If you saw what is considered a 'small' soda at an AMC theater in NYC, you could see why it's not a bad idea. And before you start with some personal freedom nonsense, freedom, like everything else has a cost.
Who's handing out weapons? (besides Switzerland)
So do you think it's difficult to obtain a gun in NYC? How about the UK? Nope, if I want one, I will get one. Drugs like crack are illegal here in my city but I can easily go find it or be linked up with sources if I wanted it. Same with just about anything illegal. Now imagine if I was into that type of thing or crime. It's not making any more difficult for those with ill intent. Not at all.
I would also challenge you that a gun is the most effective way to kill someone. The recent CT Shooting.....the kid could have killed more with a simple home made bomb than firing off an AR15 like he did. I can also just as easily and more effectively kill you with a knife vs a gun. Want to rob a petrol station without a gun, give me a glass of gasoline and a lighter, splash the clerk and demand money. $5 says they give it to you.
Guns aren't assisting in murders. Again, do live in the UK where owning a gun is not allowed?....great....I'm a bad guy with a gun and I kick in your front door and have near ZERO to fear. Not so here in the states. Not even close.
US National Crime Victimization Survey, Department of Justice
The reason I noted the facts on the US as I did at the end of page 8 and my post is like you, I won't speak of the UK stats as the study has since I can only really stand for those in the US. I agree with lots of variables involved.
However, the stats on violent crime per capita by countries is pretty well known and available. I'll let you choose the research platform. However, just as with states here in the US with "tough" gun laws, disarming the citizens doesn't protect them. Nor will it in sure the governments will.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...73/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-of-Europe.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ry-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html
2010 Statistics on Rape in UK vs US per 100,000 (source UN Rape Statistics)
UK 28.8
US: 27.3
Again, hitting home for me and why I enjoy our laws vs yours, is I have a family of 4 and if anyone enters my home against my will / uninvited, I can shoot and kill them with zero issues. I do not have to retreat nor do they have to be armed. If they are in my home against my will, I am allowed by law to believe they have the intent to harm my family. In Ohio, it also now includes if I'm in my vehicle.
In the UK, you're sitting ducks and if you do pull a gun to defend your family, you'll go to jail for 5yrs. IMO, that's dumb. Wife and I are well armed and while wouldn't not go so far as to say we have no fear, I bet two armed home owners vs even multiple attackers stand a far better chance of being safe vs if we lived in the UK under similar circumstances.
Personal freedom nonsense? Freedom has a cost in regard to how large your soft drink can be? Wow. You are not an American.
Again, hitting home for me and why I enjoy our laws vs yours, is I have a family of 4 and if anyone enters my home against my will / uninvited, I can shoot and kill them with zero issues. I do not have to retreat nor do they have to be armed. If they are in my home against my will, I am allowed by law to believe they have the intent to harm my family. In Ohio, it also now includes if I'm in my vehicle.
In the UK, you're sitting ducks and if you do pull a gun to defend your family, you'll go to jail for 5yrs. IMO, that's dumb. Wife and I are well armed and while wouldn't not go so far as to say we have no fear, I bet two armed home owners vs even multiple attackers stand a far better chance of being safe vs if we lived in the UK under similar circumstances.
So ... you believe that an iphone is worth taking a life? Okay.
Good thing even law enforcement in the US doesn't believe what this guy is spouting and won't hesitate to drop murder charges on him if he does go through with his Internet tough guy act IRL.
Personal freedom nonsense? Freedom has a cost in regard to how large your soft drink can be? Wow. You are not an American.
Good thing even law enforcement in the US doesn't believe what this guy is spouting and won't hesitate to drop murder charges on him if he does go through with his Internet tough guy act IRL.
Your soft drink can be as large as you want it. There is no law against filling up your glass a 2nd time. Well, except the law of common sense and decency.
So ... you believe that an iphone is worth taking a life? Okay.
It's a carrier based policy, has nothing to do with Apple (same as Apple can't block a stolen MacBook from getting on the Internet). BTW, your information is outdated, AT&T now blocks stolen handsets, like Sprint and Verizon does :
http://blogs.denverpost.com/techknowbytes/2012/07/10/att-starts-blocking-stolen-phones/5331/
Who's handing out weapons? (besides Switzerland)
So do you think it's difficult to obtain a gun in NYC? How about the UK? Nope, if I want one, I will get one. Drugs like crack are illegal here in my city but I can easily go find it or be linked up with sources if I wanted it. Same with just about anything illegal. Now imagine if I was into that type of thing or crime. It's not making any more difficult for those with ill intent. Not at all.
I would also challenge you that a gun is the most effective way to kill someone. The recent CT Shooting.....the kid could have killed more with a simple home made bomb than firing off an AR15 like he did. I can also just as easily and more effectively kill you with a knife vs a gun. Want to rob a petrol station without a gun, give me a glass of gasoline and a lighter, splash the clerk and demand money. $5 says they give it to you.
Guns aren't assisting in murders. Again, do live in the UK where owning a gun is not allowed?....great....I'm a bad guy with a gun and I kick in your front door and have near ZERO to fear. Not so here in the states. Not even close.
US National Crime Victimization Survey, Department of Justice
The reason I noted the facts on the US as I did at the end of page 8 and my post is like you, I won't speak of the UK stats as the study has since I can only really stand for those in the US. I agree with lots of variables involved.
However, the stats on violent crime per capita by countries is pretty well known and available. I'll let you choose the research platform. However, just as with states here in the US with "tough" gun laws, disarming the citizens doesn't protect them. Nor will it in sure the governments will.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...73/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-of-Europe.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ry-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html
2010 Statistics on Rape in UK vs US per 100,000 (source UN Rape Statistics)
UK 28.8
US: 27.3
Again, hitting home for me and why I enjoy our laws vs yours, is I have a family of 4 and if anyone enters my home against my will / uninvited, I can shoot and kill them with zero issues. I do not have to retreat nor do they have to be armed. If they are in my home against my will, I am allowed by law to believe they have the intent to harm my family. In Ohio, it also now includes if I'm in my vehicle.
In the UK, you're sitting ducks and if you do pull a gun to defend your family, you'll go to jail for 5yrs. IMO, that's dumb. Wife and I are well armed and while wouldn't not go so far as to say we have no fear, I bet two armed home owners vs even multiple attackers stand a far better chance of being safe vs if we lived in the UK under similar circumstances.
Myth.
Fact: You are far more likely to survive a violent assault if you defend yourself with a gun. In episodes where a robbery victim was injured, the injury/defense rates were:
Resisting with a gun 6%
Did nothing at all 25%
Resisted with a knife 40%
Non-violent resistance 45%
(British Home Office not a pro-gun organization by any means)
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^^ on the surface one would think that makes sense, but the statistics prove otherwise. There are thousands of ways to kill people besides guns. The weapon has nothing to do with killing someone, it's the person using it. The only thing going to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Not just a cliche either. It's no different than banning fertilizer to stop your subway/train bombings.
Here's a more relevant stat than just a phone.
Fact: When a woman was armed with a gun or knife, only 3% of rape attacks are completed, compared to 32% when the woman was unarmed. That's a fact taken right from our very own U.S. Department of Justice Law Enforcement Assistance Administration studying victimization in 26 of our largest cities.
My own wife was confronted and nearly attacked back in 2007 outside her law practice....she slapped and pushed the attacker away, drew her Ruger LC9 and as soon as he saw the red dot about the size of a quarter from her site on his chest, he ran like a scalded cat.
True story and yes, she is armed every time she leaves the house. I'll never forget getting the call as she raced home. I don't leave without my CCW either.
Rape Rates 19952003 (per 100,000 pop.) as per US National Crime Victimization Survey, Department of Justice
United Kingdom
1995 43.3 vs
2005 69.2
+59.8 increase
United States
1995 37.1 vs
2005 32.1
-13.5 decrease
No surprise in the US as more and more woman are authorized to carry a firearm.
If any of this were true then why do we have so few firearms deaths in the UK? Are we just inherently much nicer people?
"In the UK, you're sitting ducks"
And we are still alive and our children can go to school.
Utter nonsense. You have to get near me first. And in terms of killing 20+ people, you have to get near them all first and deliver a fatal stab wound, or multiple wounds to enact the killing. The day before the CT shooting a guy went mad in China in a school with a knife - NOBODY died. There were some nasty injuries but NOBODY ded because he didn't have a gun!!
The history of warfare shows one irrefutable fact. The more technologically advanced the weapons used during war, the more deaths occur.
An automatic firearm is undeniably a much more efficient killing technology than a knife blade. If a nut job wants to go on a killing rampage he will kill more people with firearms than with a sharp blade. Simple.
The fact that you are self confessed armed and prepared to use it is a fundamental difference in your attitude and the culture of your nation as compared to the UK.
Everyone in the US is armed and prepared to use it, THAT is the problem. In the UK we find such attitudes disgusting and unacceptable.
So if I'm a nut job and I want to kill you but if all I have on me is some chewing gum and a packet of tissues then your life is just as at risk as if, instead, I was hiding in the trees armed with a high powered sniper rifle?
You asses the risk of death to you in those 2 scenarios as being equal? REALLY? Or do you just love guns?
It's significant that when you describe your wife's awful experience you say "drew her Ruger LC9" rather just "drew her gun" It shows the level of intimacy and obsession you have with firearms, you just love them.
And guess what, that is the root of your problem in the USA, an unhealthy obsession with firearms.
Believe what you want, if anyone breaks into my home or that of a gun owner, the odds are so dramatically in the odds of the home owner not being a "victim" vs in your nation, that it's not comparable. Perhaps you enjoy confrontations with people with knifes kicking in your door. I'll take being a few steps away from putting them down instead and not ever having to be in fear of being a victim.
Ask most Americans and I'll gladly take a higher crime rate involving the use of a gun vs a higher crime rate with the use of a knife when given the chance to even the odds and protect myself with a gun
Hmm. What about the person swiping your iphone is actually your nice uncle visiting for the holidays? What are you going to do, blow his brains out? Good luck with that nice long manslaughter charge.
That's the problem I have with you gun-nuts. The fact that you're bragging on the forum that you're ready to kill someone over an iphone just shows you have no regard for life. I'm American too FYI and I will never allow a gun in my home. But if someone like you gets shot with your own stockpile of firearms, I won't feel sorry for you. You live by your guns, you die by them as well.
Yeah, American here, this dude doesn't speak for all of us. In fact, despite what they say I highly doubt he/she speaks for the majority. The number of gun owners in America is no where near half, and of those that own a gun not all have proper training, or fired one remotely recently.
That said, I wouldn't want all guns banned. I grew up near one of Americas larger sets of forests, and hunting (in season) was popular. The occasional bear, cougar, and coyote was also commonly seen and raising sheep growing up we had a gun. We didn't have it to keep our TV from being stolen by killing another human, we kept it to protect the lambs from coyotes.
But I'm all for much tighter gun control, and fewer automatic weapons. America is well past the point of being able to overthrow the government using force assuming the police/national guard/military are controlled entirely by said government. But if the government really screws up they won't have control of all those people with all those guns, now will they?
Greatest city in the world, man.
Not for me, but man...hard to argue that it's not amazing.
As a matter of fact my DD10 will use her iPhone as well.
You have a robot which can use an iPhone?
Oh that will be fun. I bought my boyfriend an iPhone 5 for Christmas. Receipt is my name, apple care is under my name, Verizon account is under my name. He never bothered getting an apple id so iCloud is under one of mine and all his iTunes music and apps are under my Id.
So when I catch him with his pants around is ankles with another girl I can report his phone as stolen, lock it remotely, change the Verizon account password and my apple id password and screw him over.
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$20 and five minutes on iFixIt.com will get you the screwdrivers you need to open that puppy up and disconnect the battery.
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If its an AT&T there's big money selling them to the Asian resellers to send to China etc. the ones that don't have a connection at AT&T to white list the iPhone to be unlocked 'legally' will jailbreak and unlock. If they find one under warranty that is a little dinged up about three seconds in a microwave will short the power connectors and they will go in claiming they bought it from a friend and it doesn't turn on and then unlock that one
What a blanket and frankly, ignorant statement. Read the writings of Th. Jefferson, John Adams and James Madison and then you will understand where I gather my opinions from.
I'm pretty sure our founding fathers would laugh if told by law that they could not have a glass of ale larger than 16 ounces if they so desired. "I'm sorry sir, but by law we cannot serve glasses larger than <insert value>. " When the government starts making decisions for us, we begin losing our personal freedom to make our own decisions. That much should be apparent.
Ah, yes the blanket "personal freedom" statement, the signpost that you don't have a nuanced argument.