Yes very logical. In a market analysis about products that are PCs in every sense of the word, you guys think fridges and toasters should be included. Why don't we just lump every product ever made together? I mean, all of them have to have something in common. I thought I'd heard it all, but the Apple detractors here never cease to amaze me.
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Yes very logical. In a market analysis about products that are PCs in every sense of the word, you guys think fridges and toasters should be included. Why don't we just lump every product ever made together? I mean, all of them have to have something in common. I thought I'd heard it all, but the Apple detractors here never cease to amaze me.
the person that still "owns" an android device which he continually for months says is terrible and a rip off of the iphone, talking about logical, lol
Hmmm have you actually taken a course in logic, if so youd recognize thats a rather weak inductive argument.
Well the line between everything is blurring...and yes, many of those devices also should be called a PC.
The real distinction I guess is where you put the category of work being done.
Smart phones are probably what's considered to me a communication/consumption device for email, voice, social and so on along with what I call average user gaming.
Tablets are more of a communication/consumption/mid level work device that can do all of the above, but in a larger form factor which promotes more office type of tasks like word processing, presentations, spreadsheets and so on along with other customizable apps.
You can do those on both a smart phone and tablet but really at that point it's a matter of choice in size...just like in many things.
Look who's paying for these Canalys reports. That will tell you who cares about whether it's the same thing or not.
It's stores who stock both iPads and notebook PCs in the same area and want to plan for next years inventory payables and retail floor space. It companies who manufacture components and other stuff related to making PCs and tablets and accessories, who need to plan for the next few years of investments in new factories. It's software companies who have to decide how many developers to hire for next years hot app and its support.
What this definition is saying is that big paying companies are starting to consider this to be the same bucket of money for one big product category, with the sub-categories competing within that bigger bucket.
The people deciding between refrigerators and laptops, and joe PC gamer, aren't paying for Canalys reports. Thus, nobody at Canalys cares if those types can't tell their bottom end from a PC.
As they should. The iPad IS a PC. With the "cut the cord" feature not needing another computer to activate the iPad, it became a PC.
I think you'll find plenty of people who believed it was a PC before iOS 5.0. Was "cutting the cord" the only differentiator. I don't think so.
It's about choices
For work, most folks are stuck with whatever computer is provided by their IT department. For home use, many people can easily get by with just an iPad. Two years ago, we had no choice. Now we do. Which explains why this type of market study is useful. Folks might forgo the purchase of a desktop and purchase an iPad as a more suitable portable computing solution for email, web, reading, photos, tracking finances and the like. A perfect example might be a couple, who own a laptop and want another device so they don't have to share the same computer. A couple of years ago, they would have to buy another laptop or netbook. Now they have a choice.
For work, most folks are stuck with whatever computer is provided by their IT department. For home use, many people can easily get by with just an iPad. Two years ago, we had no choice. Now we do. Which explains why this type of market study is useful. Folks might forgo the purchase of a desktop and purchase an iPad as a more suitable portable computing solution for email, web, reading, photos, tracking finances and the like. A perfect example might be a couple, who own a laptop and want another device so they don't have to share the same computer. A couple of years ago, they would have to buy another laptop or netbook. Now they have a choice.
HAHAHA! You have no idea what you are talking about. I have been writing embedded software in the Aerospace and automotive industries for the past 26 years. I have worked on the international space station project, commercial, commuter and Military aviation projects as well as handsfree technology for automobiles. I have used SBC for embedded code, miniframes, mainframes and PCs. I am versed in writing code that runs on multiple processors and OSes including Windows and several flavors of UNIX. So you are right I have no clue how a computer works
You have a antiquated and narrow view of what a computer is.
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I'd be pooping my pants if I was an PC manufacturer besides Apple.
Regarding "is the tablet a PC?". I understand that for a LOT of people, they use their computer for work. To make things, write things, and do complicated stuff; spreadsheet management, graphics, research etc etc. Many of them do their work on their own computer, and many do it on a work computer and have a second computer at home.
Some of them can get by on just their computer at work. Even more people do not do ANY computer work. There are a lot of people who don't need a full computer, because their full sized personal computer, (what is traditionally defined as a PC), is used for the following: news, facebook, music, pictures, games, personal email. That's it. And an ipad does all of that, and does it well.
I know firefighters. They use just an ipad and an iphone for their computers. My friend is an engineer. He does all his work AT work on a workstation. He does none at home.His laptop broke; he is ipad only now; personal stuff that needs a big screen happens at work. My mom and my aunt are stay at home moms. They do not use their husbands desktops at home, they use their ipads. And their husbands do all their work at work, but feel no need to upgrade now since their desktops work. But my dad just bought an ipad...and now the desktop is only for home video editing.
The ipad is not going to replace the traditional PC completely. But it is going to fulfill the needs people thought they needed a full PC for. For 1/2 the cost of a macbook, and the same as decent Windows laptop/PC off the shelf, the ipad offers a lot of the same functionality with better battery life, built in program, video, and music acquisition, printing and email and video and cloud photo and automatic phone syncing etc etc...and it is all wireless, easy to use/learn and essentially virus free.
Every stay at home mom, some kids with a computer lab at school, every grandma, grandpa, janitor, cop, firefighter, secretary, gardener, waiter, waitress, cashier etc etc...does not require a full size PC for their essential online daily life.
Many, including myself, got tired of constantly upgrading, managing stuff, and optomizing. I wanted to zen my computer life. Less function, more ease. More doing, less checking/fixing. I went from PC to mac (2002). I went from a MBP to a work-only imac and MBA (2010). Now I do all my work on a MBA with some on my friends computer (2011). next time I upgrade, I will be able to do ALL of my work on my MBA. This was unthinkable to me as late as 2 years ago.
A full home desktop rig is really needed only for games, and intensive or complicated work at home. Of course its also needed for school and term papers but Apple clearly has long term plans for that.
What percent of the PC market is the above? I really don't know. But I think we are going to find out. Computers have passed the 80/20 rule...you can now get 80% of you digital life done with 20% of the effort/cost. To get that last 20% is going to cost another 80% of effort/cost. And Apple is the one making it possible. The traditional PC market is possibly about to shrink to mostly professionals and offices.
That is why I'd be pooping my pants if I was an PC manufacturer besides Apple.
Regarding "is the tablet a PC?". I understand that for a LOT of people, they use their computer for work. To make things, write things, and do complicated stuff; spreadsheet management, graphics, research etc etc. Many of them do their work on their own computer, and many do it on a work computer and have a second computer at home.
Some of them can get by on just their computer at work. Even more people do not do ANY computer work. There are a lot of people who don't need a full computer, because their full sized personal computer, (what is traditionally defined as a PC), is used for the following: news, facebook, music, pictures, games, personal email. That's it. And an ipad does all of that, and does it well.
I know firefighters. They use just an ipad and an iphone for their computers. My friend is an engineer. He does all his work AT work on a workstation. He does none at home.His laptop broke; he is ipad only now; personal stuff that needs a big screen happens at work. My mom and my aunt are stay at home moms. They do not use their husbands desktops at home, they use their ipads. And their husbands do all their work at work, but feel no need to upgrade now since their desktops work. But my dad just bought an ipad...and now the desktop is only for home video editing.
The ipad is not going to replace the traditional PC completely. But it is going to fulfill the needs people thought they needed a full PC for. For 1/2 the cost of a macbook, and the same as decent Windows laptop/PC off the shelf, the ipad offers a lot of the same functionality with better battery life, built in program, video, and music acquisition, printing and email and video and cloud photo and automatic phone syncing etc etc...and it is all wireless, easy to use/learn and essentially virus free.
Every stay at home mom, some kids with a computer lab at school, every grandma, grandpa, janitor, cop, firefighter, secretary, gardener, waiter, waitress, cashier etc etc...does not require a full size PC for their essential online daily life.
Many, including myself, got tired of constantly upgrading, managing stuff, and optomizing. I wanted to zen my computer life. Less function, more ease. More doing, less checking/fixing. I went from PC to mac (2002). I went from a MBP to a work-only imac and MBA (2010). Now I do all my work on a MBA with some on my friends computer (2011). next time I upgrade, I will be able to do ALL of my work on my MBA. This was unthinkable to me as late as 2 years ago.
A full home desktop rig is really needed only for games, and intensive or complicated work at home. Of course its also needed for school and term papers but Apple clearly has long term plans for that.
What percent of the PC market is the above? I really don't know. But I think we are going to find out. Computers have passed the 80/20 rule...you can now get 80% of you digital life done with 20% of the effort/cost. To get that last 20% is going to cost another 80% of effort/cost. And Apple is the one making it possible. The traditional PC market is possibly about to shrink to mostly professionals and offices.
That is why I'd be pooping my pants if I was an PC manufacturer besides Apple.
I agree an iPad is PC if you`re making the claim that it`s more capable/versatile (better) than my MBP you`re way off base.
Tablets will never replace an actual working computer.
They have far too many limitations by definition.
What is going on here? Waiting for the Android folks to offer explanations. This can't be true. Windows and Android are not bags of malware, have stable and robust OS, and perfect in design. Anyone? Hello?
Edit: Spoke too soon. Looks like they are already trickling in to correct us Apple folks on our misunderstanding of Apple's superior products and success.
I never had problems with malware on my device but whatever. I think it is great that Applw is successful doesn't mean Apple is the only successdul company, success is measured differently by everyone.
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Tablets such as the iPad are actual working computers. Other personal computers have extra capabilities that many personal computer users do not need. Thus the "limitations" of an iPad reduce cost, size and complexity of use, making them better personal computers for many users (millions of them). Not every personal computer has to have every feature that every single user might want.
You probably don't buy a laptop PC with a punched card reader. Why did you buy a product with such a big limitation? Probably because you don't need a punched card reader (which used to come with most computers sold at one time).
iPad = PC
I think if this article was about a Windows Slate, then all the naysayers would be in agreement that that particular tablet was a PC. My guess is that those people don't even consider a Mac a Personal Computer because they do not consider anything that is not running Windows to be a PC. Too bad, it's their loss.
I think if this article was about a Windows Slate, then all the naysayers would be in agreement that that particular tablet was a PC. My guess is that those people don't even consider a Mac a Personal Computer because they do not consider anything that is not running Windows to be a PC. Too bad, it's their loss.
It’s interesting and useful to look at old-style PCs in isolation.
It’s also interesting to look at what’s already starting to replace them: iPads in isolation.
And it’s interesting to look at them as one combined market, too—since the two types of product ARE in competition for many of the same buyers and uses.
Why would people limit themselves to one kind of analysis? Do they just pick the kind that shows data they like better, and deny all the other useful ways of examining the market?
It’s also interesting to look at what’s already starting to replace them: iPads in isolation.
And it’s interesting to look at them as one combined market, too—since the two types of product ARE in competition for many of the same buyers and uses.
Why would people limit themselves to one kind of analysis? Do they just pick the kind that shows data they like better, and deny all the other useful ways of examining the market?
Let's all take a moment of silence to remember those at Foxconn who have made this possible that are no longer with us.
May they rest in peace, but enough of that already. Show me ONE PC manufacturer who does not outsource manufacturing to China or India or Brazil? Of us it's typical; we love judging others and the evil corporations (to feel better about ourselves?), yet we scan the web to get a coupon to get the cheapest price on the latest shiny new gadget...
The current world death rate for people not working at Foxconn is over 100 humans per minute. Don't you want to take moments of silence for them as well?
Did you eat today? Do you know the current worldwide fatality rate for agriculturally related accidents? Why single out iProducts and Foxconn?
PC abbreviation/personal computer
Personal computer, noun
A microcomputer* designed for use by one person at a time.
*Microcomputer, noun A small computer that contains a microprocessor as its central processor.
In the debate as to whether an iPad is a PC, by definition it is. It isn't about the software.
'The iPad is amazing at what it does. But it does not do what a computer is properly intended'
because?
'A computer to me is a device that allows you to compute extensive calculations and increase work efficiency for tasks.'
'My computer is used mainly for typing and doing analysis alongside and running program's like solid works.'
'All these tasks are much better suited to a large desktop (my 27" iMac has aided my final year project so much by being able to have word, excel and a web page open all alongside each other)'
Matching all those definitions, a 13" notebook is also not a computer for you?
As often as I say, iPad is definitely a computer. It fits into the category of –
- portable
- highly programmable
- efficient and extensive
- has sufficient onboard memory to host OS and applications
- provides enough screen estate for the best of the tasks
The only way it cannot be a computer is by adding a specification chart of what it can do and what it cannot.
Even the first Macintosh was called a 'Personal Computer' when it could not do 1/100th of the things, the newest iPad can. It just represents the psychological view of a person who is really more of a geek and has some particular work which he cannot do on an iPad. Simple.
According to your definition, if I design parallel processors, a mac pro is also not a computer.
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I think people have forgotten how far we've come... If the Altair is a PC, why not the iPad?
I have no issue calling an iPad a pc. I just don't see how people then claim an iPhone isn't one as I know I sure treat mine as one
Just goes to show that "metrics" are used to bring a point across and these metrics can be quite subjective depending on what one is trying to convey