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MikhailT
Jun 15, 2010, 09:16 PM
I was wondering if anybody notice any performance gains from 10.6.4 update? I saw some people reporting being able to max out their settings for their resolutions with good FPS, 330m and 9400m as well.



heaven
Jun 15, 2010, 10:49 PM
Nope. TF2 and Portal still run as horrendous as before. Was just forced to do a hard restart after trying it out :mad:

Well back to Bootcamp then..

REM314
Jun 15, 2010, 11:00 PM
Its made TF2 unplayable for me. This sucks.

0makol16
Jun 16, 2010, 12:58 AM
made TF2 run slightly better but ruined Counter Strike Source Beta.

Libertine Lush
Jun 16, 2010, 01:28 AM
Nothing at all. Hopefully with the next update, I'll be able to apply AA to my games, the last major setting left I haven't been able to enable in my games. I read either here or in the Steam forums, that 10.6.4 was already in the works by the time Valve started working closely with Apple, so 10.6.5 may see more meaningful progress, for more people.

DarkCloud2015
Jun 16, 2010, 01:37 AM
10.6.4 improved things a bit for me, from ~30 fps I'm now getting ~60 fps regularly, up to around 100 and sometimes higher (highest I was able to see was around 170). No anti-aliasing, even with 2x fps tanks to 15.

I'll post pics and specs later.

Libertine Lush
Jun 16, 2010, 01:42 AM
10.6.4 improved things a bit for me, from ~30 fps I'm now getting ~60 fps regularly, up to around 100 and sometimes higher (highest I was able to see was around 170).

Jesus--that's more than a bit! I am envious with hate.

DrDomVonDoom
Jun 16, 2010, 02:56 AM
I was actually gonna come on here and see if it ruined any one elses TF2 gameplay, after the new upgrade my game is all shoddy...it clips a bit now in outdoor maps. WTF....

Ace134blue
Jun 16, 2010, 03:03 AM
Seemed to help a tad, but not much. Fu**ing annoying how it crashes every hour though. Looked at log file and had to do with airport.

If you guys are laggy, i could give you a cfg and tweak it specifically to your system. Ive done it to my mid 2009 mbp and i have gained quite a bit of fps over just stock.
This is coming from a pc gamer >< :p

emdotdee
Jun 16, 2010, 04:08 AM
Half life 2 episode 1 worked smoother for me after the update but something else has messed up and i don't know if it's the update or if I have caused it.

Most of the onscreen images or HUD stuff has changed to characters, so the aim looks like a Q, when I pick up items such as health i get * and all my weapons have J K L M N P instead of images of the actual weapon. It's very strange, anyone else come across this?

roadbloc
Jun 16, 2010, 04:30 AM
Most of the onscreen images or HUD stuff has changed to characters, so the aim looks like a Q, when I pick up items such as health i get * and all my weapons have J K L M N P instead of images of the actual weapon. It's very strange, anyone else come across this?

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=923558&highlight=for+crosshair

Cabbit
Jun 16, 2010, 04:54 AM
For me theres now big improvement in the high end fps but the low end is much higher and there is no ware near as much jutteryness or slowdowns.

This is for both HL2 and Portal.

revanmj
Jun 16, 2010, 05:24 AM
It improved performance a little for me. And finally I can enable AA without a big slow down :)

DarkCloud2015
Jun 16, 2010, 10:23 AM
Jesus--that's more than a bit! I am envious with hate.

Still no anti-aliasing though, setting it even to 2x will tank fps rate to about 15. And I have an ATI 4850 :(

Cabbit
Jun 16, 2010, 11:14 AM
I wonder if the performance jumps where more for nvidia than ati. I seems the trend than the 9400m and newer nvidia parts got a some extra speed, it also seems the difference is not in the highest fps possible but in the lowest.

On my machine and a few friends(One a new macbook) we had stuttering when moving quickly and with things like liquid, fire and any occasion where sound would change suddenly(voices). Now the lowest end of the scale is much highest than it used to be with no or minimal stuttering and voice not adversely effecting gameplay.

Though as valve said no one promised that 10.6.4 would be the saviour of gaming, graphics improvements were promised and delivered with 10.6.3 but never promised for 10.6.4. Valve are saying however that they are working with Apple, ATi, and nVidia.

Thilomas
Jun 16, 2010, 11:53 AM
2008 MBP with 8600m chipset,Portal is noticeably slower after 10.6.4,input lag and stuttering that wasn't previously there...

Disappointing,I was hopeful after the reports on performance increases that things would improve,instead it's got worse :confused:

aiqw9182
Jun 16, 2010, 12:52 PM
No, it got worse. On my 4850 on 10.6.3 I was able to max out everything except for anti-aliasing in TF2 and get 60fps with the rare drop noticeable drop. In 10.6.4, it constantly dips down to 20FPS in a decent amount of action with the exact same video settings I was using in 10.6.3. Really disappointing.

EDIT: Turns out it was just a problem while playing with bots. The FPS was no better or worse in 10.6.4 while playing online.

lannister80
Jun 16, 2010, 02:58 PM
Guess I'll be holding off on that 10.6.4 update (flashed ATI 4870 here)

mixel
Jun 16, 2010, 04:18 PM
Seemed to get a bit better on my MBP 9600m. :) Seems much smoother at high texture levels .

DarkCloud2015
Jun 17, 2010, 12:53 PM
I stated before that 10.6.4 improved my fps rates (In Portal and HL2 anyway, haven't finished with TF2). I took some screenshots before and after upgrading, in certain areas where games usually lagged a bit for me. For Portal, the final area with GLaDOS. For HL2, when you get outside in chapter Point Insertion, looking at the Citadel.

My specs:
iMac i5 2.66 GHz
4 GB RAM
ATI Radeon HD 4850

My video settings:
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_TMGHY4jKLLA/TBpXGKgalMI/AAAAAAAAALA/4tsiqkBrcMQ/s400/video.png

Portal (10.6.3)

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_TMGHY4jKLLA/TBpUYQlDaeI/AAAAAAAAAK4/VrTmUabgczY/s1600/portal%20before.png (Full size (http://lh5.ggpht.com/_TMGHY4jKLLA/TBkIYL5f93I/AAAAAAAAAJg/YGWGGDLIlhk/s1600/portal%20before.png))

Portal (10.6.4)

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_TMGHY4jKLLA/TBpUX6VL5ZI/AAAAAAAAAK0/ls99soXKbeE/s1600/portal%20after.png (Full size (http://lh5.ggpht.com/_TMGHY4jKLLA/TBkIUjQBuaI/AAAAAAAAAJc/ReOOXBKtmPw/s1600/portal%20after.png))

This was looking up at GLaDOS. If I turned to the side, fps would go up to around 80. Having open portals would bring it down by 5-10 fps.


HL2 (10.6.3)

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_TMGHY4jKLLA/TBpUOA0wgCI/AAAAAAAAAKg/SzAaZnRIhYs/s1600/hl2%20before.png (Full size (http://lh6.ggpht.com/_TMGHY4jKLLA/TBkAbhoG2pI/AAAAAAAAAJA/gf5meAyOoZI/s1600/hl2%20before.png))

HL2 (10.6.4) First one, menu open; second one, menu closed. I noticed that the menu would bring fps down by around 5-10. Don't know if it's even relevant, but I just noticed it while taking these pics.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_TMGHY4jKLLA/TBpUN19gbcI/AAAAAAAAAKY/zYfTuNeQ0wM/s1600/hl2%20after%20menu.png (Full size (http://lh6.ggpht.com/_TMGHY4jKLLA/TBkAXCwc2fI/AAAAAAAAAI4/zTR_Lro1Kg4/s1600/hl2%20after%20menu.png))

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_TMGHY4jKLLA/TBpUOIXfHDI/AAAAAAAAAKc/6ev_nphTPWQ/s1600/hl2%20after%20nomenu.png (Full size (http://lh3.ggpht.com/_TMGHY4jKLLA/TBkAZf5cUyI/AAAAAAAAAI8/06OYXYnW1M8/s1600/hl2%20after%20nomenu.png))


Looking off to the side, the menu had a bigger impact (~15 fps)

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_TMGHY4jKLLA/TBpUOBbEJYI/AAAAAAAAAKk/GGTYL-qQv9A/s1600/hl2%20menu.png (Full size (http://lh4.ggpht.com/_TMGHY4jKLLA/TBkAd4Ezp2I/AAAAAAAAAJE/dT8dXd_AmTU/s1600/hl2%20menu.png))

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_TMGHY4jKLLA/TBpUXAJ8W5I/AAAAAAAAAKs/-hVAvrzChYo/s1600/hl2%20nomenu.png (Full size (http://lh3.ggpht.com/_TMGHY4jKLLA/TBkIQ5zmowI/AAAAAAAAAJU/LDHkgYOnzcE/s1600/hl2%20nomenu.png))


Highest fps I could get was around 180.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_TMGHY4jKLLA/TBpUXEoUcNI/AAAAAAAAAKw/4KEsnWdUCzc/s1600/hl2%20sky.png (Full size (http://lh6.ggpht.com/_TMGHY4jKLLA/TBkIS9sNBcI/AAAAAAAAAJY/VoTNVQIDYxM/s1600/hl2%20sky.png))


And just for fun, I set MSAA to x2. 10.6.4 was no help in this area.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_TMGHY4jKLLA/TBpUOfS0zVI/AAAAAAAAAKo/597Nas1p0KA/s1600/hl2%20msaax2.png (Full size (http://lh5.ggpht.com/_TMGHY4jKLLA/TBkAVGPDs7I/AAAAAAAAAI0/pwIy38cqZnY/s1600/hl2%20aax2.png))


So, 10.6.4 improved quite a bit, but antialiasing is still an issue. I still have to see how my performance changed in TF2, if at all.

MikhailT
Jun 17, 2010, 01:13 PM
....

Thanks for the report.

Just remember that 10.6.4 was packed before Steam was even released, we should expect to see more gains in 10.6.5/.6.

MyDesktopBroke
Jun 17, 2010, 03:00 PM
I was able to put AA to X4 on CoD4 on 800x600. It looks and runs great.

Haven't tried with higher rez yet, mainly because 800x600 looks perfect my my MBP to me.

Fiveos22
Jun 17, 2010, 03:05 PM
What's the problem with AA? I've been running my 3 ghz iMac on 4x AA on HL2, TF2, Portal with no problems. Any higher and I get black screen on start up and have to reboot the game is safe mode.

DarkCloud2015
Jun 17, 2010, 04:12 PM
What's the problem with AA? I've been running my 3 ghz iMac on 4x AA on HL2, TF2, Portal with no problems. Any higher and I get black screen on start up and have to reboot the game is safe mode.

I can't run AA at any higher than 2x, and even at that I'll get maybe ~30 fps in no actions scenes or small areas, with dips to 10-15 fps in larger areas o big action. 4x makes any Source game I have unplayable.

But I do have the luxury of running at native res with everything on high, so AA isn't a big issue for me. Also, I'm sure 10.6.5 and future Snow Leopard/Steam updates will probably fix things.

Ace134blue
Jun 17, 2010, 06:35 PM
I was able to put AA to X4 on CoD4 on 800x600. It looks and runs great.

Haven't tried with higher rez yet, mainly because 800x600 looks perfect my my MBP to me.

800by 600 looks HORRIBLE....

Libertine Lush
Jun 17, 2010, 08:39 PM
I was able to put AA to X4 on CoD4 on 800x600. It looks and runs great.

Haven't tried with higher rez yet, mainly because 800x600 looks perfect my my MBP to me.

From what I've read and my limited experience, it's best to first max the resolution, then apply AA, as a higher resolution will have a more significant impact on visuals than AA, especially when you're running at such an low resolution--very low! In COD4 (Mac version) for example, running at my native res (1680x1050) renders a hugely superior looking game than at a lower res with 4x AA. Of course that also means you'll have a much easier time spotting other players in multiplayer, as the tiny little dot that is their knee will appear clearly as that in sniper scope; meanwhile, at a lower res, it's harder to distinguish between knee and all the other similar textures in game. Since you haven't tried it, I urge you to. So long as you maintain an above 30+ fps, I'm confident you'll prefer the visuals.

MyDesktopBroke
Jun 17, 2010, 09:00 PM
From what I've read and my limited experience, it's best to first max the resolution, then apply AA, as a higher resolution will have a more significant impact on visuals than AA, especially when you're running at such an low resolution--very low! In COD4 (Mac version) for example, running at my native res (1680x1050) renders a hugely superior looking game than at a lower res with 4x AA. Of course that also means you'll have a much easier time spotting other players in multiplayer, as the tiny little dot that is their knee will appear clearly as that in sniper scope; meanwhile, at a lower res, it's harder to distinguish between knee and all the other similar textures in game. Since you haven't tried it, I urge you to. So long as you maintain an above 30+ fps, I'm confident you'll prefer the visuals.

Performance wise, AA usually is more of a strain though. That's what I was testing. For example, Halo is completely unplayable with any AA turn on, not matter how low the other settings are.

Libertine Lush
Jun 17, 2010, 09:06 PM
Performance wise, AA usually is more of a strain though. That's what I was testing. For example, Halo is completely unplayable with any AA turn on, not matter how low the other settings are.

Depends on how much of a resolution bump you're comparing AA to, but yes AA is usually a frame rate killer, more so at higher res. But I'm only speaking of visual quality. Since you said you're content with such an incredibly low resolution, I thought you may be pleased to find your system could possibly run at a higher res--and consequently, much better visuals.

mixel
Jun 17, 2010, 11:16 PM
It looks like ati cards in osX despise AA..? I run everything on mine with 2x or 4x msaa and it doesn't cause much of a fps drop. The 4850 running at 15fps with 2x AA is really wonky.

rbarris
Jun 18, 2010, 01:33 AM
It looks like ati cards in osX despise AA..? I run everything on mine with 2x or 4x msaa and it doesn't cause much of a fps drop. The 4850 running at 15fps with 2x AA is really wonky.

Known issue. We're working on this.

nlr
Jun 18, 2010, 01:38 AM
Does anyone know if theres another update coming soon to improve our gaming performance?

I'mAMac
Jun 18, 2010, 10:13 AM
The update really screwed my steam experience. Can't play TF2 for more than 2 minutes without it crashing :( back to bootcamp

mixel
Jun 18, 2010, 10:30 AM
Known issue. We're working on this.
Thats good news. I appreciate your hands on approach to the players concerns rbarris. I've never seen this from devs of high profile titles outside of their own official forums.

Big contrast to what we're used to from apple. XD

lannister80
Jun 18, 2010, 10:31 AM
I updated to 10.6.4 and TF2 seems to play the same as on 10.6.3. Mac Pro in my sig (XFX 4870 1GB flashed) with the following video settings (from the config file):

"videoconfig"
{
"AutoConfigVersion" "1"
"ScreenWidth" "1680"
"ScreenHeight" "1050"
"ScreenWindowed" "0"
"ScreenMSAA" "4"
"ScreenMSAAQuality" "0"
"MotionBlur" "0"
"ShadowDepthTexture" "1"
"ScreenMonitorGamma" "2.200000"
"mat_forceaniso" "2"
"mat_picmip" "0"
"mat_trilinear" "0"
"mat_vsync" "0"
"mat_forcehardwaresync" "1"
"mat_parallaxmap" "0"
"mat_reducefillrate" "0"
"r_shadowrendertotexture" "1"
"r_rootlod" "0"
"r_waterforceexpensive" "1"
"r_waterforcereflectentities" "1"
"mat_antialias" "2"
"mat_aaquality" "0"
"mat_specular" "1"
"mat_bumpmap" "1"
"mat_hdr_level" "2"
"mat_colorcorrection" "1"
"VendorID" "4098"
"DeviceID" "37952"
"DXLevel_V1" "90"
}

REM314
Jun 18, 2010, 11:32 AM
To everyone else: Something weird must have happened after the update because it works fine now. Albiet a tiny bit slower.

PandaOnslaught
Jun 18, 2010, 12:16 PM
I noticed slight FPS increase in WoW and Heroes of Newerth increased noticeably(5-10fps) i wasn't getting bad frames in either, but its more consistant now. anyone else get the same? im running the i5 15"MBP btw

PandaOnslaught
Jun 18, 2010, 12:18 PM
800by 600 looks HORRIBLE....
+1

What are you talking about dude? lol

Libertine Lush
Jun 18, 2010, 04:04 PM
Known issue. We're working on this.

Thank you for taking the time to inform us of what's happening at Valve.

dscuber9000
Jun 18, 2010, 04:48 PM
10.6.4 really improved Team Fortress 2 for me. It's playable now. I dont' have any before and after specs, but it's definitely a much better play now.

palebluedot
Jun 18, 2010, 06:52 PM
When do y'all think the minor glitches will be fixed? I am assuming a lot of it is issues with OS X/ Apple/NVIDIA/ATI and the substandard OGL 3.0 system compared to DX 9/10. I'm hoping that Valve is able to persuade Apple to put more work into drivers and gaming!

Example:

Ace134blue
Jun 18, 2010, 07:57 PM
I updated to 10.6.4 and TF2 seems to play the same as on 10.6.3. Mac Pro in my sig (XFX 4870 1GB flashed) with the following video settings (from the config file):

"videoconfig"
{
"AutoConfigVersion" "1"
"ScreenWidth" "1680"
"ScreenHeight" "1050"
"ScreenWindowed" "0"
"ScreenMSAA" "4"
"ScreenMSAAQuality" "0"
"MotionBlur" "0"
"ShadowDepthTexture" "1"
"ScreenMonitorGamma" "2.200000"
"mat_forceaniso" "2"
"mat_picmip" "0"
"mat_trilinear" "0"
"mat_vsync" "0"
"mat_forcehardwaresync" "1"
"mat_parallaxmap" "0"
"mat_reducefillrate" "0"
"r_shadowrendertotexture" "1"
"r_rootlod" "0"
"r_waterforceexpensive" "1"
"r_waterforcereflectentities" "1"
"mat_antialias" "2"
"mat_aaquality" "0"
"mat_specular" "1"
"mat_bumpmap" "1"
"mat_hdr_level" "2"
"mat_colorcorrection" "1"
"VendorID" "4098"
"DeviceID" "37952"
"DXLevel_V1" "90"
}

FYI, you dont quote the cmds... *cough*weak cfg file* cough*

Flash SWT
Jun 18, 2010, 11:50 PM
An FYI:
I just opened up Steam for the first time today, and after it updated, was greeted with a news item that there are known issues with 10.6.4 and nVidia cards. It advises to delay updating the OS until Apple has had time to create a fix.

.

Libertine Lush
Jun 18, 2010, 11:53 PM
An FYI:
I just opened up Steam for the first time today, and after it updated, was greeted with a news item that there are known issues with 10.6.4 and nVidia cards. It advises to delay updating the OS until Apple has had time to create a fix.

.

This message: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1314406

Unfortunately, the warning comes several days after the release of 10.6.4, so many people have already updated.

Miharu
Jun 19, 2010, 05:01 AM
This message: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1314406

Unfortunately, the warning comes several days after the release of 10.6.4, so many people have already updated.

:confused: And I thought this patch was supposed to improve graphics drivers... Already updated before seeing that message.

mixel
Jun 19, 2010, 08:08 AM
:confused: And I thought this patch was supposed to improve graphics drivers... Already updated before seeing that message.
It doesn't seem to have hit everyone anyway.. I'm using nvidia cards and its been fine. :)

maccompaq
Jun 19, 2010, 11:22 AM
Updating from 10.6.2 to 10.6.4 has improved my Geekbench score by 300 points on my home-made Core i7 computer. From 10.6.0 to 10.6.4 showed a Geekbench improvement of 1800 points.

The only game I play is X-Plane 9, but I use it to keep flying skills current rather than as a game. Graphics is a Nvidia GeForce GTS 250 with 1 gig GDDR3 memory.

Flying a Mig 21 at 500 mph at 400 feet over Miami with all X-Plane settings at the highest, I was not able to bog the computer down lower than 30 fps on 10.6.4. Using the same computer on 10.6.2, I could bog it down to 19 fps with the same plane and settings. But even at 19 fps, performance is good. After moving beyond the high population area, fps jumped to 150-312 fps.

lannister80
Jun 19, 2010, 12:58 PM
FYI, you dont quote the cmds... *cough*weak cfg file* cough*
That's what the file looked like when I opened it. Tell Valve they're not supposed to be quoted.

archurban
Jun 20, 2010, 12:26 AM
I think that mac hardware is decent. running game is actually not optimized for mac. I think that Apple should develop some special acceleration plug in just like derectX from MS. open GL is not connected with gaming performance at all. if Apple wouldn't do something better, no matter how you have high end hardware, gaming experience is still sucks. it's all about codes.

maghemi
Jun 20, 2010, 12:59 AM
This is crap. it was running buttery smooth unnder 10.6.3
It's now running like crap under 10.6.4

I have a mac pro with a GTX285 and am getting less than 20FPS at 2560x1600 where as before I was getting over 70fps

*edit* I've just tried 4 different games.

All the same effect. Used to run great. Now runs *****.

Not happy jan

Sambo110
Jun 20, 2010, 01:20 AM
This is crap. it was running buttery smooth unnder 10.6.3
It's now running like crap under 10.6.4

I have a mac pro with a GTX285 and am getting less than 20FPS at 2560x1600 where as before I was getting over 70fps

*edit* I've just tried 4 different games.

All the same effect. Used to run great. Now runs *****.

Not happy jan

There's an update for the 285 for better compatibility under 10.6.4, maybe you should download it? I know it's on Nvidia's site somewhere.

maghemi
Jun 20, 2010, 01:49 AM
There's an update for the 285 for better compatibility under 10.6.4, maybe you should download it? I know it's on Nvidia's site somewhere.

Really? The only drivers I can find on either the nvidia site or the evga site are both from mid 2009.

aiqw9182
Jun 20, 2010, 12:34 PM
This is crap. it was running buttery smooth unnder 10.6.3
It's now running like crap under 10.6.4

I have a mac pro with a GTX285 and am getting less than 20FPS at 2560x1600 where as before I was getting over 70fps

*edit* I've just tried 4 different games.

All the same effect. Used to run great. Now runs *****.

Not happy jan

For one, make sure you aren't playing with bots as they are very CPU intensive and will make the game run slow no matter what graphical settings you are on.

Also, do the following:
Open Steam > Go to game library > select details view > right click any source game > select properties > set launch options and add the following line

+gl_bufmode 1 +gl_texclientstorage 1

I suggest everyone do this, not just those with Nvidia GPU's.

MikhailT
Jun 20, 2010, 12:53 PM
For one, make sure you aren't playing with bots as they are very CPU intensive and will make the game run slow no matter what graphical settings you are on.

Also, do the following:
Open Steam > Go to game library > select details view > right click any source game > select properties > set launch options and add the following line

+gl_bufmode 1 +gl_texclientstorage 1

I suggest everyone do this, not just those with Nvidia GPU's.

Can you tell us what those do?

aiqw9182
Jun 20, 2010, 12:57 PM
Can you tell us what those do?

gl_bufmode:
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15515441&postcount=64

gl_textclientstorage:
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15510175&postcount=2

The first one has been noted as increasing people's FPS as much as 20. The second one has been reported as smoothing things out a lot(because you won't be getting as many page outs, if at all).

Venkman90
Jun 20, 2010, 01:40 PM
So 10.6.4 is for Snow Leopard only? so those of us on 10.5.8 (late 2008 macbook) who have not bothered with Snow Leopard are left behind I take it...?

aiqw9182
Jun 20, 2010, 01:44 PM
So 10.6.4 is for Snow Leopard only? so those of us on 10.5.8 (late 2008 macbook) who have not bothered with Snow Leopard are left behind I take it...?

Err... 10.6 is Snow Leopard and 10.5 is Leopard... so yes... 10.6.4 is Snow Leopard only...

mixel
Jun 20, 2010, 03:04 PM
So 10.6.4 is for Snow Leopard only? so those of us on 10.5.8 (late 2008 macbook) who have not bothered with Snow Leopard are left behind I take it...?
Surprised that the train leaves without you when you didn't even go to the station?
SL is so cheap and most of the improvements are performance related. Why has anyone held off on this particular update?

Flash SWT
Jun 20, 2010, 03:41 PM
Surprised that the train leaves without you when you didn't even go to the station?
SL is so cheap and most of the improvements are performance related. Why has anyone held off on this particular update?

This was recently brought up in this thread:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=937438

There are some of us who use our machines primarily for "work" and only game as a hobby. For me personally there is a single Apple bug that effects my primary photo editing application that has kept me from moving to 10.6. It is a simple bug (which makes it frustrating that Apple hasn't fixed it yet) but creates complications when I'm editing on deadline.

As nice as it would be to upgrade for better gaming performance I have to give priority to paying the bills.

.

ScottishDuck
Jun 20, 2010, 03:52 PM
Really? The only drivers I can find on either the nvidia site or the evga site are both from mid 2009.

http://uk.download.nvidia.com/Mac/19.5.8f03/19.5.8f03.dmg

JonBorichef
Jun 20, 2010, 03:56 PM
What happened to me is really wierd. I turned on Halo and my cooling fans maxed out at 4500 RPM. :mad::confused::mad:

aiqw9182
Jun 20, 2010, 04:02 PM
This was recently brought up in this thread:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=937438

There are some of us who use our machines primarily for "work" and only game as a hobby. For me personally there is a single Apple bug that effects my primary photo editing application that has kept me from moving to 10.6. It is a simply bug (which makes it frustrating that Apple hasn't fixed it yet) but creates complications when I'm editing on deadline.

As nice as it would be to upgrade for better gaming performance I have to give priority to paying the bills.

.

What photo editing application is that, and what makes you think Apple needs to fix it opposed to the software creator?

mixel
Jun 20, 2010, 04:32 PM
This was recently brought up in this thread:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=937438

There are some of us who use our machines primarily for "work" and only game as a hobby. For me personally there is a single Apple bug that effects my primary photo editing application that has kept me from moving to 10.6. It is a simply bug (which makes it frustrating that Apple hasn't fixed it yet) but creates complications when I'm editing on deadline.

As nice as it would be to upgrade for better gaming performance I have to give priority to paying the bills.

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Hehe. Originally I had a clause covering people with specific bugs/issues like you, but i deleted it as I didn't think I'd be called out on it and its more of an effective statement without it. Oops. Seriously, everyone without a good reason not to upgrade really *should do*. The guy i was replying to said "So 10.6.4 is for Snow Leopard only? so those of us on 10.5.8 (late 2008 macbook) who have not bothered with Snow Leopard are left behind I take itů?"

"Have not bothered" implied to me that they just didn't get around to it. "Can't upgrade to" would imply there was a good explanation for it.

Flash SWT
Jun 20, 2010, 04:59 PM
What photo editing application is that, and what makes you think Apple needs to fix it opposed to the software creator?

Oh here we go again. The application is Photo Mechanic and the bug is related to modal dialogs. The original Apple bug number is: 7226720

Hehe. Originally I had a clause covering people with specific bugs/issues like you, but i deleted it as I didn't think I'd be called out on it and its more of an effective statement without it. Oops. Seriously, everyone without a good reason not to upgrade really *should do*. The guy i was replying to said "So 10.6.4 is for Snow Leopard only? so those of us on 10.5.8 (late 2008 macbook) who have not bothered with Snow Leopard are left behind I take itů?"

"Have not bothered" implied to me that they just didn't get around to it. "Can't upgrade to" would imply there was a good explanation for it.

No you're right mixel, "have not bothered" is definitely in a different class then "specifically can't." I agree 100% with you, those who are not waiting for a particular compatibility reason have no excuse not to spend the $29 and upgrade.

I would like to see video driver updates to 10.5 for those in my situation but at the same time completely understand why Apple wants to focus solely on the current shipping version and there is nothing wrong with that.

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aiqw9182
Jun 20, 2010, 05:08 PM
Oh here we go again. The application is Photo Mechanic and the bug is related to modal dialogs. The original Apple bug number is: 7226720


Just googled it and found the bug that pertains to is a spell check error that sometimes misses misspelled words. Must really set your world on fire.

Flash SWT
Jun 20, 2010, 05:53 PM
Just googled it and found the bug that pertains to is a spell check error that sometimes misses misspelled words. Must really set your world on fire.

Man what is with you today? Let's make a deal here, unless you're a working photojournalist please don't assume you have any clue about my job functions. I'll do the same for whatever your profession is.

Yes it is a spell check bug that misses every single misspelled word unless you manually start the "Check Document Now" process. As I stated above it is a "simple" bug. However the behavior worked correctly in previous OS X versions so excuse me for expecting it to work in 10.6 and being annoyed at Apple for continuing to ignore it now that we're all the way to 10.6.4.

The simple facts are that it is an Apple bug (not related to any single program) and when I'm filing on deadline I don't have time to worry about it, I need things to "just work" like us Mac fans are used to saying.

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Protonk
Jun 20, 2010, 05:58 PM
No difference for me. I wonder if any intrepid folks willing to look at changed files could tell us if apple actually pushed a driver update. I see lots of folks claiming 0-10 fps increases which to me seems well within the realm of noise.

aiqw9182
Jun 20, 2010, 06:09 PM
Man what is with you today? Let's make a deal here, unless you're a working photojournalist please don't assume you have any clue about my job functions. I'll do the same for whatever your profession is.

Yes it is a spell check bug that misses every single misspelled word unless you manually start the "Check Document Now" process. As I stated above it is a "simple" bug. However the behavior worked correctly in previous OS X versions so excuse me for expecting it to work in 10.6 and being annoyed at Apple for continuing to ignore it now that we're all the way to 10.6.4.

The simple facts are that it is an Apple bug (not related to any single program) and when I'm filing on deadline I don't have time to worry about it, I need things to "just work" like us Mac fans are used to saying.

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I just find it rather odd that a spell check bug is holding you back from upgrading. If the entire application didn't work then sure, no way would I recommend upgrading. But for a problem as minuscule as that(that you still have ways of accessing, mind you, just not as easily) I really can't see the hold up.

Libertine Lush
Jun 20, 2010, 09:33 PM
gl_bufmode:
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15515441&postcount=64

Thanks for the link. Gave it a try, but no affect on i7 MBP.

bli625
Jun 20, 2010, 09:44 PM
I just find it rather odd that a spell check bug is holding you back from upgrading. If the entire application didn't work then sure, no way would I recommend upgrading. But for a problem as minuscule as that(that you still have ways of accessing, mind you, just not as easily) I really can't see the hold up.

If he's not upgrading, he clearly has his reasons.. it's that simple. It doesn't matter if you can't see the hold up. Not your problem at all.

aiqw9182
Jun 20, 2010, 09:52 PM
If he's not upgrading, he clearly has his reasons.. it's that simple. It doesn't matter if you can't see the hold up. Not your problem at all.

This is a forum. He posts, I can reply. I said I found it odd that someone would not upgrade for as small of a problem that he has with it. No need to get your panties in a bunch.

wsippel
Jun 21, 2010, 02:39 AM
It certainly helped on my iMac 7,1. Better performance, less glitches.

Venkman90
Jun 21, 2010, 03:58 AM
I didn't upgrade as I am new to OSX / macs and didn't really understand what SL was, I assumed it was like going from Win7 Home to Ultimate and didn't even know how cheap it was.

That said I am going to grab it this week.

Libertine Lush
Jun 21, 2010, 04:17 AM
I didn't upgrade as I am new to OSX / macs and didn't really understand what SL was, I assumed it was like going from Win7 Home to Ultimate and didn't even know how cheap it was.

That said I am going to grab it this week.

You'll find it very worthwhile. Performance improvements, freed up HDD space, and, while these weren't touted much, useful new features added.

johnalan
Jun 21, 2010, 04:26 AM
Performance is abysmal, cannot believe this stuff gets through QA.

have a clean 10.6.4 install on the latest MacBook Pro with 330m.

Must be addressed.

maghemi
Jun 21, 2010, 05:27 AM
For one, make sure you aren't playing with bots as they are very CPU intensive and will make the game run slow no matter what graphical settings you are on.

Also, do the following:
Open Steam > Go to game library > select details view > right click any source game > select properties > set launch options and add the following line

+gl_bufmode 1 +gl_texclientstorage 1

I suggest everyone do this, not just those with Nvidia GPU's.

Ok. for one, No Bots. Secondly. If as I said it was running perfectly on 10.6.3, and the ONLY thing that was changed was 10.6.4 and it ran crap. Even if I were running bots and it was fine before and not fine after. It still makes that one change the fault does it not?

*edit*

either way. I've gone back to 10.6.3 until apple can assure me they've sorted it out.

Benjones-KY
Jun 21, 2010, 09:08 AM
Hurt my FPS a lot in TF2. When I updated steam there was even a notice from Valve saying do not upgrade to 10.6.4 because a lot of people were reporting issues with gaming and that Apple and nVidia are working on a solution.

aiqw9182
Jun 21, 2010, 01:00 PM
Ok. for one, No Bots. Secondly. If as I said it was running perfectly on 10.6.3, and the ONLY thing that was changed was 10.6.4 and it ran crap. Even if I were running bots and it was fine before and not fine after. It still makes that one change the fault does it not?

*edit*

either way. I've gone back to 10.6.3 until apple can assure me they've sorted it out.

Err, no one here is arguing that the performance is better/the same on 10.6.4, the only GPU's that haven't been affected are those with ATI GPU's. I was just giving you a fix if you wanted to stick with the latest OS version so calm down and appreciate the help.