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Steve Wozniak Believes Apple Has Fallen 'Somewhat Behind' in Smartphones
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Are you kidding me? My 3GS is running iOS 6.1 (granted, some features missing) and I happen to own an iPad Mini, which is only missing the phone app compared to an iP5.
How does not owning the newest iPhone render me unable to survey the current market situation? Blogs and Youtube are flooded with in depth reviews about every bit of mobile tech there is in this world. Also this is not about complaining about a specific device, it is about the long term development of iOS and the iPhone in general.
I just can't comprehend your logic - I don't have to jump of a building to know it'll hurt, and I don't have to own every piece of new tech to be able to judge it.
I think this dude misses being involved in the running of Apple. Wasn't he meant to be moving to australia and getting citizenship as he was sick of the USA. More and more i read about Woz, the more pro android he seems to have become. When was the last time he said anything positive about Apple. I mean if he feels that Apple has fallen behind, then why does he not share his ideas with apple at http://www.apple.com/feedback/.
Sad but true... Apple is truly falling behind with its phone technology. Do you agree? I mean they're releasing "upgrades" that Andriod and/or Samsung's had available for some time. For god sakes, I want a 4.8" inch screen and I should have to go to Samsung to get it...
Somehow the "somewhat behind" is right, but only in some features that does not really put iOS device to shame. There is no really feature on Android that I'm crazy to have on my iPhone. They brag too much about customization buy I guess that's it, other than that they just show off those feature but they never actually used them. Some of those accessible features on Android are just 1 tap or swipe away with iOS, that's the reason why iOS UI is clean and simple. They say Android are for power users yet those people they root their devices so as iOS if you want to be a power user then jailbreak your device. The very reason why Android is ahead and their number of users is growing not because it's a better choice. The only reason which I also agree is that they have more choices and cheaper prices. There is no way Apple can beat this kind of market unless they decided to go the same path as Samsung.
Because he helped create Apple.
My real issue on him dumping on Apple is that he clearly doesn't agree with Apple's stance that this isn't a zero sum game and its okay for other companies to be successful. Because he doesn't get this detail he sees everything as a loss for Apple and that helps to spurn his notion that Apple has to design to compete, provide every possible choice for every possible user and so on.
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So perhaps we should say to him what we tend to say to the trolls. Put up or shut up. He thinks he knows how smart phones should be designed, then he should do it. Lets see how well the Woz phone does
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He might not talk about upcoming products (perhaps because he doesnt have sny) but he's happy to do talks, articles etc based on being 'the guy from Apple' so claiming eh doesn't get into the spotlight is a bit off
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'The best' being defined as ' how I think they should be done', rather like many forum posters
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You assume that Apple wants to maintain leadership, particularly if it means having to do things differently. With devices or computers.
And your bullet points are just the same 'they need to do it the way I think they should do it or utter fail' of the typical poster. You have nothing more than 'I think it's a good idea' or 'everyone else is doing it' to prove its a good idea, much less the right one for Apple.
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Your opinion, you are welcome to it and goody for you that it has worked out for you.
Many folks, myself included, have used such devices and thought they were utter garbage.
Share price says it all
just look at the share price
i'm an investor and held right into earnings... that was foolish with a small f
anyways, i still believe in apple and that Tim Cook will do well. he's made a massive reshuffle and the fruits from that should become evident. i have high hopes for the future UI of iOS and apple apps now that jonathan ive is in charge of that.
i guess we'll find out if apple can once again innovate and differentiate on the release of iOS 7.
iPhone is a great device, the software is behind as well as the typing features
several of the stupidest things, why can't you reply all to a calendar appointment to send everyone a note?
why can't you copy calendar events to other dates and times?
why is there no cursor control option on the keyboard or at least a shift+backspace for a forward delete... simple things like this are missing
FAIL
just look at the share price
i'm an investor and held right into earnings... that was foolish with a small f
anyways, i still believe in apple and that Tim Cook will do well. he's made a massive reshuffle and the fruits from that should become evident. i have high hopes for the future UI of iOS and apple apps now that jonathan ive is in charge of that.
i guess we'll find out if apple can once again innovate and differentiate on the release of iOS 7.
iPhone is a great device, the software is behind as well as the typing features
several of the stupidest things, why can't you reply all to a calendar appointment to send everyone a note?
why can't you copy calendar events to other dates and times?
why is there no cursor control option on the keyboard or at least a shift+backspace for a forward delete... simple things like this are missing
FAIL
Not Gospel, but he say's the truth. Apple loyalist just get a bent out of shape when some speaks against the Big Apple that's all.
Cause he had a critical opinion about the iPhone?
I bet if he praised it you'd love Woz eh?
I'm tired of all the fanboys saying how much Woz sucks just because his critical opinion of the iPhone and iOS.
Which means that other phones that are ahead of it are even more amazing.
Loving the iPhone and iOS is a blind love for some.
Yea that's why...
And a smart opinion at that!
You mad bro because someone doesn't like the iPhone? It'll be better...maybe Apple will do something amazing with iOS 7 and it'll be okay.
Probably do a better job than Tim Cook is doing.
That's the response I'd expect when you know what you read is true, but you just don't like it.
Features is one thing, looks is another
Being attracted to your phone...scary.
It's hilarious. I love the childish one liner remarks. Although I thought there would be more Apple Loyalists here. I'm surprised so many don't have their heads in the sand.
Gotta love it.
Woz is spot on. And I like it.
We all know that good competition = good innovation. Android effectively becoming more desirable is something a lot of Apple fans find hard to accept (or if they are childish, flat out deny and claim anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot). Apple need this to happen. They have rested on their laurels for too long now.
It's time for iOS to get a major overhaul.
We all know that good competition = good innovation. Android effectively becoming more desirable is something a lot of Apple fans find hard to accept (or if they are childish, flat out deny and claim anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot). Apple need this to happen. They have rested on their laurels for too long now.
It's time for iOS to get a major overhaul.
I'm not talking about his Apple statements only. Anything Woz says, the tech media writes in stone and worships. A couple years back he said he was starting a company. People threw $50 million in investments at him before he ever said what it would be or what they'd produce. Nothing ever came of it but it's funny to see people that feel they should blindly agree with everything he says or does.
When one of the founders of the company says they're falling, don't get defensive. Woz says innovate. If he knew how to innovate it at this time, he probably would. But he needed Jobs to actually be productive with it, mind you.
I agree with Woz. I have ceased recommending iPhones for anyone at this time. They're not bad, but there's certainly better out there. If Apple fans could only admit that, we'd get a real swell apple phone, don't you think? You know, the "Never enough" approach for users rather than shareholders...
Woz says it like it is as always. He doesn't let irrational loyalty to any certain company get in his way, even the company he helped build. He just looks at who has the best products. Gotta respect that, and in this case I agree with his judgement.
Are you talking about Fusion IO? My understanding is they hired Wozniak as "Chief Scientist", whatever the heck that means. I figure the position is a sinecure, like his position at Apple, and they hired him for his notoriety as cofounder of Apple.
He has said several similar things throughout the years while Jobs was alive. He also jailbroke a celebrity's iPhone live on TV while Jobs was still alive. Wozniak isn't Jobs' bitch you know.
I think this really sums it up for the whole thread.
Woz was instrumental in the formation of Apple Computers & a very smart man, but he never took it very far past that. Hes not a businessman, hes not a visionary like Steve was.
If Woz was in charge of Apple if Steve never existed, they would be in the same boat they were in the early nineties, barely afloat.
Lot of comments but no solutions.
OK, we're past Page 4 now and I still don't know what the compelling reason is to prefer Android over the "outdated, falling behind" iOS. This thread is full of comments about Apple failing to innovate and barely any concrete examples are given.
So, apart from the fact that some Android devices have bigger screens and a couple of eye-catching animations, what is the advantage? From the Android devices I've tried, my only impression is that they're confusing & messy for a first-time user.
The iPhone and iPads still feel leaps ahead in terms of build quality and materials used; photo-shooting, and 3rd party apps. Personally I could care less if the OS is just a launcher with buttons, as long as the apps are good. These are the main reason I have an iPhone.
So, apart from the fact that some Android devices have bigger screens and a couple of eye-catching animations, what is the advantage? From the Android devices I've tried, my only impression is that they're confusing & messy for a first-time user.
The iPhone and iPads still feel leaps ahead in terms of build quality and materials used; photo-shooting, and 3rd party apps. Personally I could care less if the OS is just a launcher with buttons, as long as the apps are good. These are the main reason I have an iPhone.
he is absolutely right.....Apple needs to wow people again....I was not impressed with the long odd looking iphone5
The funnier thing are the posts saying "Woz is spot on" "I agree with him" when he really didn't say anything.
I know what "I" want from iOS.
1. Delta updates for everything
2. Automatic updates across devices with roll back
3. Live icons
4. Less contextual changes (more Store Kit like panels popping up)
5. XPC processes between apps and better file sharing (no dupes)
6. Location based profiles
7. Siri control of basic settings (Wifi, BT, etc)
8. App Store wish-list with notifications for price changes
9. Ability to purchase iPad only apps from iPhone
10. More services in the accounts framework (LinkedIn, Foursquare, Yelp, App.net, Tumblr etc)
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Group support in email
Smart Folders that work OS wide for tagged documents, files, Pics
Better indoor location accuracy.