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Caleb B
May 2, 2010, 02:06 PM
I got my iPad not too long ago and I have fallen in love with it. I also have a Unibody MacBook. While this is a thin and lightweight laptop, it feels like a bunch of bricks compared to my iPad. I have begun wanting a MacBook Air really bad because of how lightweight and portable it is. What do you guys think about this? Do you find yourself feeling the same way when you pick up your MacBooks or MacBook Pros? (Also, I have an iMac so the MacBook Air would in no way be my primary machine.)



zedsdead
May 2, 2010, 02:11 PM
I agree with you, but I would wait until it receives an update.

Caleb B
May 2, 2010, 02:18 PM
I agree with you, but I would wait until it receives an update.

Oh yeah, most definitely. I'm hoping for 4GB RAM standard and an SSD across all models.

jaykk
May 2, 2010, 02:26 PM
I switched from mbp to MBA rev a, I stopped using mbp altogether (it's a first gen intel). Now with iPad and MBA , computing has become so light weight. I use MBA mainly to sync, xcode etc. For everything else iPad.

Caleb B
May 2, 2010, 02:35 PM
I switched from mbp to MBA rev a, I stopped using mbp altogether (it's a first gen intel). Now with iPad and MBA , computing has become so light weight. I use MBA mainly to sync, xcode etc. For everything else iPad.

Thats really awesome. I can't wait to get mine!

Cheffy Dave
May 2, 2010, 02:48 PM
I got my iPad not too long ago and I have fallen in love with it. I also have a Unibody MacBook. While this is a thin and lightweight laptop, it feels like a bunch of bricks compared to my iPad. I have begun wanting a MacBook Air really bad because of how lightweight and portable it is. What do you guys think about this? Do you find yourself feeling the same way when you pick up your MacBooks or MacBook Pros? (Also, I have an iMac so the MacBook Air would in no way be my primary machine.)
Boy I should have started this thread yesterday. I have found the same thing is true. Slinging my BMB to the table next to me, with my Arithritis, frankly hurts. no such issues with my iPad.
My Daughter and I were at the Apple store in the International Mall in Tampa, yesterday. she wanted to look at the new iMac. We went up to the gorgeous 27" screen, and She touched the screen to do something, "no touch screen Dad?". There in lies a problem. we both have fallen in love with the iPad, she walked up to the register, and bought the very last iPad3G. we are BOTH, hung up on touch screen.
That said, my NEXT Apple lappie WILL HAVE a touchscreen, so let me put that on the TOP of my list for the next MBA, and yeah, it's a must have!:cool:

Caleb B
May 2, 2010, 03:04 PM
Boy I should have started this thread yesterday. I have found the same thing is true. Slinging my BMB to the table next to me, with my Arithritis, frankly hurts. no such issues with my iPad.
My Daughter and I were at the Apple store in the International Mall in Tampa, yesterday. she wanted to look at the new iMac. We went up to the gorgeous 27" screen, and She touched the screen to do something, "no touch screen Dad?". There in lies a problem. we both have fallen in love with the iPad, she walked up to the register, and bought the very last iPad3G. we are BOTH, hung up on touch screen.
That said, my NEXT Apple lappie WILL HAVE a touchscreen, so let me put that on the TOP of my list for the next MBA, and yeah, it's a must have!:cool:

A touchscreen on the next MacBook Air would be incredible!

flynz4
May 2, 2010, 03:18 PM
I got my iPad not too long ago and I have fallen in love with it. I also have a Unibody MacBook. While this is a thin and lightweight laptop, it feels like a bunch of bricks compared to my iPad. I have begun wanting a MacBook Air really bad because of how lightweight and portable it is. What do you guys think about this? Do you find yourself feeling the same way when you pick up your MacBooks or MacBook Pros? (Also, I have an iMac so the MacBook Air would in no way be my primary machine.)
I agree that the iPad makes the desire for a MBA greater for me. It intensifies the value of being thin and light from a usage perspective.

I have:

27" i7 iMac (shared with my wife)
15" MBP for just work (provided my employer)
13" MBA rev C w/SSD
64GB iPad 3G
32GB 3Gs iPhone

Of those, the 15" is my least favorite machine (by far). Since I got the iPad, the 15" MBP seems unbearable to use. I feel like I have been thrown back into the 90s.

For me, the iPad has not replaced the need for a good laptop at all. I use the iPad primarily for media consumption. It is a spectacular machine to use during my frequent flights (I have made 8 already using my wife's WiFi iPad until mine arrived). It also found it to be a satisfactory machine to use for note-taking during a technical conference that I attended recently. It was not as easy to use as my MBA for taking notes, but it was superb for portability between sessions and walking through the exhibit hall.

I am really looking forward to the next release of the MBA. My wife really wants to take possession of my current MBA, and I am not willing to buy a new one until it is available with 4GB of memory... even if that is the only upgrade. At this point, as a current owner of a MBA, and an iPad... I am simply not willing to buy any laptop larger than an MBA going forward. My use of the iPad sealed any doubt in my mind that I value thin and light over any other attribute of a laptop.

P.S. Having the 27" iMac really helps with this decision. I use that almost exclusively for any "big" projects that I have including video transcoding, Aperture, etc. I think owning the iMac enables me to focus on the value of thin and light portable machines.

/Jim

Caleb B
May 2, 2010, 03:46 PM
P.S. Having the 27" iMac really helps with this decision. I use that almost exclusively for any "big" projects that I have including video transcoding, Aperture, etc. I think owning the iMac enables me to focus on the value of thin and light portable machines.

/Jim

You hot the nail on the head with that last point. I have the upper model 21.5" iMac and that allows me to do all my heavy work there while allowing me to do lighter work on the go. And like you said, the weight and portability of a laptop is the singlemost important factor when you have a powerful desktop.

I have the iMac, the Unibody MacBook, an iPad, and an iPhone. A MBA would beautifully replace the MacBook.

u49aa2
May 2, 2010, 04:03 PM
Strongly agree with Caleb B and flynz4 (though for me, it is a high end 1st gen 17" MBP with apple HD 23" rather than an iMac is my main heavy work station).

Dagless
May 2, 2010, 05:18 PM
A touchscreen on the next MacBook Air would be incredible!

No it wouldn't! It'd just tip up whenever you tried using it.

I couldn't go backwards from a MBP though. I need a lot of the features it has that the MBA or iPad don't.

jaykk
May 2, 2010, 06:36 PM
A touchscreen on the next MacBook Air would be incredible!

I agree.
ARM based iPad absolutely blows any other mobile devices in Speed ( with just 256 MB ram, 1ghz(?) processor) , battery life, cool to touch even after watching several hours of video and ease of use. If A4 goes dual core with 1 ghz memory, it will blow away anything else out there..

What is MBA is the first hybrid laptop with hybrid Mac OS X on ARM processor, where users can install their own apps (of course, it has to be re-compiled for ARM process). Just a wishful thinking, I know.
Apple has done, time and again, switching processors- so Mac OS X (with iPhone OS X) on ARM is not out of question, i guess.

PsyD4Me
May 2, 2010, 07:36 PM
Touchscreen MBA is a terrible idea

gwsat
May 2, 2010, 07:46 PM
I agree with a couple of competing ideas that have been expressed in this thread. First, as the OP said, my own iPad has made me yearn even more for an updated MBA. But I also agree with the competing proposition that I wouldn't go backward from my MBP. That may put me between a rock and a hard place because my MBP has 6Gb of RAM and needs every byte of it to run Fusion and Windows 7 in Unity mode. I keep hoping that the next MBA will have more than 4Gb of RAM but I'm not holding my breath. Oh, well, I still have an iPad and it really is pretty sweet.

Caleb B
May 2, 2010, 08:03 PM
I agree.
ARM based iPad absolutely blows any other mobile devices in Speed ( with just 256 MB ram, 1ghz(?) processor) , battery life, cool to touch even after watching several hours of video and ease of use. If A4 goes dual core with 1 ghz memory, it will blow away anything else out there..

What is MBA is the first hybrid laptop with hybrid Mac OS X on ARM processor, where users can install their own apps (of course, it has to be re-compiled for ARM process). Just a wishful thinking, I know.
Apple has done, time and again, switching processors- so Mac OS X (with iPhone OS X) on ARM is not out of question, i guess.

I'm kinda liking this whole hybrid MBA idea. Standard Mac OSX, but with the iPhone/iPad OS running atop it as a skin used mainly for entertainment (touch-based of course). Although I couldn't really see Apple making this move, it's interesting to think of all the possibilities.

Dagless
May 3, 2010, 04:35 AM
Okay anyone with a laptop claiming that touchscreen is a good idea;

Go to your laptop.
(if you don't like fingerprints use a glove)
Touch the display.
See how under iPod/iPad style usage it is susceptible to tipping? The lighter the base is the more tipping it would do.

Given there is a keyboard and whole computer lying below the display, where would that go if you wanted to use it as an iPad style device?
Has anyone tried using a desktop or laptop computer with a touchscreen? I have. You need to constantly keep your arm raised to operate it, it's not even a fun novelty... just a pain (unlike the iPod)!

This thread reminds me of;
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Veinticinco
May 3, 2010, 05:51 AM
Okay anyone with a laptop claiming that touchscreen is a good idea;

Go to your laptop.
(if you don't like fingerprints use a glove)
Touch the display.
See how under iPod/iPad style usage it is susceptible to tipping? The lighter the base is the more tipping it would do.

Given there is a keyboard and whole computer lying below the display, where would that go if you wanted to use it as an iPad style device?
Has anyone tried using a desktop or laptop computer with a touchscreen? I have. You need to constantly keep your arm raised to operate it, it's not even a fun novelty... just a pain (unlike the iPod)!


Some limited thinking here. In its current form factor, yes an MBA with a touchscreen wouldn't work.

Personally though I have a vision of an MBA type unit with a foldover display (hinge goes 360 degrees instead of the current 120) enabling dual use as traditional laptop and touchscreen tablet (think larger iPad but running OS X). Best of both worlds.

Would need another fantastic collaboration between the design and engineering, but it is feasible.

Dagless
May 3, 2010, 09:03 AM
Some limited thinking here. In its current form factor, yes an MBA with a touchscreen wouldn't work.

Personally though I have a vision of an MBA type unit with a foldover display (hinge goes 360 degrees instead of the current 120) enabling dual use as traditional laptop and touchscreen tablet (think larger iPad but running OS X). Best of both worlds.

Would need another fantastic collaboration between the design and engineering, but it is feasible.

They've been done before. One of the admins of a game dev I used to visit in 2005 had one, I'm sure they've come a long way though. They weren't that great.

I used to work for a company that manufactured and modified computers to support touchscreens. For computer use they're not as good as what we already have with high DPI mice and almost zero latency keyboards. For iPods/iPads it does work.
Great for EPOS and installation systems though, just don't try doing work on them!

chrono1081
May 3, 2010, 11:17 AM
They've been done before. One of the admins of a game dev I used to visit in 2005 had one, I'm sure they've come a long way though. They weren't that great.

I used to work for a company that manufactured and modified computers to support touchscreens. For computer use they're not as good as what we already have with high DPI mice and almost zero latency keyboards. For iPods/iPads it does work.
Great for EPOS and installation systems though, just don't try doing work on them!

+1 Touchscreen laptops with foldover screens always failed because it was a desktop OS modified to work with a touch interface. (Use windows with a wacom, its not fun...)

There is also the touchscreen desktops you see in stores that noone buys. Nobody wants to sit there and finger up their monitor for some crappy gimmick, which right now thats all it is unless its a touch OS like iPhone OS.

I really think touch interfaces and regular computers should be seperate items.

PsyD4Me
May 3, 2010, 11:53 AM
I'm actually running a little experiment here. I will be using the iPad heavily trying to replace the majority of MBAs duties.....so far the only thing I'm surprised about the the typing accuracy and speed in landscape mode

gwsat
May 3, 2010, 12:09 PM
There is also the touchscreen desktops you see in stores that noone buys. Nobody wants to sit there and finger up their monitor for some crappy gimmick, which right now thats all it is unless its a touch OS like iPhone OS.

I really think touch interfaces and regular computers should be seperate items.
The experience I have had with an iPad over the past few weeks has taught me that the number one Dirty Little Secret of touch screens is that they become filthy with smudges almost immediately. It is such a problem that I keep a spray bottle of LCD screen cleaning solution and a microfiber cloth near at hand. That said, the touch screen makes good sense in a device as small and light weight as the iPad, although I agree that a touch screen is probably a bad idea for a more conventional computer.

Zulu1
May 3, 2010, 02:12 PM
+1 Touchscreen laptops with foldover screens always failed because it was a desktop OS modified to work with a touch interface. (Use windows with a wacom, its not fun...)

There is also the touchscreen desktops you see in stores that noone buys. Nobody wants to sit there and finger up their monitor for some crappy gimmick, which right now thats all it is unless its a touch OS like iPhone OS.

I really think touch interfaces and regular computers should be seperate items.

Ah I think the Air with a flip over screen is a great idea. I use a ASUS tablet and windows 7 and I will say it works awesome (thanks to 7). I can write (ink or type), type, and draw...anywhere. The iPad is just not business enough for me, but I'm waiting on the Air as a still have a G4 Powerbook (so everyone with first gen Intel stop whining), and the wait is killing me.

Thinking of the 1 million iPads I though take one iPad screen slap it on the :outside: of the Air screen, and you've got best or both worlds....just thinking outside the box :D

Mhkobe
May 3, 2010, 08:41 PM
Boy I should have started this thread yesterday. I have found the same thing is true. Slinging my BMB to the table next to me, with my Arithritis, frankly hurts. no such issues with my iPad.
My Daughter and I were at the Apple store in the International Mall in Tampa, yesterday. she wanted to look at the new iMac. We went up to the gorgeous 27" screen, and She touched the screen to do something, "no touch screen Dad?". There in lies a problem. we both have fallen in love with the iPad, she walked up to the register, and bought the very last iPad3G. we are BOTH, hung up on touch screen.
That said, my NEXT Apple lappie WILL HAVE a touchscreen, so let me put that on the TOP of my list for the next MBA, and yeah, it's a must have!:cool:
please nooo, I would hate a touchscreen laptop... or desktop.

The idea works perfectly with the ipad an iphone, and ipod touch, but not desktops, and notebooks.

Caleb B
May 3, 2010, 10:24 PM
What if the MBA had a touchscreen but also gave you the option to use the trackpad and tactile keyboard? That way, people who like the idea of a touchscreen MBA would be happy, but those who dislike the idea would still be able to use the conventional controls (trackpad/keyboard).

Scottsdale
May 3, 2010, 11:24 PM
I think we will get an MBA with a touch LCD trackpad. I believe the functionality will be similar to the iPhone OS products. Imagine a trackpad that shows the whole screen on it and allows instant touch which would be better than a mouse. Once inside of an app, one would use multitouch just as on an iPhone OS product. I really believe this is where Apple is headed with the Macs. Maybe it would try it on the MBA first?

It is good news that iPads are driving demand for an MBA. I believe Apple will drive further demand for Macs by allowing iPad/iPhone OS product users the ease of migration by somehow integrating iPhone OS to run in a shell or some variation thereof. I see Apple as benefiting by having an iPhone OS emulator within OS X for people to buy apps for it also. The Mac could drive more demand for iPhone OS products and the iPhone OS products would drive more demand and migration from Windows to Macs.

cleric
May 14, 2010, 12:22 AM
I got my iPad not too long ago and I have fallen in love with it. I also have a Unibody MacBook. While this is a thin and lightweight laptop, it feels like a bunch of bricks compared to my iPad.)
Thats pretty much how I feel, I just can't get past the form factor on the mbp. The glass trackpad, better battery life and better specs are nice. But it still feels like carrying a laptop I know its only 1.5lb difference but it seems significant when you A B them. For me its the difference in being able to effortlessly pick it up with one hand, also I like the minimalistness of it. I have no usb devices and I hate physical media, seems like I only burn stuff for other people.

gwsat
May 14, 2010, 08:57 AM
Thats pretty much how I feel, I just can't get past the form factor on the mbp. The glass trackpad, better battery life and better specs are nice. But it still feels like carrying a laptop I know its only 1.5lb difference but it seems significant when you A B them. For me its the difference in being able to effortlessly pick it up with one hand, also I like the minimalistness of it. I have no usb devices and I hate physical media, seems like I only burn stuff for other people.
Although I got an iPad shortly after it was released and like it a lot, I still want an MBA but not until it is significantly upgraded. Recently, I spent quite a bit of time at the Apple store comparing and contrasting the MBA with the new 13 inch MBP. The MBP can easily be upgraded to 8Gb or RAM and any size SSD your pocket book can handle. Those options aren't available on the MBA. Also, the 13 inch MBP weighs fifty percent more than the MBA and is thicker than the MBA, especially at the edges. This means that the MBA is significantly easier to handle than the 13 inch MBP, which was enough to convince me to wait until the MBA is updated to decide between the MBA and the 13 inch MBP.

1rottenapple
May 14, 2010, 09:24 AM
Naw, honestly I had a 1.86ssd rev B air and went from that to a mbp. The 2.53ghz processor was a good step up when using processor intensive apps (DVD encoding) or running an external monitor that the air had trouble keeping. I use my ipad a lot. Plus the MBA runs HOT And really warm when u are using webrowsing.

tofa.nheu
May 14, 2010, 11:46 PM
First up, hi everyone, first post on macrumors. LOVE this site/forum/people.
LOVE the discussions it's always interesting to see the objective vs fanboy vs haters. Anyways something striked me about this thread.

I have begun wanting a MacBook Air really bad because of how lightweight and portable it is. What do you guys think about this? Do you find yourself feeling the same way when you pick up your MacBooks or MacBook Pros? (Also, I have an iMac so the MacBook Air would in no way be my primary machine.)

Im gonna take the semi-role of hater.

Most people in this thread seem to say two things:
i) "ipad is amazing"
2) "ipad made me want an MBA"

But i reckon it sounds like people are dissatisfied with what the ipad can actually do, and hence this dissatisfaction has driven their need and want for something else with small/compact form factor yet more powerful --> MBA.
i'm not sure if that makes sense...

Anyways, yeah my point is, i get the feeling that people dont seem to be willing to see that the ipad lack of computer prowess, is probably the source of this desire for an MBA.

What do you guys think?

Scottsdale
May 15, 2010, 02:11 AM
First up, hi everyone, first post on macrumors. LOVE this site/forum/people.
LOVE the discussions it's always interesting to see the objective vs fanboy vs haters. Anyways something striked me about this thread.



Im gonna take the semi-role of hater.

Most people in this thread seem to say two things:
i) "ipad is amazing"
2) "ipad made me want an MBA"

But i reckon it sounds like people are dissatisfied with what the ipad can actually do, and hence this dissatisfaction has driven their need and want for something else with small/compact form factor yet more powerful --> MBA.
i'm not sure if that makes sense...

Anyways, yeah my point is, i get the feeling that people dont seem to be willing to see that the ipad lack of computer prowess, is probably the source of this desire for an MBA.

What do you guys think?

Nice first post. Good to have you here in the MBA forum.

I think you're right on with the concept and feelings of those of us who actually own iPads... we love them but wish they were more capable than they actually are today. However, the future will bring better and more capable iPads. The biggest thing is that people cannot replace a computer with an iPad unless they never needed a computer in the first place. The iPad is truly an entertainment device that happens to be capable of light Internet browsing and email (functions we generally think of as needing a computer for but not so as the iPhone user will confirm). The iPad not first and foremost a computer in the connotation we place on a computer from these times. In all reality, the iPad isn't even as convenient or practical as an iPhone as it cannot fit in one's pocket.

On the other hand, the iPad is really just a more portable MBA or an iPhone with a bigger display, but it's not capable of running OS X or applications that run on OS X. That means it's not a MAC COMPUTER. In other words, we can call it a computer, and it can do a few of the functions of the MBA, but it cannot do the most important functions of the MBA and that is everything that's "MAC" in the MacBook Air! The line between iPhone and MBA was blurred, but we all need to remember that the iPad is NOT a Mac. In addition, the iPad does LESS than an iPhone can do... the iPhone does everything the iPad does, plus it does voice, SMS, MMS, and 3G (well 3G iPad does this). I would say my new iPhone HD (as I am definitely buying one the day it becomes available) is more capable and powerful than an iPad.

I would believe that any Apple product encourages others to buy other Apple products. iPods encourage sales of Macs, and Macs encourage sales of iPads, and iPads encourage sales of Macs, and Macs encourage sales of iPhones, and iPhones encourage sales of iTunes content, and iTunes content encourage sales of iPod Touches, and iPod Touches encourage sales of Apps, and Apps encourage sales of iPhones, and you all get the point.

I certainly believe that Apple could sell 10m MBAs this year if they reduced the price to $999 and called it a MB. Then it could sell BTO options creating a much broader audience, and use BTO options to keep the luxury buyers happy too. I could see a $999 to $3999 MBA selling well. The thing Apple needs to do better is allow addition and customization so customers can own the MBA they truly want that is who they are...

Caleb B
May 15, 2010, 10:00 AM
But i reckon it sounds like people are dissatisfied with what the ipad can actually do, and hence this dissatisfaction has driven their need and want for something else with small/compact form factor yet more powerful --> MBA.
i'm not sure if that makes sense...
?

I'm not sure I agree with this statement. It's not that we are dissatisfied with the iPad, we love it. But we love certain features of the iPad (how thin it is) and we want those in our laptop computers. Two totally different devices, however we realize how convenient the thinness of the iPad is. Just to think that we can have a laptop that is almost is thin is what is driving our desire for the MBA. Does that make sense?

Scottsdale
May 15, 2010, 10:37 AM
I'm not sure I agree with this statement. It's not that we are dissatisfied with the iPad, we love it. But we love certain features of the iPad (how thin it is) and we want those in our laptop computers. Two totally different devices, however we realize how convenient the thinness of the iPad is. Just to think that we can have a laptop that is almost is thin is what is driving our desire for the MBA. Does that make sense?

Nice observations.

gwsat
May 15, 2010, 11:14 AM
I'm not sure I agree with this statement. It's not that we are dissatisfied with the iPad, we love it. But we love certain features of the iPad (how thin it is) and we want those in our laptop computers. Two totally different devices, however we realize how convenient the thinness of the iPad is. Just to think that we can have a laptop that is almost is thin is what is driving our desire for the MBA. Does that make sense?
I agree, too. Like most others who have an iPad, I love mine but still recognize its limitations and fantasize about what a suitably upgraded MBA might be able to do. I start to salivate when I contemplate the possibilities of a super thin and ultralight MBA with enough resources to run all the OS X and Windows apps I now run on my MBP. That would be sweet!

Caleb B
May 15, 2010, 12:09 PM
I agree, too. Like most others who have an iPad, I love mine but still recognize its limitations and fantasize about what a suitably upgraded MBA might be able to do. I start to salivate when I contemplate the possibilities of a super thin and ultralight MBA with enough resources to run all the OS X and Windows apps I now run on my MBP. That would be sweet!

Sounds incredible! Hopefully we will see a substantial upgrade in the very near future.