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Cave Man
Apr 27, 2010, 10:44 AM
OK, the problem is, of course, getting the forced subtitles for Avatar on Blu-ray. Not easy to do; however, the package also came with a DVD of the movie. My understanding is that it's much easier to extract subtitles from DVD than Blu-ray? If so, it seems it would be possible to get the subs from the DVD, then import them into Handbrake and use for the forced subtitles? Anyone with experience doing this, and if so, how would it be done?

TIA!



dynaflash
Apr 27, 2010, 10:49 AM
My understanding is that it's much easier to extract subtitles from DVD than Blu-ray?
Not so sure about that. Extracting dvd subs to say an .srt requires ocr tools. it can be done but not easy. Maybe try to find the .srt file for Avatar english forced at say opensubititles.org and use hb's srt import function.

Also probably best to grab a hb nightly (todays is very stable) as the subtitle code is a bit better than 0.9.4

http://forum.handbrake.fr/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=15901

BigAudio
Apr 29, 2010, 10:40 PM
It worries me a little bit, when CaveMan, the man I always look to for answers is stumped.

Im working on the same issue now.

Cave Man
Apr 29, 2010, 10:48 PM
Yeah, I don't know anything about subtitles. :o Usually I figure things out as I need them and until now I've not needed soft subtitles from a Blu-ray disc. I suspect solutions will be forthcoming!

BigAudio
Apr 30, 2010, 12:38 AM
Im looking at the subtitles now with DVDSubEdit (on the windows side) and it looks like the Navi is actually burned into the movie.. the subtitle says (speaking Na'vi).. So.. yeah. I dont think it will work extracting them from the standard DVD

astrorider
Apr 30, 2010, 01:35 AM
OK, the problem is, of course, getting the forced subtitles for Avatar on Blu-ray. Not easy to do; however, the package also came with a DVD of the movie. My understanding is that it's much easier to extract subtitles from DVD than Blu-ray? If so, it seems it would be possible to get the subs from the DVD, then import them into Handbrake and use for the forced subtitles? Anyone with experience doing this, and if so, how would it be done?

TIA!

You could always use mkvtoolnix and add the subs from someplace like subscene.com
http://subscene.com/english/Avatar/subtitle-323959.aspx

bucksaddle
Apr 30, 2010, 02:44 AM
I used Clown BD to get the forced subtitles out of the Avatar Blu Ray - worked as it always does with forced subtitles. No hardship that this program is Windows only as I have to have the VM fired up anyway to run AnyDVD.

I think it's a great program with the packaged TSMuxer and eac3to as it does all the extraction, conversion of any DTS to AC3, and then wraps it all back up into an m2ts in one go. Chuck that into HandBrake and out pops my Apple TV compatible file. Subtitles i add in after with Subler.

ladysman
May 1, 2010, 10:27 AM
This is what I did. Ripped the blu-ray movie onto my hard drive. Then I searched and found the correct subtitles (srt file). I then used subler to put the subtitles in. I used subler because I had already encoded the movie with handbrake and didn't want to re-encode just for subtitles. It worked perfectly. I watched it last night. I really liked it. Best purchase on a blu-ray i've done in a while. :D

That help?

BigAudio
May 1, 2010, 02:39 PM
Ok. So far i got the forced subtitles out of avatar BD, using the clown BD, Now I just need to get it into a format that subler likes. Apparently it doesnt like .sup

BigAudio
May 2, 2010, 05:52 PM
Ok. I Think i have this one figured out. You can extract the forced subtitles from the avatar BR, but it doesnt really matter, because of the font. All the subtitle programs I have tried failed to OCR them. So, poking around, I found on videohelp.com User AlphaDeltaVIII uploaded a clean SRT file, with a normal font. http://forum.videohelp.com/threads/319925-Avatar-%28BD%29-Na-vi-Subtitles-Help?p=1981655&viewfull=1#post1981655

Download his SRT, and then open your m4v file in subler, and add the subtitle track. Once you save it, re-add it to your itunes. and resync the apple tv. Also, I probably had this solved 3 days ago, but didnt know it, I forgot to turn on subtitles and closed captioning on my apple tv. (under the audio/video settings) OOPS!

Hope that helps!

bucksaddle
May 3, 2010, 04:01 AM
Ok. I Think i have this one figured out. You can extract the forced subtitles from the avatar BR, but it doesnt really matter, because of the font. All the subtitle programs I have tried failed to OCR them. So, poking around, I found on videohelp.com User AlphaDeltaVIII uploaded a clean SRT file, with a normal font. http://forum.videohelp.com/threads/319925-Avatar-%28BD%29-Na-vi-Subtitles-Help?p=1981655&viewfull=1#post1981655

Yep, SubRip is the same program I use to process the extracted ClownBD forced subtitles just as AlphaDeltaVIII mentions in that thread. Due to the nature of the fonts used in those subtitles (to keep with the theme of the film no doubt) SubRip didn't OCR any of them so i manually edited. Took about 20 mins. When you save them it outputs them into a format that Subler does accept.

Could have found them with searching but in my experience by the time you have found a good one that isn't out of sync you may as well do them yourself if you have the file.
Cheers

roidy
May 3, 2010, 06:06 AM
Ok. I Think i have this one figured out. You can extract the forced subtitles from the avatar BR, but it doesnt really matter, because of the font. All the subtitle programs I have tried failed to OCR them. So, poking around, I found on videohelp.com User AlphaDeltaVIII uploaded a clean SRT file, with a normal font. http://forum.videohelp.com/threads/319925-Avatar-%28BD%29-Na-vi-Subtitles-Help?p=1981655&viewfull=1#post1981655

Download his SRT, and then open your m4v file in subler, and add the subtitle track. Once you save it, re-add it to your itunes. and resync the apple tv. Also, I probably had this solved 3 days ago, but didnt know it, I forgot to turn on subtitles and closed captioning on my apple tv. (under the audio/video settings) OOPS!

Hope that helps!

I've just tried those srt's in Handbrake and after comparing them to the Blu-ray the timing is all over the place, some are to early and some are too late or stay on too long.

I wished Handbrake could import and burn in sup's, then we'd get the correct font and placement. I even tried converting the sup's from the Blu-ray to VOB subtitles using BDSup2Sub, then remuxing them back into the mkv and seeing if Handbrake would read the VOB subtitles, no luck I'm afraid, seems HB can't read VOBsubs from a mkv.

dynaflash
May 3, 2010, 09:38 AM
no luck I'm afraid, seems HB can't read VOBsubs from a mkv.
Correct.

BigAudio
May 4, 2010, 01:40 AM
Yep, SubRip is the same program I use to process the extracted ClownBD forced subtitles just as AlphaDeltaVIII mentions in that thread. Due to the nature of the fonts used in those subtitles (to keep with the theme of the film no doubt) SubRip didn't OCR any of them so i manually edited. Took about 20 mins. When you save them it outputs them into a format that Subler does accept.

Could have found them with searching but in my experience by the time you have found a good one that isn't out of sync you may as well do them yourself if you have the file.
Cheers


The other movies I knew had subtitle issues were 2012, and angels and demons. I used subrip on both.. and the OCR is almost useless. I used it to get timing marks, and retyped all of them in jubler. Then to subler, and looking good.

roidy
May 4, 2010, 04:31 AM
It would still be nice to be able to burn-in sup subtitles, I hate the way text subtitles on ATV are displayed inside a grey box, it's kind of distracting.

Mike777
May 4, 2010, 04:37 AM
Part of the cameron sales machine.

1. release without alien speaking subtitles
2. release with alien speaking subtitles burned in but no hard of hearing subs
3. release without alien speaking subtitles but in 3D!
2. release the entire movie again but with one pixel to the left (the left pixel edition).

I'm guessing the alien speaking parts have subtitles, but you need to turn them on. Have you checked if the hard of hearing subs include the na'vi ?

roidy
May 4, 2010, 07:07 AM
Yes the alien speaking parts have subtitles and they are forced so you don't need to turn them on. This thread is about how to get those sub's from the Blu-ray version because it's a lot harder than getting them from a DVD version.

tbayrgs
May 4, 2010, 08:31 AM
It would still be nice to be able to burn-in sup subtitles, I hate the way text subtitles on ATV are displayed inside a grey box, it's kind of distracting.

My sentiments exactly. And especially for films with a significant amount of subtitles, it almost negates the benefit of watching an HD source--almost rather watch SD so I don't have to deal with the distracting subs (but that's just me of course).

tazhombre
May 4, 2010, 10:00 AM
Anyone ever use Submerge? http://www.bitfield.se/submerge/

Supposedly allows you to hardcode subs into a movie, thus giving you the correct font or any font/color you want without the annoying AppleTV sub box, etc. Thinking of doing it but was interested in hearing if anyone had any experience with it.

roidy
May 4, 2010, 11:55 AM
Well it's no good to me as I'm a Windows user, I know I know:eek:

But by the looks of it, it works by re-encoding your movie with hard subs which is bad because your file has now been encoded twice which is gonna cost you both time and quality. Idealy the subs need to be burned in during your initial encode of the file to avoid any loss of quality.

randy98mtu
Jul 14, 2010, 08:27 PM
Not sure if you guys cracked this nut. I found the solution here (http://forum.handbrake.fr/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=16784) using Windows tools. You break the BD down using ClownBD, fix the subs using BDsup2sub, then remux using MKVMerge. I did it tonight and it works great. The subs are in my 1080p MKV and anything I make from it.

Now my additional complication I'm hoping for help with. I don't have any BD except my PS3. So I use the PS3 to make an ISO of the disc. Decrypt that using AnyDVD HD and Virtual Clone Drive. Now MakeMKV will see it and work as usual. The problem with the additional step to get forced subs is that I lose chapter markers when I load the MKV into ClownBD (as opposed to an actual disc) Anyone know another tool to get chapter markers back, or do I just have to give up my chapter markers in favor of the subtitles. Chapter markers aren't a big deal to me, just wondering if I'm missing something obvious. There is no ISO option in ClownBD. I tried running Virtual Clone Drive to mount the ISO, but it doesn't show up as an actual disc in Windows, so I still can't open it with ClownBD.

Thanks and I hope that thread helps someone else get their subs.

roidy
Jul 15, 2010, 04:42 AM
Yep, thats the exact method I ended up using and it works great. It would still be better if Handbrake could read sup's from an mkv.

As to your problem, mount the ISO then in ClownBD select the option for BD/HD-DVD and point it to the \STREAM folder of the mounted ISO, I'm not sure why your converting the ISO to a mkv first as utlimatly it's going to end up as an mkv when you remux it at the end so why do it twice.

randy98mtu
Jul 15, 2010, 06:13 AM
Yep, thats the exact method I ended up using and it works great. It would still be better if Handbrake could read sup's from an mkv.

As to your problem, mount the ISO then in ClownBD select the option for BD/HD-DVD and point it to the \STREAM folder of the mounted ISO, I'm not sure why your converting the ISO to a mkv first as utlimatly it's going to end up as an mkv when you remux it at the end so why do it twice.

I haven't found a solution in OS X to mount the ISO and decrypt it. So I am running Windows in Fusion. I mount the drive with Virtual Clone, but then the only program that sees it is MakeMKV, which is why I make the MKV first. I know it's redundant, but I tried everything I knew with ClownBD and it couldn't see the ISO or the "Virtual" drive. I even just opened explorer and clicked on the E drive, which was supposed to be my "virtual" drive, and it gave me an error message. Right after the error message, I run MakeMKV and it sees the "disc." I don't know how/why MakeMKV sees the virtual disc, but it does. And I don't even select anything. I mount the disc, AnyDVD does it's thing, I open MakeMKV and it automatically starts reading the virtual disc. I should just quit being cheap and go buy a suitable BD to use with OSX...

roidy
Jul 15, 2010, 07:10 AM
I mount the disc, AnyDVD does it's thing,

Maybe I'm not understanding correctly but if AnyDVD can and see and read the mounted disk then why not use AnyDVD to rip the entire folder structure like the tutorial says to?

Failing that, if you've got the disk ripped as an mkv then you no longer need ClownBD. You can use MKVToolnix to extract the streams then convert the audio manually using eac3to and the subs using BDSup2Sub and then remux it all using MKVMerge.

Also are you sure it's ClownBD thats screwing up the chapters and not MakeMKV?

I suppose the easiest thing would be to forget about the chapters during the conversion/encoding process and then add them back latter using a tagging program like the Windows version of MetaX.

randy98mtu
Jul 15, 2010, 07:31 AM
Hah! What a facepalm... I was so focused on how I was doing it I missed that I am using AnyDVD, but not as the guide says. I was using it in the background to decrypt the disc. I'll try tonight just ripping the iso using AnyDVD and see if that works.

Thanks! That's why I posted this in the first place.

Cave Man
Jul 15, 2010, 09:39 AM
In my experience, AnyDVD HD is what causes the chapter loss. Make MKV preserves those chapters.

roidy
Jul 15, 2010, 10:53 AM
In my experience, AnyDVD HD is what causes the chapter loss. Make MKV preserves those chapters.

No, because all AnyDVD does is decrypt the disk, it dosn't change or remove any of the streams from the disk. I know because I followed the posted tutorial and after decrypting the disk with AnyDVD ClownBD was able to extract all the streams from the Decrypted files including the chapters.

Cave Man
Jul 15, 2010, 11:00 AM
Hmm. Whenever I use AnyDVD HD to rip a Blu-ray disc, then pass that to Handbrake, none of my m4v files have chapter markers. What am I doing wrong?

roidy
Jul 15, 2010, 11:09 AM
I assume that your opening a m2ts right from the decrypted BD in Handbrake, which I've never done, I always use MakeMKV or ClownBD + MKVMerge to generate an mkv file. Maybe Handbrake can't read the chapter info from a m2ts. All I know is that after decrypting a BD with AnyDVD ClownBD can still read the chapter info from the resulting folder structure.

roidy
Jul 15, 2010, 11:16 AM
It seems that the m2ts files on a BD don't contain the chapter info, it's contained in the playlist file which as far as I know Handbrake dosn't read, which is probably why your not getting chapters.

bucksaddle
Jul 15, 2010, 12:53 PM
Exactly - m2ts file is the movie only. Use ClownBD to extract both the m2ts and the chapter files, pass the m2ts thru HandBrake to get your m4v and then use Subler to add the chapter file to the m4v.

dianepastan
Aug 30, 2010, 06:09 PM
Well, I think maybe this article is useful to you:
http://www.pavtube.com/guide/rip-avatar-blu-ray-extract-forced-subtitles.html

chrono1081
Oct 1, 2010, 02:08 AM
I recommend a program called Aunsoft Blu-ray Ripper which deals with Bu-ray with forced subtitles quite well.
http://www.aunsoft.com/blu-ray-ripper/

I just discovered this today. I'm ripping now.

dvdflashbacks
Oct 11, 2010, 09:21 AM
I just discovered this today. I'm ripping now.

Did this software work out for you? Were you able to then use HB successfully? How was the quality?

I have always just used Makemkv and then HB. Subs have always been a problem so I have several movies like Avatar that I am not able to put on my aTV unfortunately.

pedz
Oct 12, 2010, 01:38 PM
I tried aunsofts ripper after reading this, found the quality wasn't as good as handbrake. Though I probably didn't explore all the options, but I am pretty sure it is not going to match it.

For movies like Avatar I do the following and it works well (takes a while, but very little of my actual time).
Rip with AnyDVD HD,
Use Clown BD to extract video, audio, and subs (converting audio to AC3).
Convert subs using BDSup2Sub.
Mux everything together with MKVMerge.
Convert to ATV using Handbrake.

Details are here: http://forum.handbrake.fr/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=16784
Seems like a lot but is pretty easy after you have done a couple. Would like to streamline for movies that don't have forced subs though. When you use MakeMKV and Handbrake do you get dolby surround sound on the new atv? Any special settings you have to set?

Thanks,
peter

GermanSuplex
Oct 15, 2010, 12:23 PM
Do the resulting files have subtitles that look like bitmap images, just like in the actual film, or are they plain-text subtitles?

roidy
Oct 15, 2010, 12:36 PM
Do the resulting files have subtitles that look like bitmap images, just like in the actual film, or are they plain-text subtitles?

Using the Handbrake forum tutoral, yes, the subs look exactly the same as the Blu-ray, bitmap images.

Using the posted Blu-ray ripping software, no idea, never tried it.

GermanSuplex
Oct 15, 2010, 12:46 PM
Using the Handbrake forum tutoral, yes, the subs look exactly the same as the Blu-ray, bitmap images.

Using the posted Blu-ray ripping software, no idea, never tried it.

Thanks, will give it a go.

pedz
Oct 15, 2010, 04:17 PM
yes, confirming what roidy said, the forced subtitles look like the original film.

TxP
Jan 15, 2011, 12:05 AM
Digging up a bit of an old thread here, but I just wanted to throw out some info on how I accomplished this for Avatar using Mac-only tools. The above posts all seem to imply Windows i.e. for Clown_BD, etc. and after much searching I could not find any posts that describe how to do this using strictly Mac tools. Apologies if this is duplicate info.


Requirements:
MakeMKV (makemkv.com)
Mkvtoolnix (http://jonthn.free.fr/MKVtoolnix/)
BDSup2Sub (http://www.videohelp.com/tools/BDSup2Sub - this page says it is for Windows but it is a Java file, runs fine on OS X)
Handbrake (hope you know where to get this by now)

The basics are the same as the steps mentioned in http://forum.handbrake.fr/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=16784 and that one can be referred to for specific screenshots of some of these steps. These are also pretty much the same as the steps pedz posted, except substituting different tools in place of AnyDVD & Clown BD.



Ripped from BD using MakeMKV - for Avatar I selected the appopriate video & audio tracks plus the English AND English (Forced only) subtitle tracks to be on the safe side
Extracted the SUP subtitle files using mkvextract from Mkvtoolnix:
/Applications/Mkvtoolnix.app/Contents/MacOS/mkvextract tracks /path/to/Avatar.mkv 3:trk3.sup 4:trk4.sup
You can find out which track(s) contain the subtitles by running:
/Applications/Mkvtoolnix.app/Contents/MacOS/mkvinfo /path/to/Avatar.mkv and looking for "Track type: subtitles" in the output
Convert SUP to IDX using BDSup2Sub as described in the above thread. In my case trk3.sup was the only one that BDSup2Sub would accept. Maybe I didn't need track 4 after all?
Load the MKV into Mkvtoolnix and remux Video, Audio and IDX into a new MKV (deselecting the original PGS subtitles)
Handbrake 0.9.5 encode the new MKV with VOBSUB subtitles set to Forced & Burned-in


As noted, the subtitles look exactly the same as the Blu-ray - bitmap images. This is a far superior solution to my previous encode using an SRT subtitle file.

Hope this helps some of the Mac users out there.


( … and edit to say I tested the final file in Quicktime but have not tried on my ATV1 yet, hopefully everything works fine there too)
( … and edit again to say it works great on my 1st gen AppleTV :))

chrono1081
Jan 15, 2011, 03:55 AM
Did this software work out for you? Were you able to then use HB successfully? How was the quality?

I have always just used Makemkv and then HB. Subs have always been a problem so I have several movies like Avatar that I am not able to put on my aTV unfortunately.

Oops! Sorry for the late response :o

The quality is excellent. There are a ton of settings to choose but it does a great job.

newagemac
Jan 15, 2011, 08:35 AM
If you want to use a GUI for the extracting step, MKVTools is perfect. You'll still need MKVToolNix for muxing/merging everything back together.

dvdflashbacks
Feb 6, 2011, 07:04 PM
Hey TxP,

Can you (or anyone else) share your settings for this process.

I am trying (unsuccessfully) to encode the Extended edition (longest version on the BR set that is 2:58:10).

Here is what I have tried:

1. Used mkvtools 2.4.4 to extract subtitles.
2. Used BDSup2Sub to create .idx file (I took the default settings)
3. Opned mkvmerge to create new .mkv file (used my original .mkv file from MakeMkv rip and added the .idx file.) I deselected the subtitles from the original .mkv and selected the VobSub.
4. Set Language to 'Eng', Default Flag to 'Yes' and Forced to 'Yes'
5. I have tested HB specifying the VobSup track and tried burned in w/forced and also default.

So far no luck.

Any ideas?

Thanks.

dvdflashbacks
Feb 8, 2011, 04:34 AM
Fixed! So after much trial and error I found the problem. In this instance what worked for me is to not select 'Forced' in HB but do use 'Burned In'

I also just tried this method with District 9 and Apocalypto and both worked flawlessly! Awesome! Big thanks to TxP and everyone else who have provided input on this.

MacUser09
Nov 10, 2011, 01:56 PM
So I have finally managed to get an .mkv file with just the subtitles for the Na' vi speech showing when I play it through VLC.
i.e. after extracting with MKVTools, converting with Sup2Sub, and muxing with MKVToolnix

However, after running through Handbrake, trying with both Subtitles>Forced and Subtitles> Burned in, I can see no subtitles in resulting.m4v file.

Any ideas or suggestions on what I might be doing wrong?

Aidoneus
Nov 10, 2011, 04:41 PM
In the Subtitles tab of Handbrake, select the VOBSUB option. Uncheck the "Forced" box, and check "Burned In". This should do the trick.

omni
Nov 10, 2011, 10:34 PM
To add I suggest just doing encoding the chapter(s) with navi while testing stuff instead of encoding the whole movie and finding you did something wrong.

I think the 2nd chapter has some (double check) - should the one with Sigourney Weaver talking with that dude from Bones.

MAGNUStm
Nov 11, 2011, 01:36 AM
Sorry to beat the dead horse with a stick but can someone maybe make a tutorial video using the tools/steps outlined above. I'm still very new to this and would find this extremely helpful.


Thanks.

RocketSledder77
Dec 21, 2011, 10:12 AM
So I have finally managed to get an .mkv file with just the subtitles for the Na' vi speech showing when I play it through VLC.

Where did you find this file, I have been trying to find a Navi only subs file in English for the Extended Collector's Edition for days and I cannot find one?

rayward
Dec 27, 2011, 09:33 AM
Digging up a bit of an old thread here, but I just wanted to throw out some info on how I accomplished this for Avatar using Mac-only tools. The above posts all seem to imply Windows i.e. for Clown_BD, etc. and after much searching I could not find any posts that describe how to do this using strictly Mac tools. Apologies if this is duplicate info.


Requirements:
MakeMKV (makemkv.com)
Mkvtoolnix (http://jonthn.free.fr/MKVtoolnix/)
BDSup2Sub (http://www.videohelp.com/tools/BDSup2Sub - this page says it is for Windows but it is a Java file, runs fine on OS X)
Handbrake (hope you know where to get this by now)

The basics are the same as the steps mentioned in http://forum.handbrake.fr/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=16784 and that one can be referred to for specific screenshots of some of these steps. These are also pretty much the same as the steps pedz posted, except substituting different tools in place of AnyDVD & Clown BD.



Ripped from BD using MakeMKV - for Avatar I selected the appopriate video & audio tracks plus the English AND English (Forced only) subtitle tracks to be on the safe side
Extracted the SUP subtitle files using mkvextract from Mkvtoolnix:
/Applications/Mkvtoolnix.app/Contents/MacOS/mkvextract tracks /path/to/Avatar.mkv 3:trk3.sup 4:trk4.sup
You can find out which track(s) contain the subtitles by running:
/Applications/Mkvtoolnix.app/Contents/MacOS/mkvinfo /path/to/Avatar.mkv and looking for "Track type: subtitles" in the output
Convert SUP to IDX using BDSup2Sub as described in the above thread. In my case trk3.sup was the only one that BDSup2Sub would accept. Maybe I didn't need track 4 after all?
Load the MKV into Mkvtoolnix and remux Video, Audio and IDX into a new MKV (deselecting the original PGS subtitles)
Handbrake 0.9.5 encode the new MKV with VOBSUB subtitles set to Forced & Burned-in


As noted, the subtitles look exactly the same as the Blu-ray - bitmap images. This is a far superior solution to my previous encode using an SRT subtitle file.

Hope this helps some of the Mac users out there.


( … and edit to say I tested the final file in Quicktime but have not tried on my ATV1 yet, hopefully everything works fine there too)
( … and edit again to say it works great on my 1st gen AppleTV :))

In the past I have been using the SRT solution for subtitles, editing them to eliminate all but the foreign/alien dialogue and then turning on captions when watching. I have an issue with the last subtitle remaining on screen (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1142627) which I have not been able to fix on any movie so I decided to use this more sophisticated procedure. The problem with this procedure is that I am falling at the first hurdle.

I have installed MKVToolNix, but cannot extract the track number for the subs. When I try the "MKVInfo" command, I get the message "No such file or directory". I use the path and filename taken from the "Get Info" dialog box, so I know these are correct. I know the file is a good file because I have previously encoded it with HandBrake and the subtitle track shows up when I open it in MKVMerge.

Any help would be appreciated.

IscariotJ
Jan 12, 2012, 02:41 PM
So I have finally managed to get an .mkv file with just the subtitles for the Na' vi speech showing when I play it through VLC.
i.e. after extracting with MKVTools, converting with Sup2Sub, and muxing with MKVToolnix

However, after running through Handbrake, trying with both Subtitles>Forced and Subtitles> Burned in, I can see no subtitles in resulting.m4v file.

Any ideas or suggestions on what I might be doing wrong?

Don't suppose you can remember what track it was? I've ripped AvatarCE with AnyDVD, and then run it through it ClownBD and extracted both english subtitles. I've converted what I think is the right track with BDSup2Sub, but when I remix it all together, I get errors about the subtitle file being out of order, and then the resulting mkv file doesn't display anything....

rayward
Jan 13, 2012, 10:57 AM
Don't suppose you can remember what track it was? I've ripped AvatarCE with AnyDVD, and then run it through it ClownBD and extracted both english subtitles. I've converted what I think is the right track with BDSup2Sub, but when I remix it all together, I get errors about the subtitle file being out of order, and then the resulting mkv file doesn't display anything....

I would suggest ripping all the English subtitle tracks, extract each one and then, using BSup2Sub, have a look at the dialog itself. One track should be the forced Na'vi language track, and you'll know this because the first subtitle text won't be the first dialog line in the movie.

IscariotJ
Jan 13, 2012, 11:43 AM
I would suggest ripping all the English subtitle tracks, extract each one and then, using BSup2Sub, have a look at the dialog itself. One track should be the forced Na'vi language track, and you'll know this because the first subtitle text won't be the first dialog line in the movie.

Just tried that, and think I think I've got the right one. Still receiving the out of order error; the other subtitle track generates a ton of warnings....

If only Handbrake natively supported BD subtitles.....

rayward
Jan 13, 2012, 11:57 AM
if only handbrake natively supported bd subtitles.....

this.

IscariotJ
Mar 24, 2012, 01:22 PM
Just tried that, and think I think I've got the right one. Still receiving the out of order error; the other subtitle track generates a ton of warnings....

If only Handbrake natively supported BD subtitles.....

Apols for updating an old thread, but I thought it might be worth noting my fix; my out of order error was due to an issue with ClownBD. Apparently, there are a number of BD's where it has problems with the timing of the subs. I ended up using tsmuxer to extract the subtitles, and then using BSup2Sub / makemkv....

Richdmoore
Apr 22, 2012, 07:14 PM
If only Handbrake natively supported BD subtitles.....

I've been wrestling for the past two days on converting MKV I have made from HDDVD discs into an HD format for Apple tv 3/iPad (3rd Gen.)

I would happily spend the money to buy a bluray drive, obtain bluray copies, and rerip if they would simply make it easy to add burned in bluray subtitles.

Basically I have given up trying to get the HDDVD MKV's demuxed, subtitles converted from HDDVD to Bluray spec, and then remuxed so I can use Handbrake to hard sub into an apple compatible movie.

I'm going through and converting those movies that don't need subtitles, and I will just wait on the rest for an easier solution.

Edit:

I just found out that this is being actively worked on, at least for bluray subtitles. Hopefully it won't take more than a few weeks to get it into a nightly build.

https://forum.handbrake.fr/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=23913

mic j
Apr 23, 2012, 08:55 AM
I've been wrestling for the past two days on converting MKV I have made from HDDVD discs into an HD format for Apple tv 3/iPad (3rd Gen.)

I would happily spend the money to buy a bluray drive, obtain bluray copies, and rerip if they would simply make it easy to add burned in bluray subtitles.

Basically I have given up trying to get the HDDVD MKV's demuxed, subtitles converted from HDDVD to Bluray spec, and then remuxed so I can use Handbrake to hard sub into an apple compatible movie.

I'm going through and converting those movies that don't need subtitles, and I will just wait on the rest for an easier solution.

Edit:

I just found out that this is being actively worked on, at least for bluray subtitles. Hopefully it won't take more than a few weeks to get it into a nightly build.

https://forum.handbrake.fr/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=23913

Please let us know when this happens. From my point of view, the lack of support for PGS subs is about the only thing I don't like about HB.

Richdmoore
Apr 26, 2012, 11:35 PM
Please let us know when this happens. From my point of view, the lack of support for PGS subs is about the only thing I don't like about HB.

I have been following the developer thread (at least what I can with all the tech talk, I'm not a programmer) and they just released the first nightly build with bluray subtitle support.


Revision: 4605
Changes
PGS (bluray) subtitle support \o/

Thanks to patches supplied by David Mitchell and Rob McMullen
we finally have PGS support.

I added a fix for libav pgs timestamp processing and
detection of forced subtitles to their work, then
made foreign audio search work with PGS subs. (detail/Trac)
LinGui: allow the user to select and use a bitrate for audio autopassthru
If the fallback encoder is used, the user should be able to set the
bitrate that is used. (detail/Trac)
LinGui:
Remove Lucid builds.* Add Pangolin. (detail/Trac)

mic j
Apr 27, 2012, 08:47 AM
I have been following the developer thread (at least what I can with all the tech talk, I'm not a programmer) and they just released the first nightly build with bluray subtitle support.


Revision: 4605
Changes
PGS (bluray) subtitle support \o/

Thanks to patches supplied by David Mitchell and Rob McMullen
we finally have PGS support.

I added a fix for libav pgs timestamp processing and
detection of forced subtitles to their work, then
made foreign audio search work with PGS subs. (detail/Trac)
LinGui: allow the user to select and use a bitrate for audio autopassthru
If the fallback encoder is used, the user should be able to set the
bitrate that is used. (detail/Trac)
LinGui:
Remove Lucid builds.* Add Pangolin. (detail/Trac)
Thanks. I have immediately downloaded it and will be trying it today with the LOTR extended BRs.

rayward
Apr 27, 2012, 11:27 AM
I have been following the developer thread (at least what I can with all the tech talk, I'm not a programmer) and they just released the first nightly build with bluray subtitle support.

This is awesome news.