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jackieonasses
Oct 24, 2004, 01:53 AM
How many of you watched SNL tonight? did you notice that on the second song she sang she had the mike right down by her waist and was dancing and the previous song she sang (apparently on a recording) started playing. so she literally ran off the stage and it went to the commercial! She came back on and she apologized saying it was the bands fault for "playing the wrong song"! how crazy is that?

Did any of you guys see that?



STITCHES
Oct 24, 2004, 01:56 AM
I didn't, but now I wish I had. Anybody record it?

Durandal7
Oct 24, 2004, 02:02 AM
I saw it. Oops. I suppose if you're going to lip sync you should know when the recording starts. Was it just me, or did it look like the guy playing guitar was laughing at her?

We just need this to happen to all those other MTV manufactured "artists" so they can be taken down a notch.

iMeowbot
Oct 24, 2004, 02:08 AM
I see there are already Milli Vanilli comments showing up on her web site's message board. :rolleyes:

Edit: They've been doing some clean up, so just try http://www.ashleesimpsonmusic.com and click around.

Also, http://www.lipsync.us for all your lip sync news!

jsupetran
Oct 24, 2004, 02:23 AM
Here are the links: AH the beauty of the internet...

http://www.sherlockholmesarmy.org/ashlee_snl.wmv

or if that doesn't work...

http://webpages.charter.net/dan-doug/haha.avi

and another just incase lol

http://www.siscom.net/~petreman/lipsync.avi

homerjward
Oct 24, 2004, 02:24 AM
i saw it, but i was also browsing mr so i didnt fully get what was going on. that's hilarious, although im not a big fan of her anyway.

MacNut
Oct 24, 2004, 02:38 AM
It was a stupid mistake, or was it, ;) they played the wrong song. I don't understand how a "live" band can play the same song twice.

themadchemist
Oct 24, 2004, 02:42 AM
As someone else said, the band really seems to have gotten a kick out of it. I don't know whether this clip is more humorous than the incoherent fangirl posts on her message board, though.

virividox
Oct 24, 2004, 02:44 AM
hahaha another pop star bites the dust; but that doesnt stop bem from beeing popular

BakedBeans
Oct 24, 2004, 02:51 AM
why the hell did she start jumping and clicking her heals together... lol that was ridiculous... she looked like something out of mary popins or singing in the rain

dotnina
Oct 24, 2004, 02:57 AM
Wow ... that is blatant lip-synching.

I love her reaction though ... hilarious ... she looks behind her, looks around, and just kinda, dances uncomfortably.

Kinda sad, but funny. :p

scem0
Oct 24, 2004, 03:06 AM
I want to feel bad for her... I really do.

But I can't because she was asking for it. From day one she made herself out to be less superficial than her sister - her sister who is the reason for her success. However, Jessica has turned out to be a very candid individual. On her show she has proven to be very honest, and comfortable in her own skin (however ditzy that may be). In her performances she has shown lots of talent. Ashlee, on her show, has tried to create an image for herself. I don't think she has been very honest about this 'punk' persona she has created. I can't wait to watch the episode of her show where they play the Sat. Night Live thing. Well, I forsee them leaving that out ;). And the worst part is that she tried to cover it up! She should have just said 'Sorry' and sang the damn song. Not gotten the correct tape playing - she should have sang the song. To run off the stage is childish enough, but to then blame your band is just blatant immaturity.

The more I think about it, the more it makes me sick. Ashlee tried to have an attitude. She tried to be 'raw'. If you want 'raw' music, listen to Lauryn Hill's Unplugged album. Doesn't get more real, or 'raw' than that.

C'mon Ashlee - your sister may not be the brightest ever, but you can learn a thing or two from her. It pays to be honest. Obviously, if your career is an act then it will be a short one, because mistakes are inevitable.

I hope the pop world has no pity on you, I sure won't - you don't deserve it.

scem0

ocellnuri
Oct 24, 2004, 03:10 AM
Is everyone surprised? Every "Pop" performance I've seen on TV is synced. I always get a kick out of the Grammy's and MTV Awards shows when they have "Live Performances". Also, the Superbowl Halftime shows or Christmas Parades where it's pretty obvious everyone's lipsyncing. So someone screws up and everyone yells fraud? Every performance I've ever happened to see Spears do was synced, and I've never heard her criticsized for it.

I think it's pretty funny this happened, especially after they hyped the show up so much. I just hope people aren't honestly surprised by this. :D

scem0
Oct 24, 2004, 03:56 AM
well, I am kind of surprised, being that all the performances I have seen from Ashlee's show were not synced.

But, no, it wasn't a huge surprise. Everyone knew and still knows Ashlee can't sing for her life - much less her career.

scem0

munkle
Oct 24, 2004, 04:56 AM
why the hell did she start jumping and clicking her heals together... lol that was ridiculous... she looked like something out of mary popins or singing in the rain

The CollegeHumor clip where they set it to the Benny Hill theme tune was hilarious! :D

Counterfit
Oct 24, 2004, 05:00 AM
Is everyone surprised? Every "Pop" performance I've seen on TV is synced. I always get a kick out of the Grammy's and MTV Awards shows when they have "Live Performances". I think it was an MTV awards show I watched once, where Mya and whoever she worked with on the song performed "Ghetto Superstar". It certainly wasn't synced, as it kind of fell apart halfway through. I think someone forgot to sing their verse ;)

Of course, this all just gives me yet another reason to not like the little "punk" (HA!) bitch.

solvs
Oct 24, 2004, 06:36 AM
I wondered what that was. She looked really embarrassed at the end. It's one thing to lip-sync, but this...

I'm reminded of a show I saw, where they were showing her recording her album. She was just blowing it, sounding terrible. She stops it and says she hates the song because it sucks. The commentator stops the footage and says something sarcastic about how they're sure it's the songs fault and not the fact that she can't sing. I wish I could remember what show that was on. It was pretty funny.

deral
Oct 24, 2004, 06:43 AM
I'm reminded of a show I saw, where they were showing her recording her album. She was just blowing it, sounding terrible. She stops it and says she hates the song because it sucks. The commentator stops the footage and says something sarcastic about how they're sure it's the songs fault and not the fact that she can't sing. I wish I could remember what show that was on. It was pretty funny.

the ashlee simpson show on mtv. I guess I'll be the sympathy person for ashlee. At least she made people laugh.

applemacdude
Oct 24, 2004, 11:58 AM
She looked so pathetic

STITCHES
Oct 24, 2004, 11:59 AM
Here are the links: AH the beauty of the internet...

http://www.sherlockholmesarmy.org/ashlee_snl.wmv

or if that doesn't work...

http://webpages.charter.net/dan-doug/haha.avi

and another just incase lol

http://www.siscom.net/~petreman/lipsync.avi
Ahahahaha, good stuff, good stuff. Maybe she did something to the band they didnt like. Thanks, jsupetran. :)

Doctor Q
Oct 24, 2004, 12:08 PM
Another avi link: http://webpages.charter.net/dan-doug/haha.avi

I thought she sang her first song with no energy or excitement. That was lip synced too, right? She moved on stage only forward and backward like she was stuck in a track on the stage. If you aren't really singing live, shouldn't you have even more energy to dance and move around?

If the band was really "playing the wrong song", why didn't she stop them and tell them to start the right song? Explain that, Ashlee.

Edit: Found a doctored movie: http://onetrick.net/Ashlee_Sax.mpg

Edit edit: Now moved to http://media.ebaumsworld.com/index.php?e=eb_ashlee_sax.wmv

Capt Underpants
Oct 24, 2004, 12:38 PM
None of the .avi movies work for me. Have any ides why?

Doctor Q
Oct 24, 2004, 12:39 PM
This isn't the first time.

Gossip story (http://www.abstracts.net/jessica-simpson/2003-11.html) from November 2003:

C.J. of the Minneapolis Star Tribune has details behind Jessica Simpson's performance on Tuesday night at Clear Channel's party for its new St. Louis Park facilities. JoDee Messina and Montgomery Gentry performed at the event as well, though some tell her that Simpson was lip-syncing.

Doctor Q
Oct 24, 2004, 01:10 PM
MTV report (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1492961/20041022/simpson_ashlee.jhtml) before the show:

Despite her extra acting duties, as far as pulling off the show goes, Ashlee said that she feels really "comfortable and confident". ... Most of all, Simpson said, she's just really excited to be doing the show after watching it for so many years. "It's just really cool, just even to be on the set. I can't wait."
Undoctored video of her second performance (MPG, 10MB): http://homepages.wmich.edu/~m1hjjaap/snloops.mpg

Audio of 2nd performance and ending "apology" (WMV, 7MB): https://home.comcast.net/%7Emr.mojo/Oops.wmv

Lip-syncing is bad enough, but blaming it on the band instead of being honest about the mistake is pretty low.

cluthz
Oct 24, 2004, 01:13 PM
None of the .avi movies work for me. Have any ides why?

Tried with VLC?

Kwyjibo
Oct 24, 2004, 01:27 PM
Hey DOC you're really getting into this aren't you?

I find it extremely hilarious, especially the collegehumor version

Mechcozmo
Oct 24, 2004, 01:48 PM
I'll stick to Oingo Boingo and Pink Floyd if ya don't mind. Led Zeppelin too.

:)

I hope that no one actually believes her and blames the band, though.

Apple Hobo
Oct 24, 2004, 01:53 PM
Is there a good technical reason why "artists" do this sync stuff? Or are they just a bunch of no-talent asshats like I suspect they are?

3rdpath
Oct 24, 2004, 02:09 PM
obviously the drummer f'd up and started the wrong sequence but why oh why didn't the band just stop and restart the correct song? it certainly couldn't have been any worse... so unprofessional not to have an established back-up plan because this stuff does happen...dancing a jig isn't really a plan in my book. and slumping off stage is just plain wrong.

i'm very much against lip synching and pretty much the whole crappy cut and paste auto-tune music world we live in( and i work in...) but there are really 2 issues going on here: lip synching AND a major band screw-up.

that drummer will be back working at guitar center on monday...and sadly, ashlee and all the other semi-vocalsts will still have careers.

fwiw, a friend of mine produced another of the current young-no-talent-pop-divas and almost lost his mind trying to make her vox sound at least kinda-believable. her album's already gone platinum...go figure.

Mike Teezie
Oct 24, 2004, 02:45 PM
Is there a good technical reason why "artists" do this sync stuff? Or are they just a bunch of no-talent asshats like I suspect they are?

As far as the "diva" thing is concerned, this is for the most part accurate. Like or don't like her (I don't), Christina Aguliera is super talented.

Spears is probably the worst, imho.

As a young musician(22), I think the whole pop scene is terribly lame. Just too contrived and formulaic to say anything of substance. There are som really, really great bands out there, but Ashlee Simpson, a lip syncher, gets the SNL gigs.

themadchemist
Oct 24, 2004, 04:10 PM
Ashlee Simpson, you are a twice-used douche.

cr2sh
Oct 24, 2004, 04:45 PM
She is really unattractive... and talentless... jeez.

Funny. I wonder if she is really SO BAD at singing that there was no choice for the band but to play the song because they didn't know if they could get the tape straightened out...

pseudobrit
Oct 24, 2004, 05:01 PM
I wonder if she is really SO BAD at singing that there was no choice for the band but to play the song because they didn't know if they could get the tape straightened out...

No one's put the onus on the band.

Perhaps their "performance" was on a tape track also.

Counterfit
Oct 24, 2004, 05:57 PM
Perhaps their "performance" was on a tape track also. If it was, they did a much better job syncing than she did ;) :D

cr2sh
Oct 24, 2004, 06:02 PM
It looked like the band was actually playing, they started playing and the tape of a good singer got screwed up. If the band stopped, and started playing the correct song - there would be no way of knowing if the tape was in the correct position. So what then? Would she just stand there and embarace herself more by not "singing"? And if the tape was in the wrong place again, what would be her excuse?

I dunno.. that's just the way it looked to me.

:D

scem0
Oct 24, 2004, 06:10 PM
As far as the "diva" thing is concerned, this is for the most part accurate. Like or don't like her (I don't), Christina Aguliera is super talented.

Yeah, I think a lot of pop stars get a bad rap that they don't deserve.

Does Ashlee Simpson deserve all the comments about having no talent? Yes.

Does Christina Aguilera? No. Does Mariah Carey? No.

Does Brittney Spears? Kind of. She is a great performer, whether you like to admit it or not. She has talent at not only dancing, but at entertaining. She can put on a show, and that's what she does. Talented at singing? No. However if you look at the tapes Brittney sent to Jive records to get her record deal, she didn't sound half-bad. I think she should quit lip syncing personally, on non-dance tracks at least.

But, anyways, the pop scene is full of talent. The music may not be that good, but the singing can be (Christina, Mariah, Jessica, and even Jojo at the tender age of 13 :p ), and the entertainment value is always high.

scem0

zyuzin4
Oct 24, 2004, 06:17 PM
The west coast feed of SNL cut out the audio slip up. They just made it look like she was confused about the song.

LethalWolfe
Oct 24, 2004, 06:22 PM
Talented at singing? No. However if you look at the tapes Brittney sent to Jive records to get her record deal, she didn't sound half-bad.

scem0

This I have to disagree with. On "behind the music" or some such show on Britany they showed some of her perfomances on Star Search and other talent shows and the girl has some pipes. She just doesn't use them for the forgetable, pop crap that she sings.


pseudobrit,
I doubt the band's performance was taped for 2 reasons. 1. It doesn't make sense to have the band and the vox on two seperate recordings (it would making syncing that much harder) and 2. it's not like that thoughtless pop crap is technically difficult in any way.

I'm actually surprised that the whole thing just wasn't taped, instead of just the vocals. Seems like playing back the entire song would be eaiser than playing back the vocals as the band plays live.


Lethal

Phat_Pat
Oct 24, 2004, 06:24 PM
The west coast feed of SNL cut out the audio slip up. They just made it look like she was confused about the song.
Yeah i was a little confused on why everyone said she screwed up.... i thought they were doing one of those right before comercial cuts like they used to do on the old epiosodes (you know they would show the band playing and slap the SNL logo in the corner)

ha but those videos make me laugh... she apoligied for the band but really she should be apoligizing for the audio guy playing the "wrong" song...

and the band laughing... i think they was more embarrased then humored

Doctor Q
Oct 24, 2004, 06:27 PM
OK, now I'm mad. Blame Ashlee. Blame the band. Blame SNL. But don't blame the computer. Computers do what they are told!

From ABC entertainment news (http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=193922):

Simpson had performed her hit single "Pieces of Me" without incident earlier in the show. When she came back a second time, her band started playing and the first lines of her singing "Pieces of Me" could be heard again. She looked momentarily confused as the band plowed ahead with the song and the vocal was quickly silenced. Simpson made some exaggerated hopping dance moves, then walked off the stage 35 seconds into the performance. NBC quickly cut to a commercial. ...

Her record company, Geffen Records, said there was a computer glitch. Instead of some pretaped electronic percussion, the recording of "Pieces of Me" started mistakenly performing, the record company said in a statement.

But it sounded suspiciously like a guide vocal that's a common although almost always unspoken concert aid. Either the singer "lip synchs" by mouthing words to a backing tape or has a live microphone and sings along to the tape, making the voice sound more powerful than it is. Such vocal tricks have been used before on the show, making "Saturday Night Live" not entirely live, said a show insider who spoke on condition of anonymity.

jsw
Oct 24, 2004, 06:33 PM
fwiw, a friend of mine produced another of the current young-no-talent-pop-divas and almost lost his mind trying to make her vox sound at least kinda-believable. her album's already gone platinum...go figure.The sad thing is that the details you give aren't enough to pin down the "artist". Hmmm. Female. Young. No talent. Platinum. I have an idea who it might be. If I'm right, this person has also acted in film. Sadly, that too - if true - doesn't narrow down the list much.

iMeowbot
Oct 24, 2004, 07:01 PM
Perhaps their "performance" was on a tape track also.
It definitely was taped at first, the first bar or two had synth only (who knows with the drums, but those are a little bit harder to fake). The band does start in for real after the singer's face drops, you can hear that they're just slightly out of tune and the timing is shaky at first. That much is expected, modern pop has too many layers for a normal quartet to play live.

The vocal track was the odd part. That wasn't some backing harmony, but the lead part. With headphones it's all there right up until the chorus (they drop the volume right away, but don't shut it off). She was wearing a wire, so it seems a little silly to say that was a cue!

[added]
I remember years ago when I used to watch this stuff, that the B-52s were on, they flubbed a bit (especially tough since they did a lot of the call-and-response thing in those days), but winged it and came off fine. Edie Brickell was totally out of things the first time she appeared, lost her place but worked with the mistake. You knew there was a screw-up but again, she recovered.

And here's the best one, how Elvis Costello handled the wrong song (http://www.ecostello.com/audience/990906.shtml) (audio file is corrupted though) :)

solvs
Oct 24, 2004, 08:36 PM
the ashlee simpson show on mtv.
No, it was something showing a scene from that. Like the Daily Show or something. Where the guy is talking, then cuts to a clip of her sucking, then cuts back to the guy making fun of her sucking.

Upon watching the undoctored clip, it looks much worse for her. The band was fine, until someone played the wrong vocals. I guess they didn't know what to do, so they just played the music. Really a Milli-Vanilli type of situation. On the first song, it did sound like there was an echo. I figured she had backup, or a recording of her voice backing her up, but it sounded more like the recording was the lead vocals. It's not even like it's a hard song.

If the band new she was really going to sing, why did they change to the other song? They must have known, and wanted to switch songs in case the recording started singing the lyrics. Very embarrassing.

She's no Christina (though unfortunetly, right now, neither is Christina).

jbembe
Oct 24, 2004, 08:57 PM
I saw it. Oops. I suppose if you're going to lip sync you should know when the recording starts. Was it just me, or did it look like the guy playing guitar was laughing at her?

We just need this to happen to all those other MTV manufactured "artists" so they can be taken down a notch.

I'm really happy to see this. Maybe SNL will invite artists who can actually perform!

p.s. if you're avatar is what I think it is--hilarious! :D

jimsowden
Oct 24, 2004, 09:34 PM
Edit: Found a doctored movie: http://onetrick.net/Ashlee_Sax.mpg
Does anyone know the name of the song they doctored in? I need to know, its such a funny tune!

iMeowbot
Oct 24, 2004, 09:41 PM
Does anyone know the name of the song they doctored in? I need to know, its such a funny tune!
Boots Randolph, Yakety Sax.
Better known as the theme to the Benny Hill show.

jared_kipe
Oct 24, 2004, 09:47 PM
Upon listening to it, I don't think the band messed up, I think somebody in charge of playing the cue music f'ed up. The backup music was supposed to sync everybody up, it was too soft to be used as the actual music. And it sounds like the drums/bass started to play something else, and then you could hear one by one the other instruments come in and play the song that started to play. She should have stopped them though, and the guitars should have played a mad solo or something to transition to the real one.

jbembe
Oct 24, 2004, 09:56 PM
Upon listening to it, I don't think the band messed up, I think somebody in charge of playing the cue music f'ed up. The backup music was supposed to sync everybody up, it was too soft to be used as the actual music. And it sounds like the drums/bass started to play something else, and then you could hear one by one the other instruments come in and play the song that started to play. She should have stopped them though, and the guitars should have played a mad solo or something to transition to the real one.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

the backup band playing a 'mad solo'!?!?!?!?!?!

It wasn't a Clapton concert or something. Give me a BREAK! :D

jimsowden
Oct 24, 2004, 10:05 PM
Ashly SimpsOwn3d!

Mike Teezie
Oct 24, 2004, 10:10 PM
Yeah, I think a lot of pop stars get a bad rap that they don't deserve.

Does Ashlee Simpson deserve all the comments about having no talent? Yes.

Does Christina Aguilera? No. Does Mariah Carey? No.

Does Brittney Spears? Kind of. She is a great performer, whether you like to admit it or not. She has talent at not only dancing, but at entertaining. She can put on a show, and that's what she does. Talented at singing? No. However if you look at the tapes Brittney sent to Jive records to get her record deal, she didn't sound half-bad. I think she should quit lip syncing personally, on non-dance tracks at least.

But, anyways, the pop scene is full of talent. The music may not be that good, but the singing can be (Christina, Mariah, Jessica, and even Jojo at the tender age of 13 :p ), and the entertainment value is always high.

scem0

Whether or not she is entertaining, is in the eye of the beholder. I think she is one of the hottest girls alive, and yet I can't stand to watch/listen to her "music" for more than a few seconds without sceaming in agony.

I am much more entertained by a good rock band. For instance, seeing Radiohead live was the most amazing musical experience of my life.

THAT'S entertaining.

But like I said, its all in the eye/ear of the beholder.

mymemory
Oct 24, 2004, 10:30 PM
Is there a good technical reason why "artists" do this sync stuff? Or are they just a bunch of no-talent asshats like I suspect they are?

Managers jusn want a pretty face and some carisma, the rest is studio work. I work with "artists" here in Miami and there is nothing more scarry for a manager than a live act, if they could record everything on video and make the audience believe that is live they would. Artists are usually lazy and they are "artists for everything" they sing, the model, the do runnaway, they design cloth, they are actors, musicians, etc. at list that is in the latin industry and the north american industry is not any far from that.

Spymit007
Oct 24, 2004, 10:35 PM
Ashlee Simpson and her other cohorts in the pop music world are to blame for the sad state that music is in right now. The kind of music that MTV promotes now has really gone downhill since the early 90s. Seems like all they play now is rap, hip-hop, manufactured pop, and scream-at-the-top-of-your-lungs punk. Not that I have any problems with any of these genres, granted they are not my cup of tea, but where is the good old fashioned rock music?

Being only 23, I wish I had grown up in the 1960s and 1970s when music had a message and meant something...

Doctor Q
Oct 24, 2004, 10:35 PM
Ashly SimpsOwn3d!Better watch out, jimsowden. It's pretty easy to stick an "Own3d" in your member name, and Ashlee might be out for revenge. :eek: :p

A new angle on this whole thing: Is there any chance that the whole thing was planned and done on purpose, on the theory that "any publicity is good publicity"? We're certainly giving her lots of attention that we wouldn't otherwise have given, aren't we?

jimsowden
Oct 24, 2004, 10:42 PM
Better watch out, jimsowden. It's pretty easy to stick an "Own3d" in your member name, and Ashlee might be out for revenge. :eek: :p

A new angle on this whole thing: Is there any chance that the whole thing was planned and done on purpose, on the theory that "any publicity is good publicity"? We're certainly giving her lots of attention that we wouldn't otherwise have given, aren't we?
True, but it sounds weird. Jim S0wn3den? Hers has a ring to it.

Archaeopteryx
Oct 24, 2004, 11:51 PM
me and my chick went out of town for the weekend.. we were down at the hotel getting plastered off room service and watching SNL... I think Jude Law is teh Man. Well we are driking up a storm.. when suddenly this happens.. Then "The Jig" OMG, I bathed the hotel wall with booze ... I just could not stop laughing.. and I have to say.. the Benny Hill song to it.. Made my day :D

LethalWolfe
Oct 25, 2004, 01:14 AM
Ashlee Simpson and her other cohorts in the pop music world are to blame for the sad state that music is in right now. The kind of music that MTV promotes now has really gone downhill since the early 90s. Seems like all they play now is rap, hip-hop, manufactured pop, and scream-at-the-top-of-your-lungs punk. Not that I have any problems with any of these genres, granted they are not my cup of tea, but where is the good old fashioned rock music?

Being only 23, I wish I had grown up in the 1960s and 1970s when music had a message and meant something...

The majors churn out what sells. If nobody bought pop crap the majors would stop flinging it everywhere. Granted mass acceptence of crap by consumers is only part of the problem but it is a very big part.


Lethal

jared_kipe
Oct 25, 2004, 01:18 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

the backup band playing a 'mad solo'!?!?!?!?!?!

It wasn't a Clapton concert or something. Give me a BREAK! :D

Ae you kidding me?? Do yo know how good you have to be to be in a backup band?? Seriously, I played back in highschool and anybody who has ever picked up a guitar for 20min can play some mad solo. They aren't hard, they kind of started to get in a rocking groove, one of them could have busted some nice solo.

MacNut
Oct 25, 2004, 01:19 AM
The problem is that the pre teens have no taste in music and will buy anything because TV tells them too.

Counterfit
Oct 25, 2004, 01:59 AM
That's because TV > God!


:D

Spymit007
Oct 25, 2004, 02:23 AM
The problem is that the pre teens have no taste in music and will buy anything because TV tells them too.


I totally agree with you. However, when I was 12 in 1993, MTV played cool stuff (in my opinion anyway) like Aerosmith, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains and they played more music in general, no shows, at least not as many as now. Granted they played their fair share of rap, hip-hop, and all those other genres but back then, it seemed like that there was a better balance of music that was played, not just on MTV but in music in general.

I'm not saying that there isn't good music out there now. There is. MTV just doesn't promote it. I doubt any of the musical groups I like now would ever be featured on TRL. I guess the same correlation could be made to Windows: just because a lot of people use it, doesn't mean that it's good.

But back in the early 90s, you really didn't have any manufactured pop music because the industry was still recovering from the backlash of "bands" like New Kids on the Block. I am hoping that the backlash from the "artists" of the same caliber today will happen soon.

If in fact the lip-syncing was intentional and meant to generate publicity for the sake of publicity, well that says A LOT about the quality of your music that you have to resort to such tactics to gain any kind of notoriety. Perish the thought that you produce good music that actually stands on its own. What a concept...

LethalWolfe
Oct 25, 2004, 02:42 AM
I totally agree with you. However, when I was 12 in 1993, MTV played cool stuff (in my opinion anyway) like Aerosmith, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains and they played more music in general, no shows, at least not as many as now. Granted they played their fair share of rap, hip-hop, and all those other genres but back then, it seemed like that there was a better balance of music that was played, not just on MTV but in music in general.

That's why happens why you go from a "nothing to lose" upstart to a massive business that has a lot to lose.


But back in the early 90s, you really didn't have any manufactured pop music because the industry was still recovering from the backlash of "bands" like New Kids on the Block. I am hoping that the backlash from the "artists" of the same caliber today will happen soon.


It's just a viscious cycle. There will always be people motivated by art and there will always be people motivated by money. Crappy pop music from era X will just get replaced w/crappy pop music from era Y which will be replaced by crappy pop music from era Z. "Grunge", which was a backlash against Hair Metal, became oversaturated and people grabbed onto the next hot genre which was nu-metal (Korn, Limp Bizkit, etc.,). It didn't take very long for nu-metal to start imploding (thank god) which paved the way for the "new" music from bands like The Hives, The Strokes, The White Stripes, etc., (I say "new" because all it is 20 year olds playing 60's rock). Along the way Hip-Hop became huge and pop-punk appeared (yay.)

All era's have good music and bad music. The 70's had KC and the Sunshine Band as well as Black Sabbath.


Lethal

madoka
Oct 25, 2004, 03:01 AM
Whether or not she is entertaining, is in the eye of the beholder. I think she is one of the hottest girls alive, and yet I can't stand to watch/listen to her "music" for more than a few seconds without sceaming in agony.


Uh, yeah, she certainly is one of the hottest girls around:

http://www.apechild.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1062

:eek:

Diatribe
Oct 25, 2004, 04:18 AM
That reminds me of a quote of Elton John:

Madonna, award for best Live Act? Why would you f****** pay that amount of money to see lip-syncing? Oh well there goes another xmas card...

Seriously though, lip-syncing artists should be banned of this planet.

iMeowbot
Oct 25, 2004, 06:21 AM
Being only 23, I wish I had grown up in the 1960s and 1970s when music had a message and meant something...
Yeah, those were the days, when real musicians like the Archies, the Monkees and the Partridge Family ruled the airwaves :D

macfreek57
Oct 25, 2004, 10:34 AM
an excellent example of the MTV crowd... 13 year old girls

especially note the posts by "kuti1225"

http://www.ashleesimpsonmusic.com/Community/Topic.asp?assetid=945833&artistname=Ashlee%20Simpson&artistid=488&title=TEAM+ASHLEE+2004

http://www.ashleesimpsonmusic.com/Community/Topic.asp?assetid=945862&artistname=Ashlee%20Simpson&artistid=488&title=HHHMMMMM+HAT%2C+NOPE+STILL+LOVEING+HER

Punani
Oct 25, 2004, 12:05 PM
Yeah, those were the days, when real musicians like the Archies, the Monkees and the Partridge Family ruled the airwaves :DYeah, but I think there's a fine line being a live act or TV gimmick. And the fact that the Archies managed to sell makes me wonder what people were thinking...

iMeowbot
Oct 25, 2004, 12:59 PM
I wonder how different it really is. This album was the outcome of some kind of TV "reality" series, wasn't it?

I understand why this kid would want to use a recording -- attempts at live singing I've listened to are truly painful to hear.

The only really puzzling part is the kid's insistence that she would never do such a thing, and fabricating coverup stories. "Hey, this is 21st-century bubblegum, whaddaya want?" would have been fine.

Doctor Q
Oct 25, 2004, 01:00 PM
Here's another case of blaming it on the computer in recent news.

Disney agreed to pay a half million dollar fine for airing commercials during children's TV shows that sold products associated with those same shows, which is a violation of FCC rules. It happened on 31 different half-hour episodes that Disney broadcast, yet the company blamed a "computer snafu".

jsw
Oct 25, 2004, 01:10 PM
Here's another case of blaming it on the computer in recent news.

Disney agreed to pay a half million dollar fine for airing commercials during children's TV shows that sold products associated with those same shows, which is a violation of FCC rules. It happened on 31 different half-hour episodes that Disney broadcast, yet the company blamed a "computer snafu".
Call it what you want, but I found it very convenient to be able to order all that Wiggles gear while watching the show. That way, I didn't need to worry about my short attention span getting in the way - I mean, sure, I might want Stanley pajamas, but how am I supposed to think about that when I'm watching Bear in the Big Blue House?

edesignuk
Oct 25, 2004, 01:15 PM
an excellent example of the MTV crowd... 13 year old girls

especially note the posts by "kuti1225"

http://www.ashleesimpsonmusic.com/Community/Topic.asp?assetid=945862&artistname=Ashlee%20Simpson&artistid=488&title=HHHMMMMM+HAT%2C+NOPE+STILL+LOVEING+HER
I haven't laughed so hard in a while, these crazy teen girls :rolleyes:
10/25/2004 7:26:27 AM - by kuti1225

your welcome ashlee, I still love you, keep rockin!!!Your real fans will stick with you through thick and thin....;-)
I want to be the first to tell the simpson family I am sorry people are so rude and gross..AShlee ignore them, they obviously have no life at all...Keep going, please don't stop rockin, proove to the world what we all know, you have a great voice and can sing very well..IF anyone watched your show at all they saw you singing with just a guitar, and you sounded great...God bless you and your family...Keep your head up, I love ya ashlee, you have my suport 110%.:-)ASHLEE KEEP YOUR HEAD HELD HIGH!!!!!
:-)
BADADADDAAADAA, STILL LOVEIN IT...

LOL!!

Ashlee Simpson is an untalented nobody by all accounts, who is only where she is because of her equally stupid sister :rolleyes:

scem0
Oct 25, 2004, 01:18 PM
BADADADDAAADAA, STILL LOVEIN IT...


oh my....

I'm 'LOVEIN' how there is a random McDonalds reference at the end.

scem0

jsw
Oct 25, 2004, 01:19 PM
10/25/2004 7:26:27 AM - by kuti1225

your welcome ashlee, I still love you, keep rockin!!!Your real fans will stick with you through thick and thin....;-)
I want to be the first to tell the simpson family I am sorry people are so rude and gross..AShlee ignore them, they obviously have no life at all...Keep going, please don't stop rockin, proove to the world what we all know, you have a great voice and can sing very well..IF anyone watched your show at all they saw you singing with just a guitar, and you sounded great...God bless you and your family...Keep your head up, I love ya ashlee, you have my suport 110%.:-)ASHLEE KEEP YOUR HEAD HELD HIGH!!!!!
:-)
BADADADDAAADAA, STILL LOVEIN IT...


How totally fitting that she concludes with a paraphrasing of McDonald's latest catch tune....

Edit: damn it! must... improve.... typing... speed.

iMeowbot
Oct 25, 2004, 01:44 PM
This just in: The Computer is your friend, happiness is mandatory! She admits she couldn't sing (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1492993/20041025/simpson_ashlee.jhtml?headlines=true).

Spymit007
Oct 25, 2004, 01:59 PM
Yeah, those were the days, when real musicians like the Archies, the Monkees and the Partridge Family ruled the airwaves :D

True enough, but you also had groups like The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Who, The Doors, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, Bob Dylan, David Bowie, etc. who ALL ruled the airwaves more than the likes of Davey Jones and Co. Can anyone think of any bands and artists today that the industry promotes that could be described as the contemporary versions of the groups I just listed???

jsw
Oct 25, 2004, 02:03 PM
This just in: The Computer is your friend, happiness is mandatory! She admits she couldn't sing (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1492993/20041025/simpson_ashlee.jhtml?headlines=true).
"I can't cancel something like 'SNL,' " she said in a post to her official Web site. "You and I know that even if I synched on it or not, I'd still get seen by millions, maybe even make a few more fans. I'll hold my head high and say I think it was silly of me to do it, silly of me to blame the band, I was just so f---ing embarrassed. But I don't think it did me much harm, and people will see that soon."
"Seriously, I don't sleep much for a start, and with flying from A to B and flying all over the f---ing place, it's just getting to me. And it showed. Joke is on me, you seem to enjoy it."
Jessica might play the dumb blonde, but her sister's the one with no class....

jbembe
Oct 25, 2004, 02:06 PM
True enough, but you also had groups like The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Who, The Doors, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, Bob Dylan, David Bowie, etc. who ALL ruled the airwaves more than the likes of Davey Jones and Co. Can anyone think of any bands and artists today that the industry promotes that could be described as the contemporary versions of the groups I just listed???

Los Lonely Boys?

Time will tell if they can live up to any of those bands, but they have gotten decent attention and are the Real Deal in my opinion.

But I can't think of anything else. :mad:

gwuMACaddict
Oct 25, 2004, 03:02 PM
Los Lonely Boys?

because of one hit single that made it to the top40? please... :rolleyes:



anyhow... i'm a little late on getting to this thread, i try to avoid the pop-tart news... but MAN! those vidoes were hillarious... hopefully this will be the end of her... now what to do about the rest of them... http://www.cripplefight.com/smileys/devil.gifhttp://www.cripplefight.com/smileys/ar15.gif

MacNut
Oct 25, 2004, 03:22 PM
Jessica might play the dumb blonde, but her sister's the one with no class....

At least she admitted it wasn't the bands fault.

As for the Radio music awards on "live" tonight, I think that was tapped in advance, I could be wrong tho.

edesignuk
Oct 25, 2004, 03:26 PM
Jessica might play the dumb blonde, but her sister's the one with no class....And more importantly Jessica is much hotter than her little sis :D :eek:

MacNut
Oct 25, 2004, 03:32 PM
And more importantly Jessica is much hotter than her little sis :D :eek:

And in her case, the "dumb blonde" in her makes her hotter. :p

iMeowbot
Oct 25, 2004, 03:51 PM
As for the Radio music awards on "live" tonight, I think that was tapped in advance, I could be wrong tho.
Tape delay for the west coast, but they'll be showing it live in the east.

This one will be carried by NBC, but I'd still expect a few seconds' electronic delay because Janet Jackson is involved.

Doctor Q
Oct 25, 2004, 03:59 PM
Tape delay for the west coast, but they'll be showing it live in the east.I'm depending on you easterners to tell me how it REALLY goes tonite, since they might edit out the next big blooper before we see it.

Archaeopteryx
Oct 25, 2004, 05:13 PM
http://www.popcornnazi.com/forum/upload/./userfiles/archaeopteryx/ashleedance2.gif

jsw
Oct 25, 2004, 05:22 PM
http://www.popcornnazi.com/forum/upload/./userfiles/archaeopteryx/ashleedance2.gif
She said the mix-up was upsetting and depressing, which is clear, since this clip obviously shows a ... drum roll please ... ho down.

** dodges rotten fruit **

iMeowbot
Oct 25, 2004, 05:26 PM
http://www.popcornnazi.com/forum/upload/./userfiles/archaeopteryx/ashleedance2.gif
Oh no, it's everywhere! I even hooked up an antenna so I can watch this awards thingy :D

Archaeopteryx
Oct 25, 2004, 05:30 PM
You have to admit though, its kinda hypnotic.. I can stare at that impromtu Ho-down for hours.. mesmerized.... You have to admit though.. Its a pretty complex little dance she did :-P

Doctor Q
Oct 25, 2004, 05:32 PM
I was typing a post to ask who would be first to make that into an avatar, but when I clicked "Preview Post" I saw you already did it, iMeowbot. What a trendsetter you are! :D

edesignuk
Oct 25, 2004, 05:35 PM
http://www.popcornnazi.com/forum/upload/./userfiles/archaeopteryx/ashleedance2.gifI see you, and I raise you...

http://upload.yo-momma.net/uploads/gifs/dancebear.gif

*might take a minute to load, especially any of you poor suckers on 56k.

munkle
Oct 25, 2004, 05:45 PM
I see you, and I raise you...


:D You never cease to come up with these little gems, where do you get them all from edesign?!! :p

edesignuk
Oct 25, 2004, 05:48 PM
:D You never cease to come up with these little gems, where do you get them all from edesign?!! :pNormally I like to keep my sources to myself...


...but I'll let you in on a little secret...



...I find this stuff...
















...on t3h h4x0r int4rw3b :eek: :D :p

munkle
Oct 25, 2004, 05:50 PM
...on t3h h4x0r int4rw3b :eek: :D :p

Do I need a special handshake to get in?! ;) :p

jsw
Oct 25, 2004, 05:57 PM
Do I need a special handshake to get in?! ;) :pYou might want to avoid edesignuk's "special handshake" (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=1100089#post1100089). ;)

Seriously, though, his collection of images and animations - and amazingly quick access to it all - is quite impressive!

edesignuk
Oct 25, 2004, 05:59 PM
You might want to avoid edesignuk's "special handshake" (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=1100089#post1100089). ;)Sssshhhhhhhhhhhh! :o

While we're at it...

http://upload.yo-momma.net/uploads/gifs/walkendance.gif

Psychic Shopper
Oct 25, 2004, 06:02 PM
[QUOTE=ocellnuri]Is everyone surprised? Every "Pop" performance I've seen on TV is synced.



When Saturday Night Live first aired oh so many years ago they prided themselves on having live performances. They did not want to be like American Bandstand. I'm surprised Saturday night live would do lipsyncing,not surprised what's her name would.

----Bowie----
Oct 25, 2004, 07:54 PM
the links are not working for me :mad:

iMeowbot
Oct 25, 2004, 08:33 PM
the links are not working for me :mad:
That's okay, this is the InterWeb® and so there's already an official Web site dedicated to Ashlee Simpson's marionette adventures! http://www.lipsync.us/

If the individual links are down, the torrent will definitely work.

HiRez
Oct 25, 2004, 08:44 PM
Where's David's dance (from The Office)?

EDIT: Heh, nm, I found it (http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/theoffice/clips/brent/dancer.shtml)! Now someone make me an avatar from it. :)

Apple Hobo
Oct 25, 2004, 09:41 PM
I can't believe this is getting so much attention, but I think it's hilarious!


And check out the people ripping her about this SNL incident on her CD page at Amazon.com:

Ho down chicken dance jig! (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002GMSC0/qid=1098754659/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/002-8798277-6403259?v=glance&s=music&n=507846)

iMeowbot
Oct 25, 2004, 09:59 PM
okay, repeat of the "wrong song" thing, then did live, er, vocalization. She sounded a lot like Iggy Pop (slurred 70s-era) this time.

stillwater
Oct 25, 2004, 10:35 PM
I just saw Carson Daly ask her about the SNL thing and she blamed it on severe acid reflux.

jimsowden
Oct 25, 2004, 10:38 PM
I just saw Carson Daly ask her about the SNL thing and she blamed it on severe acid reflux.
She should try Prilosect O T C. One pill, 24 hours, Zero Heartburn!

TenderBranson
Oct 25, 2004, 10:57 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1469&item=5530371822&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Oh god.

vwcruisn
Oct 25, 2004, 11:00 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1469&item=5530371822&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Oh god.



hahah woo hoo just what ive always wanted.. and even if it is real, dont you think shed have a new number by now?

iMeowbot
Oct 25, 2004, 11:08 PM
She should try Prilosect O T C. One pill, 24 hours, Zero Heartburn!
Oh, that can be fixed with an outpatient visit now. My friends make some neat toys (http://www.ndosurgical.com/).

solvs
Oct 25, 2004, 11:55 PM
I haven't laughed so hard in a while, these crazy teen girls
Ah, but teenagers are fickle. What is cool now, will not be cool next week. Especially if it sucks.

It's not the wannabe punk image, or the fact that she's a hypocrite (saying she thinks it's wrong when other "artists" lip-sync)... or that she is blaming all sorts of other things in a vain attempt to save face. Or even the fact that she is not talented. It's... no, wait - it's the no talent thing. She is a manufactured product, who is sister to a more famous manufactured product; who has, herself, thrown away what little talent she has.

She did not deserve to get where she got, and as such got what she deserves.

edesignuk
Oct 26, 2004, 04:35 PM
For those who missed it (like me), here's the caps :D

LOL, too funny! (http://tracker.yo-momma.net/tracker.php?id=17)

3 videos, 25MB, zipped:
- A well edited, and very funny version of the cock up.
- Higher quality rip of the actual balls up.
- Her making her lame excuses.

Enjoy.

Mike Teezie
Oct 26, 2004, 05:07 PM
I would like to know how much much bandwith has been used all over with people watching all these Ashleeeeeeeee vids.

edesignuk
Oct 26, 2004, 05:17 PM
I would like to know how much much bandwith has been used all over with people watching all these Ashleeeeeeeee vids.Well, my mirror has had 3 clicks so far, so that's 75MB right there :eek:

lordofthethings
Oct 26, 2004, 06:05 PM
i cuoldnt get 2 any of the vdioes 4 smoe raeosn :confused:

edesignuk
Oct 26, 2004, 06:14 PM
i cuoldnt get 2 any of the vdioes 4 smoe raeosn :confused:What happens? It's just a link to a zip file which you need to download, all the vids are in there.

iMeowbot
Oct 26, 2004, 07:12 PM
( old one was http://homepage.mac.com/imeowbot/mr/ashleedance.gif )

http://homepage.mac.com/iMeowbot/mr/ashleedance3.gif

MacNut
Oct 26, 2004, 08:58 PM
http://homepage.mac.com/iMeowbot/mr/ashleedance.gif

I must say that is really hypnotic to watch, She does a mighty fine jig.

iLikeMyiMac
Oct 27, 2004, 09:02 PM
Has anybody seen the the iPod Ashlee Simpson Karaoke Edition (http://www.airbagindustries.com/bucket/ipod/)?

jsw
Oct 27, 2004, 09:12 PM
Has anybody seen the the iPod Ashlee Simpson Karaoke Edition (http://www.airbagindustries.com/bucket/ipod/)?That's excellent. So many funny bits....
Use it with Mac OS X, Windows 2000/XP, Sony's My First Computer

iLikeMyiMac
Oct 27, 2004, 10:58 PM
That's excellent. So many funny bits....

I liked the part at the bottom:# Please consult your Los Angeles physician before trying to lip-sync for 12 hours straight.

I think they could have taken a better screen shot of the nav bar at the top. The pic quality isn't too good.

themadchemist
Oct 28, 2004, 02:21 PM
Has anybody seen the the iPod Ashlee Simpson Karaoke Edition (http://www.airbagindustries.com/bucket/ipod/)?

Dork that I am, I was just thinking how cool that song display was...Having the album cover next to the song title would be a really nice touch, although it would be an unnecessary battery hog. Maybe something we'll see in the iPod Photo?

Xtremehkr
Oct 28, 2004, 07:19 PM
Is it so wrong to hope that something terrible will happen to Ashlee and Jessica and the world will be freed of them?

Music was much better when young people decided what they liked and didn't like. Now, apparantly, youth look to MTV for cues on how they should act and behave.

We've gone from Gen Xers who pretty much said F the system to a bunch of teenyboppers who seem to totally accept being made into mindless consumers.

I can't believe the number of girls who think that Jessica Simpson is a great wife, are they insane. Nick Lache needs to save himself...

why I am talking about this?

My TVs days are numbered.

rock6079
Oct 28, 2004, 07:23 PM
Dork that I am, I was just thinking how cool that song display was...Having the album cover next to the song title would be a really nice touch, although it would be an unnecessary battery hog. Maybe something we'll see in the iPod Photo?

i dont know if that was arcasm and i jsut look stupid, but it is a feature of the iPod Photo

iMeowbot
Oct 28, 2004, 07:33 PM
Is it so wrong to hope that something terrible will happen to Ashlee and Jessica and the world will be freed of them?
Terrible? I think that kid may have found her real calling, in comedy! The last time I laughed that much from something on SNL was when Joe Cocker was on, and Belushi was behind him doing the flapping forearms bit.

jsw
Oct 28, 2004, 07:37 PM
I can't believe the number of girls who think that Jessica Simpson is a great wife, are they insane. Nick Lache needs to save himself...
Rich, attractive, faithful younger woman with no baggage.

He could do worse.

Archaeopteryx
Oct 28, 2004, 07:59 PM
Agreed, Id hit it, and like it :-P

Xtremehkr
Oct 28, 2004, 10:47 PM
Rich, attractive, faithful younger woman with no baggage.

He could do worse.

I have watched a few episodes of their show and there was a christmas episode where faithful yooung Jessica "forgot" to get her husband a christmas present. So at the airport, Nick suggested sex a whopping three times a week and Jessica could not commit to that. Which doesn't seem like much for a newlywed who has just lost her virginity does it?

Agreed, she is hot (Ashlee is not hot at all) but she doesn't put out, how much fun would that be?

On top of that she is stupid and self centered. The rumor locally is that they are not going to be together much longer.

And come on, it's Nick Lache, he may not be Justin Timberlake, but it's not like he can't ge laid. I think if you have watched the show, you would better know what I mean.

Hot only lasts so long anyway, after that you have the rest of her to deal with and none of the hotness :eek:

NO THANKS.

RockerGrrrlCal
Oct 29, 2004, 03:07 PM
Is everyone surprised? Every "Pop" performance I've seen on TV is synced. I always get a kick out of the Grammy's and MTV Awards shows when they have "Live Performances". Also, the Superbowl Halftime shows or Christmas Parades where it's pretty obvious everyone's lipsyncing. So someone screws up and everyone yells fraud? Every performance I've ever happened to see Spears do was synced, and I've never heard her criticsized for it.

I think it's pretty funny this happened, especially after they hyped the show up so much. I just hope people aren't honestly surprised by this. :D

I soooooooooooo agree with your post. There are so many talented singers out there and then someone like ASHLEE (can't sing) SIMPSON :mad: gets all this fame. This is the third time I've heard her live and it's always something. Usually she's like totally off key. Check out my friend's band in California, The F-Bombs. You can hear their music here.

www.myspace.com/thef-bombs

Hey, it might not be a top-notch, Hollywood-paid for recording, but that girl can sing. :D

themadchemist
Oct 29, 2004, 05:56 PM
i dont know if that was arcasm and i jsut look stupid, but it is a feature of the iPod Photo

No, the stupidity is all mine...I haven't had the time yet to fully dissect the various interface features of the iPod Photo...I knew that it was color, but I didn't know they changed the interface to look like the mock-up on that site. If they did, that's really cool.

Doctor Q
Oct 30, 2004, 01:59 PM
Will SNL make jokes about the Ashlee Simpson incident on tonite's show? Place your bets.

iMeowbot
Oct 30, 2004, 02:47 PM
I think SNL may have been beaten to the punch on this one. I'm still looking for video of The Donnas doing a hoedown on Monday's Jimmy Kimmel, and of Fox anchors lip syncing each others' voices.

MacNut
Oct 30, 2004, 04:46 PM
Wouldn't a true hoedown be if Christina Agulara tripped and fell. :D :rolleyes:

iMeowbot
Oct 30, 2004, 11:48 PM
Will SNL make jokes about the Ashlee Simpson incident on tonite's show? Place your bets.
I won't spoil it for the west coast with details, but do tune in. The intro and monologue are brutal. WU is having a field day too. eminiem just flubbed a line for effect =)

MacNut
Oct 31, 2004, 12:11 AM
Wanna bet Eminem is using a voice track.

Spymit007
Oct 31, 2004, 12:29 AM
Wow, it's been a while since I've watched SNL...how downhill it's gone. I can't believing I'm typing this but I miss the likes of Chris Kataan, Molly Shannon, and Tracy Morgan.

Only highlight of the night so far (and I won't spoil the surprise for you west coasters) is a special guest cameo during Weekend Update by someone who let's just say is right now considered a hero by a certain nation...

MacNut
Oct 31, 2004, 12:34 AM
And another Ashley Simpson jab on WU

Archaeopteryx
Oct 31, 2004, 03:04 PM
Ok, spoil it for us now.. I went to see sShaun of the Dead and missed the show.. Do tell :-D

iMeowbot
Oct 31, 2004, 07:51 PM
Intro was a spoof of bin Laden's tape. Mostly he complains about how lame both presidential candidates are, but the worst offense is that the West is exporting its pop culture, especially all those lip-syncing singers. He can understand why dancers would have to do that, but singers who don't even dance? Please!

For the monologue, Kate Winslet decided to sing, and she also incorporated tap dancing and stopped randomly to prove that she can do both live. She's actually a good singer!

WU: a few quoted "reactions" to the hoedown indicend from other pop stars, this was kind of weak. (Really, what did happen to SNL? In general it's nowhere near as funny as was in the past.)

Later in WU, "Elton John" comes out and bangs out his latest song on a Casiotone, a tribute to Ashlee's lameness. THis one would be worth tracking down an MP3.

For both music segments, Eminem lip synced very badly. Unstated punchline: normally he does do his thing live.

Doctor Q
Oct 31, 2004, 09:09 PM
Seeing Ashlee's hoedown in iMeowbot's avatar made me wonder how long it will be until somebody finds a way to combine her video clip with the Star Wars Kid (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/movies/137246_starwarskid30.html) video.

iMeowbot
Oct 31, 2004, 10:08 PM
Yeah, he might make for a good clip to add in. Rough idea for now is a mock ad for Darwin -- certainly the "agony of defeat" clip from Wide World of Sports belongs in there too.

~Shard~
Oct 31, 2004, 10:54 PM
Wow, it's been a while since I've watched SNL...how downhill it's gone. I can't believing I'm typing this but I miss the likes of Chris Kataan, Molly Shannon, and Tracy Morgan.

It's all relative buddy - I said the same thing a number of years ago, citing that I missed the likes of Phil Hartman, Dana Carvey, Jon Lovitz, Mike Myers, etc. ;) :cool:

Don't get me wrong, SNL has had a number of talented performers in recent times (Ferrell, etc.) but some of the skits in the late-80s & early-90s were still the best IMO - perhaps it's partly because I'm a Conan O'Brien fan as well... :cool:

MacNut
Oct 31, 2004, 11:46 PM
The problem with SNL now is that they don't have a true headliner anymore, Ferrell and Hartman and Myers didn't need a support cast, as the current members need each other to try and make the skits work.

Doctor Q
Oct 31, 2004, 11:50 PM
SNL varies season to season and week to week. A lot depends on the ability of the writers to guess what we'll like. This weekend they missed.

MacNut
Oct 31, 2004, 11:56 PM
A lot of the problem is that this years cast really isn't that funny, I think that Fallon was holding the show together after Ferrell left. Now all they have is sub par comics, and aside from Darrell Hammond's impersonations everyone else sucks.

~Shard~
Nov 1, 2004, 12:02 AM
A lot of the problem is that this years cast really isn't that funny, I think that Fallon was holding the show together after Ferrell left. Now all they have is sub par comics, and aside from Darrell Hammond's impersonations everyone else sucks.

Fallon wasn't even anything amazing, although he was definitely above average - he always seemed to get his laughs by cracking up on camera, which isn't the way you're supposed to do it. ;) Even the quality of Hammond's impersonations is relative, as he can't hold a candle to Hartman or Carvey in that department.

MacNut
Nov 1, 2004, 12:05 AM
Even the quality of Hammond's impersonations is relative, as he can't hold a candle to Hartman or Carvey in that department.

Thats true, but who do they have besides him right now.

MacNut
Nov 1, 2004, 12:09 AM
I think SNL is hitting another lull stage and it might be time to clean house and rebuild the cast from scratch again.

iMeowbot
Nov 1, 2004, 06:37 AM
We all knew from the backing track and choreography that the wrong song was played, and that a number of misleading statements were made in the aftermath. The question remains, what song did Ashlee really intend to perform? After extensive lyrical analysis, timing studies, and diligent processing with the world's cheesiest multimedia editor (iMovie), we arrived at this shocking conclusion.

1.9MB (http://homepage.mac.com/imeowbot/as/ashhat.mov) and 5.7MB (http://homepage.mac.com/imeowbot/as/ashhat2.mov) versions of the results can now be revealed.

Names of the people involved have been witheld to protect the guilty.

MacDawg
Nov 1, 2004, 08:23 AM
Seeing Ashlee's hoedown in iMeowbot's avatar made me wonder how long it will be until somebody finds a way to combine her video clip with the Star Wars Kid (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/movies/137246_starwarskid30.html) video.

I love the starwars kid video! I had forgotten all about him!

~Shard~
Nov 1, 2004, 08:39 AM
I love the starwars kid video! I had forgotten all about him!

Wasn't he eventually submitted to a mental institute or something because he developed a complex from constantly being ridiculed?

MacDawg
Nov 1, 2004, 08:45 AM
Wasn't he eventually submitted to a mental institute or something because he developed a complex from constantly being ridiculed?

I wouldn't be surprised!

He will be resurrected as soon as the next Star Wars comes out...

iMeowbot
Nov 1, 2004, 08:55 AM
Here's the Wired article (http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0%2C1284%2C59757%2C00.html) on Raza.

Doctor visits are sometimes preliminary to law suits, to help put a number on damages; so take the scarred-for-life stuff with a grain of salt.

~Shard~
Nov 1, 2004, 10:56 AM
Here's the Wired article (http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0%2C1284%2C59757%2C00.html) on Raza.

Doctor visits are sometimes preliminary to law suits, to help put a number on damages; so take the scarred-for-life stuff with a grain of salt.

Cool, I was looking for something like this, thanks for the link. Man, people will sue over anything, just like the Hooters waitress (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=95292&highlight=hooters+jedi). Hmm, and odd that both relate to Star Wars... :cool:

Archaeopteryx
Nov 1, 2004, 06:47 PM
You know, if I had been starwars kid, I would have taken it all light heartedly and basked in my temporary fame :-D What a *****..

MacDawg
Nov 1, 2004, 07:47 PM
You know, if I had been starwars kid, I would have taken it all light heartedly and basked in my temporary fame :-D What a *****..

I don't know... His self esteem was probably pretty low to begin with, so shaking it off could be pretty tough. I'd like to think I could have laughed along with everyone else, but maybe I wouldn't.

Oh well, since it isn't me, I can laugh about it :p

dorqiekat
Nov 2, 2004, 01:59 AM
We all knew from the backing track and choreography that the wrong song was played, and that a number of misleading statements were made in the aftermath. The question remains, what song did Ashlee really intend to perform? After extensive lyrical analysis, timing studies, and diligent processing with the world's cheesiest multimedia editor (iMovie), we arrived at this shocking conclusion.

1.9MB (http://homepage.mac.com/imeowbot/as/ashhat.mov) and 5.7MB (http://homepage.mac.com/imeowbot/as/ashhat2.mov) versions of the results can now be revealed.

Names of the people involved have been witheld to protect the guilty.

They said somewhere that she was going to sing autobiography... but we all know how that went. ;)

iMeowbot
Nov 3, 2004, 12:36 PM
Tue, 26 Oct 2004:

This was on the drum riser for Ashlee Simpson next to the protools rig two nights after the SNL screw up.

~Shard~
Nov 3, 2004, 02:08 PM
Niiice, I love it! :cool:

Apple Hobo
Nov 3, 2004, 03:06 PM
A snip from an article in Time:

Ashlee, sister of pop confection Jessica, shuffled as if at a hoedown and left the stage.

Ha ha ha!

Doctor Q
Dec 4, 2004, 10:27 PM
Tonite's Saturday Night Live repeat is the infamous Jude Law/Ashlee Simpson show. I guess they will run the fiasco again, for those who want to experience it again (or for the first time).

Dr. No
Dec 5, 2004, 12:10 AM
Does anyone know anything about this???


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0434424/

iMeowbot
Dec 5, 2004, 12:48 AM
Cool, they restored the original live soundtrack, so now people on the west coast might see what really happened.

latergator116
Dec 5, 2004, 02:09 AM
I was surprised they didn't cut it out this time.

It was funny to see Tina Fey condole Ashlee after the show since the next week she made fun of her on newsupdate.

iceTrX
Dec 5, 2004, 12:20 PM
That looks like a 12" PowerBook? So the entire lip sync thing was a PowerBooks fault? :D

scem0
Dec 5, 2004, 12:58 PM
That looks like a 12" PowerBook? So the entire lip sync thing was a PowerBooks fault? :D

Probably the person behind it ;).

scem0

MacNut
Dec 5, 2004, 01:42 PM
I was surprised that they did a promo for the episode saying watch Ashley Simpson do a hoe down and that they didn't cut any of it out.

smile07
Dec 7, 2004, 09:09 PM
wow... who would had knowen... i was like no way their going to show it... it is cut or something... or maybe redone so there was no mess up

Doctor Q
Sep 4, 2005, 03:39 AM
Anyone who wants to relive Ashlee's wonderfully awful performance on Saturday Night Live from last October can tune in next Saturday night (6 days from now) since they are rebroadcasting that episode.

greatdevourer
Sep 4, 2005, 05:40 AM
If only we had more people like Saparmural Nyazov - he outlawed lip-syncing on Turkmen music channels :p

Lacero
Sep 4, 2005, 05:47 AM
Has it been almost a year already?

SamIchi
Sep 4, 2005, 09:48 AM
Damn I thought she messed up again. It was strange seeing this topic pop up.

~Shard~
Sep 4, 2005, 12:46 PM
Ah, this thread brings back memories... But should probably be closed now, it's time has come and gone... ;) :cool:

MacDawg
Sep 4, 2005, 01:03 PM
Some threads are timeless classics and should never be closed, they belong to the people. :)

Woof, Woof - Dawg http://homepage.mac.com/k.j.vinson/pawprint.gif

Doctor Q
Sep 4, 2005, 02:32 PM
Maybe this time (on the replay) her band will play the correct song. It was all their fault, you know. I'll keep watching every time they replay this SNL episode until they get it right. ;)

PaRaGoNViCtiM
Sep 4, 2005, 02:49 PM
I don't know why this is such a big deal...every dancer/singer tends to lipsync! This is so old who cares!!

kalisphoenix
Sep 4, 2005, 03:12 PM
Because it's a breath of fresh air in an otherwise cruel and unjust world.

mcarnes
Sep 4, 2005, 03:21 PM
Agreed. Let's just let the poor girl move on. But first another pic. :p

Mac_Freak
Sep 4, 2005, 04:23 PM
Holy sh**, she looks retarded in this pic. :D

solvs
Sep 5, 2005, 11:53 PM
Anyone who wants to relive Ashlee's wonderfully awful performance on Saturday Night Live from last October can tune in next Saturday night (6 days from now) since they are rebroadcasting that episode.
Again?

... why?

iMeowbot
Sep 6, 2005, 01:20 AM
Again?

... why?
I think it's a public service from NBC. Apparently she's on tour again and the public needed to be warned.

faintember
Sep 6, 2005, 03:22 AM
I think it's a public service from NBC. Apparently she's on tour again and the public needed to be warned. Warned about what? I thought her music was supposed to be bitonal/atonal? :confused:

solvs
Sep 7, 2005, 12:39 AM
Warned about what? I thought her music was supposed to be bitonal/atonal? :confused:
Please tell me you're kidding. It was a joke. Cuz, you know, she's bad.

Phat_Pat
Sep 7, 2005, 01:20 AM
Please tell me you're kidding. It was a joke. Cuz, you know, she's bad.
Why doesn't she just call it pieces of ****

solvs
Sep 7, 2005, 02:15 AM
Why doesn't she just call it pieces of ****
Because that would be truth in advertising.

faintember
Sep 7, 2005, 08:41 PM
Please tell me you're kidding. It was a joke. Cuz, you know, she's bad. I know. I was making a joke. Sarcasm. But maybe you just weren't getting my point? ;)

Doctor Q
Oct 2, 2005, 02:58 AM
Saturday Night Live started its new season this weekend.

Next week's musical guest is... you guessed it! Ashlee Simpson!

~Shard~
Oct 2, 2005, 03:01 AM
Saturday Night Live started its new season this weekend.

Next week's musical guest is... you guessed it! Ashlee Simpson!

Thanks for the warning, I'll make sure to tune out for that part... ;) :cool:

iMeowbot
Oct 2, 2005, 03:16 AM
Thanks for the warning, I'll make sure to tune out for that part... ;) :cool:
It's a good thing she has acting to fall back on. Just last month, her first feature film set a box office record! It pwned even Gigli for the largest ever drop in second weekend domestic sales.