I Love Safari but...

[danrufus]

why can't I use internet banking websites.

Where does Steve Jobs keep his billions????
Where is the mythical bank that is compatible with Safari????

The only reason I don't use this browser is because it doesn't access, banking and I hate using more than one.

APPLE DEVELOPERS, please fix this.

Thanks,
A frustrated Safari banker

[edesignuk]

Mine works fine, Alliance & Leicester. I think you'll also probably find it's the banks that refuse Safari access, rather than it being Apples fault.

[danrufus]

I use Citibank UK and the internet login windows won't open properly (coding error?) in Safari...
but work fine in Internet Explorer.

Just a pet peeve, on a friday morning...need more coffee...

[edesignuk]

Exactly, they work in IE, and what can we conclude from this? Citibank have dumb web devs that code stuff for IE, to hell with standards! :rolleyes:

edit: what do you mean by won't open properly? is it a popup window not displaying? page rendered wrong? fields missing?

[Savage Henry]

Mine is perfectly OK with First Direct, and is sweet with my Egg accounts. Although I did use to have problems with the former, they were ironed out with the release of Safari 1.0. Those problems were when the popup window appeared, but didn't securely connect properly so shut me out.

But as I say, everything now is right rosy.

[yellow]

Yep, no problems here with multiple banks.

Have you sent bug reports to Apple, or are you just venting about it on forums?

More likely the problem is with the developer of the bank's website.

[danrufus]

How do I manually submit 'bug reports' to apple.

The Safari doesn't unexpectedly quit, just doesn't work.

[yellow]

How do I manually submit 'bug reports' to apple.

Pretty easy.

Go to the page that doesn't work. Safari pull-down menu -> "Report Bugs to Apple..."

or

View pull-down menu -> Bug -> Go to the page that doesn't work -> press bug button in Safari menubar.

Again I say, it's more likely a problem with the website then with Safari.

[Brize]

Exactly, they work in IE, and what can we conclude from this? Citibank have dumb web devs that code stuff for IE, to hell with standards!

This riles me more than anything else on the web. I tried to register for my university course yesterday and received the attached error message using both Firefox and Safari. I phoned to complain and they just asked why I wasn't using Internet Explorer. :rolleyes:

[zim]

It is not the web browser, I think it was already said here, it is the web developers that make the conscious decision to develop content that is not standard and thus will not be supported by anything but internet explorer.

Contacting the developers or the company and ask them to please reconsider the current web "solutions" and make their site more accessible by using web standards, typically they will say no or give a reason as to why they can not but in some cases you will receive free gifts is you cry foul... we got a load of coupons from company because we cried no fair :).

[munkle]

I rarely run into any problems with Safari but if you do just use the Debug menu. It just tricks the website into thinking that you're using IE, without having to dirty yourself by actually using it.

If the Debug menu isn't up you can activate it by going to the terminal and typing, "defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 1" (without the quotes). Some apps, like Onyx i think, have options to turn the Debug menu on to save you messsing with the terminal if it's not your thing.

[mfacey]

With the earlier versions of Safari I had similar problems. Apple seems to have implemented some more functionality in the software in the more recent versions. I originally had to use Netscape :eek: to access my internet banking service (ABN Amro here in the Netherlands) even IE didn't work but luckily Apple sorted those problems out.
I would have no problem using IE if M$ would actually update it from time to time. I've been using the same ol' version since OS10.1!!! Its just no good.

I have other issues with Safari, such as certain pages not displaying correctly. Also sites where I can't access any hyperlinks. The cursor turns into a finger when I hover over but clicking gives no reaction. Very odd indeed. Needless to say, this occurs mostly with European sites because most europeans don't know that there is a good alternative to Windoze.

Anyhow, Safari can only get better from now, so I'm happy.

[zim]

With the earlier versions of Safari I had similar problems. Apple seems to have implemented some more functionality in the software in the more recent versions. I originally had to use Netscape :eek: to access my internet banking service (ABN Amro here in the Netherlands) even IE didn't work but luckily Apple sorted those problems out.
I would have no problem using IE if M$ would actually update it from time to time. I've been using the same ol' version since OS10.1!!! Its just no good.

I have other issues with Safari, such as certain pages not displaying correctly. Also sites where I can't access any hyperlinks. The cursor turns into a finger when I hover over but clicking gives no reaction. Very odd indeed. Needless to say, this occurs mostly with European sites because most europeans don't know that there is a good alternative to Windoze.

Anyhow, Safari can only get better from now, so I'm happy.

Safari will get better :D.

Sometimes page rendering issues could be either a combination of either safari and the web page, just safari or the web page alone.

As for internet explorer, I personally feel it is best that people on Mac stop using it because MS has stopped developing for it as well as supporting it... internet explorer faq (http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/internetexplorer/internetexplorer.aspx?pid=faq#features)

[homerjward]

i read somewhere that icab can get into websites that are ie only by somehow telling the site it's internet explorer. does anyone know if that's true and/or could be done w/ safari?

[munkle]

i read somewhere that icab can get into websites that are ie only by somehow telling the site it's internet explorer. does anyone know if that's true and/or could be done w/ safari?

Try reading the thread!! ;)

I rarely run into any problems with Safari but if you do just use the Debug menu. It just tricks the website into thinking that you're using IE, without having to dirty yourself by actually using it.

If the Debug menu isn't up you can activate it by going to the terminal and typing, "defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 1" (without the quotes). Some apps, like Onyx i think, have options to turn the Debug menu on to save you messsing with the terminal if it's not your thing.

[yellow]

I would have no problem using IE if M$ would actually update it from time to time. I've been using the same ol' version since OS10.1!!! Its just no good.

It will never be updated.

[coconn06]

why can't I use internet banking websites.

Where does Steve Jobs keep his billions????
Where is the mythical bank that is compatible with Safari????

The only reason I don't use this browser is because it doesn't access, banking and I hate using more than one.

APPLE DEVELOPERS, please fix this.

Thanks,
A frustrated Safari banker


Wachovia online banking works fine in Safari. I've heard so many complaints about sites not working in Safari, but ALL the ones I've used work fine. Wachovia, Citibank, MBNA, etc. Some of the largest financial institutions.

[coconn06]

<rant>
Did I mention, being in part a web developer myself, that it pisses me off that some sites "don't work" in Safari. It's one thing if a site doesn't render properly in Safari (most sites design for IE, which is crap). But there's no reason the functional aspects of sites (other than, possibly, Javascript) should not work with Safari. That just shows poor design on the part of its developers.
</rant>

[garybUK]

It's usually when banks use ActiveX for their controls and web applications because they can link it streight into a SQL server back end. Pain in the bottom!

All my banks work fine with safari: Egg, Barclays, HSBC I suppose its just luck of the draw, there's always telephone banking :(

[yellow]

That just shows poor design on the part of its developers.

Hear, hear!

[zim]

<rant>
Did I mention, being in part a web developer myself, that it pisses me off that some sites "don't work" in Safari. It's one thing if a site doesn't render properly in Safari (most sites design for IE, which is crap). But there's no reason the functional aspects of sites (other than, possibly, Javascript) should not work with Safari. That just shows poor design on the part of its developers.
</rant>

Can you give some examples?

I also design for the web and have never had any issues with Safari. Are you using non standard coding?

As for sites not working, I use Safari everyday and have only found a small handful of sites that did not work and it just happen to be that those sites all used non standard coding methods. It is also important to mention that those same sites did not work with any of the Mozilla family browsers.

I do not want to have is sound that I am defending Safari because I know that it has had it's own share of issues but the most recent build seems to be great.

[coconn06]

Can you give some examples?

I also design for the web and have never had any issues with Safari. Are you using non standard coding?

As for sites not working, I use Safari everyday and have only found a small handful of sites that did not work and it just happen to be that those sites all used non standard coding methods. It is also important to mention that those same sites did not work with any of the Mozilla family browsers.

I do not want to have is sound that I am defending Safari because I know that it has had it's own share of issues but the most recent build seems to be great.

I realize that perhaps my "rant" was slightly unclear and could be misunderstood. So I'll clear that up: I was also defending Safari. I meant that the developers of non-standard websites, not the developers of Safari, practice poor design.

So we are in agreement about Safari and web developers using non-standard design and technology.

[danrufus]

sent bug to apple.
sent email to citibank uk.

developers, especially of large corporations, should code in a standard format.

i guess most (read all) of my frustration should be with citibank uk not apple.

daniel

[coconn06]

sent bug to apple.
sent email to citibank uk.

developers, especially of large corporations, should code in a standard format.

i guess most (read all) of my frustration should be with citibank uk not apple.

daniel

Your frustrations should also be with Microsoft, as it's their fault web developers use non-standard technologies and design. ::coughActiveXcough::

[yellow]

Is ActiveX what MS dubbed their version of Java?

[edesignuk]

Is ActiveX what MS dubbed their version of Java?ActiveX is the biggest security hole in history :p

[yellow]

ActiveX is the biggest security hole in history :p

I'm sure that's at the forefront of Microsoft's ad campaign. :)

"Develop with ActiveX! You'll be 0wN3D in a week!"

[zim]

I realize that perhaps my "rant" was slightly unclear and could be misunderstood. So I'll clear that up: I was also defending Safari. I meant that the developers of non-standard websites, not the developers of Safari, practice poor design.

So we are in agreement about Safari and web developers using non-standard design and technology.

oops! hehe, I get it now. I was wondering why yellow had said "Hear, hear!" his comment had confused me but it was me that was confused to being with.

:D

Thanks for clarifying for me.

[James L]

While Safari has always had excellent CSS and standards support (thanks Dave Hyatt), it did, until the latest version, have issues with some scripting situations and a few other areas. I know some people will defend it to death, but it is only a version 1 browser with some kinks to work out. It is, however, my favourite browser!

Now, with regards to your situation, here is what I did when I ran into it with a website that told me I had to use IE. I took several pages from the site, ran them through the W3 validator, and copied and pasted all the page errors into an email. I sent this email to the head of the company explaining that I was using a non IE browser, and that their site told me I couldn't use anything but IE to access it. I explained to him that the only time a site says this is when the developer does not know how to code properly, and that it was akin to telling customers we will only allow you to park in our lot if you drive a Ford.

I said that it was a shame that they spent good money to have an inferior developer design their site, and that he was losing customers because of it. If the page had no errors and was designed properly to web standards that it wouldn't matter what browser they were using, and that he wouldn't be losing customers by shutting them out simply because his web designer only knew how to code for 1 browser instead of the entire internet population.

It worked... I got a reply, and free stuff to boot!

Cheers,

James

[mfacey]

While Safari has always had excellent CSS and standards support (thanks Dave Hyatt), it did, until the latest version, have issues with some scripting situations and a few other areas. I know some people will defend it to death, but it is only a version 1 browser with some kinks to work out. It is, however, my favourite browser!

Now, with regards to your situation, here is what I did when I ran into it with a website that told me I had to use IE. I took several pages from the site, ran them through the W3 validator, and copied and pasted all the page errors into an email. I sent this email to the head of the company explaining that I was using a non IE browser, and that their site told me I couldn't use anything but IE to access it. I explained to him that the only time a site says this is when the developer does not know how to code properly, and that it was akin to telling customers we will only allow you to park in our lot if you drive a Ford.

I said that it was a shame that they spent good money to have an inferior developer design their site, and that he was losing customers because of it. If the page had no errors and was designed properly to web standards that it wouldn't matter what browser they were using, and that he wouldn't be losing customers by shutting them out simply because his web designer only knew how to code for 1 browser instead of the entire internet population.

It worked... I got a reply, and free stuff to boot!

Cheers,

James


:cool: I like that. I'm going to try that next time.

[zim]

While Safari has always had excellent CSS and standards support (thanks Dave Hyatt), it did, until the latest version, have issues with some scripting situations and a few other areas. I know some people will defend it to death, but it is only a version 1 browser with some kinks to work out. It is, however, my favourite browser!

Now, with regards to your situation, here is what I did when I ran into it with a website that told me I had to use IE. I took several pages from the site, ran them through the W3 validator, and copied and pasted all the page errors into an email. I sent this email to the head of the company explaining that I was using a non IE browser, and that their site told me I couldn't use anything but IE to access it. I explained to him that the only time a site says this is when the developer does not know how to code properly, and that it was akin to telling customers we will only allow you to park in our lot if you drive a Ford.

I said that it was a shame that they spent good money to have an inferior developer design their site, and that he was losing customers because of it. If the page had no errors and was designed properly to web standards that it wouldn't matter what browser they were using, and that he wouldn't be losing customers by shutting them out simply because his web designer only knew how to code for 1 browser instead of the entire internet population.

It worked... I got a reply, and free stuff to boot!

Cheers,

James

YES! My wife did a similar thing, Stonyfield farms was offering some promotion on their site but you had to use IE to do it.. she complained and they in return sent her a big envelope filled with coupons... sad to say they never fixed the site.

Our bank eventually opened up too, they kept trying to blame Safari but eventually, without a Safari update, it magically started working. Would have been nice if they had sent us some free money... ;)

[McMac]

I love Safari but ...

I seem to get the spining beach ball an awful lot, even on fairly simply pages. I clean out the cache now and then, but this is unacceptable to do often when you are on a slow dial-up connection (< 28k). It seemed to get a lot worse with the last Safari update.

I am even thinking of dumping Safari for another browser :(

[bankshot]

I love Safari but ...

I seem to get the spining beach ball an awful lot, even on fairly simply pages. I clean out the cache now and then, but this is unacceptable to do often when you are on a slow dial-up connection (< 28k). It seemed to get a lot worse with the last Safari update.

I am even thinking of dumping Safari for another browser :(

I've seen this recently too. What I found was that Safari sometimes uses a huge amount of virtual memory (see Activity Monitor in Applications/Utilities).

Just the other day I had about 5 windows open, and probably about 25-30 tabs among them. This isn't uncommon when I'm doing a Google search on some topic and like to go down all the good matches and open them up in tabs to read one by one. So I went to close one of these multi-tabbed windows and got the beachball for about 5 minutes before it came back to life. Looking in Activity Monitor, I found that Safari had bloated to about 1.2 GB of virtual memory (I have 640 MB of ram). This insane for a web browser that was initially touted as light and fast. So apparently it was spending 5 minutes swapping in and out huge amounts of memory from the disk, just to close the freakin window. :eek:

As an experiment, I timed how long it would take to close the other 4 or so windows. Yep, it was around 20 minutes. 20 minutes just to close windows! Insane. Quitting Safari and relaunching got it back to a more sane memory footprint, but how did it allow itself to bloat that much in the first place? Makes me wonder if all of the Safari team are using 2.5 GHz G5s with 8 GB of memory... :rolleyes: To make sure it's still lean and snappy, they sure ought to be testing on G3s.

Still, what are ya gonna do. Safari works better than the alternatives most of the time, so I put up with it like a good little boy. :p

[wrldwzrd89]

Is ActiveX what MS dubbed their version of Java?
Nope - ActiveX and Java are completely unrelated. ActiveX has no equivalent on other platforms; The MS version of Java is C# (C sharp).

[Peterkro]

Nationwide also works fine.Which suprised me somewhat as my previous experience with Smile and Windoz was a bloody nightmare.
P.S. why is it that if I transfer funds from one nationwide to another it dissapears immediately from the first account but takes two days to show up in the other?Overall nationwide must have use of £100's of millions for those 2 days.

[yellow]

Nope - ActiveX and Java are completely unrelated. ActiveX has no equivalent on other platforms; The MS version of Java is C# (C sharp).

Kay, thanks!

[Mechcozmo]

I love Safari. The tabs, popup blocking, it all comes together in a great brower. Plus, the startup time is quite a bit less than Mozilla or Firefox. And the security is better than IE. I was on a site recenlty, when the downloads window popped up with ~3 small files. They were all .exe files..suspectd viruses. I don't know, they were trashed in a second!

BTW, on my PC I use Mozilla. It does a much better job than IE. Still in another week I'll need to scan for viruses and defrag it...

Just so everyone knows, some guy worked on Mozilla 1.4 for Systems 8.6 to 9. It runs surprisingly fast on that old PowerComputer 255 Pro Tower!

[Cadence]

all banks and credit cards working for me

[pounce]

just to provide an example, usbank online doesn't work properly. i've had trouble with this site in the past under safari, and then one day it just started working. after i switched to the current os and did all the updates, it stopped working again. i can look at my checking balance, but am unable to login to internet bill pay in safari. of course it works in ie. yes, i've reported the site to apple. sucks. i don't want to switch banks on the count of this, but i do my bill pay online and would like to see safari and usbank's site working properly again.