I guess there will be no 30" ACD updates..

[sparkie7]

.. just a 27" Glassy display, ala 27" iMac screen on a stand.

I hope  will give us a matte option. But being used to a 30", going smaller to a 27" sucks

There's hope for an updated 30" matte ACD but I won't be holding my breath

[CaptainChunk]

.. just a 27" Glassy display, ala 27" iMac screen on a stand.

I hope  will give us a matte option. But being used to a 30", going smaller to a 27" sucks

There's hope for an updated 30" matte ACD but I won't be holding my breath

But, the rumored 27" ACD would presumably support 2560x1440 resolution as does the iMac, which is relatively similar to the native resolution of the current 30" ACD. 16:9 ratio has been a big trend lately with consumer LCD monitors and it appears that the new ACD would be no exception.

If you don't like glossy displays, there are several alternatives to buying an Apple-branded monitor. Besides, ACDs are essentially IPS panels wrapped in pretty boxes.

[ValSalva]

.. just a 27" Glassy display, ala 27" iMac screen on a stand.

I hope  will give us a matte option. But being used to a 30", going smaller to a 27" sucks

There's hope for an updated 30" matte ACD but I won't be holding my breath

I wish Apple would update the 30" ACD too. The 27" iMac display is not only smaller it has a higher dot pitch which makes text and menus harder to read. And I doubt Apple will make matte an option on a 27" ACD :(

[sparkie7]

I wish Apple would update the 30" ACD too. The 27" iMac display is not only smaller it has a higher dot pitch which makes text and menus harder to read. And I doubt Apple will make matte an option on a 27" ACD :(

Exactly, the dot pitch on the 30 ACD combined with matte makes it a truly great workstation display, I work 8-15hrs a day on them and get very little headaches and eye strain

[sparkie7]

If you don't like glossy displays, there are several alternatives to buying an Apple-branded monitor. Besides, ACDs are essentially IPS panels wrapped in pretty boxes.

The alternatives are either crappy Dell monitors or expensive EIZO's Maybe the NEC's might fit somewhere in the middle :rolleyes:

[harlem]

The alternatives are either crappy Dell monitors or expensive EIZO's Maybe the NEC's might fit somewhere in the middle :rolleyes:

Don't know where you got the idea that Dell monitors are crap? on the contrary i would without a doubt rather prefer a Dell ultrasharp than an overprised mediocre Apple monitor. No way are Apple monitors better than the Ultrasharp Dells and i work on both.

[UpDownAeroplane]

The alternatives are either crappy Dell monitors or expensive EIZO's Maybe the NEC's might fit somewhere in the middle :rolleyes:

dell monitors are great. obviously the consumer level ones are not what you are looking for, so you can go for the ultrasharp series which are great. also, NEC monitors are some of the best around, i don't know what you are talking about...

[sparkie7]

I'm very sorry. My sincerest apologies. I meant to say Dell monitors LOOK like CRAP :D

[Spanky Deluxe]

I'd be surprised if Apple replaced the 30" ACD with a 27" one. The loss in screen size and resolution would not be seen as worth it to a lot of professionals - particularly those that have been using 30" ACDs for six years now. My guess is that Apple is holding off until it can produce a 30"+ display. Possibly 32" with a resolution superior to that of the 30" ACD. Possibly 2844x1600 or even 3072x1728. 2560x1600 was a limitation of the DVI spec. Display port can go a fair bit higher - up to 3840x2160x30bpp@60Hz. With matte as an option.

[sparkie7]

One would hope.. I'd buy two or three if they did. Till then I'll stick to my 30 ACD's

[harlem]

never quite understood why people payed that much money for an Apple monitor. obviously they quality is "far" from what you expect for such pricey monitors. Also in an agency where i worked they had 3 of those 30" monitors give up on them in 2 years time! experienced it myself, while working on some project, thousands of pixels turned greenish/blue all over the screen...i told the boss and he was like "F$#k, another one!" then he explained this was the third 30" Apple that gave up in 2 years time (and no, it wasn't the video card)

since recently he had the broken ones replaced with 30" Dell ultra sharps and Apple doesn't even come close to the Dells quality

[RubbishBBspeed]

My thinking is it would have to be a 2K monitor or RedOne comparable. As to size, well thats for a logical guess. And possibly the ATI Radeon 5970 if that would work???

[Tali]

never quite understood why people payed that much money for an Apple monitor. obviously they quality is "far" from what you expect for such pricey monitors. Also in an agency where i worked they had 3 of those 30" monitors give up on them in 2 years time! experienced it myself, while working on some project, thousands of pixels turned greenish/blue all over the screen...i told the boss and he was like "F$#k, another one!" then he explained this was the third 30" Apple that gave up in 2 years time (and no, it wasn't the video card)

since recently he had the broken ones replaced with 30" Dell ultra sharps and Apple doesn't even come close to the Dells quality

That's exactly my experience. I used to work with 30" ACDs quite a lot and I have almost completely shifted to Dell. They are nice to look at (the 3008 WFP coming in brushed aluminum), very adjustable, have a ton of different inputs (sure you can get an external card reader and a ton of adapters, but its quite nice to actually hook it all up to the display and be done with it) and they come with pretty good warranty options (you can get deals with 5 years without paying extra) at a nice price.
You don't have to carry the thing to an Apple Store in case it breaks, someone will come by and slap a new (!) one on your desk the very next day.

I'm in no way a Dell fan, I hate their laptops and the quality they offer there (my girlfriends' laptop had to be repaired 4 times to fix a broken lcd) but with standalone displays and especially the 3008 WFP, they are awesome.
Especially when you can get the same panel with 5 year pixel warranty for half of the ACDs price. Now that Apple logo just can't be worth that much.

[Jensend]

I'm very sorry. My sincerest apologies. I meant to say Dell monitors LOOK like CRAP :D

I find the newest models to be very clean looking... a simple 3/4" matte black plastic bevel around the outside.

Sure. It isn't as thin and glossy as the Apple, but I prefer an internal power supply and a very adjustable stand. The Dells even allow you to remove the non-proprietary cables from the back of the screen!

[maflynn]

apple updates their ACD's once in a blue moon, so its not surprising that we're not seeing any sort of updates.

I picked up a 24" ACD last March and was chastised because the 27" was around the corner

[ahenson]

As for the Dell UltraSharp, I just tested a few of those (21.5" and 24") compared to the HP 24" LP2475W and the HP looks great in comparison. If you are looking non-Apple in the sub-ACD price range, I would definitely suggest the HP. B&H has it for the best price with no shipping: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/605961-REG/HP_Hewlett_Packard_KD911A8_ABA_LP2475w_24_LCD_Computer.html

[Dr.Pants]

Doesn't HP have the newer ZR24W or something along those lines that was meant to replace the 2475W?

[jjahshik32]

I'm still waiting for the 27" cinema display.

C'MON ALREADY!!! :mad::mad::mad:

[Full of Win]

I'd be surprised if Apple replaced the 30" ACD with a 27" one. The loss in screen size and resolution would not be seen as worth it to a lot of professionals - particularly those that have been using 30" ACDs for six years now. My guess is that Apple is holding off until it can produce a 30"+ display. Possibly 32" with a resolution superior to that of the 30" ACD. Possibly 2844x1600 or even 3072x1728. 2560x1600 was a limitation of the DVI spec. Display port can go a fair bit higher - up to 3840x2160x30bpp@60Hz. With matte as an option.

I think it all comes down to the sweetest of the transition metals...I'm talking about Mercury of course. I don't see Apple introducing a new Mercury containing product, which means its would need to be LED. AFAIK, there is not a current maker of an LED back panel the size needed for the direct replacement of the 30 inch ACD. The closes is the LED backlight used in the 27 inch iMac. Apple might special order one I guess, but I doubt it given their recent track record in the professional arena.

apple updates their ACD's once in a blue moon, so its not surprising that we're not seeing any sort of updates.

I picked up a 24" ACD last March and was chastised because the 27" was around the corner

The current 30 inch has been around for about ~20% of the ENTIRE HISTORY of Apple!

[Spanky Deluxe]

I think it all comes down to the sweetest of the transition metals...I'm talking about Mercury of course. I don't see Apple introducing a new Mercury containing product, which means its would need to be LED. AFAIK, there is not a current maker of an LED back panel the size needed for the direct replacement of the 30 inch ACD. The closes is the LED backlight used in the 27 inch iMac. Apple might special order one I guess, but I doubt it given their recent track record in the professional arena.

I don't think that's necessarily true - LED backlit LCD TVs have been on the market for a good while now in sizes far over 27". The tricky part would be the manufacture of panels with such a high resolution. Mind you, I don't remember hearing about panels capable of displaying as many pixels as the 30", 24" and even all the way back to the 22" ACDs. As far as I'm aware, they were all Apple firsts.

I would be very surprised if the 30" wasn't replaced when the new Mac Pros finally emerge, which should mean in the very near future after the 5xxx driver release. Mind you, I was convinced that the ACDs would be replaced when the 2008 and 2009 Mac Pros were both released!

[Full of Win]

I don't think that's necessarily true - LED backlit LCD TVs have been on the market for a good while now in sizes far over 27". The tricky part would be the manufacture of panels with such a high resolution. Mind you, I don't remember hearing about panels capable of displaying as many pixels as the 30", 24" and even all the way back to the 22" ACDs. As far as I'm aware, they were all Apple firsts.

I would be very surprised if the 30" wasn't replaced when the new Mac Pros finally emerge, which should mean in the very near future after the 5xxx driver release. Mind you, I was convinced that the ACDs would be replaced when the 2008 and 2009 Mac Pros were both released!

You are right, never thought about the TV LED's. The next question becomes are they available in a wide enough gamut to be used professionally. The 27 inch LED for the iMac is 72% of the Adobe colorspace I think. The Dell professional monitors are 100%+ colorspace, but they use fluorescent tubes. Back in the day, it seems that Apple cared more about things like this, they were on the cutting edge of monitor design. The only panel I don't think they were first to market with was the 23 inch, because I think HP beat them by a few months using the same LG IPS panel.

[ahenson]

Doesn't HP have the newer ZR24W or something along those lines that was meant to replace the 2475W?

The Z is an S-IPS and the L is an H-IPS. Also, the Z is DVI-D while the L is DVI-I. It may be meant to replace it, but I do not know. :)

[skyline r34]

I'm still going to wait it out for the larger LED Cinema Display, rumor was that the 27" inch LED suppose to be released in June and June came and went I stop believing rumor sites along time ago unless Apple makes announcement then I will believe it, Did Apple say their developing a 27" LED nope we got the info off of a rumor site. There might be a updated 30" inch who knows just have to wait out if you can. On Apple site the 30" inch normally ships in 24 hrs but now it takes 5-7 business days and it's been saying that for months now my guess supplies ate running low on the current 30" inch cinema. Maybe the new displays will be out when Mac Pro's are released and rumored ATi 5000 and Nvidia's 480 GTX may have something do with the delay but all I know I've been waiting for 2yrs and if waited that long I can wait some more

[highres]

I've been using my 30" ACD since June '05 and it has performed great with no problems even with long 16-18 hour days sometimes.

However for the $3,000 I paid then, you could buy TWO of these now. Same resolution, good quality and more connection options. It's a no brainer.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001JI92KQ/ref=ord_cart_shr?ie=UTF8&m=A390UBG7U8N15O

[eponym]

As far as I know Dell Ultrasharp displays use the same good quality (or did at one time, anyway) LG-made IPS panels as Apple does.

But that doesn't mean they perform exactly the same. Other hardware differences (like supporting VGA) can negatively affect the performance. Check out C.Net's review of the two 30" displays from a couple of years ago.

Saying the Apple ones are overpriced is flat out wrong. The extra $300 between the 24" ACD and 24" Ultrasharp Dell gets you:

LED backlight
Built-in Webcam + Mic
Built-in Speakers
MBP power supply
Nicer industrial design

^ If you don't need that stuff (or you want direct HDMI), by all means, get a Dell. Hell, I just ordered an Ultrasharp on Monday. But ACDs are still as good a value as a Dell.

[TennisandMusic]

As far as I know Dell Ultrasharp displays use the same good quality (or did at one time, anyway) LG-made IPS panels as Apple does.

But that doesn't mean they perform exactly the same. Other hardware differences (like supporting VGA) can negatively affect the performance. Check out C.Net's review of the two 30" displays from a couple of years ago.

Saying the Apple ones are overpriced is flat out wrong. The extra $300 between the 24" ACD and 24" Ultrasharp Dell gets you:

LED backlight
Built-in Webcam + Mic
Built-in Speakers
MBP power supply
Nicer industrial design

^ If you don't need that stuff (or you want direct HDMI), by all means, get a Dell. Hell, I just ordered an Ultrasharp on Monday. But ACDs are still as good a value as a Dell.

Don't forget you also get a mirror with the Apple version. :p

[ouimetnick]

That's exactly my experience. I used to work with 30" ACDs quite a lot and I have almost completely shifted to Dell. They are nice to look at (the 3008 WFP coming in brushed aluminum), very adjustable, have a ton of different inputs (sure you can get an external card reader and a ton of adapters, but its quite nice to actually hook it all up to the display and be done with it) and they come with pretty good warranty options (you can get deals with 5 years without paying extra) at a nice price.
You don't have to carry the thing to an Apple Store in case it breaks, someone will come by and slap a new (!) one on your desk the very next day.

I'm in no way a Dell fan, I hate their laptops and the quality they offer there (my girlfriends' laptop had to be repaired 4 times to fix a broken lcd) but with standalone displays and especially the 3008 WFP, they are awesome.
Especially when you can get the same panel with 5 year pixel warranty for half of the ACDs price. Now that Apple logo just can't be worth that much.

It seems like the OP doesn't like Dell's monitors because the casing the screen is enclosed in looks like crap.:rolleyes: I do think Apple puts some okay hardware into beautiful design cases and they sell so well. The MBP 13" is in a beautiful case, but has OUTDATED slow hardware, yet it sells like hotcakes.

[sparkie7]

It seems like the OP doesn't like Dell's monitors because the casing the screen is enclosed in looks like crap.:rolleyes: I do think Apple puts some okay hardware into beautiful design cases and they sell so well. The MBP 13" is in a beautiful case, but has OUTDATED slow hardware, yet it sells like hotcakes.

Guilty as charged :p I looked at the alu Dell's -- but their product design and styling sucks eggs, a black stand on an alu frame?!? c'mon :confused:

[reel2reel]

Guilty as charged :p I looked at the alu Dell's -- but their product design and styling sucks eggs, a black stand on an alu frame?!? c'mon :confused:

I guess if you define your self by your monitor, you should just wait. Maybe Apple will design something that meets your aesthetic standards. Maybe you should work for Apple (unless your only skill is complaining?) and design the next 30".

I love my Dell 30", though. It actually doesn't look bad at all. In fact, it's very understated, which is what I like, so it doesn't scream for attention. My comfort and work output is far more important than a stupid monitor design. But that's just me. I also prefer the Dell b/c it has USB ports and a card reader on the side. And I can swivel it and raise it up or down.

Good luck with your quest to fill that void. :)

[dgookin]

30" Retina Display

[maghemi]

30" Retina Display

Oh wow... is that Hell I see freezing over?!

[ValSalva]

30" Retina Display

That would be the $20,000 30" Apple Retina Display :D

[Hellhammer]

30" Retina Display

According to sammich's PPI graph (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=10505516&postcount=20), the 30" display would need a resolution of 3840x2400 to achieve the PPI of 150. Human eye cannot see individual pixels from 2 feet, which is the recommended viewing distance when the PPI is over 150. 300 PPI for 1 foot etc. 7680x4800 would get the PPI over 300 but as mentioned in the thread I linked, the viewing distance plays a huge role.

Anyway, due the lack of resolution independence, such high resolutions would be totally useless.

[ValSalva]

Anyway, due the lack of resolution independence, such high resolutions would be totally useless.

Exactly. Text and menus would be so small that one would need to be a foot from the screen. Not very practical at all.