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arn
Aug 6, 2002, 04:53 AM
Apple Australia (http://www.apple.com.au/seminars/macosx/) is promoting Mac OS X between August 26, 2002 and September 9, 2002 at Apple Seminars in Australia. Of interest is the paragraph on "Why Attend?":

Discover one of the world's most innovative and powerful operating system - Mac OS X v10.2. At this free, two-hour seminar, you'll learn how to work with the ultimate computing platform. See the next generation of Apple hardware in action.

Marketing misrepresentation? Or not...

moomin
Aug 6, 2002, 05:15 AM
I got this in email and snail mail

It also refers to the x serve. That is the next gen of hardware as far as aussie mac expo goes!!

DannyZR2
Aug 6, 2002, 05:22 AM
I'd say this is definately talking about the new PowerMacs that will be coming out... BUT

I DO like the phrase "next generation" versus "faster" or "upgraded" or "new"

This "next generation" hints at more than just a speed bump.. perhaps the 7500 with HT or RapidIO? Dare I say G5?????

nah!

pev
Aug 6, 2002, 05:23 AM
This is probably just a reference to the nex 'generation' of PowerMac hardware thats coming in on the 13th.

~Pev

beno
Aug 6, 2002, 05:25 AM
5 August has come and gone.

If there is supposed to be an unveiling of new PowerMacs between now and the 24th, wouldn't we have seen the press invitations by now?

DannyZR2
Aug 6, 2002, 05:28 AM
huh???

arn
Aug 6, 2002, 05:31 AM
Originally posted by beno
5 August has come and gone.

If there is supposed to be an unveiling of new PowerMacs between now and the 24th, wouldn't we have seen the press invitations by now?

Apple doesn't necessarily have a press event with every introduction. Simply a pressrelease in many cases.

The iPod had a 1 week invitation time preceeding it.

arn

DannyZR2
Aug 6, 2002, 05:37 AM
and the imac was an entirely new product for apple...

A powermac is expected and everyone knows it's coming..

I remember the iMac g3 had a big hooplah about it, .. it too was a brand new production for apple..

j763
Aug 6, 2002, 05:38 AM
OMG!!! I saw this the other day and thought to myself "i wonder who will pick up on this first -- MOSR or SpyMac???"...

I cannot believe that this is being taken at all seriously. If you have had any dealings with Apple Australia whatsoever you would already be aware that they are all a bunch of incompetent dolts. But for those of you who have had no dealings with them yet... APPLE AUSTRALIA ARE THE MOST STUPID, ANNOYING, INCOMPETENT, IGNORANT GROUP OF PPL YOU COULD POSSIBLY FIND.

Considering the fact that only 2 ppl on the senior management team at Apple Australia actually use Macs (yes, the rest use wintel, none use *nix), I seriously doubt anyone at Apple Australia would have a clue about what hardware apple sells currently, let alone what's coming up. Even if Cupertino did let Sydney in on what's upcoming, not even the dolts in Apple Australia management would let a lowly webmaster know what's coming out...

I will be attending the Melbourne event... Anyone else going? Let me know.

mac15
Aug 6, 2002, 05:39 AM
welldone apple.au , its about time they did somethign apple, since they skimp on everything, I would love to go see it, Apple.au have to be the worst country on apple, they get nothing compared to australias iize , but I guess on population its fair enough, Only 19.5million people

j763
Aug 6, 2002, 05:43 AM
Oh yes, and i forgot to mention:

APPLE AUSTRALIA SELLS LESS MACS IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY vs. SAN FRANCISCO METRO (that's right -- excl. bay area)!!!!!

Macette
Aug 6, 2002, 05:53 AM
hey j763 – i'll be there... we could, like, you know...


teehee.

DannyZR2
Aug 6, 2002, 05:53 AM
whoa!!! take it somewhere else!!!!

arn
Aug 6, 2002, 06:04 AM
Originally posted by Macette
hey j763 – i'll be there... we could, like, you know...
teehee.

OT: Ah yes, MacRumors.com: mac news, rumors and get a little action™

arn

theranch
Aug 6, 2002, 06:29 AM
I guess we'll find out at the end of this month if we're getting a "next generation" machine huh? It sounds interesting...

G4scott
Aug 6, 2002, 07:22 AM
Originally posted by DannyZR2
This "next generation" hints at more than just a speed bump.. perhaps the 7500 with HT or RapidIO? Dare I say G5?????

Dare! Dare! :D :p :cool:

non fiction
Aug 6, 2002, 07:23 AM
Originally posted by j763

I cannot believe that this is being taken at all seriously. If you have had any dealings with Apple Australia whatsoever you would already be aware that they are all a bunch of incompetent dolts. But for those of you who have had no dealings with them yet... APPLE AUSTRALIA ARE THE MOST STUPID, ANNOYING, INCOMPETENT, IGNORANT GROUP OF PPL YOU COULD POSSIBLY FIND.


I couldn't agree more!! I am surprised how many macrumor dwellers live in australia. Its amazing that apple is still in existence down here. If you want a lesson in how to destroy a company in 3 seconds flat, arrange a meeting with apple australia and they will let you in on all the key concepts.

If it weren't for the product and the fanatically loyal apple users, you would have to ship your mac into australia on your own. Apple would be looong gone down under.

The typo in the quote in question is another example of their complete incompetence.

Wintel boxes at apple australia !!! If true, what a disgrace- but it explains a lot........

Atomic
Aug 6, 2002, 07:27 AM
Yep I already registered for this too - am going to the Sydney event.

Also got this as im a registered dev.

====================================================================

MAC OS X TECH TALK

Tuesday 27 August: Sydney, NSW
Wednesday 28 August: Melbourne, VICTORIA

<http://techtalk.apple.com/?Event=Australia20020827>

====================================================================
Dear Developer,

The Apple Developer Connection is pleased to invite developers who
are new to Mac OS X to attend a free Mac OS X Tech Talk in either
Sydney or Melbourne near the end of this month.

Tech Talks are designed for developers who wish to learn more
about Mac OS X's standards-based development architecture. Several
topics will be covered, including:

* Mac OS X Technology Overview - Investigate the structure of
Mac OS X and the range of development options it offers. You'll
learn about Darwin (the UNIX-based, open source core of
platform), plus Mac OS X's powerful graphics technologies,
development frameworks, and eye-catching "Aqua" user interface.

* Porting to Mac OS X - Find out how quickly you can port Java and
UNIX-based applications to Mac OS X. You'll also learn ways to
extend Java and Unix applications by accessing native services.

* Java Support in Mac OS X - Explore Mac OS X's robust
implementation of Sun's Java 2 Platform, Standard Edition (J2SE).
You'll learn how to use the JFC/Swing API to give your
application the "Aqua" look-and-feel, plus details on the Java
HotSpot virtual machine, familiar development tools, and much
more.

* Cocoa Development Overview - Discover how to create full-featured
applications that use a lot less code with Cocoa, Mac OS X's
object-oriented framework for rapid application development.

-------------------------
DATES AND LOCATIONS
-------------------------

Tuesday 27 August 2002
Time: 12:00 to 17:00 (includes refreshments)
Mac OS X Tech Talk - Sydney, NSW
The Powerhouse Museum
Coles Theatre
500 Harris Street, Ultimo

Wednesday 28 August 2002
Time: 12:00 to 17:00 (includes refreshments)
Mac OS X Tech Talk - Melbourne, VICTORIA
Victorian College of the Arts
Federation Hall
234 St Kilda Road, Melbourne

-------------------------
RESERVE YOUR SPOT TODAY
-------------------------
Mac OS X offers developers and their users the best of both worlds.
Don't miss this opportunity to discover for yourself how compelling
the simplicity of Macintosh combined with the power of UNIX can be.

Seating is limited so please reserve your place soon using the form
located at <http://techtalk.apple.com/?Event=Australia20020827>.

If you'd like to learn more about Mac OS X before attending a
briefing, visit the following URLs:

http://developer.apple.com/unix/
http://developer.apple.com/java/
http://developer.apple.com/macosx/gettingstarted/

If you have any other questions, please feel free to contact us at
mailto:techtalk@apple.com. We look forward to meeting you this
August!

Best regards,

Apple Developer Connection

jmoj
Aug 6, 2002, 07:59 AM
Yes, I agree with the views on apple.au, I am hoping to go too, this is the response i got ....


Thank you for your interest in attending the Mac OS X Tech Talk.
Your information has been received and your request for registration
is being considered. If space is available you will receive a
confirmation email with time and location information regarding
your requested date of:

Requested Date: August 27 - Sydney, NSW.

This is NOT a confirmation of attendance. Please do not make travel
plans until you receive confirmation from Apple.

Please email techtalk@apple.com if you have any questions or comments.

Regards,
The Tech Talk team
Mac OS X Evangelism

mrMahann
Aug 6, 2002, 08:03 AM
altho not impossible, just... next week seems to make more sense. hope its not too much farther on than that.

#2 powerdyke? who's #1?

Beej
Aug 6, 2002, 08:05 AM
Anyone going to go to the Melbourne one? I'll be there.

Beej
Aug 6, 2002, 08:06 AM
Originally posted by arn


OT: Ah yes, MacRumors.com: mac news, rumors and get a little action™

arn LOL, but I think you need to have a closer look at macette's sig :D

Backtothemac
Aug 6, 2002, 08:19 AM
Originally posted by Macette
hey j763 – i'll be there... we could, like, you know...


teehee.

And next up to bat is Macette. She used to bat for the other team but now it appears that she may have become a 'switch' hitter :D

Good to see you back around here.

The Grimace
Aug 6, 2002, 08:20 AM
After checking out the page, it seems to be regular media hype to me. '...latest in ... hardware and software solutions' could mean AppleWorks on an eMac. But who knows for sure...

G4scott: How's this? (http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=26.20306&lon=-98.22972)

(tig)
"We do not inherit the land from our ancestors"
"We borrow it from our children"

maximage
Aug 6, 2002, 08:29 AM
J763, what the HELL are you talkin about? I work at an AppleCentre in Perth and just got back from Sydney where they had a major chunk of Apple guys there to train 120 of us AppleCentre guys on the Xserve. This was a 2 day event paid for by Apple, including flights, 5 star accom, etc. Apple wouldnt waste that kinda money if it didnt think it worthwhile. The Apple guys DO NOT all use wintel, thats crap, and alot of them DO know how to run UNIX. In the hands on sessions, we had to get into the console on an iBook hooked into 12 Xserves in a rack via gigabit switch or airport and configure them all, plus numerous other exercises. Several times I had to get their help, and they all seemed pretty clued in on it. Im sorry, but get your facts straight before you put this kind of crap on the net. I specially went to the trouble of registering specifically to point out the crap youve spread. You may have a problem with Apple for some reason, but dont just prattle off misinformation!

748s
Aug 6, 2002, 08:36 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by jmoj
[B]Yes, I agree with the views on apple.au, I am hoping to go too, this is the response i got ....


looks like they are still out of control. i just registered (11:30pm tuesday) for the sydney show and got a confirmation of a seat.

theaz
Aug 6, 2002, 08:52 AM
j763, I fully agree with you. I have had a bit to deal with them, and whilst they seem to be well intentioned, to me (an outsider) it seems that the amount of administration clogs everything up. But what do you do? Complaints and suggestions go unheard... I am surprised that this situation has lasted so long. I guess the reason is that the competition is no better :)

mcrain
Aug 6, 2002, 08:57 AM
Welcome Maximage.

Now that you've registered, don't be a stranger. We'd all like to see your additions to these discussions.

Macette
Aug 6, 2002, 09:07 AM
Originally posted by Backtothemac


And next up to bat is Macette. She used to bat for the other team but now it appears that she may have become a 'switch' hitter :D

Good to see you back around here.

Batter up.. :D

maximage
Aug 6, 2002, 09:19 AM
Thanks Mcrain! I expected to get flamed because of the harshness of my response! :) I dont think Apple is perfect, but if people think of the size of the company and the variety of products they produce, software, hardware, and the kind of proprietary parts they have to handle it puts it into perspective. Australian law states that if a company sells an electrical product, then it must support it with spare parts for 10 years. Think of all the different parts and styles of products they have had in that time (you should see the size of their warehouse in Oz), then I think people would see why there are methods to their apparent madness in terms of paperwork.
And back to the original topic, sort of, none of the Apple guys were letting any secrets out, no matter how many drinks we plied them with while clubbing on the Friday night! The only thing weve been told is to make sure we definately clear our stock in the next week or so, with a hinted emphasis that whats coming will put the current stock to shame, making it impossible to move the old stuff.

j763
Aug 6, 2002, 09:24 AM
I don't have anything against you -- you're just wrong.

Here's the flamage:

Originally posted by maximage
I recently got back from Sydney
of course. i mean, apple's office in perth is filled with a whole two ppl...

Originally posted by maximage
train 120 of us AppleCentre guys on the Xserve.

Do you know the sales figures for the xserve in Australia???!!!

Originally posted by maximage
This was a 2 day event paid for by Apple, including flights, 5 star accom, etc.
I didn't say they were cheap. I said they were stupid, incompetent and inept.

Originally posted by maximage
Apple wouldnt waste that kinda money if it didnt think it worthwhile.

If I were you, I wouldn't be surprised, considering the great success of the xserve, if you're not invited back to the 5star hotels for a while...

Originally posted by maximage
The Apple guys DO NOT all use wintel, thats crap
Well, there's no way I could convince you of that is there. But I hope you'll settle for "AppleCenters use Wintel", because I can prove that. See below!

Originally posted by maximage
a lot of them DO know how to run UNIX.

Everyone on this board in Australia, ring up apple now 133622, dial through the menu to AppleCare Technical Support and ask how to edit your hosts file under Mac OS X. You will have to go through at least 5 people before you get an answer... and the answer will probably be wrong.

Originally posted by maximage
Several times I had to get their help, and they all seemed pretty clued in on it.

Are you in Sales or are you a tech? If you're a salesperson, WTF are you being trained in the xserve and if you're a tech, you just proved my point.

Originally posted by maximage
I specially went to the trouble of registering specifically to point out the crap youve spread.
Well, I hope you enjoy MR.


Since you brought up the xserve, let's take a moment to have a look at its adoption. And since you claim to be an employee of one of the many fine apple retailers (note sarcasm) in Australia, let's just take a moment to look at the adoption of the xserve within Apple Retailers themselves.

MyMacAustralia -- Running on Microsoft Windows 2000

Desktop Power -- Running on Mambo Site Server

NextByte -- Running on FreeBSD

Pentagon -- Running on Microsoft Windows 2000

maximage, I really think you should remove your head from your back ori:eek:ice and look up to see that AppleCenters are using BackOffice.

maximage
Aug 6, 2002, 09:44 AM
So where to start? Xserve is a total new direction for Apple that theyve never been in before, in a serious manner, and theyre entering an entrenched marketplace, so naturally itll take time to get the ball rolling. No, im not a tech, im in sales looking after the professional end of the market, so personally dont use unix, but can see where Xserve would shine (video, etc). And besides, we use Macs, running ON Unix, NOT Unix itself, if you can follow my point. How many people using their Mac every day actually use Unix? Its the Mac OS that Apple sell and support, NOT the underlying Unix itself. The console is really there for people who want to play with it and already know what theyre doing. And I cant talk for other stores, but we personally use a program running on OS X for ALL of our stock control, sales, appointments, contacts, etc....

The Grimace
Aug 6, 2002, 10:44 AM
The console is really there for people who want to play with it and already know what theyre doing

Um, I'm no Unix guru or anything, just a simple wannabe, but isn't the console simply a means to view system messages? Perhaps you mean Terminal (Mac OS X's shell interface)?

(tig)
"We do not inherit the land from our ancestors"
"We borrow it from our children"

testnull
Aug 6, 2002, 04:48 PM
Originally posted by The Grimace


Um, I'm no Unix guru or anything, just a simple wannabe, but isn't the console simply a means to view system messages? Perhaps you mean Terminal (Mac OS X's shell interface)?


Try typing '>console' at the username prompt... and be amazed. There's two uses for the word "console" in the UNIX word - the physical terminal attached to the machine, and a program that takes messages intended for that and displays it on a non-local (or non-text) display, like Console.app and xconsole do.

ibookin'
Aug 6, 2002, 05:19 PM
Originally posted by maximage
So where to start? Xserve is a total new direction for Apple that theyve never been in before

Apple Network Server, anyone?

agoldweber
Aug 6, 2002, 05:23 PM
I don't think they'll bother releasing new PowerMacs until they're truly ready to kill OS 9. the latest rumors put that in January.

why would they put out a box--even with DDR--if a whole new configuration (and new motherboard design) is right around the corner?

I think they'll ride their current line until 1st Q. 2003 when G5s and all the bells and whistles come with it.

The Grimace
Aug 6, 2002, 07:33 PM
Try typing '>console' at the username prompt... and be amazed.

Wow! That is pretty cool. Good to know about. Thanks for the tip.

(tig)
"We do not inherit the land from our ancestors"
"We borrow it from our children"

scem0
Aug 6, 2002, 10:33 PM
Originally posted by agoldweber
I don't think they'll bother releasing new PowerMacs until they're truly ready to kill OS 9. the latest rumors put that in January.

why would they put out a box--even with DDR--if a whole new configuration (and new motherboard design) is right around the corner?

I think they'll ride their current line until 1st Q. 2003 when G5s and all the bells and whistles come with it.

God I hope your wrong :( . If a computer doest come out by the end of the month I will be pissed, but if one doesnt come out by the end of this year! That will be the liimit, I think Ill be forced into the Wintel world :eek: . I dont like it anymore then y'all do. But I really dont think that apple will do this because a lot of people would ditch their macs for PCs if apple didnt upgrade their already old line of PMs until 2003.

cleo
Aug 6, 2002, 11:11 PM
Originally posted by mrMahann
#2 powerdyke? who's #1?

That would be me, of course! Nice to meet 'ya. :D

mac15
Aug 7, 2002, 01:04 AM
ha I'm going, I registred, so any sydney biyz or girls want to come along just PM or whatever no wait email me

bunton
Aug 7, 2002, 01:32 AM
Well now 12 year old is just a random title or a mistake maybe they ment soft instead of hard, like a boner, hard not soft. Or they want this to be a mac event like all mac like never befor like only doors no windows and no soft micro or any other and that might be y?

maximage
Aug 7, 2002, 01:47 AM
Apologies about my console vs terminal stuffup, I was typing in the wee hours of the morning having had 2 hours sleep each night for the last 5 days. As for the previous Apple server systems, just ask anyone at Apple and they will happily admit that theyve never done the job properly. Previous servers have been either altered PowerMacs or run proprietary software that was nothing like the standard OS. The Xserve is their first PROPER attempt at the market. An as for the complaint J763 or whatever his name is made about the Perth having only 2 guys in the Apple office, so friggin what? Look at the size of Perth, its a SMALL city. How much more do you really need? First off you whinge that theres too much administration, paperwork, management etc (that was the jist, sorry cant remember the exact quote, forgive me) but then complain that a small city only has two guys physically here? Which way do you want it?:confused: We have about 6 AppleCentres / Authorised Solutions Providers and a handfull of other resellers, hardly enough to justify more face to face staff. Most of our support and ordering is over the phone or net anyway.

bunton
Aug 7, 2002, 02:04 AM
What are you talking about buddy

I clearly talked about twelve year old girls and Boners in that last message

Is this a normal everyday thing or what?

ntg
Aug 7, 2002, 05:36 AM
"Analyst predicts Apple-Intel link:- Apple Computer will likely shift to using Intel chips, while circumstances exist that could well push Dell Computer and Sun Microsystems into a friendly embrace, predicted Bear Stearns analyst Andrew Neff."

Talking of future Macs, how about this (from ZDNet - http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t275-s2120297,00.html)

Could be an interesting development, if it turns out to be true....

digitalrampage
Aug 7, 2002, 06:44 AM
We just had an xServe 2 day training seminar... its not to do with the xServe...

We are all so interested, our manager today was talking about closing down for the afternoon for the entire shop to attend it ... (I work in a Major Sydney based AppleCentre)

Very very interesting

mrMahann
Aug 7, 2002, 07:25 AM
cleo, nice to meet ya! two exaulted titles (#1p/d & of somewhat lesser importance <g>, m/r d-g), very impressive. and #2 p/d is still nothin' to sneeze at macette... good friend of mine lives n of melbourne.

i'm also at the end of the rope. can see them doing a speed bump, or getting similar momboard to xServe, and w/ same/similar to current case (BLECH!).

as t'is, have been using SuSE8 for an increasing amt of my daily computering; once i can get my dev environment (omnis studio) going it'll essentially just be email and graphic converter on the os9 mac (7500/g3/333).

am moving to PHP and postgreSQL and life would be so much easier on X w/ that, but hate to buy a new machine when, as someone mentioned earlier, new ones w/ much greater capability is in q1-2-3 next year. am considering a 533dualie to get me thru til then.

anyway, hope steve surprises us...