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r6girl
Oct 4, 2004, 07:30 PM
so, i had pre-ordered the macmice BT mouse since i was getting more and more tired every day of my apple BT mouse with no scroll wheel or 2nd button. it came in the mail today, a few days earlier than expected (they stated it would ship on or around 10/5, but i assumed it would ship on 10/5 at the earliest)!

i got the aluminum version - it looks nice and to my eyes in normal afternoon daylight, it's a good match with my powerbook. it was a piece of cake to pair up, as expected. the "feel" of the mouse is not meeting my expectations (in my first few minutes of use - this could change as i get used to it). a few things:


the scroll wheel rolls smoothly, with no "click" feel or sound. this had been described in the macmice product overview, but it's a little unnerving as every other scroll mouse i've used provides some tactile feedback. i find i scroll "too fast" without any tactile feedback, but i could get used to it and like it just fine after a while.
it's not as heavy and solid-feeling as the apple mouse. in fact, the plastic casing "lifts" toward the front, apparently because of the way the plastic is split to make the two buttons (so it's not firmly anchored to the bottom of the mouse like the apple BT mouse is).
it's lighter than the apple BT mouse (both compared with batteries inserted). but this is something that i can get used to.


oh, one more thing. it's easy to click both buttons at the same time - i find i must lift my other fingers from the mouse because it's so easy to put pressure on the whole thing versus just the button i'm targeting. this is mostly evident with the right button where i usually use my middle finger and leave my first finger on the left button. probably just laziness on my part, plus the fact that i've been used to the apple one-button mouse and never had to worry about pressing more than one button at a time.

it looks exactly as pictured in the web site, so no issues there. i'll have to see what it's like after using it for a while to see if i do get used to it in relation to the apple mouse...

marianne

r6girl
Oct 4, 2004, 07:36 PM
uh-oh. it's also skipping a bit. could be a show-stopper if it's not fixable...

marianne

dotnina
Oct 4, 2004, 09:33 PM
Thanks for the review! I've been curious about it myself, though I'm pretty happy with my MS Starck mouse for now.

If you get a chance and have a camera around, could you post a pic? I want to see how it compares with the color of the Powerbook.

iMeowbot
Oct 4, 2004, 10:01 PM
Problems aren't too surprising. Macmice's manufacturing parter, A4 Tech (http://www.a4tech.com/en/product1.asp?CID=1&SCID=5), don't have Bluetooth certification (if they did, they'd be trumpeting it and they aren't).

[Half expecting Jack to jump in here, I'll just say up front that oh yes they are A4 mice. It's A4's patented scroll wheel, and the corded version uses A4's copyrighted device drivers.]

aswitcher
Oct 4, 2004, 10:12 PM
Problems aren't too surprising. Macmice's manufacturing parter, A4 Tech (http://www.a4tech.com/en/product1.asp?CID=1&SCID=5), don't have Bluetooth certification (if they did, they'd be trumpeting it and they aren't).



Oh, thats not good. Damn. This guy was one of my leading mice...mmm...I think I'll keep waiting for Logitech to do me a BT mouse with a "frikin LAZER" :) Hopefully they are onto that right now. And full MAC OSX support as well thanks ;)

Joeytpg
Oct 4, 2004, 10:58 PM
i love my logitech MX510........but i'll get an apple black mouse to keep it in my bag so i can use it when i'm out, and the logitech when i'm in the house :)

iMeowbot
Oct 4, 2004, 11:05 PM
I think I'll keep waiting for Logitech to do me a BT mouse with a "frikin LAZER" :)
that would be cool. Hopefully they can manage to build one without the frikin right-handed discomfort grip!

r6girl
Oct 4, 2004, 11:28 PM
Thanks for the review! I've been curious about it myself, though I'm pretty happy with my MS Starck mouse for now.

If you get a chance and have a camera around, could you post a pic? I want to see how it compares with the color of the Powerbook.

sure. i'll post a pic tomorrow with some natural light - using the flash here in my not-so-well-lit home office is making everything look washed out and is not accurately representing the color.

marianne

rdowns
Oct 5, 2004, 04:46 AM
Oh, thats not good. Damn. This guy was one of my leading mice...mmm...I think I'll keep waiting for Logitech to do me a BT mouse with a "frikin LAZER" :) Hopefully they are onto that right now. And full MAC OSX support as well thanks ;)

Why wait? A BT version will have a cradle/charger that will plug into a USB port and will probably cost more. I see no benefit of a BT over the current MX1000. The MX1000 does have full OS X support or am I missing something?

Diatribe
Oct 5, 2004, 05:01 AM
Why wait? A BT version will have a cradle/charger that will plug into a USB port and will probably cost more. I see no benefit of a BT over the current MX1000. The MX1000 does have full OS X support or am I missing something?

Yep you are :D
You could use the BT version without the cradle when you're on the go with your 'book and only use it to charge the mouse. This is why so many people are waiting for the BT version, or a MX900 version with an on/off switch (me included). But as you pointed out any BT from Logitech will most likely NOT have native OSX support. So it's up to each and every one.

aswitcher
Oct 5, 2004, 05:42 AM
Yep you are :D
You could use the BT version without the cradle when you're on the go with your 'book and only use it to charge the mouse. This is why so many people are waiting for the BT version, or a MX900 version with an on/off switch (me included). But as you pointed out any BT from Logitech will most likely NOT have native OSX support. So it's up to each and every one.

Thats it...but I want the (educated guess here) MX1100 BT mouse with the frikin "LAZER" to have switch that reads "fire/safety" :D

kbonnel
Oct 5, 2004, 12:30 PM
I am really hoping that this mouse works well. I am currently using a BT500. I can't stand the size/weight of the microsoft/logitech mice (and for some reason the slow response time). I am getting used to the very small size of the BT500, but it goes through batteries way to fast.

I have also noticed that at certain times (I still have not figured out all the causes) my mouse movements start to get sluggish. Certain web pages cause this (when I move my pointer through the page, it seems to studder), but most pages are fine.

Oh well.. I just want a darn BT mouse that is a "normal size and weight", and has "normal" usb response. Oh, and a long battery life. And while we are at it, make it cheap :)

Kimo

iMeowbot
Oct 5, 2004, 06:21 PM
I'll just put in a word for Wacom tablets as a compromise. The tablet is wired, but the pen and mouse are free. The mouse moves in the right directions even if your hand turns, and switching between the mouse and pen (even if you're not using it for drawing) gives your hand a rest from being in the same position for too long.

If at all possible, try out a few before buying. A bigger surface isn't necessarily better, it depends a lot on how you use it. The smallest might even be what you want if the pen becomes a full-time mouse replacement.

Bhennies
Oct 5, 2004, 07:06 PM
I'll just put in a word for Wacom tablets as a compromise. The tablet is wired, but the pen and mouse are free. I gotta say that I can't stand that wacom mouse. I have a 6x8 intuos and I find the response to be a little funny feeling, not to mention that the mouse only works when it's over the tablet itself- in other words...I use the pen often and keep the wacom mouse in a drawer. The pen is amazing though- what a great device.

As for stuttering and such, I'm starting to wonder if it's the bluetooth firmware or apple driver rather than specific mice. My apple pro BT mouse is stuttery and occasionally even lags...definitely not my go to for photoshop work- that's why I use the wacom though. I kind of feel like Apple pushed the BT thing without fully explaining that it's not as good accurate as corded/USB- I assumed from the way it was being marketed that it was essentially a replacement for a corded mouse with the only drawback being battery usage. Not to mention that BT doesn't work sometimes (like when booting up from software restore disk to repair permissions) which means I've got to open up my damn powerbook from clamshell mode and use the freakin' powerbook mouse and keyboard when I've got a 120 bucks of useless BT gear sitting there unusuable.

So anyway, I hope that when the next BT update comes out, we'll all see improvements.

So all in all do you consider the macmice BT mouse "worth it"...at least compared to the apple pro mouse? I'm thinking of selling mine and getting one...

Whigga Spitta
Oct 5, 2004, 09:28 PM
Does anyone have any information regarding Logitech's ongoing support for Bluetooth? I guess it doesn't really matter to me (i have a MX900), but do they plan to pursue Bluetooth in the future, or is it pretty much dead??

r6girl
Oct 5, 2004, 10:45 PM
okay. i didn't get a chance to take pictures in regular daylight, so i've put the not-so-good pictures i took last night using the flash indoors. check out my idisk site to see them: http://homepage.mac.com/m.schultz/files_to_share/

um, i'd link them here, but couldn't find a way to do that quickly. could anyone provide directions on how to get the pictures to show up as part of my post?

marianne

Diatribe
Oct 6, 2004, 02:32 AM
Does anyone have any information regarding Logitech's ongoing support for Bluetooth? I guess it doesn't really matter to me (i have a MX900), but do they plan to pursue Bluetooth in the future, or is it pretty much dead??

Now this is the question. If you can answer this a whole lot of people will fall to your knees. :D

Abstract
Oct 6, 2004, 08:01 AM
Bah, they should support BT.

We need another review of this mouse by a user here. I really need to move away from USB. I think that by plugging and unplugging my USB mouse all the time, the port is going to fall out or something. Not all USB plugs fit USB ports perfectly well. Some seem to fit better than others, and mine seems a bit tight...

Anyway, I've been waiting for this mouse for a while, and now it's finally here. :)

wPod
Oct 6, 2004, 08:31 AM
er more on topic of the mouse BT . . . i got mine as well, a couple days before the expected ship date. i think its great. its everything ive been looking for in a mouse. BT (so i can use the internal BT on my PB) no dock or charger or anything to get in the way, just a simple mouse with 3 buttons and an on/off switch!

as for tracking etc i think it works fine. but i also have the 'clicking-both-buttons' problem. this is what i found on the macmice FAQ page :

(hmm attached a pic the x shows where to click and where not to click)

here is a link to the site http://www.macmice.com/faq.html#TheMouse

but i am re-learning how to use a mouse to avoid clicking both buttons at once. its kina annoying, but i still like the mouse. ive already taken the mouse apart trying to re-engineere it so i dont click both buttons but so far all my ideas require a new shell for the mouse and i dont have access to such plastic molding devices as i would need for that.

<edit> oh yeah, one other thing. i really like the smoothe scroll wheel. i had to go adjust the speed of it in system prefs. but once that was adjusted properly i think it feels a LOT better than scroll wheels that click!

goodwill
Oct 6, 2004, 09:49 AM
For the two of you who have recieved yours, I am getting so anxious. I pre-ordered mine on the 23rd of September and to know one of you is in Dallas I keep checking the mail hoping it will be in there! Im quite anxious and looking forward to it since the mouse I have now is too old school. Keep the reviews coming if you have any more insight or news.

izibo
Oct 6, 2004, 10:57 AM
Oh, thats not good. Damn. This guy was one of my leading mice...mmm...I think I'll keep waiting for Logitech to do me a BT mouse with a "frikin LAZER" :) Hopefully they are onto that right now. And full MAC OSX support as well thanks ;)

Well first of all, logitech has full mac os x support for all their mice.

Second, I have no idea why everyone is so infatuated with BT. If you think about, having a BT mouse makes no sense. If you do any detailed work in photoshop or gaming, then you need your mouse to have no latency. For most people this means corded mice only.

However, logitech does have their fast RF technology which operates at a high enough frequency where there is no lag. Mouse that use this are the MX700 and MX1000. If you look at their MX900 (same as MX700 but with BT) the mouse lags significantly. Same is true with the apple Bt moues or any BT mouse for that matter.

So, I guess I am saying give up BT and get a real mouse (like me, I just picked up the MX1000, its amazing)

quidire
Oct 6, 2004, 11:52 AM
Well first of all, logitech has full mac os x support for all their mice.

No, no they do not. Go check logitech's site, and you'll notice that none of their BT mice are officially supported under Macs. The reason is that their tolerances exceed Apples for frequency variance, amplitude variance, etc. I don't know if they are exceeding the BT spec, or if Apple is extra-strict or what.


Second, I have no idea why everyone is so infatuated with BT. If you think about, having a BT mouse makes no sense. If you do any detailed work in photoshop or gaming, then you need your mouse to have no latency. For most people this means corded mice only.

However, logitech does have their fast RF technology which operates at a high enough frequency where there is no lag. Mouse that use this are the MX700 and MX1000. If you look at their MX900 (same as MX700 but with BT) the mouse lags significantly. Same is true with the apple Bt moues or any BT mouse for that matter.

So, I guess I am saying give up BT and get a real mouse (like me, I just picked up the MX1000, its amazing)

The MX900 is specifically incompatible with Mac OS X. I would say that this is why the MX900 has much more lag than the Apple BT or any of the others that are stated to be Mac-compatible.

There are two issues you conflate: resolution and latency. WRT resolution, that is entirely dependant on the sensor type. The MX1000 does have a higher resolution than any other optical mouse for now, but this is not a wired vs BT vs RF issue.

All mice have latency. The only difference between an electric pulse running up a cord and a EM wave heading from the mouse to the receiver is really the extra distance the signal travels in the pre-process and post-process DAC and transmit/receive circuitry, in theory. Interfereance is what causes any meaningful difference in latency. (the extra distance that signal is covering circuit-wise is irrelevant, really)

Compatible BT vs RF (2.4 gHz Bluetooth standard vs proprietary RF, usually 900 mHz)

Laptop owners want wireless mice without a dongle; there is no RF standard, thus no built-in RF adapter
Latency is a non-issue in photoshop, or really any application outside of gaming.
iMac + BT mouse / keyboard = design coup
BT and RF suffer from interfereance. Any 900 mHz interfereance and an RF mouse will lose precision. Any non-WiFi presence in the 2.4 gHz range and a BT mouse will have the lag that annoys you so much.


Without interfereance, any well-designed mouse has latency that is easily low enough for gaming; network latency is slower thus any online game you can't possibly have lag due to your mouse. The latency is not additive; you generally are acting upon the mouse in response to a picture that is at least 115ms old (the average best-latency in the North American portion of the Internet). If your mouse takes 60ms (I have no real numbers on BT latency, but its less than 60ms for certain!) to get your input to the CPU, it doesn't matter so long as when the game updates, your action is waiting there, ready to be included in the new cycle's recalculation of location and status.

Now supposedly WiFi does not cause interfereance w/ BT; while they are both 2.4 gHz, the specs were designed with each other in mind. I don't know how true this turns out to be in practice. I know old versions of the drivers for Apple BT module and old firmware for Airports used to lead to Airport vs keyboard/mouse conflicts... supposedly this has been fixed through tighter tolerances... I know at the time other BT mice did not suffer from this problem, and I know that Apple has said it has addressed this issue since.

Final thought: The most noticeable reason many of us get irritated w/ wireless mice is that they have a power-save mode they enter too readily; ignore the mouse for a little while and it will have to snap out of stand-by and then report your input to the computer. That latency is truly noticeable and aggravating. It is an issue that is manufacturer specific, and fairly zero-sum with the issue of power longevity. (perhaps add in a third axis for battery weight ;) )

r6girl
Oct 6, 2004, 12:44 PM
so, now that i've a bit more time with the macmice mouse, i have a few more comments...

- i find that it takes longer to "wake up" than the apple BT mouse. it probably adds up to a total of 10 more seconds, but it can be a bit maddening! :D
- it does jump as well - not horribly, but usually when i least need it to do so (when hovering over a button/link among many when the wrong choice would be a pain to deal with). i never noticed any skipping at all with my apple mouse, so this is disappointing, since it's clear that making a non-skipping mouse is possible.
- i'm getting used to the smooth scrolling wheel. i've adjusted the speed and it works well.
- the "lifting" of the front of the mouse i'd mentioned before still bothers me. i will occasionally lift the mouse to move it to another part of the mousepad to have more room to maneuver, and it just feels flimsy. apple avoided this by placing two "solid spots" (where the bottom of the mouse actually extends to the sides of the mouse, so you avoid lifting the button portion), but macmice did not do this.
- it is nice to have 2nd button - contextual menus are my friend. i'm still on the fence about whether or not the flimsiness and jumpiness/skipping issues will drive me back to the apple mouse, though.

wpod - thanks for the link to the macmice faq to help with the multiple clicking issue. it is just a matter of being more mindful of how you click, so i'm concentrating more on that. i also noticed in their faq that they comment on the skipping and jumping, going so far as to state that they've heard of the issue many times but will not send a replacement mouse since it's usually a function of the user's set-up and sending a new mouse doesn't fix that. you'd think they'd key into as a quality issue then, non? again, if my apple BT mouse doesn't skip, making a non-skipping mouse is possible, right? given that, i'm a bit sorry i paid $69 for this one - the same price as the apple one (albeit without a 2nd button and scroll wheel) that is of higher quality...

marianne

wPod
Oct 6, 2004, 03:23 PM
i agree with the 'lifting' it feels a bit flimsy at times :-/ i dont know how it compares to the apple BT b/c i never got that (dont like 1 button) i havent had any problems with jumping though. but the first thing i did when i got it was updated my BT drivers from apples site (even though software update said i had the most recent) dont know if that made a difference or not.

as for the smooth scrolling wheel - im noticing something od, maybe i never noticed it before. the scrolling goes the same distance all the time. on a mouse pointer if you move your mouse slowly for .5 inches it moves .5 inches on the screen (made up the numbers as example) if you move your mouse quickly for .5 inches then the pointer moves 2 inches! do all scroll wheels not have the same sort of curve? (i move 1/4 turn slow and the webpage moves 7 lines then move 1/4 turn quickly and the page still only moves 7 lines) er if that makes sense. maybe it is just something od i noticed b/c of the smoothness and it was still like that with my old mouse (too lazy to get it out hook it up and check)

TheCubedXbox
Oct 6, 2004, 03:46 PM
I'm glad to see some first hand reviews on this mouse, I've been thinking about getting one. I want to know before I buy ANY optical mouse though if it will work on a wood desk with a glass plate top. You can see the wood through the glass, it's just there for looks but I didn't know if that would screw up the optical sensors. Thanks in advance!

starcrossed
Oct 6, 2004, 05:46 PM
Well, today I finally recieved my MouseBT the white version. I been debating on the colors to match my Powerbook but the white isn't too bad. This is my first ever bluetooth or wireless mouse so I had been anxious to get my hands on it.

Pros: Right click, and scroll wheel+click, obviously a nice touch. I really look the smooth scroll wheel, to me it feels much better than the tactile of other mouse including the MX700 that I previously used. The look of the mouse is just like Apple's mouse which is one of the main reasons I bought, I just which I could open up the baby and place a little Apple logo over the white case. :cool:

Cons: I don't quite like how the red laser shines through the white mouse in the shape of an "I" or "T". Its cools how it shines through the scroll wheel, but I felt they could over put a little cover to keep it from going the the white at all. Sometimes the mouse kicks in from sleep with a little move, or how MacMice states with a simple click, but there are times it is rather troublesome to wake it up. I have noticed a little jumpiness at times, but nothing that has bothered me that much. I also think the bottom of the mouse looks like its from a cheap $9.99 mouse, and I don't like how the the front of the mouse's plastic shell can be pulled upwards, but I don't know if this was done by mistake or it thats how the mouse needed to be for the two clicks.

All in all I made sure to download the latest bluetooth firmware, since this my first time using a bluetooth device with my Powerbook, to make sure it would go as well as possible. I think the mouse definitly deserves a rating of 4 out 5. I think it was a well made purchase and so far in these past few hours I've been generally pleased with it. Hopefully I can soon figure if the little problems I have with the mouse are MacMice's fault, Apple's fault, or that's just the way Bluetooth technology is. But its nice to now have no wires connected to my Powerbook, only Firewire and USB when needed.:cool:

Also to understand my opinion more I have gone from the Apple USB mouse, to the Logitech MX700 USB, to this mouse, and I'll probably put the other two on the shelf at least for the time being.

starcrossed
Oct 6, 2004, 05:49 PM

starcrossed
Oct 6, 2004, 05:50 PM
I'm glad to see some first hand reviews on this mouse, I've been thinking about getting one. I want to know before I buy ANY optical mouse though if it will work on a wood desk with a glass plate top. You can see the wood through the glass, it's just there for looks but I didn't know if that would screw up the optical sensors. Thanks in advance!

I have a glass top desk, but I couldn't get the mouse's optical sensors to pick it up as a surface, so I went back to the mouse pad.

mizzman36
Oct 6, 2004, 06:18 PM
In regards to the issue of the mouse being to easy to accidently click both buttons, I had a similar problem on my non-BT MacMice. Mine was so bad I took it back to the shop that I bought it. I tried some other MacMice they had in display, and they did not suffer the same issue.

So the first thing I would say is that there seems to be a quality control issue with these mice, and seceondly, if you have this problem, send it back and request another.

aswitcher
Oct 6, 2004, 07:47 PM
I have a glass top desk, but I couldn't get the mouse's optical sensors to pick it up as a surface, so I went back to the mouse pad.


I think someone said the new "LAZER" mouse works on glass...?

Whigga Spitta
Oct 6, 2004, 09:58 PM
so maybe the clicking problem i had with The Mouse was a quality control issue--either way, I'm happy with the MX900 because it's mapped to expose. i'm kinda gettin jealous of MX1000 owners now...

superbovine
Oct 6, 2004, 10:01 PM
how is the weight of the mouse. i don't like mice that feel to light.

starcrossed
Oct 6, 2004, 10:47 PM
how is the weight of the mouse. i don't like mice that feel to light.

The weight of TheMouseBT is really nice. Its not as light as the USB Apple Pro Mouse, but still not that heavy. I say close to perfect size.

Abstract
Oct 7, 2004, 07:29 AM
Well the description of the Mouse BT so far is that it feels cheap, it's easy to press both buttons at the same time, and it wakes from sleep very slowly.

Doesn't sound like a great mouse to me, but I may still test it out once it comes out in Oz.....probably in 3 years or something. *sigh* :(

r6girl
Oct 7, 2004, 09:04 AM
Well the description of the Mouse BT so far is that it feels cheap, it's easy to press both buttons at the same time, and it wakes from sleep very slowly.

Doesn't sound like a great mouse to me, but I may still test it out once it comes out in Oz.....probably in 3 years or something. *sigh* :(

yes, it feel cheaper than i had expected (for the price i paid), it can be easy to press both buttons but it can be avoided if you're careful, and it does wake from sleep slowly most of the time. i don't think it's a terrible mouse, it's just not everything i had thought it would be (particulary based on the reviews prior to it's official release) and i'm disappointed i paid that much for it. i think it would be a good mouse for, say, half the price. so, buy one used from ebay! :)

marianne

micvog
Oct 7, 2004, 11:16 AM
Any non-WiFi presence in the 2.4 gHz range and a BT mouse will have the lag that annoys you so much.

Thanks quidire! I had an Apple BT mouse sitting in my closet that I didn't use because of the lack of precision. I had since replaced my 2.4GHz phones with 5.8GHz to get better Airport reception, but never realized that it affected BT as well. I pulled the mouse out last night and it is MUCH better. :D

Now if it only had a scroll wheel and second mouse button...

wPod
Oct 7, 2004, 12:56 PM
Well the description of the Mouse BT so far is that it feels cheap, it's easy to press both buttons at the same time, and it wakes from sleep very slowly.


yes, but you forgot to mention the good things about it! it works well once it has woken up! its cool b/c there are no cables to hook up, so it is just as portable and easy to use as any powerbook with built in bluetooth. right now the coolness/usability outweighs the couple things you mentioned. at least for me :-)

KevRC4130
Oct 11, 2004, 07:52 AM
I still can't decide if I want this mouse. It seems like in reviews about anything, people point out the bad stuff and not so much the good stuff.... Has anyone else got one of these mice since this was posted? I know theres been a couple people but I remember seeing many people say that they preordered, you people need to tell us what you think!

nels0360
Oct 11, 2004, 11:31 AM
I pre-ordered mine, so I don't know what the heck is taking so long. I'll post with my experience when I get it.

BrianKonarsMac
Oct 11, 2004, 06:01 PM
I'm glad to see some first hand reviews on this mouse, I've been thinking about getting one. I want to know before I buy ANY optical mouse though if it will work on a wood desk with a glass plate top. You can see the wood through the glass, it's just there for looks but I didn't know if that would screw up the optical sensors. Thanks in advance! not happening buddy, the MX1000 is what you want. Optical relies on reflection (i.e. no good through glass, no matter what is beneath it), the Laser doesn't, and works on any surface, even with material (such as a couch pillow...then again my Logitech Optical works on the couch pillow too, but on a glass surface it bounces all over the place, and their is wood underneath the glass as well).

starcrossed
Oct 11, 2004, 06:41 PM
I pre-ordered mine, so I don't know what the heck is taking so long. I'll post with my experience when I get it.

Wow, something must be wrong on your order. I didn't place my order until Friday Oct. 1st the day they announced it shipping, and with 2day shipping I recieved on Wednesday the 6th.

I know many are posting bad comments about the mouse, but after a few days of using the mouse, I actually do still love it. I have not once experienced the problem of accidently clicking both buttons at the same time. I was having the problem of the mouse not responding to movement and jumping, but I realized now that it's the mouse pad the optical sensor doesn't like, because when I use the mouse on the empty space on my Powerbook, it responds so well to that surface, very close to perfect. So the only drawback so far is now I have to find a perfect mouse pad that it will like. But overall its so nice to have one less wire coming out the Powerbook. The MX1000 does look like a nice mouse, but its the idea of having the USB reciever/cradle to lug around with the Powerbook, which in a way diminishes the idea of a wireless mouse. If I were to use it on a desktop computer it wouldn't be too bad, but not with my Powerbook.

DrEwe
Oct 12, 2004, 10:26 PM
I have had my AL BT MacMouse for a week now and like it a lot. This is my first BT mouse, so my comparison is an MS Intellimouse. I use it on a polished wood desk and a cream formica work station, and have experienced no jumping or tracking issues. It seems to wake up quickly from sleep.

It has a nice "heft" to it - not too light and not too heavy. I agree that the lack of shell attachement at the front is a bit disconcerting if you really pick it up and play with it, but in general use I do not notice it. I have thrown it in my briefcase every day since I got it and it has suffered no harm!

I have not had the issue of clicking both sides at once, but I have never used a single button mouse and wonder is those who have are more prone to this problem. The scroll wheel is fine - I dont miss the clicks.

It looks great as well, and is causing Mac envy at work, which is a bonus. :)

sebisworld
Oct 13, 2004, 05:10 AM
I think someone said the new "LAZER" mouse works on glass...?

Nope, it's one of only a few surfaces it doesn't work on.

Jalexster
Oct 13, 2004, 09:40 AM
Logitech says that the MX1000 dosen't work on glass or relfective surfaces. I'm pretty sure a review said it does though.

I personally have an MX700. Logitech's Fast RF technology is a lot better than Bluetooth. There is no lag, or prescison problems.

Generally, the MX mice go like this:

Worst to Best:

MX900 (Bluetooth)
MX300 (Wired)
MX500 (Wired)
MX700 (Wireless)
MX310 (Wired)
MX510 (Wired)
MX1000 (Wireless)

Yes, in a comparison between the MX1000 and the MX510, the MX1000 was more acurate, even though it is wireless, and the MX510 is wired.

ferrisb
Oct 13, 2004, 10:47 AM
You may want to try downloading their MouseCommand drivers.

I don't have the BT Mouse yet, just the original one, and I was having issues with the cursor jumping around too. Once I installed their software for the mouse, things started working a lot better.

aricher
Oct 13, 2004, 12:04 PM
mouse on glass = mousepad

nels0360
Oct 13, 2004, 03:58 PM
I received my MacMice Bluetooth Mouse (aluminum) yesterday. I ordered it on September 30 with Priority Mail shipping. Oddly, it didnít ship until October 8 and I received it on October 12. The total for the mouse and shipping was approximately $78.50 which is expensive for a mouse, but I donít have a problem paying it if it works properly.

It arrived in a nice black box that included two AA batteries, much like the Apple Wireless mouse packaging.

Other reviewers have mentioned problems with the cursor jumping, but I havenít experienced that problem and the tracking has been very smooth.

The scroll wheel has a soft rubbery feel to it and it lights up red due to the optics of the mouse. I like that the scroll wheel is a smooth action wheel, so there are no clicks or stopping points when you are scrolling. However, this does create a problem. I click the scroll wheel to open up links in new tabs using Safari. This is difficult, but not impossible, to do because the scroll wheel tends to roll when you try click it. As far as the right and left buttons go, I havenít had any problems with them. They have been very responsive.

I have had both the Apple Wireless mouse and the Logitech MX900. The MacMice BT mouse works better for me than either of them. However, if you want to map buttons to Expose, get the Logitech MX 900 since it is easy to do with that mouse.

Feel free to post any questions that you may have.

r6girl
Oct 13, 2004, 11:06 PM
Other reviewers have mentioned problems with the cursor jumping, but I havenít experienced that problem and the tracking has been very smooth.

I click the scroll wheel to open up links in new tabs using Safari.


you're lucky you don't get the cursor jumping! i am jealous. i'm still trying to understand why this happens with mine...

how do you map the scroll wheel button to open up links in new tabs? i'm sure there's some piece of software out there i'm missing - what do you use? any information would be greatly appreciated!

thanks,
marianne

nels0360
Oct 13, 2004, 11:16 PM
you're lucky you don't get the cursor jumping! i am jealous. i'm still trying to understand why this happens with mine...

how do you map the scroll wheel button to open up links in new tabs? i'm sure there's some piece of software out there i'm missing - what do you use? any information would be greatly appreciated!

thanks,
marianne

I didn't have to map the middle button in Safari. I have version 1.2.3 of Safari and when I middle click it opens it up in a new tab behind the current one.

Eldentistfuturo
Oct 14, 2004, 08:22 AM
my mouse jumps a whole lot. Is there anything i can do about this?

KevRC4130
Oct 14, 2004, 07:30 PM
I have read that simply restarting your computer should help the responsiveness of the Mouse, it probably needs to have the computer shut off and reboot to be fully installed or something.

Eldentistfuturo
Oct 14, 2004, 07:35 PM
i did that, but it still is very "jittery"

zagato27
Oct 14, 2004, 07:51 PM
Anybody try the RadTech BT? Seems a bit small for a desktop application but might be just right for a PB. I'd like to get a BT for my G5 but haven't found thr right one yet. A Logitech BT would be nice with full OS X compatibility. Still waiting. :( Cheers

crazy norwegian
Oct 22, 2004, 10:08 AM
Anybody try the RadTech BT? Seems a bit small for a desktop application but might be just right for a PB. I'd like to get a BT for my G5 but haven't found thr right one yet. A Logitech BT would be nice with full OS X compatibility. Still waiting. :( Cheers

I just got my radtech BT500. First time using a BT mouse. It was a lot smaller than I thought it would be but I am used to it now and is much easier to carry in the bag. It tracks well with precision and is smooth (no jumping). I like it a lot so far.

One thing is a little disconcerting though: a few times it has gotten confused - the left mouse button "goes away" = no work and the right mouse button does what the left mouse button used to do! I find that all I need to do is turn it off and back on and it starts working just fine. I have used it for about 20 hours so far over several days and this has happened twice. I will say I am using it in a WI-FI environment (work) but I wouldn't think that had anything to do with it - would it?

Anyway, I like it, good heft for the size and works on a smooth white formica surface very well. It also works on the mega real-estate on my 17" powerbook to the right of the hated evil track pad.

crazy n

Threnody
Oct 29, 2004, 05:50 PM
I got my The Mouse BT (white) a couple of days ago, but I don't seem to be having the problems everyone else is. I ran the Bluetooth Updater before I paired it, and everything has been fine. No jumping or anything, and the range stretches two rooms away.

One thing I wasn't prepared for was how much force is required to push the buttons. It's definitely more than I needed for my old basic Logitech optical mouse, but I'm getting used to it. Also, the scroll wheel seems to have "rough spots", ie it turns very loosely but then it snags up a bit or something. However, as I use it more it seems to be getting a little better.

DrEwe
Oct 30, 2004, 01:37 AM
It has been a few weeks now, and I am very happy with my mouse. The main determinate of good performance seems to be the surface on which I use it - the more reflective the surface the more it jumps. Wake up etc is at my expectation level - ie quick

kbonnel
Nov 2, 2004, 07:20 AM
It has been a few weeks now, and I am very happy with my mouse. The main determinate of good performance seems to be the surface on which I use it - the more reflective the surface the more it jumps. Wake up etc is at my expectation level - ie quick

I have been using my macmouse now for five days, and here are my thoughts. 1. I agree, the mouse will work great if you find the right mouse pad to use. I tried three different pads until I found one that didn't cause the pointer to jump around. The optical light seems to be very sensative. 2. For the price, I had hoped that build quality would be on par with Apples. I hate how the front buttons of the mouse aren't "connected" to the base. I have the habit of picking up the mouse a little to move it around, and it feels like the buttons are going to be pulled out. 3. I can't seem to find out how to perfectly wake it up. Sometimes it will wake up within a couple of seconds, and sometimes I have to really work at waking it up. :( 4. Finally, I go back to the build quality. Does anybody else hear something moving around when moving the mouse around? (fliping it back and forth). It is very weird. 5. I really like the size. It is, in my opinion, the right size and weight. As I said in the previous item, I like to move the mouse around, and other BT mice (other than the BT500) are huge and heavy.

Kimo

goodwill
Nov 2, 2004, 10:18 AM
I have the white bt mouse and I have to say I am pleasantly pleased. I however am having a hard time understanding the price and the quality of this thing. Like other statements regarding build quality, I see this as something that cost $2.50 to make and they are selling for 69.99 plus shipping. The design is nearly flawless and aesthetically pleasing, but the dollar signs in my head keep flashing up. I think for the price a nice logitech bt mouse at somepoint would clearly outshine this. The advantage is it is a two button apple mouse clone essentially. I have had trouble like earlier stated with the positioning of the "two" buttons. I have noticed where you click on the mouse is important as to it being a "strong" click. Wake up time has been a 6.6 out of 10 and as far as surface etc, I just use it on my wooden coffee table without a blip. The sensor hasnt skipped or jumped around. Overall I would give it a 7.4 out of 10.

Threnody
Nov 6, 2004, 05:49 PM
Does anybody else hear something moving around when moving the mouse around?
Yes! I definitely hear something moving around in there! Is anyone else experiencing "rough spots" with the scroll wheel?

Adam

kbonnel
Nov 6, 2004, 09:57 PM
Yes! I definitely hear something moving around in there! Is anyone else experiencing "rough spots" with the scroll wheel?

Adam

So far I don't notice a problem with the wheel, that seems to be fine. I have noticed that using the mouse is having an interesting effect on my wifi. For instance, sometimes I can hear a high pitched noise that my system makes when using wifi. When I use my mouse, specifically when I use the wheel the noise goes away. Very strange..

Kimo

kbonnel
Nov 11, 2004, 01:34 PM
Update:

Just thought I would give an update on my BT mouse. It seems my mouse has developed some weird issues. First, it sometimes will not wake up from sleep. I usually have to turn it off, then on, and it works. Lately, when I stop using my mouse, for a couple of seconds, I lose my bluetooth connection. The light is still on in the mouse but no movement. If I turn the mouse off then on it works again.

I changed out the batteries (hoping that is the problem). The original batteries were in there for maybe a total of 1 and a half weeks of work.

Kimo

nels0360
Nov 11, 2004, 02:00 PM
Update:

Just thought I would give an update on my BT mouse. It seems my mouse has developed some weird issues. First, it sometimes will not wake up from sleep. I usually have to turn it off, then on, and it works. Lately, when I stop using my mouse, for a couple of seconds, I lose my bluetooth connection. The light is still on in the mouse but no movement. If I turn the mouse off then on it works again.

I changed out the batteries (hoping that is the problem). The original batteries were in there for maybe a total of 1 and a half weeks of work.

Kimo

I was experiencing some problems as you were. I replaced my batteries and all was well again.

The cursor was becoming very jumpy before the batteries went.

mkrishnan
Nov 11, 2004, 02:16 PM
Like other statements regarding build quality, I see this as something that cost $2.50 to make and they are selling for 69.99 plus shipping.

$2.50, huh? Have you ever done a tooling amortization calculation? :rolleyes: It probably costs a lot more than that (also for the BT x-mitter), just by virtue of being low volume. And you do kinda realize you're paying a lot of money for the matching looks to your apple gear, right?

Hmmm...but anyway this is tempting....I don't use my Apple BT mouse because of getting used to being able to option click or corner tap my touchpad for Safari tabs....although it is fun to use a wireless mouse on the surface of the sofa and have it track reasonably well. :D

kbonnel
Nov 12, 2004, 06:43 AM
I was experiencing some problems as you were. I replaced my batteries and all was well again.

The cursor was becoming very jumpy before the batteries went.

Once I replaced the batteries, it started working great again. I guess the battery life isn't as good as I hoped.

Kimo

gekko513
Nov 12, 2004, 07:21 AM
Isn't it frustrating that Apple, who would be able to engineer a 2 button scroll wheel mouse properly, refuses to make it.

I want an Apple BT mouse with a scroll wheel :(

I do, however, think I understand Apple's motivation for keeping the 1 button design. I've noticed that older people (mostly 40+) who are not used to computers often press the wrong button and some even let go of the mouse, look at it and then press the left button with great seremony. These people would be better off with a one button mouse.

Then there's the effect on user interfaces. When there are more buttons available, developers are tempted to use the different buttons for different actions, which more times than not lead to unintuitive UI design. I'm not sure if having to use control keys on the keyboard is better, but I think the idea is that developers are encouraged to not include more than one function to one graphical element which in theory makes an easier UI to learn.

kbonnel
Nov 13, 2004, 08:32 AM
Well, I have moved back to my BT500 mouse, and emailed MacMouse about my issues. Two days after I replaced my batteries, I started having really bad cursor lag/jitter. I also started noticing the long wake up times :(

It has to be the mouse, as I can switch between my BT500 at the sametime as my Mouse BT without any problems.

I am bummed about this, but oh well.

Kimo

mfacey
Nov 15, 2004, 02:48 PM
Isn't it frustrating that Apple, who would be able to engineer a 2 button scroll wheel mouse properly, refuses to make it.

I want an Apple BT mouse with a scroll wheel :(

I do, however, think I understand Apple's motivation for keeping the 1 button design. I've noticed that older people (mostly 40+) who are not used to computers often press the wrong button and some even let go of the mouse, look at it and then press the left button with great seremony. These people would be better off with a one button mouse.

Then there's the effect on user interfaces. When there are more buttons available, developers are tempted to use the different buttons for different actions, which more times than not lead to unintuitive UI design. I'm not sure if having to use control keys on the keyboard is better, but I think the idea is that developers are encouraged to not include more than one function to one graphical element which in theory makes an easier UI to learn.


I don't care about people over the age of 40 who would have problems with 2 buttons. 97% of all computer users have a 2 button mouse as they are using windows. I can agree that a 1001 button mouse like those logitech things is excessive. I even lose track of what does what on those things. Besides, Apple needs to think about the future which is everybody who grew up in the internet age (so basically in the last 25 - 30 years) I'd say this is by far the largest group of "power users" at the moment.

I think if apple makes a simple 2 button + scroll wheel, plus maybe one or two user programmable buttons, they'd have a winner.
I'd bet Apple will do it sometime. I hope its sooner rather than later.

Was thinking about getting a Macmice BT btw. This thread made me change my mind. Thanks for the heads up guys!

Westside guy
Nov 15, 2004, 05:24 PM
I've noticed that older people (mostly 40+) who are not used to computers often press the wrong button and some even let go of the mouse, look at it and then press the left button with great seremony.

Hahahaha!!!

What are you, 12 years old or so? :D Personal computers have been around a tad bit longer than you seem to be aware, and it wasn't the kiddies of the late 70s and early 80s that were buying them.

I am 44, and occasionally I can pull my wits together enough to vaguely recall my college job writing software on one of the first personal computers that was widely available - Radio Shack's TRS-80. And you know what? We had a secretary who was over 60, and she was the one entering the data using the software I wrote.

Now if you'll excuse me, it's time for my nap.

mfacey
Nov 16, 2004, 01:40 AM
Fair enough, there are quite a few 40+ people that are competent as far as using computers goes. But the vast majority of people in that age group is completely useless at using computers.
I think that's what he's getting at.

JJMorgan123
Nov 18, 2004, 02:06 PM
i downloaded the firmware upgrader from apple, installed and used it. i also downloaded the bluetooth driver upgrade from apple. then after re-connecting the mouse i restarted my 15' PB and it works fine now!

kbonnel
Nov 18, 2004, 03:11 PM
i downloaded the firmware upgrader from apple, installed and used it. i also downloaded the bluetooth driver upgrade from apple. then after re-connecting the mouse i restarted my 15' PB and it works fine now!

Yea, I hoped that would have fixed my issues, but I was already at the latest :(

Kimo

efoto
Nov 18, 2004, 03:56 PM
Fair enough, there are quite a few 40+ people that are competent as far as using computers goes. But the vast majority of people in that age group is completely useless at using computers.
I think that's what he's getting at.

I think that 40 is a low number to start with for computer compitency. I would say that in today's current society, 55-60 is where there starts to be a disconnect of computer proficiency IMO. My father is not what I would call *good* at using his computer, but he knows how to do the basics (surfing, email, word excel etc, even games :p...although they are golf games, imagine that). He still pecks at the keys!!! I cannot even imagine that, but I recall being taught how to type back in middle school, with those crazy little horse-blinders (does anyone else know what I mean here) that prevented you from looking at your keys while you typed. Times are always changing, and the future generations are basically born into silicon to say the least. What kid (say 12-25) does not know how to use a cellphone? almost any computer?
Anyway, a little semi-vent I guess, although I fit in my own *kid* age category I made above, so what am I rantin about :) ?

MacWhispers
Nov 26, 2004, 12:03 AM
Problems aren't too surprising. Macmice's manufacturing parter, A4 Tech (http://www.a4tech.com/en/product1.asp?CID=1&SCID=5), don't have Bluetooth certification (if they did, they'd be trumpeting it and they aren't).

[Half expecting Jack to jump in here, I'll just say up front that oh yes they are A4 mice. It's A4's patented scroll wheel, and the corded version uses A4's copyrighted device drivers.]

1. Our The Mouse BT is a 100% in-house design, built under contract for us by a Taiwan partner. We have never had dealings with, nor have we ever had any contact whatsoever with this A4 Tech company you mention. I didn't even know they existed until I visited the link you posted.

2. We are proud that The Mouse BT is only 1 of 15 Bluetooth SIG certified products in the keyboard and mouse category: http://www.bluetooth.com/products/prods.details.asp?CPID=1402&CAT=13

3. The scroll wheel encoder in our mouse is our own design, and is not covered by any company's patent. It is a unique component only used in our products.

4. The free OS 9 and OS X drivers we offer for our The Mouse USB versions were developed specifically for our mice, under contract. They are not "copyright" by anyone but DVForge, Inc.

5. And yes, I have a well-earned reputation for "jumping in" on public forums where lies are being posted about our company or our products. Of course, the historical result of that has been that a wave of people seem to be predisposed to believe and repeat the juicy lies, and ignore the factual replies. Whatever... the web loves a good villain, even if he is completely fabricated to be such.

JasonL
Nov 26, 2004, 12:29 AM
Well, that's great. Any response to the other comments re: build quality, etc?

puckhead193
Nov 26, 2004, 12:59 AM
Why wont apple just give up on the one button mouse, and make a 3 button both USB and BT with an on/off swtich... and to save batteries it shouyld be rechrageable and give you 2 extra batteries so you always have ones that are ready to go..... that would save all this non-sence. :rolleyes:

I really want to use my bluetooth for something.. Since verizon won't make a bluetooth phone, and since i dont' have a palm polit, and since i have a laptop, i dont need a keyboard, all i want is normal bluetooth mouse!

Abstract
Nov 26, 2004, 03:58 AM
5. And yes, I have a well-earned reputation for "jumping in" on public forums where lies are being posted about our company or our products. Of course, the historical result of that has been that a wave of people seem to be predisposed to believe and repeat the juicy lies, and ignore the factual replies. Whatever... the web loves a good villain, even if he is completely fabricated to be such.

Good of you to join in. Its nice to know that someone at Macmice is paying attention to people's concerns and sorting out the facts from the crap. ;)

Now if you'll only get some of these issues sorted, that would be great. I'd buy this product in a heartbeat if there didn't seem to be so many small issues. I'm not going to play games on a BT mouse...... I just want something that works every day with no minor, pestering issues.

MacWhispers
Dec 5, 2004, 10:39 PM
Good of you to join in. Its nice to know that someone at Macmice is paying attention to people's concerns and sorting out the facts from the crap. ;)

Now if you'll only get some of these issues sorted, that would be great. I'd buy this product in a heartbeat if there didn't seem to be so many small issues. I'm not going to play games on a BT mouse...... I just want something that works every day with no minor, pestering issues.

Agreed, sir. And, we want exactly the same thing.

Anticipat3
Dec 13, 2004, 11:58 AM
Just posting on the forum without answering people's concerns isn't going to earn you any more buyers.

To Apple users, cheap build quality is a huge turnoff. Jumpiness in the cursor is a huge turnoff. Things rattling is a huge turnoff.

Frankly, these are not things that can be rebutted in a forum post, but the majority of people reading this thread, myself included, have been itching for a BT MacMouse for a long time -- but will not buy something cheaply made and finicky that sells for the same price as quality mice.

I'll continue to peter back and forth between my Apple BT mouse and my MX500, and my business is still up for grabs. I own a MX1000 that I use with my desktop, and I LOVE it. If I could get one that was bluetooth, I'd pick it up in a heartbeat, but I won't use an MX900 that has no off switch.

I'm very disappointed that the BT MacMouse is shoddy. I would have loved to have one if it was built well and reliable.

badtz
Dec 18, 2004, 06:59 AM
unfortunately, I"m in the same predicament as anticipat3!

:(

I would love to own one, but I'm afraid to put down the money and encounter the [above] problems :(

zagato27
Dec 18, 2004, 12:53 PM
......

I'll continue to peter back and forth between my Apple BT mouse and my MX500, and my business is still up for grabs. I own a MX1000 that I use with my desktop, and I LOVE it. If I could get one that was bluetooth, I'd pick it up in a heartbeat, but I won't use an MX900 that has no off switch.

I'm very disappointed that the BT MacMouse is shoddy. I would have loved to have one if it was built well and reliable.


I've been waivering on the MX1000 for my G5. Wishing that Logitech would come out with a BT version. I soooooo want to cut the cord. COME ON LOGITECH, SEE THE LIGHT, MAKE US :)

MacNeXT
Dec 18, 2004, 05:17 PM
I was looking for a BT mouse for my new iBook. The Apple one is great but has only one button, I dislike the MX900 looks and the Microsoft BT Explorer is kind of ok, but I haven't had the urge to spend the money for it.

However, I also read about the MacMice, and I wanted to check it out for myself. I read similar experiences like in this thread, some were very positive, were very negative. I tried to look at the thing as unprejudiced as possible, but I just couldn't seem to be comfortable with the piece of plastic I held in my hand in an Apple store. Its look, feel, weight... it makes a cheap impression on me. And for that money!

I told the Apple store guy, who gave me the mouse to try out, what I tought about it and he agreed immediately.

I'm sorry Mac Whispers, but for many of us, your product just isn't attractive. PC users might accept something like this, but Apple users expect something better.

sgtlmj
Dec 18, 2004, 09:14 PM
so, now that i've a bit more time with the macmice mouse, i have a few more comments...

- i find that it takes longer to "wake up" than the apple BT mouse. it probably adds up to a total of 10 more seconds, but it can be a bit maddening!

marianne

I've found that it wakes up much quicker if you spin the wheel than if you just click on a button.

manosira
Dec 19, 2004, 01:58 AM
Although I also have the BT Aluminum Mice I prefer my old Belkin BT mouse better. It was faster, better battery life, and didn't skip. But having said that I use teh Mac Mice one purly because of style not function.

zagato27
Dec 26, 2004, 03:57 PM
Xmas present: Best Buy gift certificate :) . Just picked up a Logitech MX1000 mouse. YIPPPPEEEEE!. I have been hunting for a mouse for my G5 w/bluetooth but just couldn't find a BT mouse to my liking. RadTech, too small. Logitech 900 not OSX supported....according to Logitech. I know, some of you have it and it is doing well but.... MX 1000, OSX compliant and cordless (relatively at least). Downloaded the latest LCC ver 1.4.1 and installed. Plugged everything in and its working. WOW, a scroll wheel that works! A left and right button that work! It's fast too. Feels pretty good grip wise. Best of all, my wife seems to like it (need I say "priceless" :D ) I'm sure that I'll learn a bit more as I go along but right now am in heaven. The hockey puck is going into storage. Cheers

johnbro23
Dec 26, 2004, 07:00 PM
I just got a white The Mouse BT to match my eMac without knowing about this thread, or any of the complaints you've been mentioning. I just found this thread today. But anyways. I've been using it for 2 days now, and it's been growing on me. The first time I used it, I thought exactly what some of you are saying. I'll go over some of my views of the mouse:

1. The mouse feels really cheap compared to the Apple mouse when I tried it out for the first time. After 2 days, however, I can hardly feel any difference between any other mouse.

2. The lifting of the clear part is unnoticable. I did notice it when I first used it, but its a non-issue. It moves about a millimeter, no biggie.

3. It does skip... occasionally. Enough to notice it, but not enough to make you mad. I'd say for every 5 hours of use, it will skip once. At least thats what I've noticed so far.

4. It does take a long time to wake up. Definitely not 10 seconds, more like 3. Thats still a long time, compared to the Apple mouse, which was less than a second.

5. It looks good. It matches my eMac perfectly.

The second button, scroll wheel, and the fact that it matches other Apple products make it worth buying.

johnbro23
Jan 6, 2005, 02:32 PM
The second button, scroll wheel, and the fact that it matches other Apple products make it worth buying.

I take that back. I posted that 2 days after I opened my The MouseBT. I had no idea how annoying the skipping really was. The mouse randomly loses connection, feels cheap, and most annoying of all, the cursor skips like all the time!

I emailed customer service at MacMice and they are giving me a full refund. I'm still $15 in the hole because of shipping. The thing is useless, so I have no chioce.

Why can't apple make a pro mouse with 2 buttons and a scroll wheel for god sakes?? :mad:

1macker1
Jan 6, 2005, 04:28 PM
I bought a MacMice BT mouse about 2 months ago. It feels fine to me, and I don't have any skipping problems. It takes about 3 secs to wake up.

The only complaints that i have is that the scroll wheel doesn't 'click' when scrolling. I'm just just to my scroll whell 'clicking'. Also, it's a battery hog. I bought a Apple wireless keyboard the same day I bought the mouse. I've changed the batteries out of the Mouse twice, and have yet to have to replace the batteries in the keyboard.

All in all, i like the mouse, and it looks good.

Piarco
Jan 13, 2005, 05:25 AM
After following this thread for quite a while, I still ended up getting a macmouse BT (al) from a forum member (cheers r6girl!) at an excellent price when held up against the prices in England.
As my expectations were rather low after reading the last 4 pages, I think I've been pleasently suprised! Connection not a problem, no lag I can see unless you make large quick movements, which I won't be on a 12" PB (but I can see why it would be no good for gaming), and wake up from sleep takes about 1-2sec.
It did skip after about 15min, but on putting in some new batteries, problem solved. Connection does seem to randomly disappear, but it always is reconnected instantly, so its only the "connection lost" icon that alerts me to it - otherwise I just wouldn't notice! I'm happy with the build quality (again probably due to low expectations) and the weight.
I am however, having to get use to having my hand in a different position to normal to avoid clicking both buttons, but I will get use to it.
On a final note, it bizarrely seems to be quicker than my Logitech Aluminium Laptop Mouse (USB).... really don't understand that....