safari sucks

[darkwing]

Anyone else notice that Safari is complete and total crap? If I go to a webpage with a lot of animated graphics (like any article on fox news, for example) it spins the CPU (and apple's inefficient WindowServer isn't much help either) at 100% which is beyond ridiculous for sitting there reading the news. On a PC, the same page takes 2-4% of the CPU. That's a 2 ghz P4 or whatever they have at school. I loathe windows but I do like how Internet Explorer can show me a page without making the cpu hot, unlike my rev C 17" powerbook get hot.

Is there any way to fix this? The problem may be something to do with the way some of the ads on some sites scroll. I noticed a lookup today on www.snopes.com spinning my CPU as well.

Steve

[Veldek]

Well, I wouldn't say that Safari is total crap, but I noticed the same. When there's a moving newsticker, Safari takes 90% CPU. When I scroll down the page and the newsticker isn't visible anymore, it goes back to the normal 10% or so. That's something that has to be fixed!

[Thirteenva]

Try firefox.

[iGary]

I've been using Safari from the start, and it has come a long way.

Try Firefox, or use the most unsecure browser on the market: Internet Explorer.

[darkwing]

Well, I wouldn't say that Safari is total crap, but I noticed the same. When there's a moving newsticker, Safari takes 90% CPU. When I scroll down the page and the newsticker isn't visible anymore, it goes back to the normal 10% or so. That's something that has to be fixed!

Hi Veldek. In my case, I notice that it doens't matter if the ticker is on the screen or not. It always eats the CPU. I close that browser window and the CPU usage drops.

Steve

[darkwing]

Gary and Thirteenva,

I've tried Firefox and Camino and they both do the same thing. Total CPU hogs.

Maybe the problem is me?

Steve

[Zaty]

I believe the high cpu usage is not caused by the browser itself, certain plug-ins such as the macromedia flash player are not very well adopted for Mac OS X.

[Thirteenva]

Gary and Thirteenva,

I've tried Firefox and Camino and they both do the same thing. Total CPU hogs.

Maybe the problem is me?

Steve

It's possible... can you give a link to the page in question, I have about 6 different browsers on my machine right now (for testing our web app's compatibility) I'll open it in each of them.

[iGary]

Safari's cache also eats memory (RAM) I often empty it while I am working on heavy applications. I've had it hog as much as 200mb of RAM for cache.

That's my only real gripe with Safari anymore.

[darkwing]

It's possible... can you give a link to the page in question, I have about 6 different browsers on my machine right now (for testing our web app's compatibility) I'll open it in each of them.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,139041,00.html

This is just the latest example. A previous poster was correct. When I move the scrolling text thing off the screen, the cpu usage drops. I was mistaken in saying it says high until I close the window.

This page uses 90+% of my cpu with Safari.

Steve

[iceTrX]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,139041,00.html

This is just the latest example. A previous poster was correct. When I move the scrolling text thing off the screen, the cpu usage drops. I was mistaken in saying it says high until I close the window.

This page uses 90+% of my cpu with Safari.

Steve

When its in the background its like 4% CPU usage, but when its foremost I get around 20-50% CPU usage (on a 1Ghz Alu PowerBook)]

EDIT: I'm using Safari 1.2.4 on 10.3.6

[darkwing]

When its in the background its like 4% CPU usage, but when its foremost I get around 20-50% CPU usage (on a 1Ghz Alu PowerBook)]

EDIT: I'm using Safari 1.2.4 on 10.3.6

Even with the page scrolled all the way up? I notice it slows in the background, but with that "Your World" scroller at the top it takes 90+% on my 1.5 ghz Alu 17".

I'm using the same as you.

Steve

[jeremy.king]

For reference.

26-28% on my P4 3.0 ghz with 1 GB running Firefox 1.0

Seems like the developers at Fox should scale back the site a little.

[continuum]

maybe someone can help me.... as of about two weeks ago i have to try to load a web page twice before it will actually load. the address is in the address bar and safari will give me the drop down error message that the page could not be loaded, i hit enter on the address bar and bam! the page loads. about 90% of the time i have to try twice before a page will load....

i emptied the cache...didn't help...wasn't even sure if it would.

[markjones05]

Anyone else notice that Safari is complete and total crap? If I go to a webpage with a lot of animated graphics (like any article on fox news, for example) it spins the CPU (and apple's inefficient WindowServer isn't much help either) at 100% which is beyond ridiculous for sitting there reading the news. On a PC, the same page takes 2-4% of the CPU. That's a 2 ghz P4 or whatever they have at school. I loathe windows but I do like how Internet Explorer can show me a page without making the cpu hot, unlike my rev C 17" powerbook get hot.

Is there any way to fix this? The problem may be something to do with the way some of the ads on some sites scroll. I noticed a lookup today on www.snopes.com spinning my CPU as well.

Steve

lol you know something your right, i dont know why i keep using it! Its total ******** that i have to wait like 9 minutes for a ****in gif graphic at the top on a webpage to load when IE or Firefox loads it in 2 seconds. Apple better start fixing this Safari ****.

[iGary]

The whole page loads almost instantly for me...


*shrug*

[darkwing]

For reference.

26-28% on my P4 3.0 ghz with 1 GB running Firefox 1.0

Seems like the developers at Fox should scale back the site a little.

I agree with you there. Their new "look" sucks.

I don't have this problem on cnn.com or msnbc.

Steve

[darkwing]

maybe someone can help me.... as of about two weeks ago i have to try to load a web page twice before it will actually load. the address is in the address bar and safari will give me the drop down error message that the page could not be loaded, i hit enter on the address bar and bam! the page loads. about 90% of the time i have to try twice before a page will load....

i emptied the cache...didn't help...wasn't even sure if it would.

I have this same problem! Thank you for reminding me. It was happening before 10.3.5. I meant to mention this as well in the thread. I can't find any reason for it. It says it can't find the host almost instantly, and then I have to hit return again and it loads right up!

Steve

[nbs2]

The whole page loads almost instantly for me...


*shrug*

same here

[gekko513]

It's not just Safari that has problems with all the animations.

The problem is the Flash plug-ins, methinks. Someone (Macromedia? or Apple?) should really optimize the Flash player.

[gekko513]

The Fox news site uses 50% on my AMD 2700+, 1GB RAM with Firefox.

That is just too much. :eek:

[darkwing]

The Fox news site uses 50% on my AMD 2700+, 1GB RAM with Firefox.

That is just too much. :eek:

I noticed only 16% on that same page with a p4 machine here at work using internet explorer on windows. It ran as well there as it does on my 1.5 ghz g5.

The site is crazy, but they aren't the only site I have this issue on.

Steve

[vwcruisn]

Anyone else notice that Safari is complete and total crap? If I go to a webpage with a lot of animated graphics (like any article on fox news, for example) it spins the CPU (and apple's inefficient WindowServer isn't much help either) at 100% which is beyond ridiculous for sitting there reading the news. On a PC, the same page takes 2-4% of the CPU. That's a 2 ghz P4 or whatever they have at school. I loathe windows but I do like how Internet Explorer can show me a page without making the cpu hot, unlike my rev C 17" powerbook get hot.

Is there any way to fix this? The problem may be something to do with the way some of the ads on some sites scroll. I noticed a lookup today on www.snopes.com spinning my CPU as well.

Steve

1st things first.. before solving this problem, you must solve the more serious problem... stop watching/reading fox news!!!! :rolleyes:

[darkwing]

1st things first.. before solving this problem, you must solve the more serious problem... stop watching/reading fox news!!!! :rolleyes:

:D I admit I used that example just to generate comments. ;)

Steve

[maxterpiece]

maybe people are getting different results because they are using different versions of flash ...?

[darkwing]

maybe people are getting different results because they are using different versions of flash ...?

How do I find out if fox is using flash? I don't know anything about websites. I always made it a point to avoid learning about it.

Steve

[gekko513]

If you right click (at least in Firefox on Windows) on a picture or animation on a web-page you get a menu with an "About Macromedia Flash Player ..." item if it's flash content.

[shidoshi]

I have this same problem! Thank you for reminding me. It was happening before 10.3.5. I meant to mention this as well in the thread. I can't find any reason for it. It says it can't find the host almost instantly, and then I have to hit return again and it loads right up!

I'm having this problem as well, but for me, I wasn't having it at all until I upgraded to 10.3.6. At least, I can't remember having the problem until recently, which is when I did the update.

[darkwing]

If you right click (at least in Firefox on Windows) on a picture or animation on a web-page you get a menu with an "About Macromedia Flash Player ..." item if it's flash content.

Yeah you're right. It is flash. In fact when I right click on that, the cpu usage goes away. In fact I have noticed that flash games seem to eat the CPU for some reason on OSX but not on Windows. I guess it's Macromedia's fault. :)

Steve

[wrldwzrd89]

You know what I don't like about Safari? The false error "Safari could not open (blah) because it could not load any data from this location". If I try again, it always works. BTW, that Fox News page sends my CPU usage to 100% - and it stays that way as long as that Flash graphic is onscreen.

[Alexandernap]

On the Apple discussion boards there is quite a bit of info on how to stop this. I reupdated the latest Java update which stopped Safari from doing this for a couple hours. It then eturned to doing it. Many suggest putting your DNS servce address in Internet preferences. (Not sure on this exactly)

[jackieonasses]

You know what I don't like about Safari? The false error "Safari could not open (blah) because it could not load any data from this location". If I try again, it always works. BTW, that Fox News page sends my CPU usage to 100% - and it stays that way as long as that Flash graphic is onscreen. I thought it was safari too- but my whole machine does it. albeit less frequently. IE does it and so does Safari

[broken_keyboard]

Another thing that is really slow is secure log-in pages. When I log in to .Mac on my G5 it is very slow and the fans start revving.

I thought .Mac was just like that, but it is actually Safari. The same log in window comes up in a flash on IE6/Win2k.

[broken_keyboard]

You know what I don't like about Safari? The false error "Safari could not open (blah) because it could not load any data from this location". If I try again, it always works.

Yes, I have experienced that too...
According to AppleInsider, the 10.3.7 update includes a new "lookupd," I would be willing to bet that it fixes this problem.

[apple2991]

The whole thing works fine for me. Weird...

[continuum]

seems to be a common occurence..... ah well, i'm sure it will be fixed some day soon. i still refuse to use IE....leaves a bad taste on my fingertips..

[wrldwzrd89]

Yes, I have experienced that too...
According to AppleInsider, the 10.3.7 update includes a new "lookupd," I would be willing to bet that it fixes this problem.
That's encouraging to hear, broken_keyboard. I look forward to Mac OS X 10.3.7!

[markjones05]

i still refuse to use IE....leaves a bad taste on my fingertips..

HAHA amen to that.

[andiwm2003]

The whole thing works fine for me. Weird...

same here.

working on PB G4, 1.5 GH, 512MB,comcast broadband. haven't discovered any slow website yet. that includes the fox-s(h)ite.

in general the web seems to be faster than my IE, win2k at work.

maybe your systems are screwed up?

andi

[zen_state]

the more I use firefox the more I love it. only time I open safari any longer is to load the 1 in 500 pages firefox won't (well properly anyway).

they both have speed advantages in different ways. safari seems to open faster and load pages a tad faster but I find the overall app related tasks faster on firefox by far. firefox also seems to scroll about twice as fast as safari which is very nice.

[Diatribe]

That's encouraging to hear, broken_keyboard. I look forward to Mac OS X 10.3.7!

Now it just needs to be released before xmas :D

[siliconjones]

thats what you get for going to fox news.

[Timelessblur]

I say get firefox and dump safirai.

On my AMD 64 3000 XP system
As for reporting on the fox news sit it was using 25-35% cpu useage on Firefox.

IE on the other had was using 3-10% on the same site.

[markjones05]

The only thing i dont like about firefox is that useless window that appears when you push F9 in expose to view all windows. It makes me feel like there is something running in the background that i dont know about.

[edesignuk]

The only thing i dont like about firefox is that useless window that appears when you push F9 in expose to view all windows. It makes me feel like there is something running in the background that i dont know about.
I thought with 1.0 that had now gone?

[Timelessblur]

I thought with 1.0 that had now gone?
it does just people refuse to relieze this. it looks are by default very windows like but that way it is skinable and you can make it mac like

[markjones05]

I thought with 1.0 that had now gone?

Maybe im not up to date.
:rolleyes:

[dragula53]

I posted this elsewhere.. but opera kicks serious butt.

I have never tried it before this week, but it is a much more finely tuned browser than firefox, though at a price.

its implementation of themes is superior to any other browser out there. once you get used to shortcuts being different, it is just an excellent browsing experience.

I have no vested interest in any browser whatsoever, just looking for something that handles all my needs, doesn't crash, looks good, and has the fewest bugs.

personally, I would like to see omniweb get better, as it has my favorite interface with the nifty thumbnail tabs.

however, until such a day, opera it is for me.

moo

[markjones05]

I posted this elsewhere.. but opera kicks serious butt.

I have never tried it before this week, but it is a much more finely tuned browser than firefox, though at a price.

its implementation of themes is superior to any other browser out there. once you get used to shortcuts being different, it is just an excellent browsing experience.

I have no vested interest in any browser whatsoever, just looking for something that handles all my needs, doesn't crash, looks good, and has the fewest bugs.

personally, I would like to see omniweb get better, as it has my favorite interface with the nifty thumbnail tabs.

however, until such a day, opera it is for me.

moo

Can u post a screenshot of opera?

[dragula53]

this one happens to be the skin "tobstheatre blue"

[KrysBaz]

after the recent update I have had nothing but trouble with safari.
Cannot load data errors, random applcication has quite unexpectidly, spinning beachball, it's driving me mad.

Hopefully 10.3.7 might sort out this instability.

Prior to the upgrade: safari was great, haven't tried firefox yet, bit becomming increasingly curious

[wrldwzrd89]

after the recent update I have had nothing but trouble with safari.
Cannot load data errors, random applcication has quite unexpectidly, spinning beachball, it's driving me mad.

Hopefully 10.3.7 might sort out this instability.

Prior to the upgrade: safari was great, haven't tried firefox yet, bit becomming increasingly curious
I'm getting the cannot load data error too on my Safari in 10.3.6, but it doesn't occur all the time, just intermittently. I too hope that Mac OS X 10.3.7 will make this annoying error message go away.

[maya]

1st: I am not getting any long load time with the fox and the other site that was posted. It could be you internet connection.

2nd: safari is only taking a lot of cpu for these sites since they are "TUNED" for IE :rolleyes: bogus to be honest and retarded. I don't think these sites are using open standards for all they content and or it could also be flash that is part of this mess.

3rd: why are you reading FOX NEWS? :p

4th: it could be the X.3.6 update or something else, hope whatever problem all of you affected ones have is fixed in the next update.

I still like Safari over FireFox since it loads pages faster, scrolling was never an issue on my system. :)

[dragula53]

to complain about sites not being standard compliant...

and to justify poor performance somehow..

That doesn't actually change any rendering speeds. And as a minority <2% of the browser market, there is no incentive for anybody to bother recoding their sites.

Firefox is making headway, but that isn't the same rendering engine as safari either.

Use what works best, not what you feel loyalty to.

moo

[wrldwzrd89]

to complain about sites not being standard compliant...

and to justify poor performance somehow..

That doesn't actually change any rendering speeds. And as a minority <2% of the browser market, there is no incentive for anybody to bother recoding their sites.

Firefox is making headway, but that isn't the same rendering engine as safari either.

Use what works best, not what you feel loyalty to.

moo
For rendering purposes, I'd lump Safari, Shiira, OmniWeb, and all other WebKit/WebCore-based browsers together with Netscape, Mozilla, Firefox, and all other Gecko-based browsers, since, generally speaking, anything that works in a WebKit browser also works in a Gecko browser. How does a 20-25% combined market share for the whole group sound to you?

[Timelessblur]

That sounds about right and firefox controling over 20% of them.

In the end with the browswer wars have quited down Sarfai will still not be on anyone radar as a browser. Even is 100% mac users uses Sarfai you still talking a 3-4% market share and you all know a lot of mac uses do not use Sarfai.

The 3 big players when it all said in done will be IE, Firefox and Oprea. With firefox and IE leading the way. The nativic OSX browser will not even be considered due to lack of users