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AmigoMac
Oct 4, 2004, 05:42 AM
First the *smart* Bill and the spyware story, that was funny :), now the "Monkey boy" ... iPod users are thieves (http://management.silicon.com/itpro/0,39024675,39124642,00.htm)

:mad: ...

i hope his son to ask him an iPod for X-mas, if he has not one already and daddy doesn't know :p

caveman_uk
Oct 4, 2004, 06:20 AM
This'll be because the ipod plays mp3's? Well, doesn't every player (except Sony's and they're going to) play mp3's? Even WMP on windows will play mp3's. So if we're thieves then so is everyone else.

Anyway isn't this a bit rich coming from Microsoft?

cluthz
Oct 4, 2004, 06:20 AM
Yeah, and all casette recorder and minidisk owners are thieves too.
DRM is a bad thing! They don't allow you to backup our own music and make it difficult to put it on your iPod (or other digital media).
They are stealing your rights to backup your own leagally buyed music.
CD reability has already become a problem, my first cds (about 15 years old) are getting yellow spots and I have trouble playing them.
What could i do if i don't back them up?

Lancetx
Oct 4, 2004, 06:23 AM
Take this as a good sign. Obviously the iPod is really cutting into M$' bottom line if he's going to the trouble to bad mouth the iPod and it's users publicly. :)

garybUK
Oct 4, 2004, 06:46 AM
Wow this man has children, I do feel sorry for them...

Ballmers bedtime story to his children: Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers

Oh and what do they want to be when they grow up? Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers

haha sorry, couldn't resist.

AmigoMac
Oct 4, 2004, 06:49 AM
Wow this man has children, I do feel sorry for them...

Ballmers bedtime story to his children: Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers

Oh and what do they want to be when they grow up? Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers

haha sorry, couldn't resist.

:D :D :D ... that made my day...

munkle
Oct 4, 2004, 06:58 AM
Take this as a good sign. Obviously the iPod is really cutting into M$' bottom line if he's going to the trouble to bad mouth the iPod and it's users publicly. :)

Ballmer/MS must really be sweating on the iPod to stoop so low. And enough with the repetition of words to get your point across,

We are going to continue to improve our DRM, to make it harder to crack, and easier, easier, easier, easier, to use," he said.

And not only is he a great public speaker but he's a joker too.

"My 12-year-old at home doesn’t want to hear that he can’t put all the music that he wants in all of the places that he would like it," he joked.

Ha,ha,ha fricken hilarious! :cool:

sonyrules
Oct 4, 2004, 07:16 AM
Wow this man has children, I do feel sorry for them...

Ballmers bedtime story to his children: Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers

Oh and what do they want to be when they grow up? Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers

haha sorry, couldn't resist.


Thats awsome...

MacDawg
Oct 4, 2004, 07:19 AM
Quite a broad, sweeping stereotype...

But then again, when has M$ ever "gotten it" on anything?

Abstract
Oct 4, 2004, 07:23 AM
So if MS makes their own player and music store, are their customers thieves as well?

5300cs
Oct 4, 2004, 07:25 AM
Ballmer: 'iPod users are music thieves'

This coming from one of the biggest thieving companies in the industry? :rolleyes:

Funny, I've talked to about 5 people who have actually PAID for windows. Maybe we should change it to 'Windows users are thieves'.
Can someone find some statistics as to the percentage of pirated copies of windows out there?

kettle
Oct 4, 2004, 07:38 AM
Is that a tell tale puddle forming at his feet?

It does sound like it.

the_mole1314
Oct 4, 2004, 08:20 AM
The funny thing is as if M$ players are any better. They play MP3s and most of the illegal music traiding goes on on Windows machines. What I love the is double talk and saving his ass. If your DRM is so easy, why do people have problems importing protected WMAs into WMP 10? Why does buymusic.com have irregular licensing, or why does, most importantly, does nobody care about the MSN Music Store? It seems he's fighting for his music life. The future of music is in downloading stores, and Microsoft missed the target. The next field will be movies, and they are jocking to get into that early. But I guess that Apple will move into that too once all computers come with DVD drives.

Stewie
Oct 4, 2004, 09:42 AM
I find it hard to image how MS can protect music from being stolen when they can't even protect their OS or their flagship office products from being pirated.

rainman::|:|
Oct 4, 2004, 09:50 AM
Some severely obsessive-compulsive people may feel the need to repeat words a certain number of times, it brings them comfort. Just thought I'd throw that out.

paul

Counterfit
Oct 4, 2004, 10:03 AM
The most common format of music on an iPod is 'stolen'. I would say that less than 1% of the music on my iPod is from something other than a CD or the iTunes store. And some of that was legally downloaded (like the two Beatallica albums :D)

aricher
Oct 4, 2004, 10:13 AM
Balmer's just a post-fratboy meathead crybaby.

virividox
Oct 4, 2004, 10:14 AM
whatever

most of my music is legal!!!

Raid
Oct 4, 2004, 10:45 AM
First the *smart* Bill and the spyware story, that was funny :), now the "Monkey boy" ... iPod users are thieves (http://management.silicon.com/itpro/0,39024675,39124642,00.htm)

Man, I think I remember the day's when people used to be called on their rhetoric... he's making a general statement about a group of people using a specific product. It's not that his statement is without merit in some cases, but it certainly doesn't apply to one product.

He's using these comments to try and pump up microsoft's DRM system... it's a lost cause and he knows it, but he won't collect his muti-million dollar bonus this year if he gives up. From a security standpoint, it doesn't matter if a DRM is proprietary or not, it will be cracked in a matter of months anyway. What matters is that no one company should dictate the use of a good or service that was legally purchased; and instead of being told that stealing music is wrong, how getting the labels to defend their pricing and costs?

keysersoze
Oct 4, 2004, 10:57 AM
Stupid Stupid Monkey Man.

fistful
Oct 4, 2004, 11:07 AM
What would Jesus say? "Who cares!"

rueyeet
Oct 4, 2004, 11:23 AM
We’ve had DRM in Windows for years. The most common format of music on an iPod is 'stolen'.....

Most people still steal music. We can build the technology but there are still ways for people to steal music. "Most people" still steal music. Well, hmmm. Most people use Windows, too. I take it the pre-iTMS presence of DRM technology in Windows didn't accomplish squat, then.

His observation should probably be amended to, "The most common format of music on a Windows computer is 'stolen'." (an observation borne out by nearly all of my Windows-using friends and acquaintances).

sushi
Oct 4, 2004, 11:58 AM
"Most people" still steal music. Well, hmmm. Most people use Windows, too. I take it the pre-iTMS presence of DRM technology in Windows didn't accomplish squat, then.
Good point! If DRM has been in Windows for years, what have they done with it? Squat from what I can see.

His observation should probably be amended to, "The most common format of music on a Windows computer is 'stolen'." (an observation borne out by nearly all of my Windows-using friends and acquaintances).
So many Windows users that I know will say, "Why should I pay 99 cents for a song on iTMS when I can DL it for free?"

Sushi

sushi
Oct 4, 2004, 11:59 AM
Some severely obsessive-compulsive people may feel the need to repeat words a certain number of times, it brings them comfort. Just thought I'd throw that out.
So true!

If you say something enough times it them becomes reality.

Sushi

keysersoze
Oct 4, 2004, 12:04 PM
So true!

If you say something enough times it them becomes reality.

Sushi

:eek: Does that really work??

I have some things I want to be reality....off to mumble to myself!

:)

slu
Oct 4, 2004, 02:14 PM
This makes me mad as an iPod user with 3134 legally purchased songs on my iPod. Yeah it took me weeks to rip my CDs to the damn thing, but I bought all these CDs and I am using 'em!

I have never downloaded a song from P2P or iTMS. Way too lazy for that. And I like the instant backup copy.

This reeks of sour grapes and jealousy.

Savage Henry
Oct 4, 2004, 03:04 PM
The man sure knows the motion of the ocean .... he's uncannily riding the very popular anti-iPod wave currently experienced in society right now .... If this is not gonna get people talking positively about him, nothing will .... :rolleyes:

Foxer
Oct 4, 2004, 03:27 PM
Ballmer has a child? Yech...

That means he someone slept with him.

zelmo
Oct 4, 2004, 03:37 PM
Ballmer has a child? Yech...

That means he someone slept with him.

Now if that isn't a compelling argument against the abuse of alcohol, I don't know what is.

"I did WHAT?!!"

sosumi
Oct 4, 2004, 03:45 PM
He's just too funny. I guess all the DRM-songs downloaded from iTMS is by the good people (non iPod-users) who burn them to CD and then rip them to WMA.

emw
Oct 4, 2004, 03:47 PM
Ballmer has a child? Yech...

That means he someone slept with him.

It's amazing what a net worth of $13B will get you... :D

sosumi
Oct 4, 2004, 04:32 PM
you gotta love this one:

http://homepage.mac.com/trianglejuice/iblog/C1683193892/E2045005395/Media/ballmersipod.swf

tech4all
Oct 4, 2004, 05:34 PM
you gotta love this one:

http://homepage.mac.com/trianglejuice/iblog/C1683193892/E2045005395/Media/ballmersipod.swf

LMAO! Thats great! :p

Makosuke
Oct 4, 2004, 07:16 PM
Yeah, Microsoft has done a lot of underhanded, backstabbing things over the years, and its executives have said a lot of patently false, underhanded, slanderous things over the years, but this one is so obviously a lie, not to mention a case of the pot calling the silverware black, that is's almost funny.

It would be, if the guy weren't worth more than most countries and the head of one of the richest corporations on the planet.

Seriously, we're talking about the guy responsible for WINDOWS, which, last I checked, is by far the most popular platform for pirates of absolutely anything--music, movies, porn, software, Windows itself, whatever. About the only thing outside of corporate America installed on a Wintel box that isn't pirated is Linux.

I dare ol Monkey Boy to grab a random iPod listner off the street and compare what's on his/her iPod to what's on the Windows PC of another random person, complete with this amazing "DRM", and see which one contains more stolen content. My iPod sure don't, but darn near every Wintel box I've worked on sure does.

(Incidentally, why don't they call it "DRR" -- Digital Rights Restriction -- which is what it is. My rights don't need management, thank you. Oh, and if this post lacks specific characters such as "L", it's because I just dismantled my keyboard to clean it, and did something wrong.)

Mechcozmo
Oct 4, 2004, 07:19 PM
Link isn't working.

I wonder...does that mean that because I have a USB flash drive I am an evil person who steals corperate data?

My iPod has.....maybe..........3 songs from P2P networking.....I deleted them all when iTMS came out and I realised what I had been doing. That guy wouldn't know the difference between a SCSI cable and an ATA cable even if they bit him in the ass. :)

web_god61
Oct 4, 2004, 11:48 PM
Wow this man has children, I do feel sorry for them...

Ballmers bedtime story to his children: Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers

Oh and what do they want to be when they grow up? Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers

haha sorry, couldn't resist.

It's great but for those who are wondering what he's talking about...

http://www.ntk.net/media/developers.mpg

and Monkeyboy.

http://www.tarmo.fi/arc/monkeydance.mpeg

I think he's finnally lost it, all that money must of made him insane.

Chaszmyr
Oct 4, 2004, 11:49 PM
Whether or not someone steals music has NOTHING to do with whether or not they own an iPod. MS/Ballmer really tick me off. :mad:

Les Kern
Oct 5, 2004, 06:56 AM
I demand an apology. Imagine that a man in his position would stoop so low. He's an irresponsible nitwit, a cretin, a dork, a liar, a moron, an imbecile, a dolt, a jackass, an idiot, a dumbass, a wierdo, a knucklehead, blockhead, boob, booby, cretin, dimwit, donkey, dumb ox, dumbbell, dunce, dunderhead, fool, halfwit, twit, yo-yo, ignoramus, jerk, kook, meathead, mental defective, nincompoop, ninny, pinhead, pointy head, simpleton... he's just plain stupid.
And that's just the stuff I can say here!

garybUK
Oct 5, 2004, 07:35 AM
I demand an apology. Imagine that a man in his position would stoop so low. He's an irresponsible nitwit, a cretin, a dork, a liar, a moron, an imbecile, a dolt, a jackass, an idiot, a dumbass, a wierdo, a knucklehead, blockhead, boob, booby, cretin, dimwit, donkey, dumb ox, dumbbell, dunce, dunderhead, fool, halfwit, twit, yo-yo, ignoramus, jerk, kook, meathead, mental defective, nincompoop, ninny, pinhead, pointy head, simpleton... he's just plain stupid.
And that's just the stuff I can say here!

can I throw in, inbred??

there! i think the list is complete.

brap
Oct 5, 2004, 07:42 AM
can I throw in, inbread??
That's one mighty meaty sandwich.

CAM
Oct 5, 2004, 08:04 AM
Seriously, we're talking about the guy responsible for WINDOWS, which, last I checked, is by far the most popular platform for pirates of absolutely anything--music, movies, porn, software, Windows itself, whatever. About the only thing outside of corporate America installed on a Wintel box that isn't pirated is Linux.


Exactly what I was thinking. Steve Ballsless... er Ballmer has just made himself the biggest, sweatiest hypocrite in the universe. Is the iPod frequently used for piracy? Yeah, it is. I don't deny that. Is Windows used for piracy? Um.... let me think.... Actually, I'd dare say piracy may well be considered one of Windows' primary uses. Maybe surfing the net is #1, but I can actually imagine piracy coming in ahead of word processing or gaming. Even if that's not the case, Steve has no room to talk.

agreenster
Oct 5, 2004, 08:38 AM
Does the man have NO dignity? What a fool.

aricher
Oct 5, 2004, 09:12 AM
I live my Mac life clean - no pirated software, movies, music, etc. I spent a TON of time ripping all of my CDs to MP3s and am now digitizing the 5000+ records I own. In my younger days I used to download music but don't really have the time for it - that and most downloadable music is in crappy 128 bit form.

My PC-based friends however - pirate masters - yaaarrgggh - DVD collections full of movies, music, etc. The P2P software available for PCs lends itself to this behavior. Sure, there are people on all brands of OSes that will pirates but it sure seems weighted towards the Windoze side.

Micro$oft... the evil empire

thejazzman10
Oct 5, 2004, 07:39 PM

sushi
Oct 5, 2004, 08:24 PM
:eek: Does that really work??

I have some things I want to be reality....off to mumble to myself!

:)
Go for it. You are among friends! :D

Sushi

munkle
Oct 11, 2004, 01:43 PM
You can always count on the Joy of Tech for a good giggle!

FelixDerKater
Oct 11, 2004, 05:56 PM
Wow. This guy is an idiot.

I can understand why he would hate the iPod, though... I am amazed at how many 4G iPods I see on a daily basis, let alone iPods in general.

chanoc
Oct 13, 2004, 05:54 PM
micro$oft and logic are mutually exclusive words

while micro$oft logic is an oxymoron. :p