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JunkyDog

macrumors 6502
Sep 17, 2011
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Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_3_3 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8J2 Safari/6533.18.5)

Are you sure about that?
 

RossMc

macrumors 65816
Apr 30, 2010
1,201
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Newcastle, UK
I imagine they are already working on it seen as though they have seen the video, Removed the app and remove him as a developer.
 

nebo1ss

macrumors 68030
Jun 2, 2010
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Nothing to really worry about.

except that this could be used to steal your data and then wipe your phone.

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I imagine they are already working on it seen as though they have seen the video, Removed the app and remove him as a developer.

Removing the app makes sense. Removing him as a developer not so much.

He is a security researcher who is basically helping apple and giving them time to fix it before he exposes it next week. Expect them to include a fix in 5.0.1
before it is released.
 

thejadedmonkey

macrumors G3
May 28, 2005
9,184
3,345
Pennsylvania
except that this could be used to steal your data and then wipe your phone.

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Removing the app makes sense. Removing him as a developer not so much.

He is a security researcher who is basically helping apple and giving them time to fix it before he exposes it next week. Expect them to include a fix in 5.0.1
before it is released.

Yeah, but hearing on the news that "someone released a virus for the iPhone, but the program was removed and the person is no longer a developer", looks much better than "someone released a virus for the iPhone, Apple to release a security update later this month to fix the flaw".

It's all about the marketing...
 

RossMc

macrumors 65816
Apr 30, 2010
1,201
63
Newcastle, UK
except that this could be used to steal your data and then wipe your phone.

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Removing the app makes sense. Removing him as a developer not so much.

He is a security researcher who is basically helping apple and giving them time to fix it before he exposes it next week. Expect them to include a fix in 5.0.1
before it is released.

Maybe but his developer account was a standard account and not a researcher account. He also actively exploited a security flaw.
 

qtx43

macrumors 6502a
Aug 4, 2007
659
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Maybe but his developer account was a standard account and not a researcher account. He also actively exploited a security flaw.
This. You can't just say "Oh, I'm a researcher" and submit malware to the app store. It shows really poor judgement. Of course, they did hire they guy from the jailbreaking community. But the big difference is that he had no prior agreements with Apple which he broke, and he wasn't actually doing anything illegal. I don't know what Miller was expecting, losing his developer license was inevitable. It's kind of sad, no doubt he's a smart guy ...in the ways of programming.
 

MacRumors

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Apr 12, 2001
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Security Researcher Reveals iOS Security Flaw, Gets Developer License Revoked






Security researcher Charlie Miller revealed earlier today that he had found an exploit in Apple's iOS software that allows an App to run arbitrary code. Apple generally approves all code that is submitted to the AppStore and forbids the execution of un-approved code, but Miller discovered a way to bypass this restriction. Forbes writes:
Miller became suspicious of a possible flaw in the code signing of Apple's mobile devices with the release of iOS 4.3 early last year.
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The researcher soon dug up a bug that allowed him to expand that code-running exception to any application he'd like.
Beyond discovering the bug, Miller went a step further and actually had an App submitted to the App Store which took advantage of this bug. The App was approved and was able to perform as expected:
Using his method-and Miller has already planted a sleeper app in Apple's App Store to demonstrate the trick-an app can phone home to a remote computer that downloads new unapproved commands onto the device and executes them at will, including stealing the user's photos, reading contacts, making the phone vibrate or play sounds, or otherwise repurposing normal iOS app functions for malicious ends.
Shortly after the news broke, Apple revoked Miller's developer account, citing a breach of the developer agreement.
"This letter serves as notice of termination of the iOS Developer Program License Agreement...between you and Apple," the email read. "Effective immediately."
Miller plans to present his findings at the SysCan conference in Taiwan next week.

Article Link: Security Researcher Reveals iOS Security Flaw, Gets Developer License Revoked
 

Fazzy

macrumors 6502
Oct 12, 2011
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check the tracking device
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I guess he should have told apple about it instead of submitting that app
 

applebook

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Jul 21, 2009
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I wasn't aware that Google rewarded people for exploiting their security flaws without their consent. :rolleyes:

No company or person likes to be exploited. Miller should have revealed the findings instead of trying to take advantage of the flaw.
 

thewitt

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Sep 13, 2011
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It's one thing to find a security hole and professionally inform Apple, quite another to write an app to exploit it and announce you will tell the works how to do it in a conference in a week...

Charlie is a smart guy who makes some really stupid decisions.

Professional developers disclose issues in iOS to Apple through secure channels all the time without this media madness.
 

Badgersnake

macrumors newbie
Nov 7, 2011
1
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Telling Apple about it? Excellent, have a cookie.

Uploading an exploit to a live environment where people can download it? Not cool.
 

dethmaShine

macrumors 68000
Apr 13, 2010
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Into the lungs of Hell
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I guess he should have told apple about it instead of submitting that app

That's what people are supposed to do and actually do. :)
 

iJanne

macrumors newbie
Jan 27, 2009
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If you read the source article, the guy reported the bug to Apple a month ago.

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This makes Apple look pretty bad. And if he had submitted the bug what are the chances Apple would have responded in a timely manner if at all?

He submitted the bug to Apple on Oct 17 according to the source article.
 

dethmaShine

macrumors 68000
Apr 13, 2010
1,697
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Into the lungs of Hell
This makes Apple look pretty bad. And if he had submitted the bug what are the chances Apple would have responded in a timely manner if at all?

Are you an Apple developer? Bug reporter is very active and issue like this is treated as DEFCON 1. This is a huge bug when exploited is an unbelievably huge security leak. Apple cannot tolerate to have left this for more than a week as well.

Plus the guy made an app. Submitted it. Got it accepted and placed in the app store. Probably spent a month just to prove his concept.
Great. That's how you get revoked.

On another note, I'd be surprised if Apple doesn't take a stance against this developer as instead of giving this info to Apple, he decided he would make a video out of it and bring some free media hype and undeniable fame. Cool.
 
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