was the early 2000s better? and should I move to canada or seattle?

As much as I love the USA, my country, I think other OECD nations are much better than we are when it comes to taking care of one another, income equality, social mobility, civil liberties, healthcare, education, and crime.

Personally, I've been toying with the idea of moving out of the USA and into a country where citizens don't have to worry much about the issues I've stated. This reminds me of that South Park episode "Last of the Meheecans" where Mexican people move back to Mexico from the USA because of how bad it's gotten over here.

Now that I think about it, I recently met a friend's new roommate. She's from Iran and a permanent resident here so she can live in the USA on a permanent basis and become a citizen in a few years if she chooses. Anyway, at some point in our conversation, she told me that her life here in the USA isn't any better than it is in Iran. She worries a lot about the same issues she did at home. The only difference is the fact that women are treated slightly better here compared to Iran.

To the above poster-Terrorism targets anyone,even India or they can even target Canada.

throAU said:

No, but you can/do detain people indefinitely without charge and outsource your torturing to saudi arabia or other countries where it is legal. You've got a history of supporting brutal dictators (Saddam was supported by the US in Iraq, as is the Saudi regime which has an abysmal human rights record) so long as they toe the line and give the government what they want.

Osama's mujahideen were initially funded and trained by the US in order to fight off the russians in a local dispute that the US had no real business poking its nose into.

Your country has a history of attempting to play world police, and this is why you're a terrorism target - taking sides in disputes on the other side of the world via proxy wars with the Russians is not the way to win friends in those places.


But hey, best country in the world, go team, etc.

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1. SEATO
2. ANZUS
3. War on Terror
4. Prisoner X

Keep skipping down the primrose path...

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Or maybe we could talk about your treatment of aboriginal peoples?

Or how about Mel Greig and Michael Christian?

Or perhaps one could reassess their seriously mistaken worldview and concede that ****** situations exist without geographical borders.

I love how even the most innocent of questions can lead to a heated political discussion around here.

I'm from 1989... The 90's were more memorable. Although it wasn't like the 60's, 70's, and 80's were there was one culture that dominated it, it was a whole mix of stuff. It's kinda the same thing in the early 2000's, although it had even more of a mix.

The old PowerPCs are nice, but really, you would have only been able to afford one and then used it until the Intel transition. I used to see people with G3s and G4s all the time in high school, and this was even after the Intel switch.

Jessica Lares said:

I'm from 1989... The 90's were more memorable. Although it wasn't like the 60's, 70's, and 80's were there was one culture that dominated it, it was a whole mix of stuff. It's kinda the same thing in the early 2000's, although it had even more of a mix.

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As a teenager during the 90's I can tell you that it was the first throwback decade as far as style was concerned. It started out as the day-glo cocaine binge aftermath of the 80's, that slowly evolved into the grunge and raver scenes, but it was all kinda blended in with this 60's-ish look by about 94 or so.

It's like how the 2000's were a bit 70's in style, and now we've got all these idiots who think the 80's were cool and are dressing like it. Seriously. I saw a bunch of kids walking down the street the other day, and it was like a horrible acid flashback to my childhood. It's like we didn't learn that eye searing neon pink, big hair, and all that other corny crap made you look stupid back then, so now we think it's completely okay to make our children suffer through the same thing. It's gotten so bad, it wouldn't surprise me if Generra, Body Glove, and jiggly squiggles all over everything suddenly made a huge comeback.

Also Zack. He's a lego maniac.

What exactly was happening in the early 2000s again? I kinda forgot.

It feels to me like Apple had its' heyday in the early 2000's... but not much else did. I feel like it would have been better to have born in '83 instead of '93, so I could have really experience that crazy decade.

I think that living anywhere else in the US or in Canada is better than living in California .

Go to Canada! No healthcare *********!

I've only visited Seattle on holiday but was very impressed with the place. Felt different from California. Quite relaxed and plenty of social boozing going on with some very fine real ale type beers. (That was a nice surprise.) Could have seen myself living there quite happily.

Washington State felt different again. Nice but different. (They didn't seem too enamoured with people from Seattle.)

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Please keep the PRSI type discussions out of the thread. If you wish to discuss moving to canada or any other country because of political reasons then create a PRSI thread.

Lil Chillbil said:

I simply asked if the crime was better ?

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Assuming you are not talking about criminal opportunities, why worry about being a victim of crime? The media gives the illusion that the world is violent place by highlighting isolated incidents.

The real carnage is on the roads.

Lil Chillbil said:

Disclaimer:This is a very stupid topic and I didn't know where else to put it ...

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Random threads... The Best! eh?

Lil Chillbil said:

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now for some reason I am wishing that I was born in the year 1990 so I could have been not 2 when the clock struck 2000, the computers were better, and the super soakers were fricking huge!!!

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It had it's advantages... but I think one of the things that is not fully appreciated about today is how much smaller everything (technology wise - in a very broad sense) is. There the obvious computers, telecommunications, etc etc.... but... we have a water fountain for our cat. Don't ask... we just do... My point is that a lot of water is being moved by a very little pump. My car engine is a fraction of the size of what it would have been several decades ago, and puts out more power and less emissions. We are now able to measure individual atoms, and the time it takes a light to move several feet. In the 2000s, everything was bigger and heavier.

Lil Chillbil said:

Also I have been wondering if I should move to canada or seattle because it could be better than california for crime

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You have to define "crime." But... I will just point out if you want to measure crimes against people Canada's most dangerous city is safer than the safest city in the US. However, if you are a car then you're toast in Vancouver BC as it has more car break-ins than anywhere else in North America - by some measures.

I will just point out, though... you can't just "move to Canada" unless you already have a connection. We are sovereign nation with laws and restrictions on immigration. We mark you on a point system.... so many points for being younger; so many for different levels of education; points for being skilled in a field Canada needs people in; points for speaking French, etc etc... When you have enough points you get to apply for landed immigrant status... and then you wait while we process the paperwork.

Lil Chillbil said:

Thanks for anybody who gives me any answers

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You're welcome, eh?

iMikeT said:

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Personally, I've been toying with the idea of moving out of the USA and into a country where citizens don't have to worry much ....

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See my note above...with few exceptions, you can't just move to another country.

AnorexicPig said:

To the above poster-Terrorism targets anyone,even India or they can even target Canada.

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Yeah, but more people drown in their bathtubs than are killed by terrorists in those countries. The whole point of terror is make us, well, 'terrified'... it's not necessary to actually kill that many people.

PinoyAko said:

Go to Canada! No healthcare *********!

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With apologies, but we have a terrific healthcare system. It's not perfect, and there is always room for improvement... but by most measures we rank near the top for being healthy, and for longevity. Don't confuse the Canadian love of complaining about really petty things for systemic failures. And yes, there is still lots of room for improvement. It's sort of a "We have the worst system in the world, except for most of the others..."

From what I remember, and admittedly it is a trifle hazy, but the 2000s had nothing on being in college in the 60s.

Jessica Lares said:

I'm from 1989... The 90's were more memorable. Although it wasn't like the 60's, 70's, and 80's were there was one culture that dominated it, it was a whole mix of stuff. It's kinda the same thing in the early 2000's, although it had even more of a mix.

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Having lived through both the 80s and 90s, I don't recall the 90s having any more variety of culture than the 80s. There's always been lots of variety.

I think games back in the 90s and 00s were better. With the lack of graphics, anything new was amazing. DOOM, for example. These days, even the most advanced graphics are just de rigueur. I miss the feel of the early Mac games - Bolo, Crystal Quest, Minotaur... They all had a particular look to them that was Mac-specific due to the graphics. These days seems to me most Mac games are PC games that were eventually ported, or parallel developed at most.

Computers were better for tinkering, both for hardware and for getting your feet wet in programming. And they were fast enough for what we needed then - it's not like Word or Pages is 1000 times faster than word processors in 2000.

Having the Internet in my pocket (iPhone) is a huge difference though.

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Having the Internet in my pocket (iPhone) is a huge difference though.

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What's that saying?? I have a device in pocket that allows me to access virtually the sum knowledge of humanity... and I use it to post pictures of cats and pick arguments with strangers....

heee heee

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What's that saying?? I have a device in pocket that allows me to access virtually the sum knowledge of humanity... and I use it to post pictures of cats and pick arguments with strangers....

heee heee

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Yes, exactly. I actually wrote that, but then deleted it because back in the 80s (BBSes) and 90s (BBS and nascent Internet) and 00s (good ol' Internet) we looked at plenty of cat pictures and argued with plenty of strangers already. What we do hasn't changed, just where we do it.

Lil Chillbil said:

Disclaimer:This is a very stupid topic and I didn't know where else to put it this is most certainly not trolling I am a regular member or this forum. besides this is the off-topic subforum right ?

This is just 2 of the random thoughts that I have been bouncing around in my head so could some of the people who have actually experienced these things give me some feedback.
now for some reason I am wishing that I was born in the year 1990 so I could have been not 2 when the clock struck 2000, the computers were better, and the super soakers were fricking huge!!!

Also I have been wondering if I should move to canada or seattle because it could be better than california for crime




Thanks for anybody who gives me any answers

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Being a citizen of both US & Canada maybe I can give a little input. Born in US and lived there 18 years. Been in Canada for 35 years. Both countries have their pros & cons. US has lower taxes, Canada less crime. US has lower prices on good and services, Canada has better healthcare. So on and so on. I have enjoyed living in both countries. US gave me great education and Canada gave me great career opportunities. But as I am only 7 years away from retirement, I will be moving back to the US for it. I will maintain my Canadian residence, as my children prefer to stay in Canada. But as snberk103 stated, you will require lots of skills to be able to come to Canada. With having a Canadian father (Quebec) and US mother (PA.) it was difficult getting my Canadian citizenship. And as far as I was concerned it was my right. So do your research carefully before making any decisions because it is a big one. Best of luck with whatever it is!

Born in 60's. Super Soaker was a firetruck or hydrant. Only computer around was size of city block.

as someone who WAS born in 1990, and has lived in seattle for months at a time (my mom used to live there) i would go seattle for sure.
what's not to love about coffee, grunge, weed?

don't worry about growing up so fast, be a teenager and enjoy teenage things (you're only a teen once and i kinda miss it)

i was your age in the early 2000's....it wasn't too bad we had N64, pokemon on gameboy, harry potter wasn't already written so getting the book on the first day it was released was always fun, super soaker fights were ****ing awesome! trampolines didn't have those ****** nets around them, no one had iPods or cell phones(until i was in high school), got top see my parents **** bricks when the dot com bubble burst, the start of the iraq war, 9/11, it was fun to be a kid, but a scary time too because the world was beginning to change into what we are moving towards now.

i also remember one of my favorite things to do in the early early 2000's was AIM instant massager lol
my parents were shocked when they found out i had looked at porn on the family computer haha
times have changed...

You are not going to immigrate to another country on a whim, even if you had graduated college you are going to have a rough time immigrating unless you have a company willing to do the paperwork for you (and even they have to prove that they can't fill the position with a local candidate). The easiest way through would be a NAFTA profession, but it is only select occupations.

Good luck, I love Canada, but immigrating was not an easy task by any stretch of the imagination.