HP iPod To Appear September 5?

[MacRumors]

Thanks to an anonymous source, MacRumors has obtained the date of September 5th for availability of the HP branded iPod. Sources state that the HP iPod should differ little from the Apple branded 4th generation iPod (http://www.apple.com/ipod/). Originally shown by HP's CEO Carly Fiorina, the original plan for the HP iPod was in the 3G model, but after having been informed of the redesign, HP decided to forgo an earlier release and wait for the availability of the 4th generation iPods. Body color is expected to be in 'HP Blue'.

Distribution channels are not clear yet, but the digital jukebox will be available on hpshopping.com (http://www.hpshopping.com) on the 5th, with support training for 24/7 support starting on August 30 before launch.

More details should be made available shortly before Apple Expo Paris, starting with Phil Schiller's (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/08/20040818001142.shtml) Keynote speech on August 31st in Steve Job's absence. The new G5 iMac (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/08/20040813012355.shtml) is expected to be released at the Paris expo.

[johnbro23]

Why would Apple let HP sell iPods? Is Apple getting any of the money HP makes from using the iPod design? I don't understand why Apple wouldn't want to sell all the iPods, and not let HP get any of the profits.

[snack]

soon we'll know if it was a good idea or not

[2A Batterie]

do you think this will give us any insight, or have something to do with the "secret" features of the new iPod?

[Mudbug]

it all comes down to market dominance

<long version>more ipod sales, regardless of the logo on the back, increases Apple's bottom line. So far, the big fruit company has done well with distribution channels for the ipod far outstretched from it's computer resellers, but has really just hit the tip of the product distribution iceberg. HP has completely permeated the PC resellers internationally, and has distribution channels that Apple can only dream of. Not to mention there's been no mention of bundle deals with other HP products, further expanding the iPod market.</long version>

<short version>It'll make money. Lots of it. For Apple & HP.</short version>

[AliensAreFuzzy]

I don't see why this is happening...
It doesn't make sense at all...
WHY IS THIS HAPPENING?!?!

[quackattack]

i know i wouldn't want an ipod that said HP on it. apple certianly wouldn't allow this to have any features that the current ipods don't have.

this is simply a marketing move to get a new distribution channel for the ipod. i hope it doesn't backfire and cheapen the ipod's image.

[Windowlicker]

I was wondering why it's taking so long for HP to get 'em out :Q ...I wouldn't buy that ugly blue ipod anyway. I like the simplicity of white and metal far too much.

[Veldek]

The new G5 iMac (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/08/20040813012355.shtml) is expected to be released at the Paris expo.

A little OT, but does this mean that MacRumors sources don't agree with AppleInsider, that the iMac will already come out on Monday?

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=1004584

[LeeTom]

A little OT, but does this mean that MacRumors sources don't agree with AppleInsider, that the iMac will already come out on Monday?

I think this is a moot point. "As soon as Monday evening" here is Tuesday morning in Paris, so I think it will be at the keynote.

Lee Tom

[dizastor]

I think the delay is the blue paint. I believe HP had a contract with IBM to produce "HP blue" paint, but they ran into a heat issue when they added the blue pigment to the mix. Apparently they also spilled gallons of the stuff on all of the G5 processors certified to run at clockspeeds higher than 2.5ghz.

:eek:

[spinko]

Why not open a specal section for iPods ? Is there no more news to talk about in the computer section ? Anyways, probably it's better to talk about the iPod than not have anything to talk about :)

[quackattack]

isn't itunes already bundled with HP computers? im sure that they are hoping to sell these bundled with HP computers at a discount. this will get many more PC users using ipods, and also the ITMS. apple is trying to expand its market share by selling out to the "dark side" ;)

[stoid]

I hope that this it the knock dead punch that keeps Microsoft out of the market. The main reason that I worry about MS, is that most companies would be content to be selling a product and making a profit. MS doesn't seem to be content until it has wiped out all competition, and is the lone provider of the good/service so that it can do ****ty work, overprice it, and screw the consumer.

[BornAgainMac]

I was wondering why it's taking so long for HP to get 'em out :Q ...I wouldn't buy that ugly blue ipod anyway. I like the simplicity of white and metal far too much.

Maybe to match their HP computers. I bet some people will like it. White matches most of the Macs except for the Powermac/books.

[Flowbee]

Why would Apple let HP sell iPods? Is Apple getting any of the money HP makes from using the iPod design? I don't understand why Apple wouldn't want to sell all the iPods, and not let HP get any of the profits.

I believe that Apple will be producing the blue iPods for HP. HP buys them from Apple and then resells them to their customers.

The question remains... does anyone really want an HP ipod?

[Dr. Dastardly]

I still don't understand why HP would want to do this. People associate the iPod with white. At least I think so.

[ltgator333]

I think the best way that HP has to market these things it to bundle them with PC's. That would make the most sense to me, hey if you're gonna get an iPod with the computer that makes it a lot better, right?
The only thing I can say about this is I think it will be a good thing for two reasons- Apple makes a profit off these iPods that HP sells, and it keeps the iPod popular and ahead of the game, and actually now that I think of it.. a third reason is HP may have some (useful) development input for Apple's iPod team.
I fail to see how this could hurt Apple significantly.

[virividox]

its about time

[edesignuk]

I don't see why any of you are acting shocked about this, the fact that HP will be releasing there own branded iPod is no surprise, it's old news!

[RadiusMan]

I too really don't understand exactly why Apple is doing this. But I do remember them saying that Apple is making the iPods for HP but instead of putting an Apple logo they are puting on HP's. I do agree with a previous poster who stated that it might add additional channels of distribution.

Perhaps HP just wanted to sell iPods along with their computers but didn't want to sell something with the Apple name on it. Who knows... I sure don't.

[nagromme]

Apple's motives:

1. They make the HPods, and pocket the cash.

2. Yet another place to sell iPods--Apple's always looking for more strategic partners.

3. Sales to people who wouldn't touch an Apple logo but swoon at the names like "HP" and "Dell."

4. Part of the deal in which HP put iTunes on their machines (and Compaqs).

HP's motives:

1. They wanted to get into music, both as an image thing and for profit. Apple already had something better than they could ever do alone. They knew it, and persuaded Apple to work out a deal.

[iDave]

Good summary, nagromme.

[stephenli]

iTunes is now bundled with HP computers. My family have purchased a HP desktop, and it does have an iTunes.
Actually, HP computers (home-use models, not professional lineup) have a huge market share, in which their lineup are of EXTREMELY HIGH SPEC (PCI express, Double Layer DVD, Serial ATA......) and Low price, thus, being ever expanding. Bundle iTunes in HP computers would have positive effect to diffuse iTunes (and even iPod) to PC users.

[madrobby]

I still don't understand why HP would want to do this. People associate the iPod with white. At least I think so.

Yeah, like the minis...

[sushi]

The question remains... does anyone really want an HP ipod?
Yeah, why not?!

Think of all those HP users that would like to have a MP3 device that matches their computer.

Or better yet, how about those who can purchase a HP branded iPod cheapter than the regular iPod when they purchase one bundled with their next computer.

IMHO, this is great news. While the iPod/iPod Mini has been a smashing success (capturing around 70% of the market), the market is still relatively undeveloped. Sure they are dominate now, but what about the future as the market expands? Apple is going in the right direction. They need to continue to expand with the market.

Sushi

[sushi]

Apple's motives:

1. They make the HPods, and pocket the cash.

2. Yet another place to sell iPods--Apple's always looking for more strategic partners.

3. Sales to people who wouldn't touch an Apple logo but swoon at the names like "HP" and "Dell."

4. Part of the deal in which HP put iTunes on their machines (and Compaqs).

HP's motives:

1. They wanted to get into music, both as an image thing and for profit. Apple already had something better than they could ever do alone. They knew it, and persuaded Apple to work out a deal.
Very well put!

Makes sense for Apple and HP.

Sushi

[sushi]

I still don't understand why HP would want to do this. People associate the iPod with white. At least I think so.
I wonder what all those who purchase an iPod Mini think?

Just because Apple can't keep enough of them in stock, doesn't mean they are popular I guess...

Sushi

[Nermal]

Apple products sold outside the US typically cost more than their US counterparts. The hPod may be cheaper than the iPod here in NZ, in which case I might finally get one. I almost bought an iPod the other day, but I decided to hold off until the G4s came out. A few days later they did come out - at an increased price. Needless to say, I didn't get one. But hopefully I'll be getting an hPod soon :)

[iMeowbot]

Yep, it adds distribution. It also adds up to a whole bunch of product that Apple can sell but won't have to support (reminiscent of the black Apple II+ units from the 80s).

It could also be serving as a trial balloon. If the iPod experience is positive, perhaps other Apple products will be resold through HP as well. That would be kind of fitting in a way; if HP had been less risk-averse, Apple would have been one of their divisions.

[JayBee]

I found this a bit surprising. I had assumed, when the 4G iPods came out, that hp would be getting the 3G. This made PERFECT sense to me, as hp could buy these at a reduced price from Apple, sell them for less, but not hurt Apple's sales, while still increasing Apple's penetration and mindshare.

"Hey, this little mp3 player that came with my hp for an extra 150 bucks is WELL COOL, but isn't it based on that Apple player? And WOAH look at the new features on that one!"

*begins lusting after 4G iPod*

Of course, if Apple's keeping the 4G "cool stuff" under wraps, maybe it's because the hPod gets hobbled and only Apple's iPod gets the software upgrade to flick the switches?

[MacFan26]

Somehow I wonder how this will be marketed. I imagine a lot of people will think HP just ripped off Apple. And about the color thing, do people really care about matching peripherals with their computer? Does this mean I'd have to buy a strawberry iMac if I want to get a pink mini? (;))

[iMeowbot]

Somehow I wonder how this will be marketed. I imagine a lot of people will think HP just ripped off Apple.
The two companies have already been jointly marketing the player, and I would expect that to continue.
And about the color thing, do people really care about matching peripherals with their computer?
Sure. It's more about making the thing look like an HP product than having it match any particular HP or Compaq system.
Does this mean I'd have to buy a strawberry iMac if I want to get a pink mini? (;))
You're supposed to buy a new G5 and have the cabinet re-dyed.

[Charko]

[QUOTE=MacFan26]Somehow I wonder how this will be marketed. I imagine a lot of people will think HP just ripped off Apple. And about the color thing, do people really care about matching peripherals with their computer? Does this mean I'd have to buy a strawberry iMac if I want to get a pink mini? (;))[/QUOTE/

Right MacFan26! This is something that's hardly ever mentioned.
Who really cares about matching things on their desks?
Often contrast is better. Or does anyone think a white tie should be worn with a white shirt?

[rsanuri]

Perhaps this is the new secret of 4th Gen iPOD, HP will work on ability to print jpg picture from HPOD to their Printer, wouldn't it be cool...without having to connect to computer?

Perhaps thru USB port connection.

RSA

[toughboy]

i know i wouldn't want an ipod that said HP on it. apple certianly wouldn't allow this to have any features that the current ipods don't have.

this is simply a marketing move to get a new distribution channel for the ipod. i hope it doesn't backfire and cheapen the ipod's image.

I'm very sorry to claim that but I guess it will cheapen the iPod's image.. I guess we all deserve a keynote, explaning why Apple did this.. there should be a reason other than "englarging the market domineance bla bla bla" :(

[toughboy]

Perhaps this is the new secret of 4th Gen iPOD, HP will work on ability to print jpg picture from HPOD to their Printer, wouldn't it be cool...without having to connect to computer?

Perhaps thru USB port connection.

RSA

I dont care about the printer connection thing.. every brand can do i without making a new xPod by making a deal with Apple..

everyone, go get a 128 USB memory, dont dirty your iPods..

[lou tsee]

I don't see why this is happening...
It doesn't make sense at all...
WHY IS THIS HAPPENING?!?!

ok. to all of you who don't see why this is happening:
apple keeps telling the world that the music store is barely making profit and that it's all about iPod sales. this is not the (whole) truth.
IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MUSIC STORE!!!
Apple has to assure, that the iPod (or derivates of it like hPod) gets
absolute market dominance. THEN the game will turn around and all
those millions of iPods, hPods will driver the MUSIC STORE!
This game is about Online-Music Dominance, not Player colors....

[sushi]

I imagine a lot of people will think HP just ripped off Apple.
I believe that there will be an HP logo on the back side, but also a reference to Apple. Additionally, the start up screen will show the Apple Logo.

Additionally, HP held a press conference where they explained what they would be doing with Apple and the iPod.

So while I understand your concern, I doubt that it will be an issue.

Sushi

[redAPPLE]

if i could get the 20 gig 'round 50 dollars cheaper, that would be a good selling point...

[webmatthijs]

Isn;t there some sort of link between the HP iPod and another product from HP, which might be an accesorie for the secret that lies inside the new iPod.

i don't like the blue colour hp use so im not gonna buy one but i cannot wait to see the secret feature of the iPod. :D :D :D

[Windowlicker]

Maybe to match their HP computers. I bet some people will like it. White matches most of the Macs except for the Powermac/books.

my point wasn't that nobody would buy those, it was just my own opinion. also I think the white blends well with the aluminum -- the iPods have some metal on them too.

as someone already said it's probably a good way of expanding Apple's distribution channels to licence the iPod to HP. I don't really see opening their doors just a little bit as a bad thing. They mustn't make the same mistakes as they made before. Still I don't vote for porting all the software on windows etc.. iPod just seems to be the way to PC people's hearts.

[mactarkus]

I'm not sure why people think an HP-blue iPod will match HP computers. I have a three month old HP (strictly for PC gaming) and it is not blue. It's a rather boring two-tone grey color. Blue would only match the inset of the HP logo on the front -- smaller than the size of a dime.

I really don't like the idea of HP branded iPods, but it's going to help the market share and we (Apple) have had problems with this in the past. So I guess if it's a move which makes the best technology the predominant technology, I'm all for it...sort of.

[podmeister]

Ok, first of all this makes sense for HP because they have a whole strategy of integrating media and stuff. With their cameras, printers, scanners, computers, etc... it makes logical sense to want to have a music player. They actually trumpeted out a souped up iPod many months ago to their employees, basically iPod with extra features. Days later (not weeks, days), Carly Fiorina brought out the blue iPod. Why? If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. HP had plans for a music store too, but when they saw Apple dominating, they jumped on the bandwagon. HP has some cool stuff too, and it can fit in, especially the speculation on secret features.

Like the ability to play photo slideshows directly on a TV? Right now, HP is limited to just 256mb or 512mb of photos for a slideshow with no music, if you run their cameras directly to a TV or through their dock. If the new iPods can't be connected directly to a media source for photo slideshows (as has been speculated by sources that cracked open the new ones), how about the new iPod docks? No one has cracked open the new iPod docks yet. There could be more to the new docks being for new iPods only besides the different size, like the extra ability to hook it up to a TV. And of course it's an iPod, so it can play music, and hold 20 or 40GB worth of photos. And HP also has room for camera docks on top of their Media Center PCs. Maybe they'll find room for iPod docks too. Media Centers also have those funky external USB hard drives that mount right on the computer. HP has so much to offer to this deal to Apple, Apple would be foolish not to take it. This is just one great example. Printing photos directly off the iPod with a dock-to-USB cable could be another. I don't know, I'm only speculating, and hoping for the best.

There's room for strategic partnership goodies here, and even if Apple and HP work on a simple cable to connect cameras to iPods, it's better than the reviews I've seen of the Belkin products. It will not be cheaper than Apple iPods, at best the same price. HP has to pay money to Apple. You will now have an ally for Apple that will get iPods into more hands if they're buying it with their HP computer that's preloaded with iTunes on the desktop AND Windows Media Player with the MS Music Store. Suddenly, these HP customers can't use the MS store because it won't work with the iPod they bought with their computer. MASSIVE plus for Apple. When you're being sold an HP computer in the store, what are you going to buy? A Dell player? A Napster player? No, you're going to buy an HP player because you're guaranteed it'll work with your computer (white be damned. If you're a computer amateur [parents of college students for some reason always are], you want the easiest to set up).

Apple is signing up these strategies for a reason. If not their product in the masses' hands, it's their licensed format in the masses' hands, and their allies' money coming to them. There was that blog finding the logic in the Motorola deal. Nokia took their sides, Sony Ericsson probably will go Sony Connect. Everyone is going the Windows Media route except Apple and HP. There is great logic in this, just have faith in Apple and trust HP will do their best to help them.

And those are my 2 cents and then some!

[macridah]

I was also wondering why apple would let HP resell a rebranded iPod but some analyst think it's a good move. Maybe it's just to keep the iPod dominance ... HP was smart and didn't want to waste R&D money to develop a iPod killer cuz they know they can't. Next, HP said we'll install iTunes on all of our millions of PC's if you let us resell a rebranded iPod.

I just hope this doesn't cause anymore iPod 4G shortages.

[Skippy438]

Well, it's already being advertised. I work at Radioshack, and the new newspaper inserts were put on display with a little box in the corner reading "iPod + HP! Coming soon to a radioshack near you!" As the only mac user on staff, this had me confused until I read that news article.

[G4-power]

Apple products sold outside the US typically cost more than their US counterparts.

Yep, true. 4G iPod prices in the Apple (Web) Stores, Finnish and US, 20 GB 299 USD, but 339€. 40 GB is 399 USD, but 449€. Not a big change in numbers, but taking into account that one US dollar is around 80 € cents, the price gets up quite much. I'm not sure does the US Store have VAT, I guess not. Finnish Apple Store has a 22% VAT (standard in Finland). That explains some, and the "free shipping for over 100€ orders" might be payed in the price. Same thing in computers, see for yourself.
US Store (http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore/) Finnish Store (http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/fistore/)

The hPod sounds like ok, though I'm surprised that it was after all a 4G. The HP model will though make the iPod look cheaper, but HP blue isn't bad. I think it'll be in the same blue that the deskjet 5150 (http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/ho/WF06b/18972-236251-236261-14438-f25-304430-304432-304433.html) printer, that is a very good printer indeed, have it right next me. Makes sense it to have the hp-blue, the computers look like that too. Now that the HP computers have iTunes bundled, the hPod makes sense. We'll see what this'll become.

[appleface]

I still don't understand why HP would want to do this. People associate the iPod with white. At least I think so.

i see where you're coming from, but the blue ipod will make some good press for hp. apple is allowing hp to make the hpod their own (kind of), which should be a plus for hp; and apple keeps the best design for themselves, which should be a plus for apple.

also, the hardcore pc people (or the people that are barely computer literate that are very scared of anything that says "apple") will feel safe because it looks different. maybe.

[Skippy438]

And trust me, there are plenty of people out there who think they can't get an iPod because they use windows. I run into them every day.

[Porchland]

A couple of notes from Apple's web site:

First, in Store > Promos, Apple shows four promotions and all four ending on September 25, 2004: (1) Panther+iLife, (2) Final Cut Express 2, (3) HP printers, and (4) .mac. I would expect that Apple would begin some new promotions the following week, but I wouldn't think they'd begin a promo on a product three weeks after releasing it; the promo is usually immediate.

Second, in Store > iMac, Apple says the new iMac "will be announced and available in September." The Apple Expo keynote is August 31, which is, of course, not in September. I wouldn't be splitting hairs if Apple didn't specifically say "announced and available in September." Is the careful choice of words supposed to tell us something? Then again, Steve did search for "Paris" and "iMac" in his last keynote. I fully expect the iMac to be announced in the keynote, but the word choice is a bit weird.

As far as other products, I've only seen confirmation of iSight 2.

[G4-power]

I was also wondering why apple would let HP resell a rebranded iPod but some analyst think it's a good move. Maybe it's just to keep the iPod dominance ... HP was smart and didn't want to waste R&D money to develop a iPod killer cuz they know they can't. Next, HP said we'll install iTunes on all of our millions of PC's if you let us resell a rebranded iPod.

Indeed.

I just hope this doesn't cause anymore iPod 4G shortages.

I hope that too. My 4G 20 GB iPod order is dated 29th July. In a few days that'll make a month. The estimated ship date has been already revised three times. Now they say 30th August. We'll see. I emailed Apple Store and the reply was "Unfortunately due to the extreme high demand for iPods we are currently experiencing delays in the production. Our manufacturing team is trying to resolve this situation as soon as possible and is working hard to keep the delays as short as possible."

[pkradd]

I'm at a loss to understand how or why some posters are unaware of this deal. It was unveiled months ago and was all over the press. It means that every HP consumer desktop will have as a default iTunes/ iTMS right on the desktop. Quicktime will also be bundled with HP computers. HP has probably 100 times the retail outlets as Apple worldwide. They will sell lots of HPods along with their computers. Apple is making the player for them. They have not licensed to manufacture it themselves. This will help increase visibiltiy of iTunes to the PC crowd. Believe it or not, there are still millions of PC users that are unaware of iTunes/iTMS/Quicktime. Apple will, with this deal, probably double the amount of Pods sold in a short period of time. HP would never have agreed to a deal if given "old" technology, i.e. 3rd Gen. Anyway, the manufacturer of the iPods for Apple is in Taiwan and they discontinued making the old Pods months ago and it would be costly to start a new line making them over. No need.

P.S. I suspect some of the shortages may be that Apple's manufacturer has been busily making HPods for the start up and has fallen behind on getting iPods out. I don't believe Apple has more then one vendor making the player (although I could be wrong). Perhaps someone knows?

[JGowan]

I think that "HP BLUE" is Butt Ugly.

[~Shard~]

I think this is great news - more iPods out there = better for Apple! Not that I'll ever buy anything other than my nice, white Apple-branded iPod (the true iPod!), but still, I think this will start touching market segments previously untouched by Apple and will be beneficial to them in the long run. It'll help HP out too but I hate them, so I could care less... ;)

[Wonder Boy]

I think that "HP BLUE" is Butt Ugly.

does anyone have a good, close up of it? the only pics i've seen are of the hp ceo holding it up on stage...

[JGowan]

I'm very sorry to claim that but I guess it will cheapen the iPod's image.. I guess we all deserve a keynote, explaning why Apple did this.. there should be a reason other than "englarging the market domineance bla bla bla"I think you're wrong... big time... this opens the door for ipods to be sold wherever HP sells their computers, without a lot of heavy negotiations. Apple might not be able to get into certain places, but HP IS already in those places and sell a lot of stuff. Partnering with them was very smart.

[appleface]

i don't think this is as weird or complicated as some of you think it is. the mp3 and handheld (read: pda, cell phone) market is young. if apple can increase it's market share of mp3 players, then the ipod becomes the standard. right now it is the leader and the best and the player to beat, but it does not have the renown of "walkman." it fifteen years when ipods and other good players cost $50, kids will put "ipod" on their Christmas list. they won't put "mp3" player.

i know market share isn't everything with apple computers, but i think market share is a big deal with apple (or hp) ipods. apple computers lost their dominant position in the pc market years ago, and apple is fighting to prevent its dominance from being lost again. although apple is not typically seen as a handheld company, apple was the first with the pda (i think), the best with the mp3 player, and now they are partnering with motorola cell phones. i think the hp partnership is wise on apple's part.

[appleface]

does anyone else think it is odd that the reported wait for a mini OR an ipod is a month?! i guess it's not hurting sales or else people wouldn't have a month's wait to get their ipod.

[instantypo]

IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MUSIC STORE!!!
Finally someone gets it and tells us. I agree completely. Apple could become the music industry ...

[sushi]

does anyone else think it is odd that the reported wait for a mini OR an ipod is a month?! i guess it's not hurting sales or else people wouldn't have a month's wait to get their ipod.
A couple weeks ago I was at the Apple store in the Ginza.

They were having a tough time keeping iPod (20GB model) and iPod Mini (all models) on the shelves. They were continuously restocking the shelves while I was there over a 3 hour period.

The iPod continues to be a success.

Expanding to a PC compatable model has been great. And now with HP on board it can only get better.

Sushi

[g4cubed]

The good - Apple will get a bigger share of the music market, players and store. A lot of people won't touch Apple products, this is a way to get those people. Also just when Microsoft's music store is coming online. :p

The bad - if this does take off what sort of production problems will Apple run into. I would say that the current lag time is due to Apple stock piling the hPod for its debute.

The ugly - hp blue, damn that's a butt ugly color. But I'm sure some people will like the color.

[CrackedButter]

Why are people whining? God some of you are babies.

I'd buy a hPod in a heartbeart merely because it is BLUE! Why would I care if its got HP stamped on its back? Its internals are still Apple inside.

If this is good for apple then let it be, why should Apple always go it alone, some people here seem to think so. Anybody ever thought that if Apple were seen as being more "intune" with the rest of the PC industry then people would see them more as being more PC rather than Mac and lose this stigma of being incompatible and out of reach that the Mac name has attached to it, the one that clueless windows users are used to?

I'd get one and then show it all to my PC friends, even though two of them already have the white ipods!

Another reason for buying a hPod is because you cannot get it IN blue from Apple, simple reasoning.

[applekid]

If anybody remembers, HP was able to convince Apple to allow them to sell HP iPods. Apple is still reaping benefits by licensing the iPod essentially, and HP is installing iTunes on all new machines. Remember, HP is the closest to having a working a digital hub on the PC, in my opinion. Their advertisements have always been about how your digital camera, MP3 player, music, and movies all come together under one machine. Not that I'm saying they're the best choice in buying a PC, but they share similar interests with Apple.

Here's the stumper for me though. Why would you choose to buy an HP iPod over an Apple iPod? Besides the blue color, there really isn't a reason. Let's forget the brand and the color for a moment. It'll most likely have the same features, the same hardware, and same price.

The only way I can see this help HP is if they bundle it with PCs for a discounted price or they have special HP iPod-only accessories. It might be better having HP sell the Apple iPod in their stores and reap the profit they get out of it. But, I could be wrong about the HP iPod. It may be a great idea. Now, allow HP to make some Apple clones, and we'll talk. ;)

[CrackedButter]

If anybody remembers, HP was able to convince Apple to allow them to sell HP iPods. Apple is still reaping benefits by licensing the iPod essentially, and HP is installing iTunes on all new machines. Remember, HP is the closest to having a working a digital hub on the PC, in my opinion. Their advertisements have always been about how your digital camera, MP3 player, music, and movies all come together under one machine. Not that I'm saying they're the best choice in buying a PC, but they share similar interests with Apple.

Here's the stumper for me though. Why would you choose to buy an HP iPod over an Apple iPod? Besides the blue color, there really isn't a reason. Let's forget the brand and the color for a moment. It'll most likely have the same features, the same hardware, and same price.

The only way I can see this help HP is if they bundle it with PCs for a discounted price or they have special HP iPod-only accessories. It might be better having HP sell the Apple iPod in their stores and reap the profit they get out of it. But, I could be wrong about the HP iPod. It may be a great idea. Now, allow HP to make some Apple clones, and we'll talk. ;)

Having different 3rd party extras for hPods and iPods would fragment the 3rd party market and make it a hurdle to create other extras because there are 2 types of regular ipods.

[Cannibal]

i was at Macworld a few years ago when Steve announced that iPods weregoing to be Windows compatible. the crowd groaned as if Steve had just made a racist remark. Steve looked out over the crowd and said," i know, i know. but think of it... they are going to get just a taste of how amazing the Apple products are. people who own an iPod LOVE their iPod. and that Apple logo will come to mean something very different to them than it does now." (i'm paraphrasing because it was a while ago...)

i was skeptical. i wanted the PC world to come to us and beg for forgiveness and ask, "Pretty Please, can i buy a Mac so that i can use one of your wonderful iPods?"

but i've seen it happen just like Steve said. Apple bashing journalists... turned by the power of the iPod. i was at CompUSA about a month ago talking to the Apple rep. for the store (i have no life, and speaking to someone who works for Apple is as close as i get to greatness) when i couple came in and started tooling around with an iBook. the Apple rep and i talked to them for a few minutes and the guy pulled out his iPod and asked, "is this laptop going to be as cool as my iPod is?"... he bought the iBook and $400 worth of software.

my point? the hPods will have the Apple logo show on start up (at least i heard that they will). they will be integrated with iTunes which proudly shows off the logo. Steve is very smart. he knows that technology people are the new junkies. give them a taste and they will want more.

come on man... all the cool kids are doing it.. ;)

-Cannibal-
G3 300MHz minitower... Waiting for the G5 iMac...

[Ted13]

ok. to all of you who don't see why this is happening:
apple keeps telling the world that the music store is barely making profit and that it's all about iPod sales. this is not the (whole) truth.
IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MUSIC STORE!!!
Apple has to assure, that the iPod (or derivates of it like hPod) gets
absolute market dominance. THEN the game will turn around and all
those millions of iPods, hPods will driver the MUSIC STORE!
This game is about Online-Music Dominance, not Player colors....
I'm surpirsed that there has been so little discussion on this -- it explains why Apple has brushed off all attempts to make other music stores compatible with the iPod. If it was all about hardware sales, they would have done it a long time ago.

The fact is that Apple's music store *is* making money. And if it parleys its 70% market share of on-line music, into a 30% share of the total music market, that will be A LOT of money.

Ted

[SiliconAddict]

I think that "HP BLUE" is Butt Ugly.


Your opinion of course. :rolleyes:

[JGowan]

I don't see why this is happening... It doesn't make sense at all... WHY IS THIS HAPPENING?!?! - ALIENSAREFUZZYMy thought is this that the average PC user knows that "Apple stuff doesn't work with PC stuff" and might be dismissing the IPOD altogether because of supposed incompatibility. With this misconception in probably many people's heads, Apple is losing IPOD sales because people just don't know that Apple makes a PC version.

And it's not a bad supposition. Which person here wouldn't have been dumbfounded if Apple would have brought a PC version when they introduced the Mac version back in November 2001? The success of the Mac version armed them with the knowledge that a PC version was a must. Only with that success is it easier for us to swallow that Apple makes something that works with Windows. It's still kind of hard to believe. So it makes sense that a lot of laypersons just aren't "in the know".

By allowing HP to sell their own branded version, they break through this barrier. Now people won't be thrown (and walk away) from the Apple Brand. Now the average customer can buy with confidence that their HP ipod will work with their PC. Also, it allows the ipod to be sold wherever HP products are sold, so it automatically gets them into vasts amounts of stores that would be impossible to negotiate on their own. It also becomes a very nice money-maker for PC buyers who like/want "extras"... sell a computer and then talk up the new HP ipod that perfectly complements "your new computer"!

Smart move, Apple.

[JGowan]

I think the "HP BLUE" is butt ugly

Your opinion of course.

:mad: Yeah, that's why I said " I THINK -- your point? If you like the color, you can say that, too. No one's stopping you.

[Flying Llama]

Sep. 5th is my younger sister's birthday!

[tex210]

those people on slashdot cannot say Apple is a music monopoly. :D

[interested]

I think "HP Blue" looks more like purple.

[sinisterdesign]

I still don't understand why HP would want to do this. People associate the iPod with white. At least I think so.

yes, and people still associate the iPod w/ Macs. i had a friend (who is computer literate) tell me just the other day that they would love an iPod, but they have a PC. i know that seems moronic to us, we keep on top of every little shred of Mac-geek knowledge, but it showed me how long it takes for the message to get across to people.

throw a "HP" on the back and paint it blue and middle-america goes, "oh, nice. now i can buy one!" also, bundle an iPod and a printer w/ HP's "multimedia PCs" and you've got a great all-in-one marketing package.

it seems a little silly to me, but think of it this way, if Gateway had some cool new gadget (that was by some fluke Mac-compatible), would you have thought about walking into your local Gateway store (when they still existed)? most PC users would rather run the risk of being seen in the local porn shop than be seen shopping at an Apple store. :p

[The Red Wolf]

do you think this will give us any insight, or have something to do with the "secret" features of the new iPod?

Can anyone tell me if the 4G iPod was released? Oh, wait, it was. If what is available now isn't good enough for you go get the premier high end digital music player. Oh, wait, that's the iPod. When new isn't good enough and future new won't satisfy why bother? Seriously... Why bother. Hidden features of the G4 iPod. Don't believe everything you read. "Hidden potential" may be a better phrase. I think any device Apple makes has "Hidden potential".

Yea, I'm bitter about everyone not enjoying the iPod (or any other Apple product for that matter) for what it is and always holding out for that next big thing only to berate it because it doesn't meet the insane requirements of the rumor mill. Oh yes, all the while, machines are not being purchased and less support is given to the very company which creates the devices in the first place.

No no... We need a 3.5 Terabyte iPod with a 30" color display now! You can have that now you know. Grab a G5 Xserve and an X-RAID, Get a 30" display and a 6800 DDL (to drive that big display). Install OS-X Server on a current iPod. Connect the iPod via FireWire to the Xserve. Hold down the option key during boot-up and select it as the startup drive. There, now you have a 3.5 TB iPod with a 30" display. Think HP will sell one? Think it can be done for $400 or less?

[dontmatter]

I still don't get where apple makes money here, unless HP doesn't make money. In which case, I don't get where HP gets money. And, I don't get why apple would do this either way-isn't it making the name of the ipod less glorious?

[MacFan26]

You're supposed to buy a new G5 and have the cabinet re-dyed.
:D guess I'll have to start saving up

[sinisterdesign]

... There, now you have a 3.5 TB iPod with a 30" display. Think HP will sell one? Think it can be done for $400 or less?

woah, there wolf! let's try some decaf! ;)

kidding, i agree. people get their panties in a wad b/c no product release EVER matches the pipe dreams we all concoct on these sites. but i'll admit, i was hoping for ONE new/different feature for the 4G to push me over the edge. the clickwheel was a great, but obvious addition. i still want one, though!

i showed extreme restraint last week when i walked into an Apple store w/ $1k cash in my pocket and held a 4G in my hand for the first time. it was like talking myself down off a ledge to walk out of the store empty-handed. i decided i'm going to have to wait for my 2G 20GB to die before plunking $$ down for a new one. :(

[obiwan]

I must admit, like most other people on this forum I'm a bit bemused by this news. - I know it's 'old news' and most people would agree from a marketing point of view that it 'makes sense'. - But the question is - When do Apple ever do anything that simply 'Makes sense?'. I can't see where Apple are coming from. - They'll make more money - sure, but that can't be the only reason. If they were purely in the business to make money, they would have followed Microsoft's business model. They've never licenced their operating system or let other manufactures (HP for example) make Macintosh's (except for those brief moment of madness before Steve Jobs returned as CEO). So why iPods? And why now?

One possible side-effect to all of this is surely getting iTunes installed as standard on HPs, but also more importantly, QuickTime. The AAC encoding is dependant on QuickTime 6.5 right? I remember distinctly having to upgrade my QuickTime version before being able to take advantage of the AAC encoding in iTunes. - This smart move basically means Apple have made an agreement with HP to have QuickTime and iTunes installed as standard on a huge proportion of the PC market - without having to fork out a penny, instead making more money from the extra iPod sales! - Way to go Apple!

[dontmatter]

ok. to all of you who don't see why this is happening:
apple keeps telling the world that the music store is barely making profit and that it's all about iPod sales. this is not the (whole) truth.
IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MUSIC STORE!!!
Apple has to assure, that the iPod (or derivates of it like hPod) gets
absolute market dominance. THEN the game will turn around and all
those millions of iPods, hPods will driver the MUSIC STORE!
This game is about Online-Music Dominance, not Player colors....

If it's all about the music store... why does apple refuse to make itms songs play on other mp3 players? If it was all about the music store, apple would give fairplay to other mp3 player manufacturers. If it was all about the ipod, apple would have invented harmony, not real. It's about both. The ipod is high profit margin. The music store is low margin, high gross. It's just that totally closed only works if you have more than 50% market share in each.

[rt_brained]

Take a vote:

A) HPod
B) HiPod

[rikers_mailbox]

As far as other products, I've only seen confirmation of iSight 2.

Where have you seen this?

[Porchland]

Here's the stumper for me though. Why would you choose to buy an HP iPod over an Apple iPod? Besides the blue color, there really isn't a reason. Let's forget the brand and the color for a moment. It'll most likely have the same features, the same hardware, and same price.


1. Bundled pricing. (Computer, printer, iPod for one price.)
2. HP brand loyalty. (If it's HP it must be good.)
3. The perception that if it comes from HP it will work with an HP. (A lot of people still think iPod only works with Apple.)
4. Availability through alternate channels. (If you don't live near an Apple store, CompUSA, etc., and like to see things before you buy them, this is good for you.)

[CrackedButter]

Take a vote:

A) HPod
B) HiPod

or...

C) hPod

[Porchland]

Where have you seen this?

Here. (http://www.thinksecret.com/news/isightairport.html)

[Porchland]

If it's all about the music store... why does apple refuse to make itms songs play on other mp3 players? If it was all about the music store, apple would give fairplay to other mp3 player manufacturers. If it was all about the ipod, apple would have invented harmony, not real. It's about both. The ipod is high profit margin. The music store is low margin, high gross. It's just that totally closed only works if you have more than 50% market share in each.

Exactly. I think Apple's philosphy is that iPod/iTunes/iTMS is really one product. It reminds me of Microsoft's arguments during the antitrust trial that IE and Windows were one product. The answer to whether either of these is one product or two depends on how you frame the question. Antitrust law in complicated like that.

[encro]

If it's all about the music store... why does apple refuse to make itms songs play on other mp3 players? If it was all about the music store, apple would give fairplay to other mp3 player manufacturers. If it was all about the ipod, apple would have invented harmony, not real. It's about both. The ipod is high profit margin. The music store is low margin, high gross. It's just that totally closed only works if you have more than 50% market share in each.

It's about iTunes, iTMS and the iPod combined together. Take one of those components away and it instantly loses impact and becomes a failure.

It also makes QuickTime an essential install on Windows which will play a very big part of the equation . Keep watching closely because things are going to get really interesting especially in mobile/cell phone digital media. :)

[encro]

I think the HP Blue color looks great!

[rikers_mailbox]

Here. (http://www.thinksecret.com/news/isightairport.html)

thanks. . . guess I'm out of the loop. :rolleyes:

[emw]

Second, in Store > iMac, Apple says the new iMac "will be announced and available in September." The Apple Expo keynote is August 31, which is, of course, not in September. I wouldn't be splitting hairs if Apple didn't specifically say "announced and available in September." Is the careful choice of words supposed to tell us something? Then again, Steve did search for "Paris" and "iMac" in his last keynote. I fully expect the iMac to be announced in the keynote, but the word choice is a bit weird.

They could be playing with semantics. It could be announced during the keynote in August but not be available until September. Therefore it would not be announced AND available until September, which is what they said...

[JoePike]

2. HP brand loyalty. (If it's HP it must be good.)

BWWWAAAAAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

That is such a ludicrous concept I can't help but laugh out loud. Not at you, porchland, just at the thought of a person who would seriously think "If it's HP it must be good". Wow. Scary.

-Joe

[Lanbrown]

I don't see why this is happening...
It doesn't make sense at all...
WHY IS THIS HAPPENING?!?!

So Dell has their music store, MS is coming out with theirs. HP and Dell are the two largest PeeCee makers out there, so you would rather have #1 do their own and #2 partnering with MS? That would benefit Apple wouldn't it? They would have to battle MS/HP on one front and Dell on the other. With Apple partnering with HP, they get the #2 maker to sell their iPod and that leads to sales in iTMS which will then further show that iTMS is the dominate player in the business. This also opens a big market to Apple in partnering with HP and thus removes the second largest PeeCee maker from competing with them. Having HP as a friend is better than having them as a foe. Now HP will help Apple battle Dell, MS and the other music services. Strength in numbers; two is better than one.

Gateway doesn't have a music store, so they will probably team up with MS. So MS has to settle for smaller ones, thus less market share. If you think Dell and HP will be selling a PeeCee that has the MS software on it for the MS store, you are hallucinating. Dell doesn't want to see MS steal business away, nor does HP. That leaves MS with Gateway and the other smaller companies to sell the product and people with an existing computer. New sales though, they will see a small market share. HP and Dell account for a little over a third of the PeeCee sales worldwide, 18.2 and 15.7 respectively. IBM was third at 6.5 and Acer at 3.2. Just looking at the US, Dell has 32.7, HP has 19.2, IBM with 5.6, Apple is fourth with 3.7, followed by Gateway, which did not disclose any numbers, but is expected to be fifth. As you can see, MS is locked out of over 50% in the US, unless the user adds it. Going with how most of the users are, they don't add anything, which is how WMP and IE became the dominant force. IBM won't get involved in the music store business as they sell to a different crowd, business. That leaves less than 40% of the market that MS can access directly by having their software installed from the CD on the PeeCee when its sold. While 40% is a good number, actual users will be far lower.

http://money.cnn.com/2004/07/15/technology/pc_share/

[Lanbrown]

The good - Apple will get a bigger share of the music market, players and store. A lot of people won't touch Apple products, this is a way to get those people. Also just when Microsoft's music store is coming online. :p

The bad - if this does take off what sort of production problems will Apple run into. I would say that the current lag time is due to Apple stock piling the hPod for its debute.

The ugly - hp blue, damn that's a butt ugly color. But I'm sure some people will like the color.

Apple won't be stockpiling anything for HP. They leave the manufacturer and then HP has to determine where they want to put them. Apple won't take care of the logistics for HP. HP tells Apple how many they want and where to send them. Apple then tells their manufacturer. HP pays Apple who in turn pays their manufacturer. Apple gets to keep the difference between what they get paid and what they pay. I can't see Apple willing to stockpile anything. Let HP take the risk if they overestimate demand. If they want to buy three million today, let them. If they sell 250,000 a month, well, they (HP) will have to find a place to put them.

Warehouse = lost revenue and profit.

[AoWolf]

This I think is a good thing apple will make money and more people will be exposed to the iPod. We tend to think of the iPod as just another fact of life but a lot of people don't even know what it is. At my school in an upscale Florida neighborhood we have 2000 kids. I use my 30 gig in all my classes(don't worry I pass on test grades) but I would say only about one of 20 kids knows what it is despite the fact that the local electronic stores sell them. An hp pod will get the normal kids into the game and soon every one will want one because so and so has one...

[Freg3000]

Take a vote:

A) HPod
B) HiPod

Stop the madness!!!!

The rumor community has totally made this name up...it does not exist. The HP branded iPod will be called the HP Digital Music Player, not the HPod, hPod, or HiPod.

Sorry, this is just a total pet peeve of mine.

[Tulse]

CNET says that the HPod is coming this Friday, August 27 (news.com.com/HP+plans+big+consumer+launch+on+Friday/2100-1041_3-5325176.html). That date actually makes a lot more sense than September 5, which is a) a Sunday, and b) the day before Labour Day.

[markoibook]

Here it is as I see it:

5th September - HP announce HP Digital Music Player available in 10GB and 20GB capacities.

5th September - Apple announces new 60GB iPod, and unleashes the hidden features of the iPod.

Result, HP releases small capacity 4G iPods, Apple releases mega capacity iPods with extra features that even HP don't know about, and won't have in their device.

[Porchland]

So Dell has their music store, MS is coming out with theirs. HP and Dell are the two largest PeeCee makers out there, so you would rather have #1 do their own and #2 partnering with MS? That would benefit Apple wouldn't it? They would have to battle MS/HP on one front and Dell on the other. With Apple partnering with HP, they get the #2 maker to sell their iPod and that leads to sales in iTMS which will then further show that iTMS is the dominate player in the business. This also opens a big market to Apple in partnering with HP and thus removes the second largest PeeCee maker from competing with them. Having HP as a friend is better than having them as a foe. Now HP will help Apple battle Dell, MS and the other music services. Strength in numbers; two is better than one.

Gateway doesn't have a music store, so they will probably team up with MS. So MS has to settle for smaller ones, thus less market share. If you think Dell and HP will be selling a PeeCee that has the MS software on it for the MS store, you are hallucinating. Dell doesn't want to see MS steal business away, nor does HP. That leaves MS with Gateway and the other smaller companies to sell the product and people with an existing computer. New sales though, they will see a small market share. HP and Dell account for a little over a third of the PeeCee sales worldwide, 18.2 and 15.7 respectively. IBM was third at 6.5 and Acer at 3.2. Just looking at the US, Dell has 32.7, HP has 19.2, IBM with 5.6, Apple is fourth with 3.7, followed by Gateway, which did not disclose any numbers, but is expected to be fifth. As you can see, MS is locked out of over 50% in the US, unless the user adds it. Going with how most of the users are, they don't add anything, which is how WMP and IE became the dominant force. IBM won't get involved in the music store business as they sell to a different crowd, business. That leaves less than 40% of the market that MS can access directly by having their software installed from the CD on the PeeCee when its sold. While 40% is a good number, actual users will be far lower.

http://money.cnn.com/2004/07/15/technology/pc_share/

Good analysis.

Microsoft will succeed -- if it succeeds at all -- by using its strength in the OS (almost total dominance) and browser (almost total dominance) markets to promote its store. During the antitrust trial, the plaintiffs unconvered an email from a Microsoft exec that said the company could attach a ham sandwich to Windows if it wanted to; Microsoft has had complete success in globbing IE onto Windows.

According to betanews.com, the new MSN music store is going to be

part of Windows Media Player 10 (http://www.betanews.com/article/1093368363), which means the upgrade will be certainly be on Windows Update and might even be listed as a critical update if there's "security issues" involved. Certainly, Media Player 10 will be part of the shrink-wrap as some point in the near future.

Just like with the browser wars, Apple is going to have a hard time fighting for room in the PC market. Already, even before the Microsoft store is available, there's an option on the My Music folder in Windows XP to "Shop for music online," and the link has been there, as far as I know, since XP launched. It takes you to -- any guesses? -- windowsmedia.com.

But that's just the availability/ease-of-use part of the equation. In the browers wars, it was browser-vs-browser. In the music wars, Apple is going to have the huge advantage of the iPod. I've said here before and I'll say again, Microsoft's best chance to dominate the download market is to get behind an iPod killer (and not Sony's homely little device).

It's still all about the iPod.

[Mudbug]

The iSight ver2 thing -

that's the same iSight, with the new mounting hardware to go with the new aluminum displays. They're not out yet, because don't you think it would make a bit more sense to wait until the iMac is available and not have to revamp the packaging to include the right bracket for the new machine?

It's not being redesigned. It's just being remounted.

[jacobj]

it all comes down to market dominance

<long version>more ipod sales, regardless of the logo on the back, increases Apple's bottom line. So far, the big fruit company has done well with distribution channels for the ipod far outstretched from it's computer resellers, but has really just hit the tip of the product distribution iceberg. HP has completely permeated the PC resellers internationally, and has distribution channels that Apple can only dream of. Not to mention there's been no mention of bundle deals with other HP products, further expanding the iPod market.</long version>

<short version>It'll make money. Lots of it. For Apple & HP.</short version>

I agree that Apple will benefit from the marketing power of HP and are likely to attract a slightly different style of customer, but I am confused on 2 fronts:

1. Apple still has issues with the demand of its own product.
2. Apple must surely have some pricing conditions to prevent HP from selling the HP iPod as a loss-leader add-on to their computer sales. Surely HP are a competitor in that market?

[Lanbrown]

An article with some dates:
http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/040826/tech_apple_stocks_1.html

[Lanbrown]

The iSight ver2 thing -

that's the same iSight, with the new mounting hardware to go with the new aluminum displays. They're not out yet, because don't you think it would make a bit more sense to wait until the iMac is available and not have to revamp the packaging to include the right bracket for the new machine?

It's not being redesigned. It's just being remounted.

The article said they were shipping, which would make sense since the new displays are out. If the new iMac has metal around the screen, they are set. If the new iMac has plastic, maybe one of the current attachments would work.

[Lanbrown]

I agree that Apple will benefit from the marketing power of HP and are likely to attract a slightly different style of customer, but I am confused on 2 fronts:

1. Apple still has issues with the demand of its own product.
2. Apple must surely have some pricing conditions to prevent HP from selling the HP iPod as a loss-leader add-on to their computer sales. Surely HP are a competitor in that market?

Maybe Apple has added a second manufacturer, and that one will only make the one for HP. If Apple ever wanted to increase the output of theirs, they could easily do that. A lot of companies have two manufacturing partners. Either that or the current manufacturer has started another line.

Why force a price point? If HP wants to give it away for free, Apple still gets their money. That buyer might even buy some music from iTMS. I fail to see how Apple loses in how HP prices it. If HP sells it at a loss with no purchase required, Apple might see a drop in revenue from decreased sales of the iPOD. If HP is responsible for support though, then that helps recover some of the loss by lower overhead. Apple still sees iTMS sales though. The price Apple gets from HP for every hPOD sold is the same regardless of what HP sells it for.

[g4cubed]

Apple won't be stockpiling anything for HP. They leave the manufacturer and then HP has to determine where they want to put them. Apple won't take care of the logistics for HP. HP tells Apple how many they want and where to send them. Apple then tells their manufacturer. HP pays Apple who in turn pays their manufacturer. Apple gets to keep the difference between what they get paid and what they pay. I can't see Apple willing to stockpile anything. Let HP take the risk if they overestimate demand. If they want to buy three million today, let them. If they sell 250,000 a month, well, they (HP) will have to find a place to put them.

Warehouse = lost revenue and profit.

You're right and I should have stated it that way, though that's what I meant. ;)

[Porchland]

And there's TVs too!!

The CNET story is here (http://news.com.com/HP+to+lead+consumer+launch+with+branded+iPod/2100-1041_3-5325176.html), citing "sources." TVs are 42-inch plasma (ED and HD), 30-inch LCD, and 26-inch LCD.

EDIT:

The story also confirms that HP will be using the 4th-generation iPod, 20GB for $299 and 40GB for $399.

Also, more bluetooth printers.

EDIT:

The story first said the new product announcements were Sept. 5 but now it says Friday.

[shawnce]

Just wanted to point out something that I don't think has be commented on so far... the Hpod will have an HP label on the back I believe but it will show the Apple logo when it is powered on and in the OS screens.

[dotnina]

And there's TVs too!!

The CNET story is here (http://news.com.com/HP+to+lead+consumer+launch+with+branded+iPod/2100-1041_3-5325176.html), citing "sources." TVs are 42-inch plasma (ED and HD), 30-inch LCD, and 26-inch LCD.

EDIT:

The story also confirms that HP will be using the 4th-generation iPod, 20GB for $299 and 40GB for $399.

Also, more bluetooth printers.


They updated that story ... the HP iPods are now being unveiled on Friday ....

... TOMORROW?!

Updated CNET Story (http://news.com.com/HP%27s+iPod+to+lead+consumer+push/2100-1041_3-5325176.html?tag=st_lh)

[Porchland]

They updated that story ... the HP iPods are now being unveiled on Friday ....

... TOMORROW?!

Updated CNET Story (http://news.com.com/HP%27s+iPod+to+lead+consumer+push/2100-1041_3-5325176.html?tag=st_lh)

Yep, that's what it says. Did I misread it a few minutes ago to say Sept. 5, or did CNET just revise this to Friday?

[dotnina]

I don't know ... I guess there's a difference between "unveiled" (ie, "here it is, lookie lookie") and "on sale" (ie, "in stores now")?

Maybe we'll just see it tomorrow, and it'll be in stores on Sept. 5 ... just a guess.


EDIT: Actually, it looks like there isn't a reference to Sept. 5 at all. Hmm.

[Porchland]

I don't know ... I guess there's a difference between "unveiled" (ie, "here it is, lookie lookie") and "on sale" (ie, "in stores now")?

Maybe we'll just see it tomorrow, and it'll be in stores on Sept. 5 ... just a guess.


EDIT: Actually, it looks like there isn't a reference to Sept. 5 at all. Hmm.

The CNET story says "a press event in Miami," but I can't find any confirmation on HP's web site. A surprise event? On a dead news day?

NEWS:

Boom, and there is is! Even a webcast!

[SiliconAddict]

BWWWAAAAAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

That is such a ludicrous concept I can't help but laugh out loud. Not at you, porchland, just at the thought of a person who would seriously think "If it's HP it must be good". Wow. Scary.


Hey Joe. How many HP products have you EVER owned? If you can count them on one hand please drop the attitude. HP, at least in the past, made/s some seriously solid products. I'm still running a LaserJet printer from the early 90's that can still keep up with the best that is out there today. Talk to any tech about a LaserJet 4SI and ask them what they think and then you will have your answer on HP and their products. I have a HP Pocket PC that is 2 years old that has gotten the snot kicked out of it. Dropped, spilled on, crunched and it's still running like a champ to date.I have an HP camera that I toss in the glove compartment for random pictures. Its got through 100* to –30 weather over the last three years in that glove compartment and it is as solid today as the day I got it. We have HP servers lining one wall of our server room that are ROCK SOLID. In the 6 years we've had them we've had an occasional hard drive go bad that gets hot swapped but other then that running solid for 6 years with several air conditioning outages that has pumped the temp in there up to 100*-106* or so and still running flawless. We have a ton of laserjet's in my office that does some serious paper output and I can say without fail that at minimum 100,000 pages before I even have to consider touching any of them with a maintenance kit.
HP does more with tech then Apple ever has. With a few notable acceptations. Specifically their home consumer computers are for ****. Complete and total ****. The Pavilion line is the worst computer line I've ever seen short of the Presario. Beyond their computers their hardware has always been solid.
But otherwise if you look at its history you will see more firsts come out of that company then just about anyone else stopping short of comparing them to IBM. Over the years I've stated one comment on HP and I still believe it holds true today: "They make some dang good hardware, and some REALLY crappy software." Unfortunately their current PDA line leaves a whole HECK of a lot to be desired and I chalk that up to their head PDA/laptop lead jumping ship to go to Dell.
So please Joe get a clue before making baseless comments on a company you probably haven't spent squat on.

[SeaFox]

I was wonding why Apple's stock went up over four and three-quarter percent today with so litle major news at MacCentral...

[narco]

I am also wondering why Apple would partner up with a different computer company to sell essentially the same thing. Are these new hPods only for that other portion of the market who still thinks the iPod is a Mac-only product? And as a previous poster stated: who would actually want an HP iPod anyway?

Could be a bad move, but I've been wrong before.

.narco

[TWinbrook46636]

[Update #2] A Webcast of the unveiling is scheduled for tomorrow. 9:40am EDT HP Digital Experience Launch

10:00am-11:00am EDT Please join CEO Carly Fiorina, Vyomesh Joshi, EVP of IPG, and Duane Zitzner, EVP of PSG for a webcast of HP's Digital Experience launch in Miami, Florida.

The team will announce new products designed to bring simple and rewarding digital entertainment and photography experiences to consumers.

1:30pm-2:00pm EDT HP Digital Experience Launch

Friday August 27, 2004

6:40am PDT - Cupertino
7:40am MDT - Colorado
8:40am CDT - Houston
9:40am EDT - Florida


What freaking time does this thing start? Jeez!

[vniow]

BWWWAAAAAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

That is such a ludicrous concept I can't help but laugh out loud. Not at you, porchland, just at the thought of a person who would seriously think "If it's HP it must be good". Wow. Scary.

-Joe

Yeah, I hate that as well. Its just about as bad as someone thinking "if its Apple it must be good."

*snicker*

[Ibjr]

those people on slashdot cannot say Apple is a music monopoly. :D

What in gods name are you talking about? Slashdotters will say anything, and they mean Itunes Store is. Apple still makes the money on sales of the Itunes store, even if its from an HP Itunes app.

Nothing has changed.

[Flowbee]

I am also wondering why Apple would partner up with a different computer company to sell essentially the same thing. Are these new hPods only for that other portion of the market who still thinks the iPod is a Mac-only product? And as a previous poster stated: who would actually want an HP iPod anyway?

The only way it really makes sense to me is if they come bundled with the computers. Either that or the blue iPods look seriously cool.

[Ibjr]

I still don't get where apple makes money here, unless HP doesn't make money. In which case, I don't get where HP gets money. And, I don't get why apple would do this either way-isn't it making the name of the ipod less glorious?

Because its not called an Ipod :rolleyes:

HP gets to sell their computers and a music player (which will bring ppl to HP) that destorys all other ones in the marke. Its that simple, Apple makes money on the hardware.

[puckhead193]

i don't get it... doesn't apple want people to buy their ipods, not Hp's... i know some mac haters...dam those people, who won't buy any apple product because its apple but still, if poeple are using it on a pc, then they would buy the pc version from HP is apple gonig to stop making them for the pc....

[nagromme]

It's very simple.

Apple has chosen to sell iPods in more than one way.

Crazy I know :)

[Lanbrown]

I got an email this evening. The message body just had "test" in it. The subject line was "recur on 27th (day of month) at 8 am" with the source address being "Apple <News@InsideApple.apple.com>"

[Lanbrown]

i don't get it... doesn't apple want people to buy their ipods, not Hp's... i know some mac haters...dam those people, who won't buy any apple product because its apple but still, if poeple are using it on a pc, then they would buy the pc version from HP is apple gonig to stop making them for the pc....

I can't see Apple hindering the OS on the iPOD to make one work with a Mac and the other a PeeCee. Too much work in coding, testing, etc. When it comes to repairing them, you would rather just have to repair one model then multiple. The plastics normally get replaced, now you add confusion but having different releases as well will really cause problems. The different generations are one thing.

What happens in one has a PeeCee buys the HP and then gets a Mac? Can't use the HP with the Mac?

[~Shard~]

What happens in one has a PeeCee buys the HP and then gets a Mac? Can't use the HP with the Mac?

I don't think it matters whether it's an HP iPod or an Apple iPod - the use on a PC or Mac comes down to how the iPod itself is formatted. So, if the iPod was previously formatted for PC, it would have to be reformatted for Mac - regardless of whether it's an HP or an Apple iPod. That's my understanding, at least...

[~Shard~]

It's also very cool to hear about the webcast, etc. It's nice to see that HP s making this a somewhat major event, and isn't simply rolling out HP iPods without any fanfare. This will no doubt help sales, give the iPod even more coverage, and be a good thing in general for both Apple and HP. :cool:

[Mr.Bob]

One massive advantage Apple gains with the HP deal is further reduction in component costs which increases profitability for Apple. This deal has the potential to double iPod sales (whether Apple or HP branded), just like the huge bump the iTunes Music Store experienced when PC compatibility was announced.

This is a major deal for Apple.

Estimate 1,200,000 iPods and mini's this quarter and add 300,000 HP branded for a total of 1,500,000.

Christmas quarter will be amazing 1,750,000 Apples and 900,000 HP's for a total of 2,650,000.

Music store sales will skyrocket........that's another bonus in the deal.

[iDave]

I still don't get where apple makes money here, unless HP doesn't make money.
Um, Apple will sell to HP at slightly below retail just like they sell to PC Connection, MacMall or Best Buy. HP makes money on the markup. Apple still makes money, just a little less than if they sell directly from their own stores or website.

So, do you suppose the hPod will have blue earbuds and wires? Will Griffin make a blue hTrip FM transmitter?

The fact that only 50% of iPod sales are currently to WinPC users says something. With HP onboard selling them, perhaps that number will increase to 80% or something which makes more sense, considering the number of WinPC users. And soon, World Domination!
:eek:

[Lanbrown]

I don't think it matters whether it's an HP iPod or an Apple iPod - the use on a PC or Mac comes down to how the iPod itself is formatted. So, if the iPod was previously formatted for PC, it would have to be reformatted for Mac - regardless of whether it's an HP or an Apple iPod. That's my understanding, at least...

I know that, a previous poster was asking if Apple would make the iPod Mac only and the HP version windows only. That's I asked that, it was a rhetorical question to get him to think about it.

[~Shard~]

I know that, a previous poster was asking if Apple would make the iPod Mac only and the HP version windows only. That's I asked that, it was a rhetorical question to get him to think about it.

I guess that's what I get for not reading through all the posts... ;)

[SeaFox]

It's about iTunes, iTMS and the iPod combined together. Take one of those components away and it instantly loses impact and becomes a failure.

Oh please! That's most malarky I've read in this whole thread. If the iTMS goes away the iPod will do just fine. It works perfectly well as a straight mp3 player, which is probably what most people use it for anyway. And iTunes the music playing program existed long before the iTMS or the iPod, it grew to dominate the Mac mp3 application market simply because of superior ease of use and being free, other programs (thinking of Audion here) offered more features and better encoding quality earlier in the game.

The only part of this Trinity that actually needs the other two parts is the iTMS, because without the iPod there would be no business plan (like Buymusic.com and Napster) and without iTunes there would be no ease of use (and you would end up with something like Sony Connect).

[SiliconAddict]

I hope that this it the knock dead punch that keeps Microsoft out of the market.

I can’t decide what you are referring too. The music player industry or the online store. It’s a given they are going to make a music store one way or another.

If we are talking the player aspect of things. Hhehe. I love reading Mac user comments. MS isn't in the market when it comes to players. They provide the software. It’s the god-knows-how-many OEM's who provide the hardware and sell the product and this is what has kicked the crap out of Apple in the past. One Apple OEM isn't going to take out an industry in the long run. Apple can keep doing what they are doing but 5-10 years down the road if they remain closed remain the caterer of the entire party someone else is going to come up with something that isn't quite as good but is cheaper. And will most likely be using MS's music service.
From the software/service side of things where MS is directly involved. Are you at least a bit surprised at how little information we know about their music initiative. In fact we really know NOTHING. Know your enemy is one of the most important tips in life. You brush MS off because they haven't done anything and because Apple has all but locked up the market. Stupid move. Never underestimate MS when you don't know what they are planning and don't have a clue at just how hard they are going to go after this market. Many companies have fallen because of such arrogance. As I've stated time and again. These folks have 40 BILLION in the bank. Heck if they wanted to they could buy a label or two. Microsoft records anyone? (You can be there would be a few people lining up at the DOJ's front door for that AT suit.) My point being is that Apple needs all the friends it can get its hands on before MS actually decides to yawn, stretch, and starts to lumber around the online music industry smashing everything in its way. Apple better have a DAMN good strategy for when MS decides to enter this market.

[depolitic]

I cannot wait for the day when some PC drone informs me to the fact that HP invented the HPod and that Apple stole the HPod to make its Imitation iPod. That in fact iTunes only runs on Windows and you need a Windows computer to use iTunes, because Apple suck and is incompatible and Apple just steals all the great ideas from Microsoft HP and Dell.

Think it wont happen, ask any PC genius were Word and Power-point game from. Or the mouse, or the floppy disk, or the computer GUI, etc etc...

[jacobj]

Maybe Apple has added a second manufacturer, and that one will only make the one for HP. If Apple ever wanted to increase the output of theirs, they could easily do that. A lot of companies have two manufacturing partners. Either that or the current manufacturer has started another line.

Why force a price point? If HP wants to give it away for free, Apple still gets their money. That buyer might even buy some music from iTMS. I fail to see how Apple loses in how HP prices it. If HP sells it at a loss with no purchase required, Apple might see a drop in revenue from decreased sales of the iPOD. If HP is responsible for support though, then that helps recover some of the loss by lower overhead. Apple still sees iTMS sales though. The price Apple gets from HP for every hPOD sold is the same regardless of what HP sells it for.


My second point was less to do with revenue and more to do with supplying an attractive loss-leader to a direct competitor. HP can use the HPod as a method of attractiing customers to their PCs, a style of marketing that Apple rarely uses.

I know Apple's computer sales are so low that it barely matters, but the iPod is a powerful tool for diverting the eyes of would be customers to the mac. The hPod will take away some of those eyes.

[jacobj]

PS: HP Blue is quite nice. A lot of people (especially in the early days) will go for the HPod to be a little different. It will then be a well established product and you will buying a HPod or iPod depending on the colour you want or whether you will get 1 free when buying a HP PC

[CHess]

:confused:

Well according to one recent Reuters article, at least one crack-smoking analyst is suggesting that hPod sales will quickly outstrip iPod sales. Supposedly, this is because of HP's large distribution channels.

While the HP branded iPod will certainly appeal to some people who prefer something less cool than the Apple brand and may not want to be associated with us Apple zealots, I can't see people buying hPods in droves.

Also, if there is such a demand for iPods that Apple can't keep up the supply, how is HP's sales going to outstrip Apple's???

And, well, there is just the image thing... How many people would buy a BMW if Ford started selling them under the Ford name AND for the same price?

I'm sure the hPod will do fine, but I'm betting it doesn't really take off and that there will be hPods sitting on store shelves while people are still waiting for the iPods they ordered.

:cool:

[webmatthijs]

Anyone going to see the webcast?
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[billyboy]

:confused:

Well according to one recent Reuters article, at least one crack-smoking analyst is suggesting that hPod sales will quickly outstrip iPod sales. Supposedly, this is because of HP's large distribution channels.


I'm sure the hPod will do fine, but I'm betting it doesn't really take off and that there will be hPods sitting on store shelves while people are still waiting for the iPods they ordered.

:cool:

The one smoking crack is possibly the one wrote this :)

If HP with tens of thousands of outlets cant shift truckloads of HPods there is something seriously wrong. Also there would be something seriously wrong if HP agreed to this deal without an assurance from Apple that they could supply this little goldmine device in the right numbers. Whichever way you look at it, for the forseeable future, Apple are going to be able to sell absolutely every device they can produce. On the one side, the posh iPods will be for those seeking Apple cool, whilst the HPods, probably bundled in a "killer" deal with PCs, will pander to the ones who want to be cool but for a perceived lower price.

[rdowns]

I don't think it matters whether it's an HP iPod or an Apple iPod - the use on a PC or Mac comes down to how the iPod itself is formatted. So, if the iPod was previously formatted for PC, it would have to be reformatted for Mac - regardless of whether it's an HP or an Apple iPod. That's my understanding, at least...

Yes and no. If it is formatted for Apple, will only work on a Mac. If formatted for Windows, will work on a PC and a Mac.

[rdowns]

Um, Apple will sell to HP at slightly below retail just like they sell to PC Connection, MacMall or Best Buy. HP makes money on the markup. Apple still makes money, just a little less than if they sell directly from their own stores or website.

So, do you suppose the hPod will have blue earbuds and wires? Will Griffin make a blue hTrip FM transmitter?

The fact that only 50% of iPod sales are currently to WinPC users says something. With HP onboard selling them, perhaps that number will increase to 80% or something which makes more sense, considering the number of WinPC users. And soon, World Domination!
:eek:

I highly doubt HP will be paying Apple's standard wholesale price. HP still has to sell them wholesale and allow a markup at retail.

[mojohanna]

i know i wouldn't want an ipod that said HP on it. apple certianly wouldn't allow this to have any features that the current ipods don't have.

this is simply a marketing move to get a new distribution channel for the ipod. i hope it doesn't backfire and cheapen the ipod's image.

The reason Apple is doing this is that HP is the #2 computer maker. They move a lot of units. Don't forget that HP is also preinstalling itunes on every new computer they make.

It would be assinine for Apple to NOT make the HP version of the ipod the exact same.
Could you imagine the conversation between Jobs and Fiorina....
Gee Carly, we really appriciate the fact that HP wants to bring their market clout over to the perceived little guy and help us move thousands of additional ipods that we might not be able to move on our own. Simply due to lack of exposure. However, we need to protect our existing users... Therefore, we are going to give you a model that is equivalent to a Chevette...

Carly's response: ******* you Steve, we will just cobrand with Creative and call it a day, but thanks for listening to our proposal that could potentially help crush the competition.


C'mon y'all, if for no other reason than a HUGE windows based company realizing the potential of this and most importantly BLOCKING Redmond from pushing more of their junk on the OEM's, this is a historic and great day for Apple!!!

[mojohanna]

My second point was less to do with revenue and more to do with supplying an attractive loss-leader to a direct competitor. HP can use the HPod as a method of attractiing customers to their PCs, a style of marketing that Apple rarely uses.

I know Apple's computer sales are so low that it barely matters, but the iPod is a powerful tool for diverting the eyes of would be customers to the mac. The hPod will take away some of those eyes.

Dude, the precise reason for a device like the ipod is to turn people onto the digital lifestyle. The iPod was desiged specifically to lure people over to Apple and give them a reason to at least look at the hardware.

ie. Die hard windows user decides to step up and be cool for once in their life and get an ipod. Is soo impressed with it that they decide to disguse themself and hit the local Apple store. While in the apple store is so impressed with the eye candy and performance and stabillity of the machines, not to mention all of the cool stuff he can do so easily with them, he decides to switch.

That, in addition to gobs of profit, is the reason for the ipod..........

[bertagert]

Ok,

The iPod is now available on Hp's shopping site. They are selling both of the current ipods (20 & 40 gig). Nothing about them is different except that its call Apple Ipod for HP.

Basically, all there are doing is reselling the ipod and including itunes on their computers. iPod's are white and normal looking. Available September 15th.

I want to hear about the TV's HP is coming out with today. Maybe they'll be alright.

Thats the news.

[amberashby]

Anyone install the update for Airport Express that is in software update?

[aswitcher]

Anyone install the update for Airport Express that is in software update?

Yeah, everything seems to be working fine

[jholzner]

Anyone going to see the webcast?
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Too bad it's only available in WMP or Real format! How ironic!

[G4-power]

Too bad it's only available in WMP or Real format! How ironic!

Heh, yeah. I've got both. Sorry, but I need them both. QT of course is billions better than WMP and Real together.

[G4-power]

Yes and no. If it is formatted for Apple, will only work on a Mac. If formatted for Windows, will work on a PC and a Mac.

Yeah, true, but IMHO it doesn't matter to which format it's formatted, you can format it again to either.

[srobert]

Anyone going to see the webcast?
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Guess I won't be watching the webcast:

Internet Explorer 5 or higher, and
a Windows operating system are
required to view this webcast.


Please try to re-enter the webcast in
*Windows and in Internet Explorer.

[iDave]

I highly doubt HP will be paying Apple's standard wholesale price. HP still has to sell them wholesale and allow a markup at retail.
True; since Apple is making iPods specifically for HP with the HP logo and this licensing deal, there probably is special pricing as well. Chances are, Apple sacrifices another $15 per unit (just guessing). HP's dealers have to make a buck too.

[wordmunger]

Funny to see all this pontificating about the "blue" color of the hPod. It's not going to be blue. I guess we'll wait and see in just a few minutes, but I suspect it will look just like a regular iPod, but just with the HP logo on the back.

[Agathon]

Pretty pathetic that they are launching a rebranded Apple product and have excluded anyone that isn't using Satan's operating system from viewing the webcast.

[AppleJustWorks]

is anyone besides me having problems viewing the webcast? It says that I need to be running Windows and have IE.....I tried in both Mozilla and Safari with luck....Help!

[G4-power]

Guess I won't be watching the webcast:

Noticed this myself too. Hmm, let's see if I can trick myself in anyway...

EDIT: Nope, IE for Mac didn't work, nor making Opera identify itself as MS IE 5.23

BTW, I would've thought the iPod would've have a different name or color at least. We'll se if it'll even have an hp logo on the back.

[aswitcher]

Incredible that they dont support mac. I used their test site 4 hours ago and it worked fine and now for this live broadcast they dont support mac. Plainly stupid,. :mad:

[SpaceMagic]

i click attend and it says you MUST use WINDOWS and INTERNET EXPLORER! What?!?! They are bringing out the hPod, which is made by Apple... yet their site wont work on mac! Outrage

[Agathon]

Incredible that they dont support mac. I used their test site 4 hours ago and it worked fine and now for this live broadcast they dont support mac. Plainly stupid,. :mad:

Evil. I hope they sell none.

Funny, they are the same colour as Apple's ipods

http://www.shopping.hp.com/cgi-bin/hpdirect/shopping/scripts/generic_store/generic_subcategory_view.jsp?landing=null&category=music&subcat1=ipod&catLevel=2&BV_SessionID=@@@@1108290564.1093613705@@@@&BV_EngineID=cceeadcmgimmhdgcfngcfkmdflldfgf.0

[Marlon_JBT]

Guess I won't be watching the webcast:


Grr!!! :mad: :mad:

I just got this message too. It will launch if I set Safari to Windows MSIE 6.0. :D Don't know if it will actually display the webcast yet...

[aswitcher]

i click attend and it says you MUST use WINDOWS and INTERNET EXPLORER! What?!?! They are bringing out the hPod, which is made by Apple... yet their site wont work on mac! Outrage

Wonder if their iPod only works with windows as well...

[wordmunger]

Evil. I hope they sell none.

Funny, they are the same colour as Apple's ipods

http://www.shopping.hp.com/cgi-bin/hpdirect/shopping/scripts/generic_store/generic_subcategory_view.jsp?landing=null&category=music&subcat1=ipod&catLevel=2&BV_SessionID=@@@@1108290564.1093613705@@@@&BV_EngineID=cceeadcmgimmhdgcfngcfkmdflldfgf.0
Thanks for the link! Also interesting that their digital media receiver doesn't support AAC.

[pimentoLoaf]

Windoze Media Player popped open when the browser window suggested it might work -- seeing as how this is, yet again, another thing ;) :D that Safari can't handle.

[AppleJustWorks]

It seems that the Apple iPod from HP looks identical to Apple's iPod...Any ideas for what the back may say?

[Marlon_JBT]

And it still doesn't work. HP sucks. :mad:

[iMeowbot]

It's a regular iPod, with both HP and Apple logos on the back, slightly different box with joint logos. They also have some sort of overlay sleeves "tattoos" to change the appearance.

[mixgrafix]

Whew.... its a sticker!!!!!!!

LOL

You can't change the best toooooo much.

[aswitcher]

And it still doesn't work. HP sucks. :mad:

I've tried firefox, ie and safari no luck.

Wonder what Steve thinks of this as he wirelessly tries to access the broadcast on his 17" PB...guess he'll have to resort to Virtual PC

[~Shard~]

Oh please! That's most malarky I've read in this whole thread. If the iTMS goes away the iPod will do just fine. It works perfectly well as a straight mp3 player, which is probably what most people use it for anyway.

You're exactly right SeaFox - think of all the people (such as myself) who don't even have the option of buying tunes from iTMS since it hasn't been released in their respective countries yet. That doesn't deter people from buying iPods, and for me, it's a non-issue that Canada doesn't have iTMS yet - I love my iPod regardless! :cool:

[nagromme]

Not blue? Weird.

Then it seems hardly different than when Dell sold iPods.

Still a good sales channel.

Or maybe new pics are needed.

[Safeguy]

Ok, have no fear. The presentation is incredibly boring. There were about 25 seconds worth of ipod. I'm not getting any sound by the way.

It looks exactly like the standard 4G ipod except it's got an HP logo next to the Apple on the back. Everyone can go back to work now. Nothing to see.

[JackBauer24]

Was that an ugly sticker that they put on the iPod?

I'm not getting any audio on the feed....

[pkradd]

They're identical to the Apple versions - white with stainless steel back. The HP logo is etched on the back. Go here:

http://www.shopping.hp.com/cgi-bin/hpdirect/shopping/scripts/home/store_access.jsp?BV_SessionID=%40%40%40%401518351510.1093610141%40%40%40%40&BV_EngineID=ccdiadcmgjdejghcfngcfkmdfondfgg.0&template_type=product_detail&page=home&site=main&product_code=PE435A%23ABA

[~Shard~]

Yes and no. If it is formatted for Apple, will only work on a Mac. If formatted for Windows, will work on a PC and a Mac.

Ah, good to know, I didn't realize that. Thanks for the enlightenment, rdowns. :cool:

[mixgrafix]

i am watching throught Windows MediaPlayer on my Mac.

[JHVH-1]

I was on the stream and saw a black ipod... but then it jumped to a new product.

[~Shard~]

They're identical to the Apple versions - white with stainless steel back. The HP logo is etched on the back. Go here:

http://www.shopping.hp.com/cgi-bin/hpdirect/shopping/scripts/home/store_access.jsp?BV_SessionID=%40%40%40%401518351510.1093610141%40%40%40%40&BV_EngineID=ccdiadcmgjdejghcfngcfkmdfondfgg.0&template_type=product_detail&page=home&site=main&product_code=PE435A%23ABA

Weird, I thought they would have customized it more. Anyone can simply stick their company's logo on the back of an iPod... ;)

[iMeowbot]

no sound in Windows (VPC) either, but earlier all they were playing was music.

[aswitcher]

i am watching throught Windows MediaPlayer on my Mac.

What browser?

[SpaceMagic]

this feed is rubbish! im on my pc now. there are two boxes, one big one, one small one, and the presentation is in the small one. it's really odd!!! says broadcast will start after feed... well they havent got long! only 10 minutes left.

the they've called it iPod not hPod... iPod + HP on the boxes.

[krohde]

im not getting any audio... you guys????

[Porsche]

I was on the stream and saw a black ipod... but then it jumped to a new product.

I think that was an HP-branded PocketPC or what have you...I noticed that, too.

No sound on a Windows+IE6 box. :confused:

[aswitcher]

im not getting any audio... you guys????

Didn't you hear, audio is an extra cost option on the new HP iPod :rolleyes:

[Safeguy]

Weird, I thought they would have customized it more. Anyone can simply stick their company's logo on the back of an iPod... ;)

I just bought some whiteout and i'm making a stencil of my name. i will begin selling "Patrick" branded iPods on ebay tomorrow. And maybe I'll have a webcast with sound to announce it.

[srobert]

I wonder if HP's iTunes is the same as Window's iTunes. Here is iTunes' download page from HP's website:

The header says: Download iTunes (New) 4.6 for HP and Compaq.

[aswitcher]

I just bought some whiteout and i'm making a stencil of my name. i will begin selling "Patrick" branded iPods on ebay tomorrow. And maybe I'll have a webcast with sound to announce it.

The PatPod would be catchier

[SpaceMagic]

no audio here either!

[mixgrafix]

Safari

[Safeguy]

The PatPod would be catchier

ooo or how 'bout the iTrick ??? any takers?

[JackBauer24]

I just got sound again. Playing music.

Can't hear the guy talking.

[aswitcher]

Safari

I am trying Safari etc and have windows media player open but all I get from HP is

"Internet Explorer 5 or higher, and
a Windows operating system are
required to view this webcast.


Please try to re-enter the webcast in
*Windows and in Internet Explorer."

[utah_boy2]

I just got audio , Using windows XP, Playing Black eyed Peas , asking to turn off phones pagers, ect.

Jordan

[G4-power]

Two questions,
How did you guys get the webcast working on mac?
Where and how can I see the Hp iPod back?

[aswitcher]

I just got sound again. Playing music.

Can't hear the guy talking.

Look, that should b e no deterence to a multimedia broadcast by the company who also sports on the same website a half hour add about the future of technology (their technology) and how cool it will be to use multimedia wirelessly...

[2A Batterie]

there is a full year of phone support for HP's iPod, while Apple's only permits for "one incident" in the first 90 days for technical support.

[mixgrafix]

I loved Syndey when i was there... try and view it through IE. VB rules!!!!!!

[iMeowbot]

So what's an "ocmputing platform" anyway?

[G4-power]

I am trying Safari etc and have windows media player open but all I get from HP is

"Internet Explorer 5 or higher, and
a Windows operating system are
required to view this webcast.


Please try to re-enter the webcast in
*Windows and in Internet Explorer."

One thing I did is go to Debug-menu, User Agent, Windows IE 6.0

[Agathon]

This just shows you what a state we will be in if the Windows monopoly is not crushed. Otherwise anyone who doesn't want to use poor quality, insecure software to acces digital content will be out of luck.

Makes me want to send Bill Gates some dog poo in the mail.

[rtdunham]

Grr!!!

I just got this message too. It will launch if I set Safari to Windows MSIE 6.0. Don't know if it will actually display the webcast yet...

Well, setting safari to win msie 6.0 got me past the "you can't see this" error message, but no action on the screens. I can't tell whether the webcast has begun yet or not.

On another note: There's a comments/contact link on the initial hp webcast page. I used that to send HP a message telling them how ill-advised i thought their exclusionary webcast was, especially under the circumstances of an apple-partnered product announcement. There's also an HP number at another link, and HQ has a department that takes messages it says will get to the CEO. It really is ridiculous. I hope they develop products with more intelligence and common sense than they market them with.

peace
terry

[iMeowbot]

[aswitcher]

I loved Syndey when i was there... try and view it through IE. VB rules!!!!!!

IE failed...

[sirjimithy]

Alright HP, it's 10:02, lets get this freak show going.

[Marlon_JBT]

One thing I did is go to Debug-menu, User Agent, Windows IE 6.0


I tried that, didn't work.

However, this whole HP iPod thing is was way overblown for what we are looking at now. I'm kinda disappointed.

[aswitcher]

On another note: There's a comments/contact link on the initial hp webcast page. I used that to send HP a message telling them how ill-advised i thought their exclusionary webcast was, especially under the circumstances of an apple-partnered product announcement. There's also an HP number at another link, and HQ has a department that takes messages it says will get to the CEO. It really is ridiculous. I hope they develop products with more intelligence and common sense than they market them with.

peace
terry

Whats the link?

[JackBauer24]

I think it's starting now...

[krohde]

I'm finally getting sound. hope everyone else is too... HP they should have spoken to apple in more detail... perhaps also about webcasts and not just the iPod... ohh well

[aswitcher]

That last picture of the ipod...is that ipod covered in a skin or metal or is it black?

[Lancetx]

Wow, this is better for Apple than anyone even predicted. Their name is on the package (first ahead of HPs) and the Apple logo is still on the back. Plus it's not that ugly HP blue color. With HP's substantial distribution base, this will help sell a ton more iPods than what were already being sold. This is great news and better than any expectations I had.

[JackBauer24]

That last picture of the ipod...is that ipod covered in a skin or metal or is it black?

Covered by a skin.

[krohde]

the webcast for WMP is:

http://wmbcast.hpmediasolutions-global.speedera.net/wmbcast.hpmediasolutions-global/wmbcast_hpmediasolutions-global_aug272004_0555_62638

Maybe this helps for people on macs...

UPDATE: Yep insert the link above into windows media player for mac and use the "Open URL" in the file menu.

[stubeeef]

cnbc just did a sniglet on it called the hPod.

[JackBauer24]

"Ladies and gentlemen...Carly Fiorina..."

[webmatthijs]

stickers and a new box!?!?!?

how **** is that, sorry sorry, bad me swearing... but still. way below expectation.

[Agathon]

the webcast for WMP is:

http://wmbcast.hpmediasolutions-global.speedera.net/wmbcast.hpmediasolutions-global/wmbcast_hpmediasolutions-global_aug272004_0555_62638

Maybe this helps for people on macs...

It certainly does.

Thank you very much. :)

God that woman is hopeless compared to SJ.

[aswitcher]

the webcast for WMP is:

http://wmbcast.hpmediasolutions-global.speedera.net/wmbcast.hpmediasolutions-global/wmbcast_hpmediasolutions-global_aug272004_0555_62638

Maybe this helps for people on macs...

THANK YOU!

[Marlon_JBT]

Thanks, however, this woman is boring.

[srobert]

stickers and a new box!?!?!?

how **** is that, sorry sorry, bad me swearing... but still. way below expectation.

Were you expecting something else? It's just as previously announced. An iPod with a HP logo on the back.

[aswitcher]

God that woman is hopeless compared to SJ.

Its 12:12am here and this women is proving very challenging...was this really worth staying up for??

[webmatthijs]

Motto of today????

sure: today you can...

[sirjimithy]

Bend over a little further for our corporate pleasure. Today you can.

[mixgrafix]

Will there be a HP branded iTunes controller??????

[krohde]

Motto of today????

sure: today you can...

That is so true.... HAHA she is the most boring person ever to stand on stage...

[mixgrafix]

This is awful.

Reconsidered.....makes perfect sense.

[Lancetx]

Where you expecting something else? It's just as previously announced. An iPod with a HP logo on the back.

This is great. Apple's logo is plastered on every box and unit. And thankfully it's not a bastardized blue iPod like everyone predicted.

[Windowlicker]

ok this news just got better when announced that the hPods will be normal iPods. it's a pretty damn good deal for apple I think..

[macridah]

I don't get it ... it's just a regular iPod. Buying it from HP is like buying from bestbuy or any other online store. If not have a different color, then at least have HP somewhere on it. Oh well, the HP hPod drama is over. Let's have some real news next week. ;)

[G4-power]

THANK YOU!

Yeah, thanks to krohde with WMP for Mac it works fine, what's the link for HP site feedback?

[mixgrafix]

Apple is in the perfect postion to sell Billions of iPods...

[appleface]

so 1990s.

[macridah]

got this from some other article

"An article write-up in today's Wall Street Journal also claims that HP's iPod will include "different hardware features" to further distinguish it, although no details were provided."

hmmmm

[Marlon_JBT]

I don't get it ... it's just a regular iPod. Buying it from HP is like buying from bestbuy or any other online store. If not have a different color, then at least have HP somewhere on it. Oh well, the HP hPod drama is over. Let's have some real news next week. ;)


Riiiiggghhhttt... back to the iMac G5. ;)

[aswitcher]

"Content enjoyment" she says...oh, how ironic!

[appleface]

does this sound like a knock off of apple to anyone else. how long ago did steve talk about the "hub of your digital world?"

[G4-power]

Blah blah blah I want to see some tech...
Blah blah blah HEY did she say "iTunes"?...no, she didn't. Darn it.

[aswitcher]

HP Instant Cinema...finally tech...mmm..."boom box for movies".

[sirjimithy]

So this is how you sell cheap technology to bovine America.

[Agathon]

So this is how you sell cheap technology to bovine America.

:lol:

It is funny. I consider myself a bit of a mac snob, but I had no idea it was as bad as this.

[aswitcher]

All in one power and video...mmm...how inventive.

Wish the camera actually spent some time on the tech and not the very dry speaker... how many times can she say innovation in one minute...ok here it is iPOd

[Marlon_JBT]

Yay, finally a mention of Apple. Woo hoo, she's still boring.. and DUMB!!!

She said that the iPod is now brought to the Windows World simply because they did it... note to Carly: The iPod has been Windows compatible for years.

:( Sad.

[Agathon]

You can customize your ipod with printable tattoos!!!

Be still my beating heart!!!

[JHVH-1]

hahaha ipod printable tattoos

[aswitcher]

Connect emotionally to their product...

Sept 15 with HP you can customise your iPod...HP Printable tattoes ! Wow...she said ipad :)

How INNOVATIVE :p

[mixgrafix]

Makes Sense

[aswitcher]

"Easy, fun and affordable..." not the message I am getting today, sorry dear...

[Agathon]

So what's your ipod tattoo going to be?

"Mother"? A pair of Popeye anchors?

Great, Apple makes a beautiful product and Windows users must immediately vandalize it.

And she keeps going on about this "journey", what's with that?

[sirjimithy]

Let us show you these fabulous empty innovationless ideas.

[Agathon]

Why is Don King on the stage?

[mixgrafix]

Hmmmm

I CANT IMAGINE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!

[sirjimithy]

Why is Don King on the stage?

haha, I agree.

[appleface]

what new ipod feature has been revealed? i missed it.

[aswitcher]

The "D Jammer"...?

Wireless component which attaches to an iPod...

Some sort of remote?

[sirjimithy]

"I'm gonna blow you guys away with this. No really. 500 rounds per second."

[Agathon]

Does anyone other than me reckon that Carly is high?

[aswitcher]

Sorry this is a crap presentation of the D-Jammer. They didn't even demo the damn thing, just alluded to how cool, funky, blow your hair back it is! This is a really poor presentation.