Anybody read the iTunes Terms and Conditions?

[hajime]

Hello. My iPod Touch indicates that there are 7 updates from the App Store. When I tried to download the updates, I got a message saying that the iTunes Terms & Conditions Have Changed. It required me to read and accept the new terms and conditions before it would allow me to download. There are totally 57 pages. Anybody read the whole thing? Is it risky to just press Agree? I only use free applications. I don't want to end up paying... Thanks.

[Gator24765]

who would ever seriously read that ****

[nelsencaleb]

Hello. My iPod Touch indicates that there are 7 updates from the App Store. When I tried to download the updates, I got a message saying that the iTunes Terms & Conditions Have Changed. It required me to read and accept the new terms and conditions before it would allow me to download. There are totally 57 pages. Anybody read the whole thing? Is it risky to just press Agree? I only use free applications. I don't want to end up paying... Thanks.

I believe you will be OK. Don't read it, just scroll down and accept it.

[macbookairman]

Yeah, just agree. Nothing bad is going to happen.
Usually it says at the very top what has changed....thats really the only part worth reading.

[hajime]

Thanks. I hope that Steve did not put "Will you Marry Me?" in the middle of the Terms and Conditions.

[wad11656]

Thanks. I hope that Steve did not put "Will you Marry Me?" in the middle of the Terms and Conditions.

ha ha lyk wut??

[Tulipone]

Certainly you should check what the changes are. I wish we could be explicitly told what changes there are rather than trying to decipher 57 pages of lawyer talk to find out what we are being caught for.

[The Wise One]

Hello. My iPod Touch indicates that there are 7 updates from the App Store. When I tried to download the updates, I got a message saying that the iTunes Terms & Conditions Have Changed. It required me to read and accept the new terms and conditions before it would allow me to download. There are totally 57 pages. Anybody read the whole thing? Is it risky to just press Agree? I only use free applications. I don't want to end up paying... Thanks.

Believe Me just Press accept its not worth wasting ur time reading 57 pages of blah.. blah.. blah.., and just agreeing doesnt mean you have to pay anything unlessu buy a paid for application
U welcome x:apple:

[skunk]

If there's anything dodgy buried in those 57 pages, it probably wouldn't stand up in court anyway.

[damson34]

haha. I think this is the first time I've seen a thread from macrumors used in a media story! There are probably others that I missed.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/web/05/06/itunes.terms/index.html?hpt=T2

[mutchy126]

I never read it all, Just read a bit at the Top, That is all that is Important! :)

[Apollo231]

I had to share this with this group, I saw an episode of South Park that talked about the dangerous of not reading the iTunes Terms and Conditions... enjoy :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHzzdmaUxsI

:eek:

[Big-TDI-Guy]

Yet further evidence that anything we say on the internet, may echo for eternity...

Also - 110% for highlighting what changes apply - and what about options if we don't agree? Why can't we opt out of specific areas we may not agree with? It's digital - accept EVERYTHING, or go (#* yourself. Thank you, but I live an analogue world.

[mutchy126]

I had to share this with this group, I saw an episode of South Park that talked about the dangerous of not reading the iTunes Terms and Conditions... enjoy :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHzzdmaUxsI

:eek:

Thats a Good One! :)

[Airforcekid]

I always read it twice just to be safe:cool:

[Dr Kevorkian94]

someone is reacting to that south park episode:D

[macbookairman]

haha. I think this is the first time I've seen a thread from macrumors used in a media story! There are probably others that I missed.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/web/05/06/itunes.terms/index.html?hpt=T2

I was reading CNN on my iPhone the other day when I came across that article. I'm telling you I about had a heart attack when I saw I was quoted...it was so unexpected.

[YanniDepp]

someone is reacting to that south park episode:D
It was a good episode.

[MacBoobsPro]

If there's 57 pages, its for a reason. They aren't going to write fluff for the sake of it. They are clearing themselves of any liability and making sure you understand what you are agreeing to.

[Mobius 1]

anybody read that part with the ban to make weapons and nuclear bombs with itunes?

i made one >:D

[NutsNGum]

Don't worry, several million people have managed to use it without being assimilated by the cybermen, despite it the terms and conditions stating on page 38 that cybermen are legally with their rights to invade your house and kill your entire family with 48 hours of you signing into iTunes for the first time.

If you happen to see one in your garden during this time, my advice would be to throw cats at it, as they are known to be heavily allergic.

[bigjnyc]

Thanks. I hope that Steve did not put "Will you Marry Me?" in the middle of the Terms and Conditions.

ha ha you wish he did. The guy is a billionaire and he might be on his way out soon.

[freskyrobin]

your fine just accpet nothing will happen really i never read it half of it has nothing to do with the user itself yuor fine

[whooleytoo]

If there's anything dodgy buried in those 57 pages, it probably wouldn't stand up in court anyway.

I don't know how true that is.

There's something fundamentally silly about presenting users with a 57 page contract that probably < 1% will read, and of that 1% only a minority would be qualified to understand it and the full legal implications of every term.

What is the point in having a contract which one party doesn't read or understand? The point of the contract is to confirm agreement, but how can you have agreement if one side doesn't even know to what they're agreeing?

The T&Cs might as well be written in Swahili.

[thejadedmonkey]

Go to an apple store with all 57 pages printed out, and ask one of the workers to clarify a clause :p

Also, you're not able to use iTunes to control a nuclear reactor, fyi. It's in the T&C ;)

[iStudentUK]

What is the point in having a contract which one party doesn't read or understand? The point of the contract is to confirm agreement, but how can you have agreement if one side doesn't even know to what they're agreeing?

It's a long established rule of contract law that if you sign it you agree to it, with a couple of narrow exceptions. Technically people are free to read it and get legal advice on it, of course nobody does!

Fortunately, many jurisdictions have limitations on what can go into a consumer contracts as they know about these issues. The law helps restrict what is valid in the T&Cs and what is not, it's not perfect but it's better than nothing.

[whooleytoo]

It's a long established rule of contract law that if you sign it you agree to it, with a couple of narrow exceptions. Technically people are free to read it and get legal advice on it, of course nobody does!

Fortunately, many jurisdictions have limitations on what can go into a consumer contracts as they know about these issues. The law helps restrict what is valid in the T&Cs and what is not, it's not perfect but it's better than nothing.

It's very worrying that now it's become more or less accepted that most people don't/won't read/understand long T&C contracts but will just agree to them to get at what they want; because - as you say - the contracts are binding regardless of whether you understand them or not.

It gives companies a lot of license to bias the contract greatly in their favour without the customer ever even knowing.

The Terms & Conditions SHOULD be easily readable by the person agreeing to them, otherwise what's the point?

[iStudentUK]

It gives companies a lot of license to bias the contract greatly in their favour without the customer ever even knowing.

The Terms & Conditions SHOULD be easily readable by the person agreeing to them, otherwise what's the point?

I agree, it's a balancing act. We can't have a defence of "I didn't understand" as it's their fault, but equally we can't have it so complex that there is no chance of understanding.

Although the current system isn't great, it's not all bad news. If a contract is deliberately difficult to read in order to be confusing that won't stand up. Also, if a clause is ambiguous it will be interpreted in the most favourable way for the person who didn't write it. The EU also has a regulation that means contracts with consumers should be written in as plain, intelligible language as possible.

I'd guess there are clauses Apple has written that could be challenged if anyone really wanted to. Two years ago the Office of Fair Trading 'persuaded' Apple to change its UK T&Cs on the UK Apple Store to make them comply with the law.