it should be 'option' since I don't recall ever being told to press the Alt button on my Mac!

Doctor Q
Jun 23, 2005, 04:12 PM
Yup and the option one has always puzzled me. We have the symbol and the word 'alt'. Surely if you were going to have a word it should be 'option' since I don't recall ever being told to press the Alt button on my Mac!Maybe that's because Under Mac OS X you never need to press control-alt-delete! :)

Mitthrawnuruodo
Jun 23, 2005, 04:34 PM
Maybe that's because Under Mac OS X you never need to press control-alt-delete! :)Maybe not, but I've had to press cmd-option-esc aka apple-alt-esc a couple of times... :(

Doctor Q
Jun 24, 2005, 03:23 PM
Look what I found!

The OS X Keyboard from matias Corp. (http://matias.ca/osxkeyboard/index.php)

http://matias.ca/osxkeyboard/resources/images/OSX_detail_control_100.jpghttp://matias.ca/osxkeyboard/resources/images/OSX_detail_tab_100.jpghttp://matias.ca/osxkeyboard/resources/images/OSX_detail_caps_100.gif

Their ad says "No need to launch another application to find the ™ € £ © and other symbols. Each key is clearly labeled. ... The OS X Keyboard also has http://matias.ca/osxkeyboard/resources/images/othersymbols.gif and more."

iMeowbot
Jun 24, 2005, 07:27 PM
Maybe not, but I've had to press cmd-option-esc aka apple-alt-esc a couple of times... :(
An accidental Cmd-Ctrl-Eject here and there is always fun too.

sacear
Jun 25, 2005, 03:26 AM
Look what I found!

The OS X Keyboard from matias Corp. (http://matias.ca/osxkeyboard/index.php)

Their ad says "No need to launch another application to find the ™ € £ © and other symbols. Each key is clearly labeled. ... The OS X Keyboard also has http://matias.ca/osxkeyboard/resources/images/othersymbols.gif and more."Ah, very cool keyboard.

An accidental Cmd-Ctrl-Eject here and there is always fun too.Eject? Which keyboards have Eject?

iMeowbot
Jun 25, 2005, 10:08 AM
Eject? Which keyboards have Eject?
The Apple Pro Keyboard, its current replacement (just Apple Keyboard I believe) and Apple Bluetooth Keyboard have them. It's the one to the right of the volume and mute keys.

Applespider
Jun 25, 2005, 10:19 AM
Eject? Which keyboards have Eject?

The Powerbooks (not sure about the 12"s) have an Eject button too, next to the F12 one.

dejo
Jun 25, 2005, 10:28 AM
Yeah, what does a space symbol look like? :rolleyes: :p ;) :D

I've actually seen one but not for a long time. A lower-case b with a forward-slash through it. Was used to indicate the number of spaces when that was significant.

iMeowbot
Jun 25, 2005, 11:04 AM
Which brings up a good question: Why doesn't Apple put the shift, control, and option symbols on the keytops, to reinforce the connection with the symbols shown in menus, as they do for the command key?
They used to put those symbols on AZERTY keyboards, but I haven't seen one in a long time. Does anyone know if Apple are still doing that?

Answering myself: they do! (http://forum.macbidouille.com/index.php?act=module&module=gallery&cmd=si&img=268)

ravenvii
Jun 25, 2005, 04:52 PM
Check out my uber-cool sig constructed from the uber-skillz I learned here! :D

Go  !

sacear
Jun 27, 2005, 03:19 AM
The Powerbooks (not sure about the 12"s) have an Eject button too, next to the F12 one.Hmm, no Eject key on my PowerBook keyboard. :(

SpaceMagic
Jun 27, 2005, 09:42 AM

Flying Llama
Jul 3, 2005, 04:34 PM


:/

Camino seems to not be able to see the apple logo, only a magic box:

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/3355/picture10ja.th.png (http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture10ja.png)

I'm using the latest Camino nightly on tiger 10.4.1. Works on Safari.

mkrishnan
Jul 3, 2005, 04:59 PM
Hmm, no Eject key on my PowerBook keyboard. :(

Well, maybe just on powerbooks made in the last decade! :eek:

EDIT: I get boxes on Camino too.... :(

sacear
Jul 5, 2005, 08:53 PM
Well, maybe just on powerbooks made in the last decade! :eek:
Eject key is "just on PowerBooks made in the last decade?"

Oh okay, well actually, my PowerBook was made last decade, yet less than five years ago.

ravenvii
Jul 6, 2005, 10:06 PM
The eject button is on the very top and the very right of the keyboard. The last key on the top and the last key on the right. You can't possibly miss it. Put in a disc, and then hold down that button, and watch in amazement as the disc pops out!

Nermal
Jul 7, 2005, 12:52 AM
An accidental Cmd-Ctrl-Eject here and there is always fun too.

What does that do? I just pressed it and Remote Desktop (which I had hidden) asked whether I was sure I wanted to quit :confused:

Edit: And now it popped up again and told me that logout failed. So I assume Cmd-Ctrl-Eject means log out.

zcohan
Jul 7, 2005, 01:06 AM
While we are talking about Apple Fonts, does anyone know exactly which font apple uses on its keyboards? Its light and slightly italic and I would love to know exactly what it is.

sacear
Jul 7, 2005, 02:19 AM
The eject button is on the very top and the very right of the keyboard. The last key on the top and the last key on the right. You can't possibly miss it. Put in a disc, and then hold down that button, and watch in amazement as the disc pops out!Hmm, the key in that exact location on my keyboard is the F12 key.

I did put in a disc, and then pressed that F12 key,... hmm nothing happened. So then I held down that F12 key,... and watched in amazement as the disc popped out! Holy disc ejecters Batman! Five years with this PowerBook and I never knew F12 ejected the disc. Something new is learned everyday. Tho' I think of all the times I have used Exposé (F9, F10, F11) and the delete key, that I would have accidently hit F12 and learned that ejected the disc. Wow. I can't wait to tell everyone else about this.

sacear
Jul 7, 2005, 02:26 AM
While we are talking about Apple Fonts, does anyone know exactly which font apple uses on its keyboards? Its light and slightly italic and I would love to know exactly what it is.The keyboard font used on all iBook models and 2003 and later PowerBooks is VAG Rounded, a variation on Helvetica Rounded.

Apple's other keyboards use Univers Italic on the keycaps.

iMeowbot
Jul 7, 2005, 03:34 AM
Edit: And now it popped up again and told me that logout failed. So I assume Cmd-Ctrl-Eject means log out.
Yeah, if you didn't have a sticky process refusing to let you log out, if would have proceeded to reboot. It's annoying because Command-Option-Eject is the shortcut for sleep.

Fortunately, Tiger makes it easy to disable the control key, and move control up to the caps lock key where it belongs.

ghernagon
Jul 7, 2005, 07:31 AM
Dear friends.. If you turn your keyboard languaje lo Spanish ISO (I use it because I live in Venezuela and my Keyboard is in Spanish).. if you turn it, you can press in any text box ALT KEY OR OPTION KEY and letter G and you'll have the apple logo -.- I don't know if with the keyboard in english (languaje input) you'll have the same result.. but in spanish YEAP!

mkrishnan
Jul 7, 2005, 07:50 AM
Eject key is "just on PowerBooks made in the last decade?"

Oh okay, well actually, my PowerBook was made last decade, yet less than five years ago.

Ahhh, are you talking about the Pismo? I only noticed the 180 in your signature when I wrote that! :eek: The 180 is a pretty old computer, isn't it?

It was just a joke, sorry if it offended. I guess it must have, since you came back and edited it. So I really am sorry.

I'm not sure when it started being on the keyboards, but my guess is the TiBook and the white iBooks....

And EDIT: Yes, there is an eject icon painted on the F12 key on newer models....

Nermal
Jul 7, 2005, 07:59 AM
Fortunately, Tiger makes it easy to disable the control key, and move control up to the caps lock key where it belongs.

Where it belongs? I've been using computers for 15+ years (admittedly mainly DOS/Windows) and can't recall ever seeing Control up there.

And EDIT: Yes, there is an eject icon painted on the F12 key on newer models....

My iBook came with a sticker on the CD tray saying to hold F12 to eject.

mkrishnan
Jul 7, 2005, 08:10 AM
EDIT: I should really stop talking. :rolleyes:

Nermal, out of curiosity, what do you mean by CD Tray? You have an iBook G4, correct? Doesn't it have a slot-loading drive?

sacear
Jul 7, 2005, 02:19 PM
Ahhh, are you talking about the Pismo? I only noticed the 180 in your signature when I wrote that! :eek: The 180 is a pretty old computer, isn't it?

It was just a joke, sorry if it offended. I guess it must have, since you came back and edited it. So I really am sorry.

I'm not sure when it started being on the keyboards, but my guess is the TiBook and the white iBooks....

And EDIT: Yes, there is an eject icon painted on the F12 key on newer models....Yes, the PowerBook 180 is relatively old, early to mid-nineties, last decade.

Nothing offended me. I edited because at first I tho't my Pismo was made this decade, yet then I realized 2000 is last decade. You posted that "Eject key is just on PowerBooks made in the last decade." So that is from 1991 to 2000. My Pismo was made in November 2000 so less than five years ago, so obviously less than ten years ago, yet previous decade. So I was figuring that out. I merely corrected my own comment in my post. So no offense taken. I didn't even realize you were joking.

My PowerBook 180 was definitely made in the last decade and I've been meaning to look at its keyboard to see if there is an Eject key. I don't remember one. However, the PB 180 has a floppy drive, so an Eject key would be nice.

mkrishnan
Jul 7, 2005, 04:41 PM
My PowerBook 180 was definitely made in the last decade and I've been meaning to look at its keyboard to see if there is an Eject key. I don't remember one. However, the PB 180 has a floppy drive, so an Eject key would be nice.

Okay, I'm glad I didn't offend you! :o

I *do* definitely remember the days of Apple's motorized floppy drives and their de rigeur accessory, the unfolded paper clip. :D Sad am I not that they are gone! ;)

I think it is going to get weird and confusing, for Apple users, though, as the standards break down. Like the Mac Mini is really the first time that a *lot* of new Apple users have been walking around using keyboards not designed for Macs. And as OS X develops, there are more and more confusing demands on the function keys -- screen backlight, sound level, num lock, keyboard backlight, Exposé, now Dashboard, and Eject. And then not all Apples have all of these functions.

And there's also the business of which keys act as function keys with and without pressing the Fn key -- for instance, on my iBook, I have to press Fn-F12 if I map F12 to Dashboard. But apparently some other keyboards allow you to just tap F12 to get DB and hold it to get eject? If I have DB assigned to one of the F7-F11, I do not have to use Fn. (I have my keyboard set so that the other keys, such as F1/F2, do their printed function, such as brightness, with a press and act as F-keys with Fn-.)

*But*, I really like having the markings on the keys. I'd like it if Apple put markings on the rest of the Function keys for the Exposé and Dashboard functions. :) There's a lot of goodness hidden in the Apple keyboard, like these de-lovely diacritical marks that are so much easier to use than in Windows.... :) But then I suppose the keyboard would get too cluttered.... :(

Nermal
Jul 7, 2005, 06:00 PM
Nermal, out of curiosity, what do you mean by CD Tray? You have an iBook G4, correct? Doesn't it have a slot-loading drive?

I had a white iBook G3, with tray-loading drive, and now have a G4 tower. Hopefully that clears things up :)

mkrishnan
Jul 7, 2005, 06:18 PM
I had a white iBook G3, with tray-loading drive, and now have a G4 tower. Hopefully that clears things up :)

Not that it's a big deal, obviously, but I didn't even realize that there were white iBooks that had tray-loaders, G3 or G4. Interesting! :)

iMeowbot
Jul 9, 2005, 02:09 AM
Where it belongs? I've been using computers for 15+ years (admittedly mainly DOS/Windows) and can't recall ever seeing Control up there.
Yes, the heresy of putting the control key down at the bottom was an evil introduced by IBM. Some other IBM systems had Ctrl keys Down There, but that was reasonable because traditionally it wasn't frequently used n their odd little world where everything was an emulated punch card. For the PC it was out of place, since unlike traditional IBM machines the PC was an ASCII machine and used sane (that is, non-IBM) character sequences.

All proper ASCII keyboards put Ctrl to the left of A. Teletype put it there, DEC put it there, LSI put it there, Sun put it there, most micros (at least those that had Ctrl keys) put it there, even the Apple II got it right!

The early Macs didn't even have control keys, and this may have been part of the vector that allowed misplaced control key disease to infect the Apple universe. For a brief, shining moment, it appeared that Apple had come to their senses. The first ADB keyboards added control to the left of A as all right-thinking people would have it, but then came the relapse. The dreaded Apple Extended Keyboard didn't merely omit control, but put it Down There in the Evil Place, spraining pinkies far and wide. It's all been downhill from there.

Nermal
Jul 9, 2005, 02:38 AM
Ooh, a history lesson! :D

Where did Caps Lock go then?

iMeowbot
Jul 9, 2005, 03:10 AM
Where did Caps Lock go then?
Real computers don't use lowercase :p But typical locations for fancy terminals with useless extra buttons were next to Ctrl, or sometimes Down There where Eeeeeeevil IBM put Ctrl.

See, this here is a proper keyboard!

sacear
Jul 11, 2005, 06:08 PM
Yes, the heresy of putting the control key down at the bottom was an evil introduced by IBM. Some other IBM systems had Ctrl keys Down There, but that was reasonable because traditionally it wasn't frequently used n their odd little world where everything was an emulated punch card. For the PC it was out of place, since unlike traditional IBM machines the PC was an ASCII machine and used sane (that is, non-IBM) character sequences.I think that is because micro PCs were being marketed at the time as a replacement for the typewriter. Hence, the similar keyboard layout.

iMeowbot
Jul 11, 2005, 08:43 PM
I think that is because micro PCs were being marketed at the time as a replacement for the typewriter. Hence, the similar keyboard layout.
Well see, there's the eeeeevil part. Way back on the first IBM PCs and XTs, IBM used a nice little keyboard (the one with the function keys on the left instead of the top) that had Ctrl in the One True Correct Position, and the silly useless caps lock key was stuffed over to the right of the space bar. The original, somewhat autonomous PC group understood the way things should be, and life was good until IBM noticed that those little machines were actually selling.

http://www.pfu.fujitsu.com/hhkeyboard/kb_collection/images/xt.gif
Gorgeous, ain't it? You can actually find your way around the whole keyboard without taking your eyes off the screen.

It was when the IBM PC line went all corporate and they brought out the extended keyboard that the silliness from the mainframe world took over. Ctrl was moved Down there in the Evil Position because it seerved double duty as the Reset key in the IBM 3270 emulator (and the Reset key, being evil in itself, did deserve that location). The caps lock thing? Ugh, it didn't even work as a proper typewriter shift lock! Putting it in the traditional Selectric position confused as many people as it helped.

tj2001
Jul 16, 2005, 09:06 PM
Neato!

cgratti
Jul 16, 2005, 11:05 PM
?

Les Kern
Jul 17, 2005, 07:06 AM
Hmmm..


Sirus The Virus
Jul 23, 2005, 07:32 PM
 I've wanting to know how do that for a long time.

GilGrissom
Aug 1, 2005, 05:13 PM


YEY!!

Etrain
Jan 14, 2006, 09:01 PM

amacgenius
Jan 14, 2006, 09:06 PM

Laser47
Jan 14, 2006, 11:12 PM
Wow that page is awesome.

DMPDX
Jan 14, 2006, 11:19 PM
⌘ ... YES I DID IT. And praise the lord I now know what that stupid option ( ⌥ ) symbol means.

DevilDog
Feb 19, 2006, 12:59 AM

WildCowboy
Feb 19, 2006, 02:27 AM
Boy, this really is the thread that refuses to die, isn't it?

 :D

BlueRevolution
Feb 19, 2006, 05:45 AM
it was inevitable that it should come to this.



it is kinda satisfying though...

Tymmz
Feb 19, 2006, 08:18 AM




Nice!

Jesus
Mar 6, 2006, 07:11 AM
 3 7 4 3 ; does not work on my work computer, and all I see when someone has written an apple logo is a square.

Can someone explain.

mkrishnan
Mar 6, 2006, 07:31 AM
 3 7 4 3 ; does not work on my work computer, and all I see when someone has written an apple logo is a square.

Can someone explain.

It only works in the Webkit based browsers...i.e. Safari and derivatives. It doesn't work in FF or in Camino, AFAIK. Does that help?

Mitthrawnuruodo
Mar 6, 2006, 08:31 AM
 3 7 4 3 ; does not work on my work computer, and all I see when someone has written an apple logo is a square.

Can someone explain.You need to change the font to one that supports that character on all systems, something like one of the Lucida fonts (I think it was): 

MacNut
Mar 7, 2006, 12:46 AM
√ ok this is cool

tj2001
Aug 6, 2006, 12:38 AM

Cloud9
Aug 6, 2006, 01:57 AM
To this day I don't know what the symbol after the command symbol means.

I think he's making a joke and refering to the apple symbol since this thread is about it showing up as a ?, otherwise refering to lack of knowledge.

dbhays
Aug 6, 2006, 08:40 AM
?
Don't you mean this 

DMPDX
Aug 7, 2006, 02:18 AM
å?ç?´ƒ©?ˆ??¬µ˜ø?œ®ß†¨???¥? Now I know my abc's! And I do not belogn to the ???

imacintel
Aug 17, 2006, 08:37 PM


imacintel is happy.

Mitthrawnuruodo
Aug 17, 2006, 08:43 PM


imacintel is happy.55288

imacintel dosen't use Lucida (or another font supporting all the Special Characters) and thus we cannot all know just how happy... :rolleyes: :p

Chris Bangle
Aug 19, 2006, 06:02 AM
™™™™™™™™™™™™™™™™™™™ Wow, i can trademark anything...

shift,alt, 2

gauchogolfer
Aug 19, 2006, 06:06 AM
™™™™™™™™™™™™™™™™™™™ Wow, i can trademark anything...

shift,alt, 2

Here in MacLand™ we call it option, not alt. Sheesh :rolleyes:

Besides, shift+opt+2 yields €

Chris Bangle
Aug 19, 2006, 11:56 AM
not on my keyboard

imacintel
Aug 19, 2006, 01:40 PM
55288

imacintel dosen't use Lucida (or another font supporting all the Special Characters) and thus we cannot all know just how happy... :rolleyes: :p

DOH!


Mitthrawnuruodo
Aug 19, 2006, 01:45 PM
DOH!

What...?

55403

I don't think my Firefox wants to understand you, at all... ;)

Doctor Q
Aug 19, 2006, 06:26 PM
This has been a rather unusual thread. The conversation isn't especially stimulating, but it seems that everyone feels the need to post an Apple logo, just to see if they can do it.

Technically, clicking Preview Post would be good enough to test this, but by clicking Submit Reply you can prove your talent to the world!

iVersa
Aug 19, 2006, 06:30 PM

Mal
Jan 9, 2007, 10:34 PM
What's interesting is that on one post, I just used the Shift + Option + K and got a ?, but when I edited, I tried it again (same method) and it worked. Weird huh?

Lemme try again here:

?

And after editing:



Yep, that works.

jW

Xeem
Jan 10, 2007, 11:32 AM
What...?

55403

I don't think my Firefox wants to understand you, at all... ;)

My Firefox got the same results (Safari shows it fine though), and I'm on my iBook :( .

bmacir
Dec 30, 2011, 03:57 AM
The Unicode code for the Apple symbol is 63743 (the dollar and cents number in my post - get it? :) ), so if you type  in your post, it'll come out as a .

This will work if you then click the Submit Reply button. However, if you click the Preview Post button, the  will turn into an  symbol in the Preview display, and you must then change the back into  before you click Submit Reply, or it will come out as a question mark.

I had to do this a few times myself while previewing this post to make sure it came out right!

You can find the codes for this and other characters, such as ⌘ or ⌥, in The HTML Document Character Set (http://www.natural-innovations.com/wa/doc-charset.html).

let me try




Edit: cool, but preview did not turn it in ? symbol

Doctor Q
Dec 30, 2011, 11:01 AM
Edit: cool, but preview did not turn it in ? symbol
The forum system has changed since we discussed this in 2004.

wordoflife
Dec 31, 2011, 12:40 AM
 :apple:

ooh that's cool

ldinstl
Aug 9, 2013, 09:31 PM


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

Times have changed, or I did something wrong.

Doctor Q
Aug 10, 2013, 03:10 PM
Type& # 6 3 7 4 3 ;without the spaces between the symbols and it'll come out .

Nishi100
Aug 10, 2013, 03:22 PM
 :apple:

derangedcow
Aug 11, 2013, 01:44 PM
this thread is great you guys 

fun173
Aug 11, 2013, 07:29 PM

ravenvii
Aug 14, 2013, 10:32 PM


fun173
Aug 15, 2013, 04:33 AM


tevion5
Sep 1, 2013, 09:23 AM
Look, rufus, there's a man with a magic box! By golly, that right there must be the specialest thing I ever did see. Yessiree, go get ma, pa, and little Suzy Anne, we're lookin' at a miracle here!

Now that's professional sarcasm.