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mattv123
Sep 4, 2004, 03:16 AM
I recently came across a company called Niro1.com USA, and they sell single speaker, single subwoofer 5.1 surround sound systems. I own a Dual 2.5 Ghz G5 PowerMac and I bought one of these puppies and connected it up via TOSlink (fiber optic) and it is one of the best combinations of products I own.

Basically, the one speaker box has 5 speakers built into it. These speakers broadcast sounds in specific phase, resulting in cancelation of certain sounds at certain distances from the speaker. Essentially, you get an amazing sound field that rivals true 5.1 systems. They even sell a mount that can attach to your monitor to hold the speaker right in front of you.

I can't explain how perfect this product is for anyone who wants a great sounding audio system for their G5 computer, and don't want all the bulky speakers. Even the colors match: all brushed aluminum housings. Since the G5 and the Niro systems have the built in fiber optic connections, it is no problem getting 5.1 sound out of DVD Player. Even stereo music out of iTunes sounds incredibly pure and clean since it is all digital.

I was skeptical at first as to how good the sound quality could be with just one speaker, but they offer a 30-day full refund guaruntee. Go ahead and give it a try: I did and there is no way I am returning mine.

Well, check out their website at http://www.niro1.com/en and please feel free to email me if you have any questions about it and how it works with the Mac.

Chaszmyr
Sep 4, 2004, 03:39 AM
I'm no audio expert, but doesn't it kind of defeat the purpose of 5.1 audio if all the speakers are pointing away from eachother?

Nermal
Sep 4, 2004, 03:43 AM
Be wary:

- User's first (and only) post
- A 'glowing' review
- Are the dual 2.5s even available yet? The Apple store says 3-5 weeks.

This might be innocent, but don't get sucked in :eek:

Chaszmyr
Sep 4, 2004, 04:29 AM
- Are the dual 2.5s even available yet? The Apple store says 3-5 weeks.

If you order one now from it takes some time, but they are available now, customers began to recieve them at least a couple of weeks ago

Wes
Sep 4, 2004, 04:35 AM
Not only newbie, first and only post.

jimsowden
Sep 4, 2004, 09:11 AM
I don't trust anyone without a tar. (Me untill yesterday)

Abstract
Sep 4, 2004, 09:25 AM
I believe people without avatars, like jimsowden even before he got his tar, but I don't trust anyone who sounds like they work for Niro1 USA. I especially don't like that last line. Why (and how) would he be able to know so much about the product that he can actually explain to me how it works on the Mac and such? Why does he know so much about the product to begin with? Oh yes, he works for them.

And if the phases cancel each other out at certain distances from the speaker, then doesn't that leave a dead spot? That's what you get when you have a 2 speaker system....... dead spots where destructive interference occurs. This doesn't sound so advanced to me.

2A Batterie
Sep 4, 2004, 10:42 AM
This look's like the work of Frank Stallone.

Kingsnapped
Sep 4, 2004, 10:47 AM
I don't trust anyone without a tar. (Me untill yesterday)

Wait...you got an Avatar yesterday :eek: I must have totally missed it. Like.. wow. I guess I should start watching the RSS a little closer.

rainman::|:|
Sep 4, 2004, 10:56 AM
sales pitch if i ever heard one.

one speaker 5:1 might be good for say, people whose computers are in closets. Or who move around (dorm room) frequently. But the only way I could see it bringing anything close to true 5:1 would be in a specially designed room that bounced the sound waves just right. Phase cancellation simply can't bend the sound waves to be coming from behind you. Your ear is sophisticated enough to know better. As was mentioned, the only thing phase cancellation would do is create hotspots and deadspots.

paul

Kingsnapped
Sep 4, 2004, 11:24 AM
::snip:: As was mentioned, the only thing phase cancellation would do is create hotspots and deadspots.
paul

Hm.. why would anyone selling speakers bring that up? Maybe he's a legit user.




*holds back snicker.

jimsowden
Sep 4, 2004, 11:51 AM
sales pitch if i ever heard one.

one speaker 5:1 might be good for say, people whose computers are in closets.

paul
My computer came out of the closet.

mattv123
Sep 4, 2004, 12:02 PM
Well, to address everyone's concerns: I purchased the 2.5 Ghz the day it came out and it was shipped IP Direct from China a few weeks ago. I got lucky and got one of the few machines of the first wave of shipment.

As for my status as a new user etc. I have been visiting MacRumors for years getting all my newest info from them, I just have never had too much to say to join the forums. So in the sense that it is my first post, I could understand you may be wary.

At the same time, by me going out of my way to create an account and make a post, should say something about how much I really like the product. I understand it may have been a little "glowy", but the reason for this was I wrote the post the same day I got the Niro product in, and was still a little excited :) .

I know a lot about the product because I:
a) Looked throughly through their website and
b) Called their customer service to get some of the technical details I had posted (ie the phase thing). Speaking of which, yes, you do get dead spots; for the surround speakers. Basically the sound for the rear speakers are canceled until they get behind you a certain distance. It is really amazing and beyond saying "it is phase" I have no idea how they do it.

And Niro is a creditable company: their previous line (the Niro PRO i believe) got editor's choice on CNET and got great reviews from USA Today. They told me their technology has improved even more since the pro, and CNET is in the process of reviewing it.

So as I listen to "Let Go" by Frou Frou (off the Garden State soundtrack), which sounds amazing with this setup, I tell you my intensions are genuine. I reread my post and it does kind of sound like a sales pitch, and for that I am sorry. I guess at the time that was the easiest way for me to express how strongly I feel about the product.

So, take my word against a grain of salt I guess. I know if you give this product a try, you will not be disappointed, and if you are, you can return it for a refund.

If you have any other concerns, feel free to blast me with them, and I will try to anwer them the best I can.

Thanks guys!

invaLPsion
Sep 4, 2004, 12:11 PM
I think it's a pity how a newbie post that is offering a mere product recommendation is questioned and accused of being a troll. :cool:

If some of you took time to do some research you'd find that Niro is a highly reviewed speaker company whose speakers offer high fidelity surround sound in a small package.


P.S. Please note the avatar status. But can I be trusted... ;) :D

jimsowden
Sep 4, 2004, 12:23 PM
I think it's a pity how a newbie post that is offering a mere product recommendation is questioned and accused of being a troll. :cool:

If some of you took time to do some research you'd find that Niro is a highly reviewed speaker company whose speakers offer high fidelity surround sound in a small package.


P.S. Please note the avatar status. But can I be trusted... ;) :D
I think people should have to become regulars before they can start creating threads, unless approved by a mod or something.

tonyeck
Sep 4, 2004, 12:39 PM
I think people should have to become regulars before they can start creating threads, unless approved by a mod or something.

Do you mean have a regular status instead of macrumors newbie?

if so, thats not really fair at all... So yesterday my first post was asking advice on monitor purchase, If things were up to you, I wouldn't have been able to ask that? I have been lurking for ages and I see a nice friendly mac community. with that attitude i can see people who want to join not bother!

By the way, I doubt very much a single speaker 5.1 system will rival any real 5.1 sound system - sorry :(

solvs
Sep 4, 2004, 12:43 PM
Suggestion to newbies, don't start a thread that looks like a sales pitch. Especially for your first post. Hey guys, here's a new product that's AMAZING! type of quotes are usually a red flag for SPAM. If you are on the level, that's cool. But we shouldn't have to apologize for not trusting you right off the bat. Sorry. :p

I smell WASTELAND!

invaLPsion
Sep 4, 2004, 12:46 PM
By the way, I doubt very much a single speaker 5.1 system will rival any real 5.1 sound system - sorry :(

As do I, but I also doubted that a wireless phone would ever be able to work as well as one with a cord... :)

mattv123
Sep 4, 2004, 12:57 PM
Hahaha, ok, well I'm sorry for giving my opinion.

I thought this was more of an open forum where people would be open to discussion and not dismiss my recommendation based on my new status as a newbie (although I am hardly a Mac newbie as I own an XServe based web company) and on pre-concieved notions such as the quality of virtual 5.1 surround compared to true 5.1.

Fact of the matter is this is a new technology that is just being introduced to the US from Japan, and all other virtual surround sound systems fall way short of this product. So, before declaring it doesn't compare, please have a foundation you can stand on.

Again. I aplogize for the sales pitch. That was not my intension. All I can say is great mac product == excitement.

rainman::|:|
Sep 4, 2004, 01:00 PM
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=87237

can you understand why everyone thinks you're a spammer?

paul

solvs
Sep 4, 2004, 01:04 PM
Hahaha, ok, well I'm sorry for giving my opinion.

Again. I aplogize for the sales pitch.
Your opinion is fine, the sales pitch is not. At least without us knowing you a little better. Please don't be offended... just like you are entitled to your opinion, we are entitled to our skeptism. If you are on the level, stick around, but keep a thick skin. You'll know better next time.

tonyeck
Sep 4, 2004, 01:06 PM
cool, a student who owns a xserve based web company! get you!

My point was, you said:

"you get an amazing sound field that rivals true 5.1 systems"

Which imo, isn't possible sorry!

Good your excited bout mac products tho!

mattv123
Sep 4, 2004, 01:17 PM
I give up. I am shutting down my account here.

I cannot believe all of the negative feedback. I am sure you get people that spam occasionally, but you shoot those who sometimes give genuine advice. There are good people out there.

The guy was asking for a speaker system for his college dorm room. Well guess what, I am in college, and have a Niro speaker system. So, I told him what I have, and passed on my recommendation. Sorry that is hard for you to digest.

I can totally understand being concerned if I made a post and all I tried to do was sell the damn thing, but I am just telling you my experiance with it.

To prove I have it and am a dedicated mac fan, look at the pictures of it integrated with my system.

I don't really feel like justifying myself any more about my intensions. So I leave you the option to email me if you really are insterested. Otherwise, you guys can complain about how i'm just trying to sell the thing for the rest of this thread.

I'm going down to the beach to surf. Peace!

mattv123
Sep 4, 2004, 01:23 PM
I didn't mean to be genealizing by saying "you all", some people who posted have some really genuine constructive criticism and valid points. To those people, I say, "Rock on, you keep the mac community awesome."

To the others, well, lighten up :)

Ok, way too long inside today with the surf outside awaiting. Have a good day!

wPod
Sep 4, 2004, 01:37 PM
mattv123. . . dont leave. . . just dont say anything else about speakers. im going to have to follow up this post like i did on the college dorm speakers that i first saw you post.

those speakers sound like they dont work. the web-site claims that they work in any size/shape of a room. from a semi-audiophile's point of view this is imposible. to get the actual effect of such a system youd have to have a room specificly designed to fit the speakers. not to say they sound bad, but they couldnt be as amazing as they claim to be. the idea of a true 5.1 system is to actually have the speakers placed as specific locations and thus a feel of 'location' from sound. the problem with 5 speakers at one sources is you will have cancelation at various parts of the room as the waves interfere. i understand this wave interference is how they imitate 5.1 sound for some parts, but they must also acknoledge that there will be negative wave interferance wich will cause bad spots (or if a very acurate wave is played through the speakers you could have completely silent spots) so yeah id not recomend them. and as for mattv123 come back to the forums, just dont mentions speakers again! :-) we always welcome mac lovers here!

crap freakboy
Sep 4, 2004, 01:51 PM
Shame about that, even if it was spam it was relatively lowfat spam...wasn't really doing any harm imo.
I don't really believe the relationship between number of posts and integrity is that valid, I've seen many forums full of the most stupid/childish post by senior members. Saying that, I still believe MacRumors is one of the few remaining forums that manages to police itself with great success.
I do miss the old highly technical posts from agents within Apple, you know the 'really' ubergeek technical ones....ahhh well

stevehaslip
Sep 4, 2004, 01:53 PM
that was a bit harsh guys, it seems that however he came off in his first post he is actually a mac user and not just someone trying to sell something. I'd like to welcome you to the forum and say that if you can overlook this incident I'm sure you will feel right at home here soon enough. Its just that recently we've had a few too many people just coming here to post FREE IPOD adverts. No hard feelings?

tonyeck
Sep 4, 2004, 02:22 PM
Ok, way too long inside today with the surf outside awaiting. Have a good day!


I went surfing in San Francisco last month an it was awesome. You would prob like the waves here in Miami at the moment! (however, not the hurricane that comes with it) Have a good day! (some waves have been high as 15ft in ft Lordedale

Hope you decide to stick around!

mattv123
Sep 4, 2004, 03:32 PM
Well, you guys redeemed yourself: that is the attitude of members I love to be associated with. So, I'll shut up about speakers, even though I am persoanlly very impressed with them (:)) and we can go on about macs from here.

Thanks guys.

invaLPsion
Sep 4, 2004, 03:47 PM
mattv123. . . dont leave. . . just dont say anything else about speakers. im going to have to follow up this post like i did on the college dorm speakers that i first saw you post.

those speakers sound like they dont work. the web-site claims that they work in any size/shape of a room. from a semi-audiophile's point of view this is imposible. to get the actual effect of such a system youd have to have a room specificly designed to fit the speakers. not to say they sound bad, but they couldnt be as amazing as they claim to be. the idea of a true 5.1 system is to actually have the speakers placed as specific locations and thus a feel of 'location' from sound. the problem with 5 speakers at one sources is you will have cancelation at various parts of the room as the waves interfere. i understand this wave interference is how they imitate 5.1 sound for some parts, but they must also acknoledge that there will be negative wave interferance wich will cause bad spots (or if a very acurate wave is played through the speakers you could have completely silent spots) so yeah id not recomend them. and as for mattv123 come back to the forums, just dont mentions speakers again! :-) we always welcome mac lovers here!

Don't post anything about speakers?????

He has a right to post about speakers if he wants, it's an open forum. :mad:

Bose, also has a product which "claims" to have virtual 5.1 from a 2.1 package. All he did was recommend a product that claims the same thing, he shouldn't have his head bitten off for that... :mad:

crap freakboy
Sep 4, 2004, 03:48 PM
supersmashingreatmate! :D

mattv123
Sep 4, 2004, 04:02 PM
I have honestly not used my Niro system too much for 5.1 sound, since I don't watch many movies on my mac. However, I listen to a hell of a lot of music on my mac.

Regardless of whether or not the Niro can pull off great 5.1 sound, this thing totally kicks ass when it comes to putting out stereo from the optical output of my G5 and iTunes. You really get rich high- and mid-tones, and lows are great as well.

Basically, if you are looking for a compact solution that provides great audio for your computer, Niro is really the way to go. I mean, even if the 5.1 isn't PERFECT for DVDs, you still have a relatively amazing surround sound system for your computer.

Ok, now I am done with speakers. Thanks for listening :)

2A Batterie
Sep 4, 2004, 04:52 PM
I still somehow think Frank Stallone is behind all of this. I meam c/mon'... has anyone seen stayin alive??

howard
Sep 4, 2004, 05:22 PM
wow there are some skeptics on these forums. whew!

sorry for the rude welcome mattv

i personally would suggest ignoring anyone who is saying what they think about this speaker without having heard it.

everyone can have opinions, but please don't give them if you havn't tried what your judging.

Dr. Dastardly
Sep 4, 2004, 05:31 PM
That Niro 1.1 Pro II is pretty slick looking. That might pair up nice with the flat screen TV I've been looking at. :p

justinshiding
Sep 4, 2004, 06:40 PM
So as I listen to "Let Go" by Frou Frou (off the Garden State soundtrack), which sounds amazing with this setup, I tell you my intensions are genuine. I reread my post and it does kind of sound like a sales pitch, and for that I am sorry. I guess at the time that was the easiest way for me to express how strongly I feel about the product.



aah i love that song :)

Justin

jimsowden
Sep 4, 2004, 07:28 PM
Dude, that looks like a cinema display larger than a 23" that that spammer's speaker is on. Could it be? no, but what if its...

Abstract
Sep 4, 2004, 08:12 PM
Personally, I don't think anybody should take blame for disbelieving someone who's 1st and 2nd post sound like pure advertisement. If he's genuine, how am I supposed to know that? How many people have posted here as regular users to peddle crap. Roaming around here for Mac news and such, but only thought it was worthy to post here when he wanted to say something about a speaker?

But oh wait, he's a student who owns a company that uses an XServe, and he showed us a picture of his setup. The picture doesn't mean much.

His posts are the same as those of someone who was trying to sell something, got caught, and wanted to sound geniune and make you feel guilty for even suggesting that his intentions weren't genuine.

Now whether he was genuine or not.....well, I don't know. But after reading 3 of his posts (including the one in the other thread), he sounds like he's advertising, so how can anyone be guilty of disbelieving him?

Spock
Sep 4, 2004, 08:14 PM
Not only newbie, first and only post.

Wow, You never had a first post??

2A Batterie
Sep 4, 2004, 08:36 PM
I went back and read the first post of this topic and it reminds me of the response (that will answer why everyone on this thread iis skeptical) my mother gave to my little brother after Thanksgiving dinner when he asked why I was all sweaty. She responded: "He pushed too hard."

BrianKonarsMac
Sep 4, 2004, 08:38 PM
this system is designed for people without lots of room. what i want to know is what is that box on top of your G5, is that the control for the speakers?

you'll never get TRUE 5.1 sound with this, but i wouldn't be surprised if your average consumer couldn't even tell the difference between listening to this and a real 5.1 setup. although it just seems so wrong, but did anyone ever see that flat speaker i think toshiba or someone made a prototype of? basically it was like 1,000 1 inch tweeters or something all pointing in different directions with this phase canceling stuff, it looked sweet, i remember seeing it in Popular Science & Tech (a very interesting mag).

AppleMatt
Sep 4, 2004, 09:07 PM
So I'm a 6502 but deleted my avatar ages ago.
Where does that leave me :confused:

AppleMatt (liked/trusted/hated/distrusted/ignored)

Little Endian
Sep 4, 2004, 09:20 PM
I have honestly not used my Niro system too much for 5.1 sound, since I don't watch many movies on my mac. However, I listen to a hell of a lot of music on my mac.

Regardless of whether or not the Niro can pull off great 5.1 sound, this thing totally kicks ass when it comes to putting out stereo from the optical output of my G5 and iTunes. You really get rich high- and mid-tones, and lows are great as well.

Basically, if you are looking for a compact solution that provides great audio for your computer, Niro is really the way to go. I mean, even if the 5.1 isn't PERFECT for DVDs, you still have a relatively amazing surround sound system for your computer.

Ok, now I am done with speakers. Thanks for listening :)

Well I would expect at least Kick ass sound regardsless if it pulls of good 5.1 when prices for these systems run $450-$2000

wPod
Sep 4, 2004, 09:56 PM
Don't post anything about speakers?????

He has a right to post about speakers if he wants, it's an open forum. :mad:

Bose, also has a product which "claims" to have virtual 5.1 from a 2.1 package. All he did was recommend a product that claims the same thing, he shouldn't have his head bitten off for that... :mad:

im just saying that b/c everyone is bugging him too much about it, so if he doesnt mention it then noone will have anything to bug him about. im glad he has decided to stay with the forums. its just a tough way for him to leaern what to post and what not to post. i learned not to post in the classified section b/c everyone there criticizes everything and drives down the price. come on i said he should stay in the forums cause he is obviously a guy that likes macs!

mattv123
Sep 5, 2004, 01:26 AM
Dude, that looks like a cinema display larger than a 23" that that spammer's speaker is on. Could it be? no, but what if its...

Well, if you want to try to force aligations and make things up to make me look bad, I will shut you right back down....

The monitor is a 23" HD monitor, but the speaker is only about 12" wide. Therefore, the picture I took with my iSight was only a portion of my monitor.

Got any more? ;)

mattv123
Sep 5, 2004, 01:35 AM
this system is designed for people without lots of room. what i want to know is what is that box on top of your G5, is that the control for the speakers?


Yup, that is the amp. I have a 3 foot fiber optic cable plugged into the back of it coming from my mac. I think there are a total of 4 wires coming into it including the power.

This tech was developed in Japan my Nakamishi or something; he basically invented the tape deck and did a lot of high end audio.

And just FYI, while I was researching the system I got, I also stumbled upon some integrated amps that ran for something like $15,000.... I have no idea how they work or why they are so expensive, but aparently they are quite amazing products. I could not find them on their website for sale, so maybe they are special order or something.

mattv123
Sep 5, 2004, 02:00 AM
Personally, I don't think anybody should take blame for disbelieving someone who's 1st and 2nd post sound like pure advertisement. If he's genuine, how am I supposed to know that? How many people have posted here as regular users to peddle crap. Roaming around here for Mac news and such, but only thought it was worthy to post here when he wanted to say something about a speaker?

But oh wait, he's a student who owns a company that uses an XServe, and he showed us a picture of his setup. The picture doesn't mean much.

His posts are the same as those of someone who was trying to sell something, got caught, and wanted to sound geniune and make you feel guilty for even suggesting that his intentions weren't genuine.

Now whether he was genuine or not.....well, I don't know. But after reading 3 of his posts (including the one in the other thread), he sounds like he's advertising, so how can anyone be guilty of disbelieving him?

I can totally understand your concern. Frankly, if I were common to this forum, i maybe would be a little pissed (at first) as well: some random person with no creditability throwing out a sales-pitch-like review and expecting everyone to believe it. How dare he?

Well, I dared. I have always had a passion for mac stuff but never really had anything too different to say besides what was already being said in these forums (or forums in general). So, when I had something unique, something I felt would enchance the mac that much further beyond those rediculous windows boxes, I wanted to have my voice heard! I wanted to gain attention to this product because I think it was great, and would basically just make people's experience at their macs that much better.

This is what it comes down to: by me telling you about this product, I am getting no money or kick backs or anything from Niro. I am getting absolutely nothing from these posts except for a headache while reading these continous aligations, where as originally I was hoping to spark a constructive and thoughtful discussion about this product and it's use with the Mac.

But, i guess this is a fundamental problem with the veil cast over everyone and everything when it comes to communication through the internet: you have no idea who I am, what I do, or if I can be a marginally creditable forum poster.

So beyond this, I am wasting my time trying to validate who I am or what I do. Take my word as you will, and post back if you want to discuss the system... Otherwise, lets stop wasting hard drive space complaining about if I am creditable or not.

Take care and good night.

Matt Vlasach
matt@mattvlasach.com

iMeowbot
Sep 5, 2004, 02:12 AM
This tech was developed in Japan my Nakamishi or something; he basically invented the tape deck and did a lot of high end audio.

That's one point that really runs me the wrong way about the Niro marketing. It was Etsuro Nakamichi who founded the company and did the really innovative stuff there; Niro is from the same family but seems to be taking far too much credit for things. Maybe his products really are good, but the marketing bothers me.

Blue Velvet
Sep 5, 2004, 02:12 AM
People unjustifiably having a pop at you is one thing.

Posting 3 times in a row in the space of 35mins on the thread you started, is what some might call a...

*bump*

...and some people may not like that, either.

dav
Sep 5, 2004, 03:25 AM
Mattv is getting shot down for posting a "Product Recommendation" in the "Product Recommendation" forum. I don't get it. If you are skeptical, don't buy it.. Nothing is forced here :D

davecuse
Sep 5, 2004, 07:07 AM
Mattv is getting shot down for posting a "Product Recommendation" in the "Product Recommendation" forum. I don't get it. If you are skeptical, don't buy it.. Nothing is forced here :D

Honestly, the guy is just trying to help everyone out. Looks like he was just excited about a recent purchase, I think we've all been there. Cut him some slack.

I don't have an avatar, but I'm no troll...

FuzzyBallz
Sep 5, 2004, 12:05 PM
Integrated audio = crap audio. Period.

cal6n
Sep 5, 2004, 03:30 PM
Until I read through this thread I'd forgotten about a visit I'd made to London's Science Museum a few years ago. On display was a computer monitor with a couple of simple controls for controlling the flight path of a bee around a person's head in the centre of the screen. As I controlled the "virtual bee", from a single speaker grill in front of me, I could hear the bee flying around me and place it spatially by the sound alone. We are talking direction and distance in three dimensions (ie. including height!) and it was very, very impressive. The technical details were, as I recall, that the shape of one's ears and head affected or distorted the sound waves before they reached the eardrum and the brain then decodes this distortion to position the sound. If this distortion is artificially mapped onto a sound then the brain can be fooled into placing the sound where it is required.

My memory of this demonstration is remarkably similar to the "Head Related Transfer Function" mentioned in New Scientist here:

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994373&lpos=related_article1

So Mattv, thanks for the heads-up on this one! Since downsizing my living space and having to store my beloved Linn/Naim Hifi, (including one of Niro Nakamichi's beautiful 3 head cassette decks) I've been missing out on good sounds. I KNOW this technology works, I trust the man behind it and I'm looking forward to using it!

To the moaners out there, you're probably the same type of people who "proved" that stereo could never sound as good as mono! Accept that there can be new tech which is far superior to the mainstream and that a forum like this is the ideal place to discuss it. It shouldn't be that hard. We all use Macs after all! :cool:

Champale
Sep 5, 2004, 04:01 PM
As a fellow 'newbie' who hasn't made a gazillions posts yet, thanks for the tip.

Personally, I've been curious about the Niro's ever since I read about 'em on cnet.com.

I may have to check them out now.

:)

Hmm. Just yesterday I was a newbie. I guess I must've just been upgraded! Hehe.

solvs
Sep 6, 2004, 11:13 PM
Got any more? ;)
See, that's the spirit.

If you would have left, we would have labeled you a spammer. If you stay and fight and prove yourself... well, we still may make fun of you. The best advice I can give is fight back. We are a skeptical lot, just to warn you.

mattv123
Sep 6, 2004, 11:55 PM
See, that's the spirit.

If you would have left, we would have labeled you a spammer. If you stay and fight and prove yourself... well, we still may make fun of you. The best advice I can give is fight back. We are a skeptical lot, just to warn you.

Hahaha, perfect. This would not be a good discussion board if people wern't skeptics. And if I were to fall by being made fun of, and not be able to hit right back, that would not be a good way to gain respect as a "newbie".

Take care and goodnight.

iJon
Sep 7, 2004, 12:23 AM
I browse quite a few forums. the ones that have gotten the worse are the ones where almost every thread has a response like "troll" or something along those lines.

I might be the only one who doesn't care whether its an ad or not. he showed us some product we can use with out macs. to me it sounds like a stupid setup, but others it might be perfect. i guess i just don't get worked like other people do

iJon

jared_kipe
Sep 7, 2004, 12:55 AM
Ok, to address the issue of the "5.1" experiance. Sound is a wave, it diffuses and spreads out around corners. It does this much better than light, for instance have a buddy stand in one cubicle and you in another and see if you can't hear him muttering on about TPS reports. Now have the same buddy shine a flashlight at the top of the partition. Chances are that you won't directly see the flashlight due to diffusion, but you might see a reflection. So the sound from all the speakers will diffuse.

What do we perceive as directional audio? In honesty, it doesn't really matter where something is coming from, if it comes from the right side we hear it just as loud in the left ear, the difference is the ever so slight time delay it takes for it to get to the other ear. We can't hear the time delay, but our brain is very good at making heads and tails out of the sounds from that tiger creeping up from the right. So what have we learned? Doesn't matter where it comes from, just how long it takes to get to the ear.

Now then exibit A. my crudely drawn diagram.

jared_kipe
Sep 7, 2004, 01:12 AM
What you are seeing is a wave front from 4 speakers (but I only had room enough to continue 2 speaker wavefronts). The dashed lines are where the wave crests line up, this is where the maximum constructive interference lines up. What this means is that the sounds will be loudest on these lines. They appear whenever the path difference (linear distance from speaker to where the wavefront meets another wave) is in phase. Meaning that the path difference is ? L (wave length, if anybody knows lambda, please share). The center line is 0?, the next one is ? then 2? and so on. Now this won't matter AT ALL because sound frequency (and thus wavelength) is constantly changing. But it does matter for the center line, the path difference will always be zero on the center line, for every frequency. BAM center channel. (not sure if you can perceive it being as your ears are not on the center line)

Now then, what about the other 4 channels. Well obviously 2 of those will be worked out, because if you count lines from one speaker on any of the other dashed lines you will realize they are out of phase by multiples of ?, and thus they have an ever so slight time lag. That time lag tells us that they are in different places. So here is the kicker, what if we made that time delay even more severe by making the back speakers one more wave crest behind the front two? As in we simply start counting waves from the back speakers after we already counted one of the front ones. Well then, with a little calculations and testing, it might be very possible to fool your ears into thinking those speakers were beside, or even behind, you.

Now then, this is all theory, and of course we must worry about reflection too, but reflection would only help matters out, because the reflected sounds would have to reflect off of the walls around you, so it could only make the sound come from closer around you. Remember sound moves fast, your living room would have to be quite big for there to be such a time delay that you might notice. Of course where I am, it is late and I am tired, so this might not make sense in the morning.

pianojoe
Sep 7, 2004, 02:40 AM
I have honestly not used my Niro system too much for 5.1 sound, since I don't watch many movies on my mac. However, I listen to a hell of a lot of music on my mac.

I was wondering like everybody else if a system like that could provide true 5.1. Those phase things sound plausible to me, I'm running a recording studio, and I know there are psychoacoustic effects to make you believe the sound source is behind you even on a 2.1 system.

However, mattv123 is listening to 2-channel audio, and that makes all the difference. I definitely believe that this system will add some nice 3D FX to the sound, but that doesn't make it a fully-fledged 5.1 system.

I'd like to listen to that baby though.