40GB iPod?

[Shrek]

I was just wondering when Apple may release a 40GB iPod, just like Creative Labs has released their 40GB Nomad Jukebox. I was thinking about getting the 5GB iPod, but then I thought I should wait until a 40GB iPod comes out; then prices may drop again and I can get probably the 10GB iPod for roughly the same price as the 5GB today ($299.99). Anyone know anything?

[Mr. Anderson]

They just started with the 20 Gig this month, so don't look for the 40 Gig till probably MWSF '03

40 Gig, ha, now that would be more than an MP3 player - you wouldn't be able to listen to all the songs without hearing a repeat for days on end - almost too much - I don't know if I have 40 Gigs of songs. There is a possibility that unless they make the iPod into something else, you might never see one at 40 Gig. You could put several movies on the damn thing. Imagine getting one of those little video cameras with a firewire connection and downloading it directly to the iPod - all they would need is a better display to view it -

ah the potential.....

D

[strider42]

apple uses the toshiba drives, so unless there is a 40 gig version of that (which I don't believe there is) its not going to happen. not that apple si tied to toshiba, but they are the only ones I know of making high capacity drives that small.

[neilt]

I have 5.8GB of mp3's (1297 songs) and it will go for 3 days and 19 hours before repeating. So figure 3 days per 5GB, 40Gb equals nearly a month of non repeating music.......
i think that may be more than anyone needs!

:D

neilt

[Shrek]

Originally posted by dukestreet
You could put several movies on the damn thing.

That's exactly what I was thinking, or a whole 'nother operating system. Cuz even I have nowhere near 8,000 songs. :p But then again, I just want the prices to drop so I can better afford the 10GB model; that's all I really need. :D

[King Cobra]

Heh, I can see a trend here...

Once Apple releases a 40GB iPod, some junkie will come here asking when a 60GB or 80GB iPod will come out. :p :rolleyes:

I can't imagine who will want 40GB of music on their iPod. If you really need 8000 songs you have a serious mental problem. :rolleyes:

Besides, IF a 40GB 1.8" Hard Drive was available, the price on that thing must be extremely high. I would imagine that the cheap version of it would be the cousin 2.5" Hard Drive.

[Shrek]

It's interesting that Creative Labs has a 40GB Nomad (http://www.americas.creative.com/products/product.asp?product=324&category=2&maincategory=) for the same price as a 20GB iPod (http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/194/wo/N5PuC1sAbUYn36KeFt/1.3.0.3.34.8.3.4.13.0), and a 20GB Nomad (http://www.americas.creative.com/products/product.asp?product=324&category=2&maincategory=) for the same price as a 10GB iPod (http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/194/wo/N5PuC1sAbUYn36KeFt/1.3.0.3.34.8.3.2.13.0). Hmmm. :mad:

[King Cobra]

>(from 40GB Nomad link)Anti-skip protection: up to 7 minutes for smooth listening

I'm sure there are other flaws...

The site doesn't say if it uses a 2.5 inch Hard Drive. I would imagine so, since that would be the ONLY way to keep the price down.

IF Apple made a 40GB iPod with a 2.5 inch Hard Drive, the iPod would also have to be bigger. And who wants to haul around something that's, maybe, twice as big as our current 20GB model? You would be turning our deck of cards into a storybook. :rolleyes:

[Mr. Anderson]

I would be surprised if it was a 1.5" Drive - that thing is more than twice as big as the iPod - got this from the spec page - another reason not to buy it

Capacity: 20GB hard disk drive (333 hours at 128 kbps MP3 encoding) or 40GB hard disk drive (666 hours at 128 kbps MP3 encoding)

[King Cobra]

I noticed that as well. Imagine what happens when they come out with a 400GB mp3 player :eek:

(Well, considering the thing lists mp3s at 128Kbps, eick.)

I also noticed that number at the bottom of the main index page of the forums. It happened twice yesterday. The forums are becoming evil. :p

I still like the iPod. I can attract more peecee users with it. :cool:

[Shrek]

My personal feelings is that it would be hard for consumers to know the real differences between the Nomad Jukebox and the iPod unless Apple lowers it's prices on it's iPods. To tell you the truth, I had no idea before I posted this thread. But thanks, anyway. :D

[Shrek]

Originally posted by King Cobra
I noticed that as well. Imagine what happens when they come out with a 400GB mp3 player :eek:

(Well, considering the thing lists mp3s at 128Kbps, eick.)


It will probably be 384kbps surround sound. And 400GB is NOT ridiculous if you can put other things on it besides music (like movies, for example). Before you know it, our cell phones may even become our MP3 players, too. :D

[King Cobra]

I think mp3 cell phones have been around for a few years, but I think they use simple 32MB or 64MB RAM chips, not the cheaper spinning Hard Drive the real people use. :p :rolleyes:

As for 384Kbps, I haven't seen mp3 encoding go to that range. It goes up to 320Kbps; then it goes to .wav or .aiff at 8 or 16 bit.

[shadowfax0]

ok people, listen to yourselves! 400 GB! The BIGGEST drive you can buy for your DESKTOP is 200 GB! THAT"S IT! We're talking fancy tape players, not god damned multimedia studios! Jesus, and at that point, not even firewire would be able to save you. Yes, the Nomad is big, but it's only so they can say "We have the bigger one" But I don't know if you've ever actaully *seen* a Nomad Jukebox, it has a name like that for a specific reason, the thing is the size of a real life juke-box! Take your CD player, and increase the thickness by 1/2 an inch, that's a Nomad, it's not fitting it your pocket. And all the buttons! Simplicity, and portability are key here...that's why the iPod is great.

[davei]

I for one would love a 40GB iPod - I could have 80 or so albums stored in lossless AIFF/WAV format (yeah, I'm an audiophile.)

[rugby]

Last time I checked I had about 21gb of music which was 11.5 days worth. My poor little 5gb iPod gets quite a workout transferring different music to it all the time. I think I'll pick up a 20gb and hand this one down to my wife.

[rugby]

I've heard that iPods with aiff/wav files skip a lot because the song is physically larger than the anti-skip ram that the iPod uses to buffer songs.


Originally posted by davei
I for one would love a 40GB iPod - I could have 80 or so albums stored in lossless AIFF/WAV format (yeah, I'm an audiophile.)

[iwantanewmac]

AH I would LOOOOVE to have a 40 GIG ipod.
SO long MP3 crap. sadly (well it's still great! :) )
I'm stuck with a 5 GB with 350 songs.....
ah well

[King Cobra]

All right, faxmaster.

I only brought up 400GB because it would show more of the number 6 in the number of hours of playback. I am well aware of a 400GB being ridiculous enough. NOBODY will EVER need that for just music for a REAL LONG DAMN TIME.

davei, rugby, from personal experience, I originally uploaded just AIFF files onto the iPod. I did get some skipping, but that is because if a file is bigger than the RAM allowed for it, not all of the song can be ported to the RAM (RAM = no moving parts, no skipping). Also, the battery life would drain in a quick 2 hours.

If you are looking for a 40GB for AIFF music quality you will also need one HUGE RAM chip. And do you know how much those cost alone?

So, a huge RAM chip + a 1.8 inch 40GB Hard Drive should only cost around $600 to $1000. Does anyone still want to pay for that?

[Gelfin]

Toshiba does not make, and has not announced, a 1.8" (PC Card sized) HD with higher than 20GB capacity. Nobody else even makes drives that small. Getting 20GB into that form factor is still a pretty impressive technical feat. The drives are expensive, but they're what makes the iPod so small. Other manufacturers (including Creative) are using 2.5" laptop drives, which use a bit more power and consume a lot more space. They're cheaper to make and sell, but the result is the clunky "jukebox" players that are too big to drop in a pocket and too ugly to leave out in plain sight. In the meantime, the second generation iPods are actually slimmer.

I find it interesting that Creative pushes out the 40G jukebox right after Apple announces the 20G iPod (not to mention a Windows version) so that they can continue claiming to have more capacity than the competition. The market for a 40GB MP3 player, as opposed to an identical player with 20GB of space priced substantially cheaper, can't be that large. It suggests that the iPod is a sufficiently compelling product that other companies are willing to make potentially costly strategic moves to gain or keep an edge.

[Shrek]

Originally posted by King Cobra
It goes up to 320Kbps;

Well, 320kbps is what I meant to say. ;)

[Gelfin]

Originally posted by King Cobra
I only brought up 400GB because it would show more of the number 6 in the number of hours of playback. I am well aware of a 400GB being ridiculous enough. NOBODY will EVER need that for just music for a REAL LONG DAMN TIME.

80,000 Songs In Your Pocket!
Nearly seven and a half months of nonstop music with no repeats!

[Shrek]

If music ever becomes a FREE media, then 400GB will seem more reasonable. :)

[PyroTurtle]

i have more than 20GB of video game music...
i would so love a 40GB, my "regular" cd collection would fit on it...
i'd need another one for all ther music i DL though...

[zimv20]

Originally posted by davei
I for one would love a 40GB iPod - I could have 80 or so albums stored in lossless AIFF/WAV format (yeah, I'm an audiophile.)

you'd have to play it through some studio monitors to tell the difference.

if you're listening through headphones, may as well use 192 kbps mp3 encoding.

[mania]

well, i hear some DJs are takin two ipods and a mixer and DJing with them.

personally I would like a 40G or more ipod cause I have 60G of mp3s

[Shrek]

Originally posted by mania
personally I would like a 40G or more ipod cause I have 60G of mp3s

Well, what do you know. . .

Demand may be slow, but it's still a GO!!! :D :D :D

[G4scott]

to have a 40gig iPod, Apple would have to put in another 20gb HD and another battery, making the iPod about .5 inches thicker. They'd also have to put in another hard drive controller. Until toshiba releases bigger HD's at a reasonable price, you won't see a 40 gig iPod, with a hard drive, that is...

Imagine 40gigs of SRAM (the kind that doesn't need constant power to hold memory...) If the technology became available, and cheap enough, we could see a smaller iPod... Maybe a piece of clear plastic 1/8" thick with a screen, scroll wheel, and some circuits behind the wheel and screen... That would be an awesome mp3 player... I wonder if anyone can do that in photoshop...

Oh, and Gelfin, only the 10gb iPod is slimmer. The 5gb iPod is the same size, and the 20gb iPod is actually a bit thicker, but that's probably because the hard drive is thicker, because Toshiba has to put another platter in the HD.

[Shrek]

Guess we'll just have to wait until technology catches up with itself. Shouldn't take long these days. . . ;)

[Gelfin]

Originally posted by G4scott
Oh, and Gelfin, only the 10gb iPod is slimmer. The 5gb iPod is the same size, and the 20gb iPod is actually a bit thicker, but that's probably because the hard drive is thicker, because Toshiba has to put another platter in the HD.

You know, I've heard that said before, but Toshiba's data sheets on the drives list the exact same dimensions for all three.

[Shrek]

Apple Lists (http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/102/wo/5PJBa1gAIErvF37GH41/0.3.0.3.34.19.1.3.1.1.0?98,29) the 5GB iPod as being the thickest and the 10GB and 20GB iPods as being equal in size. :)

[Shrek]

I take that back. My mistake. The 20GB iPod is the thickest, then the 5GB, then the 10GB.

Oops. :o

[G4scott]

Originally posted by Gelfin


You know, I've heard that said before, but Toshiba's data sheets on the drives list the exact same dimensions for all three.

Not exactly. If you look at the 5gb HD's data sheet (http://www.toshiba.com/taissdd/products/spec/MK5002-Spec.shtml), you will see that it's 5mm thick. The 10gb HD is also 5mm thick, but the reason that it has a higher capacity, is because it crams more data onto a smaller space on the disk. Both of these drives only have one disk, or 'platter' in them.

If you look at the 20gh HD's data sheet (http://www.toshiba.com/taissdd/products/spec/MK2003GAH-Spec.shtml), you will see that it has 2 disks in it, and is 8mm thick.

I think that the reason that the 10gb iPod is thinner than the 5, is because Apple's keeping the same design on the original 5gb iPod, and they re-designed the insides of the 10 and 20 gb iPods.

I still think that an iPod with just 20gb of solid-state memory would rock... :eek: :D :cool:

[desdinova]

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Originally posted by davei
I for one would love a 40GB iPod - I could have 80 or so albums stored in lossless AIFF/WAV format (yeah, I'm an audiophile.)
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Right on! Actually it would be rather nice to have a 200-300GB iPod so you could put your whole CD collection on it uncompressed. Then you could hook it up to a high quality D/A converter and preamp and play it through your stereo system. Does anyone know if it’s possible to get the digital bit stream out of the firewire? I’d be willing to design the audio circuits if you can. Would be power hungry though, definitely not portable.

[Nipsy]

Since the demand seems to be there, I personally will be releasing the 1TB iPodd.

It will feature a 800 amp hour battery, rechageable of course, five 200GB hds, and the patented iPodd interface.

Beacause not everyone has FireWire, this new device will RECORD through a built-in mic, as a matter of fact, that's the only way to get sound onto the thing. Also, proprietary power adapters are a pain, so I've decided to work with AC Delco, who've provided the battery, which can be recharged with common jumper cables, or at any gas station.

Best of all, the new 1TB iPodd fits in the average backpack, and only weighs 63 pounds!

It is available NOW, and priced at a very competitive $2,400.

[dongmin]

Originally posted by desdinova
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Right on! Actually it would be rather nice to have a 200-300GB iPod so you could put your whole CD collection on it uncompressed. Then you could hook it up to a high quality D/A converter and preamp and play it through your stereo system.

Can't you just add a couple of 120GB drives to your Mac and run a cable from it?

The whole point of the iPods is having music/data on-the-go, in a form factor small enough to fit in your shirt pocket. Portability, get it?

I just don't get these people who want uncompressed aiffs. You're simply not going to be able to tell the difference between AIFFS and mp3s compressed at 192kbps or higher. Definitely not thru your ipod headphones.

Also, you're forgetting that 10 times the file size means 10 times the file transfer time. Even with firewire, 200GB will take a while to transfer.

[iwantanewmac]

Originally posted by zimv20


you'd have to play it through some studio monitors to tell the difference.

if you're listening through headphones, may as well use 192 kbps mp3 encoding.

sorry to say it but that's ************.... you don't need "studio monitors" to tell the difference. :)
I have some cheap yamaha speakers here and I can easily tell the difference.

[Gelfin]

Originally posted by G4scott


Not exactly. If you look at the 5gb HD's data sheet (http://www.toshiba.com/taissdd/products/spec/MK5002-Spec.shtml), you will see that it's 5mm thick. The 10gb HD is also 5mm thick, but the reason that it has a higher capacity, is because it crams more data onto a smaller space on the disk. Both of these drives only have one disk, or 'platter' in them.

If you look at the 20gh HD's data sheet (http://www.toshiba.com/taissdd/products/spec/MK2003GAH-Spec.shtml), you will see that it has 2 disks in it, and is 8mm thick.

Aha. At one time they did list the same dimensions for all three drives. This was closer to when they released the 20G. I should've checked again before posting. Sorry.

[sjonni]

) ...Hello I´m new here so bare with me if I´m not up to date!

iPod is for me more than just mp3 player, calander and contacts as well (for now). I assume that people would use the iPod for more than just music,...I would (just have not got one yet) so 20Gb is enough for now. But, when iPod gets more intellegent which i think it will, Apple must increase it´s capacity. Being more intellegent i mean being a multi machine such as GPS, dictaphone, game machine, and camera. I know it sounds expensive but hey...isn´t everything built on dreams. Everything comes down in price, but I would love one!:D