So stealing isn't breaking the law unless you get caught?
That said, I do agree with you on stupidity of the curfew law.
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Apple Bans DUI Checkpoint Apps
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So stealing isn't breaking the law unless you get caught?
That said, I do agree with you on stupidity of the curfew law.
I can't drink but it seems to me that if you are buzzed enough to be concerned about being stopped, aren't you going to have even more trouble navigating the App?
I can't say I totally agree with the statement that Apple is in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" position. Prior to the report of the letter from the senators and then this report, I hadn't heard of a great deal of clamoring for Apple to get rid of these apps.
I see this is PR, and I doubt that removing these apps will improve road safety.
I can't say I totally agree with the statement that Apple is in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" position. Prior to the report of the letter from the senators and then this report, I hadn't heard of a great deal of clamoring for Apple to get rid of these apps.
I see this is PR, and I doubt that removing these apps will improve road safety.
This is a slippery slope!
First, devs are not allowed to help us drive drunk and kill people. (Does anyone here not know someone killed that way?)
What’s next, telling devs who they can and cannot murder? Will they disallow apps that prank 9-1-1 or impersonate police calls? What about an app that helps restaurant owners dodge health inspectors, or helps fruit growers inject poisons? Do we lose those rights too?
Enjoying a particular beverage--without taxi inconvenience--is worth the price of a human life or maiming. Neither the government nor Apple can tell me otherwise. Staying alive on the road is not a right. Selling an app is!
Some laws are bad. Therefore all laws are bad. Therefore law enforcement is bad. QED
First, devs are not allowed to help us drive drunk and kill people. (Does anyone here not know someone killed that way?)
What’s next, telling devs who they can and cannot murder? Will they disallow apps that prank 9-1-1 or impersonate police calls? What about an app that helps restaurant owners dodge health inspectors, or helps fruit growers inject poisons? Do we lose those rights too?
Enjoying a particular beverage--without taxi inconvenience--is worth the price of a human life or maiming. Neither the government nor Apple can tell me otherwise. Staying alive on the road is not a right. Selling an app is!
Some laws are bad. Therefore all laws are bad. Therefore law enforcement is bad. QED
Ah the ignorance.
The 'ole "it is inconvenient" defense.
I think Charles Manson once said that.
The difference between breaking a driving curfew or speeding is that those are both victimless crimes. I'm not hurting anyone by breaking a 10pm driving curfew, whereas I would be if I stole something. The only victim is me, myself, and I, if I get caught because violating the curfew gets you two points on your license and a crapload of hiked auto insurance premiums.
-Don
Well, now that those senators HAVE written the letter, they're bound to get more attention.
Good on Apple. So much potential harm could come from these apps. So very very little inconvenience for the rest of us. It's stuff like this that differentiates them from Android's free-for-all...
This has nothing to do with drunk driving. It's about a citizen's right to share information about when and where the state is conducting searches without probable cause. If we are going to be surveilled and searched without probable cause, we should be able to share information on where that is occurring.
The real travesty is that Apple caved to the government thugs.
Apple caved pretty easy.
It points to how their behavior will be with iCloud. Since they hold the encryption keys will they bow down to any government agency that wants to comb through the emails and iMessages in the iCloud looking for the subversive of the day (terrorists, tea partiers, huffers, Wiki Leaks supporters, Republicans when the Democrats are in power, Democrats when the Republicans are in power, and so on).
No thank you Apple. If Apple were to let the user create their own 448 bit key, like Mozy does, then I would not have the reservations about iCloud.
It points to how their behavior will be with iCloud. Since they hold the encryption keys will they bow down to any government agency that wants to comb through the emails and iMessages in the iCloud looking for the subversive of the day (terrorists, tea partiers, huffers, Wiki Leaks supporters, Republicans when the Democrats are in power, Democrats when the Republicans are in power, and so on).
No thank you Apple. If Apple were to let the user create their own 448 bit key, like Mozy does, then I would not have the reservations about iCloud.
Picking up right where you left off from your "driving" thread I see
FYI: I have to correct you though. Breaking a law is breaking a law, regardless if you get caught or not.
You sound like one of those hypocritical MADD cronies, who says "no no no, the alcohol is bad for you, it kills." and then goes home after your kid's soccer practice only to knock a few back. Just saying.
Me. I don't drink. I do work til 11pm to 1am most nights. Running into checkpoints and sitting in a line for an hour while the police look for drunks? Okay. But every single night when I've just worked a 16-18hr day? No thank you.
You're correct. It does nothing to stop people from driving drunk. If anything, it contributes to it. On the other hand, banning apps like these do contribute to fewer people driving drunk. If a drunk isn't able to avoid a checkpoint, they get a DUI and don't drive for a while. I'll say that's pretty effective.
You're in denial if you think it has nothing to do with drunk driving. You're also worse off if you think people haven't used those apps to avoid DUI checkpoints because they are drunk. DUI checkpoints are not searches, so you're going to need a better argument than that.
I was gonna say "grow up" and stop thinking "retarded" is a funny word and that police are "pigs". But then I see you're still a teenager so I guess there's time for you to develop some more mature points of view.
When I was a teenager my dad pulled off the road to look at a map, and we were rear-ended by a drunk going 50. The police found he'd been mixing drinks while he drove. Maybe a checkpoint would have taken him off the road and averted our tragedy.
When I was a young adult I worked as a police beat reporter on weekend nights, when that beat's busiest. I covered many car crashes and alcohol was usually involved. I remember one where I helped police pull a kid out of his crumpled car (the other driver, a pregnant woman, had already been taken away). At the hospital later I watched as doctors first told her husband they'd lost the baby she was carrying, and then, an hour later, that she'd died, too. Maybe a checkpoint would have taken that teenage driver off the road.
What are we to trade for the thousands of alcohol-related auto deaths? Your zeal to avoid the state's curfew? Joe Blow's desire to sell an app?
Have you ever seen a driver flash his lights to warn oncoming traffic that there's a cop with a speedgun ahead? I'm sure he thinks he's cool. I always wonder if the driver would do that--help speeders avoid getting caught--if he knew his kids were driving behind him and would have to face all the speeders who weren't taken off the road. Regardless of age, Don, there are grownups on the road, and some who aren't so much. Pick your sides carefully, because it's not a game but real life, with real consequences.
(and please note i've NOT said i care whether you adhere to a curfew. I'm arguing your inconvenience is a petty argument for doing away with DUI checkpoints, much less checkpoint apps. please give it some thought.)
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You're extremely self-centered. Believe it or not, teenagers do not make the best decisions. I should know, I used to be one. You are not a kid, but you are not quite an adult yet. So society places restrictions on teenagers. Be glad that you have a car - 99% of the world's people your age don't have that privilege.
Be patient, be smart. Your life could be ruined if you ran over someone or hurt yourself. That would be far from victimless.
MADD is not against drinking.....there are against drinking and driving....hence the acronym..Mothers Against Drunk Driving
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"FYI", it's still a law. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that it is not a law. You work until 10 PM? Talk to your boss about making it 930 to be in accordance with the law.
I know this is getting more and more off topic, but I just can't stand people who think the law doesn't apply to them because they don't like it.
There is no fix for that my friend. We have been screwed from both sides for a long time. It will have to fix itself.
And this has nothing to do with drunken driving.
It is nothing more than a "feel good" move like most anti DUI initiatives.
Wouldn't you figure it out after the second or third time? You don't need an app to tell you that.
Hmm I'm still relying on my radar detector and I think that works better than trapster... Trapster never really worked for me, so it doesn't matter it it's banned, but I don't see any good reason in banning it. Maybe Apple is just under criticism from some lawmakers trying to get reelected.
That might be difficult as it is a requirement that advance public notice must be given for checkpoints. I can see it now:
Officer: Here, read this notice.
Talking Head: There will be a checkpoint at 4th and Main.
Officer: You are under arrest.