Register FAQ / Rules Forum Spy Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
Go Back   MacRumors Forums > News and Article Discussion > MacRumors.com News Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old Dec 12, 2011, 11:15 AM   #51
slinky199
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by Manderby View Post
I bet too.

I mean, 100 Million really is a nice number. But what is behind that? Can any small developer show any numbers? Not those from last february. I want actual ones.
No you don't. According to *LTD*, Apple's success does not need to be analyzed, unless it's a failure, then we blame the public for not being ready for innovation.

Note that this standard applies only to Apple, and may not be used to quantify the success of any non-Apple company; the success of any other company is, by default, non-innovative and takes the easy path.
__________________
Wrangling self-contradicting *Fanboys* since 2011.
slinky199 is offline   2 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 12, 2011, 11:21 AM   #52
Stella
macrumors 603
 
Stella's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Canada
[QUOTE=*LTD*;13997476]
Ok.[COLOR="#808080"]

Yes, OK, this demostrates once again there is life in the desktop operating system, that you call "Ancient".
__________________
Hardware / Software: The right tools for the job - be it Apple or otherwise.
Stella is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 12, 2011, 11:36 AM   #53
Atlantico
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: BCN
An example: the HD must be replaced. So I send the iMac in for repairs and get a new drive. Instead of reinstalling everything, even with "automagic" MAS reinstalls, I simply press one button on the SuperDuper app.

Everything is transferred, bit by bit an identical copy of my old HD, onto the newly installed HD in the iMac. I restart, everything is as it was the day the HD crashed. All information, everything.

That's magic. That's impressive.

That app is not available on the MAS.

From my perspective the MAS is a failure, it is solving a problem that was never there (unless of course it is solving the problem that Apple didn't get 30% cut of every Mac app sold, in which case it is trying to remedy that)

I have always found software I need, just search the web.

In fact, I find it more difficult to find the app I need on the MAS; I can't look for apps by price, by specific function or expect all apps to be represented.

Furthermore, apps are all subject to Apple's review, redaction and cencorship - something I don't appreciate.

Finally using the MAS means I have to link my credit card to the Apple account, an important step for one to be "embraced" fully into the Apple ecosystem.
Atlantico is offline   2 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 12, 2011, 11:38 AM   #54
Akarin
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Nyon, Switzerland
Quote:
Originally Posted by nwcs View Post
3. Transferring licenses from apps purchased outside of MAS to MAS
This. Exactly.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Atlantico View Post
I have always found software I need, just search the web.
So do I. But I use many little apps and can't be bothered to update all of them one by one or worse, when I really need one. If anything, I really like the way I can update all my apps in one click and have them installed on my laptop through the MAS.
__________________
Teach yourself how to code with Swift: Code with Brick
Akarin is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 12, 2011, 11:59 AM   #55
WestonHarvey1
macrumors 68000
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Quote:
Originally Posted by KnightWRX View Post
There's quite a bit of software available for Macs, legally, outside the App Store without having to buy "CDs".
*shrug*, he was specifically talking about iTunes, not the App Store, and claiming that all people who buy music online are sheep.
WestonHarvey1 is offline   -1 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 12, 2011, 12:13 PM   #56
ranReloaded
macrumors 6502a
 
ranReloaded's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Tokyo
Quote:
Originally Posted by WestonHarvey1 View Post
Ugh, imagine a "freemium" version of MS Word...

----------



I would guess we're getting delta updates eventually, since they've managed to accomplish that with the iOS system software updates.
I have a feeling that implementing delta updates would be a pain in the a** for medium-to-small devs, and only big fish like Apple, Adobe(?) and Microsoft(??) can cope with the complexity and likelihood of errors involved. Specially on desktop, where the user can tweak pretty much everything and you can't know for sure exactly what kind of environment your app will be installed in... just sayin'
ranReloaded is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 12, 2011, 12:26 PM   #57
slinky199
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by *LTD* View Post
Mac App Store Hits 100 Million Downloads . . .

And takes most of the industry profits with it. That's the big take-away from this.
Quote:
Originally Posted by *LTD* View Post
There's also free software. I'm not sure what you're trying to argue.
Contradicting yourself again?
__________________
Wrangling self-contradicting *Fanboys* since 2011.
slinky199 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 12, 2011, 12:34 PM   #58
Slurpy2k8
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
IMO the Mac Appstore is the best thing to happen to OSX in recent history. The amount of increased discoverability and ease of use is practical and awesome. I would never, ever have found and downloaded some of the stuff I use now if it wasn't for the appstore.
Slurpy2k8 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 12, 2011, 12:38 PM   #59
*LTD*
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Canada
Quote:
Originally Posted by slinky199 View Post
Contradicting yourself again?
No. There's paid and free software on the App Store and Mac App Store, if someone doesn't feel like paying for what they deem an app that is too "simple" for a dev to charge for.

----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Slurpy2k8 View Post
IMO the Mac Appstore is the best thing to happen to OSX in recent history. The amount of increased discoverability and ease of use is practical and awesome. I would never, ever have found and downloaded some of the stuff I use now if it wasn't for the appstore.
There has, interestingly enough, been a significant rise on OS X market share since the introduction of the Mac App Store.
*LTD* is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 12, 2011, 01:07 PM   #60
steveh
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stella View Post
While the appstore is great for finding software, personally if there's a choice between a piece of software that is available on the appStore or outside, I'll *always* choose the non app store version. Why? Because those pieces of software outside app store often are 'full' versions.. the appstore versions are stripped down to comply with the appStore rules.
Riiiiiiight. Aperture 3 from the MAS is seriously stripped compared to the boxed version.

Well, if you count the price, maybe.

So far, I've acquired 17 apps through the MAS, ten of them being updated versions of software I already had from other sources.

None of them being "stripped" compared to the full versions from the developer's sites. So no, your assertion doesn't hold universally.
steveh is offline   -3 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 12, 2011, 01:20 PM   #61
KnightWRX
macrumors Pentium
 
KnightWRX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Quebec, Canada
Quote:
Originally Posted by steveh View Post
Riiiiiiight. Aperture 3 from the MAS is seriously stripped compared to the boxed version.
Sandboxing requirements and forcing applications to be self-contained .App bundles is restrictive for many software packages. That it might not apply to Aperture 3 does not mean it doesn't restrict other software out there.

Some 3rd party developers have already stated that functionality must be removed from their packages to comply with the sandboxing requirement alone.

You have 1 example, why do you feel the need to correct the other poster based on your anecdote ?
__________________
"What you leave behind is not what is engraved in stone monuments, but what is woven into the lives of others."
-- Pericles
KnightWRX is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 12, 2011, 01:21 PM   #62
nburwell
macrumors 68000
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: PHL
Congrats to Apple and it's developers. Although the only App I have on my MBP is the Twitter for Mac app. Any other app I download is for my iPhone or iPad.
__________________
13.3" rMBP 2.5GHz l iPhone 5s l iPad rMini l 4G iPod Touch l Apple TV l Nikon
nburwell is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 12, 2011, 01:26 PM   #63
slinky199
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by *LTD* View Post
No. There's paid and free software on the App Store and Mac App Store, if someone doesn't feel like paying for what they deem an app that is too "simple" for a dev to charge for.
And thus, you jump the gun by saying those numbers imply major portion of profits! Where is your big take-away now?
__________________
Wrangling self-contradicting *Fanboys* since 2011.
slinky199 is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 12, 2011, 01:27 PM   #64
KnightWRX
macrumors Pentium
 
KnightWRX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Quebec, Canada
Quote:
Originally Posted by WestonHarvey1 View Post
*shrug*, he was specifically talking about iTunes, not the App Store, and claiming that all people who buy music online are sheep.
I didn't read it like that at all.
__________________
"What you leave behind is not what is engraved in stone monuments, but what is woven into the lives of others."
-- Pericles
KnightWRX is offline   2 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 12, 2011, 01:35 PM   #65
Atlantico
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: BCN
By the way, who verifies claims of X million sold in MacAppStore/iTunesStore etc?

Apple?
Atlantico is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 12, 2011, 01:44 PM   #66
maril1111
macrumors 68000
 
maril1111's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Denmark
Quote:
Originally Posted by Atlantico View Post
By the way, who verifies claims of X million sold in MacAppStore/iTunesStore etc?

Apple?
i have a feeling it must be checked by some external people as well to be verified, but good question.
__________________
13" 2011 MBP 2.3,8 GB Ram,320GB HDD;13"MB 4.1 3 GB Ram 120GB HDD;iPad 3 32Gb 4G+Wifi;Ipod Classic 160GB;ipod nano 8GB
maril1111 is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 12, 2011, 01:45 PM   #67
AppleScruff1
macrumors 604
 
AppleScruff1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
This isn't nearly as exciting as talking about Apple's profits.
AppleScruff1 is offline   -3 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 12, 2011, 02:14 PM   #68
hayesk
macrumors 65816
 
Join Date: May 2003
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLDCODGER View Post
No to not paying. If you think that being constrained to an all-enveloping model is convenient, go for it. I prefer choice.
I pay money, download app, use app. Yeah, that's pretty convenient. I fail to see what is "all-enveloping" about it.

----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by D-a-a-n View Post
The biggest downside for me is that most developers charge money even for super simple apps that I could write myself (but am too lazy to do). I refuse to pay for a simple todo-app .
I have no problem with them charging money as long as it looks like they put the effort in. I don't like seeing "My first programming project" type apps on there. Finish the app properly, charge an appropriate amount of money.

Quote:
From a developers point of view, I can understand why they don't release much free apps, after all they have to pay 100$/year for their developer account..
There used to be free applications (e.g. smartsleep), that aren't free anymore since they entered the appstore..Don't like that
I understand that - they always wanted to charge a little bit of money, but it was too much effort for too little return to do on their own.
hayesk is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 12, 2011, 03:17 PM   #69
OLDCODGER
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Lucky Country
Quote:
Originally Posted by WestonHarvey1 View Post
*shrug*, he was specifically talking about iTunes, not the App Store, and claiming that all people who buy music online are sheep.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't iTunes required to use the MAS? Doesn't one have to set up/authorise an account before one can use MAS?

The reason I ask is because I once inadvertently clicked the App Store, rather than the Dev site, and my m/c went nuts trying to find and load iTunes.
OLDCODGER is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 12, 2011, 03:19 PM   #70
KnightWRX
macrumors Pentium
 
KnightWRX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Quebec, Canada
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLDCODGER View Post
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't iTunes required to use the MAS? Doesn't one have to set up/authorise an account before one can use MAS?

The reason I ask is because I once inadvertently clicked the App Store, rather than the Dev site, and my m/c went nuts trying to find and load iTunes.
The Mac App Store is a separate application from iTunes. But it's possible it uses some shared librairies between the 2 and that iTunes is required for proper operation of the Mac App Store.
__________________
"What you leave behind is not what is engraved in stone monuments, but what is woven into the lives of others."
-- Pericles
KnightWRX is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 12, 2011, 03:25 PM   #71
OLDCODGER
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Lucky Country
Quote:
Originally Posted by KnightWRX View Post
The Mac App Store is a separate application from iTunes. But it's possible it uses some shared librairies between the 2 and that iTunes is required for proper operation of the Mac App Store.
Thank you for a very speedy reply I presume that iTunes would be required to acquire an Apple ID - which I don't have/want.
OLDCODGER is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 12, 2011, 06:15 PM   #72
faroZ06
Banned
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
You'd think Apple would let Leopard users in on this. They're just not getting any money from me
faroZ06 is offline   -1 Reply With Quote

Reply
MacRumors Forums > News and Article Discussion > MacRumors.com News Discussion

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Similar Threads
thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
LEGO The Lord of the Rings Hits the Mac App Store MacRumors Mac Blog Discussion 35 May 12, 2014 01:48 PM
Apple's App Store Hits One Million Apps in the United States MacRumors MacRumors.com News Discussion 121 Dec 13, 2013 01:14 AM
Google Play Downloads Passed App Store Downloads For the First Time in Q2 MacRumors MacRumors.com News Discussion 186 Aug 9, 2013 11:15 AM
App Store Anniversary Promotion Earns 'Infinity Blade II' 5.7 Million Downloads MacRumors iOS Blog Discussion 29 Jul 28, 2013 12:26 PM
Galaxy S Line hits 100 Million KnightMan Alternatives to iOS and iOS Devices 14 Jan 16, 2013 11:13 AM

Forum Jump

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:37 PM.

Mac Rumors | Mac | iPhone | iPhone Game Reviews | iPhone Apps

Mobile Version | Fixed | Fluid | Fluid HD
Copyright 2002-2013, MacRumors.com, LLC