It's pretty much the same as the current intel stuff, but slower than the next intel one in Ivy Bridge.
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It's pretty much the same as the current intel stuff, but slower than the next intel one in Ivy Bridge.
And you do that by connecting your MBA to a 27" display which the integrated graphics has zero troubles with driving at respectable speeds? If not, then I think your dismissal is unwarranted, as this is precisely how a big chunk of media professionals, among others, use their current MBPs, and from all the reports I've read, the integrated Intel graphics are sluggish and laggy when driving a display of that resolution when asked to do anything beyond the most basic of 2d. Even instantiating Launchpad apparently becomes very sluggish, so goodness only knows how anybody could reasonably expect the same system to fare when dealing with more demanding applications.
I disagree. It is possible (and rumored) that they are moving towards retina displays on their macbook/pro/air lineup and need the extra spec bump to keep up with the high-res displays.
All I know about graphics cards is that every mac graphic card, ever, has sucked according to everyone. Also, I've been happy with every Mac I've owned.
I assume this is just more of the same?
I assume this is just more of the same?
True but then they took a step forward to make "Pro" spec out more like what a 'pro' might want. I like to buy base models as they hold their value best and then upgrade the ram and hard drive myself. If I have to spend several hundred dollars more to get a 15" laptop with a discrete chip in it, like $1,999, then the entire investment has less value - meaning apple is offering less value that that price point. PC's drop in price but the price point of MBP's have been steady for years. Anyway, let's see what really happens - these are still just rumors
But are these Intel HD4000 GPUs strong enough to do Retina displays on the laptop and desktop platforms while running all your typical software?
Wrong - I use mine all the time for photographic processing running CS5. This mindset that all high end computer use requires SOTA graphics processors is crazy. I want a 15" for the screen size and quad core CPU - I could care less about a discrete graphics chip.
Well, in gaming, probably not. If they go the iDevice route and quadruple the number of pixels, then no, they are not that great. But if you use it to process your content, which isn't going to become four times as complex, then they should do fine.
Personally, i like the option of a 15'' with a integrated GPU.
Ivy Bridge's slides show support for multiple 4K video playback support. Anything 3D is going to be another story entirely. Not to mention pumping that over LVDS or DisplayPort.
SA has information on the nVidia 28nm mobile lineup. The N13P-GT's hardware and some benchmarks were leaked out earlier this month. The GT 650M appears to be based on the GK107 core. Plenty of new shaders but a low core clock. I wonder if hot clocks are still hanging around or if GPU-Z does not report the new Kepler hardware correctly.
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Ever since my 8600m GT burned out on me I'm anti-Nvidia. And I no longer care about dedicated GPU in a mobile computer. I'm sick of wasting money on trying to stuff performance into a mobile computer that will be outdated in a year anyway. Meanwhile sacrificing reliability.
The HD3000 has been good enough for what I want. The HD4000 looks like it will be more of the same.
The HD3000 has been good enough for what I want. The HD4000 looks like it will be more of the same.
Which is another reason why merging the MBA and MBP lines would be disasterous. It's absurd to give up so much...dedicated graphics processing, large HDDs and IMO an optical drive (which I still use heavily) just to get a slightly thinner case. How does this make any sense?
Besides, if you think about it, between the MBA and MBP, the line most likely to be eroded by iPad sales is the MBA. If you mainly consume content, surf, tweet, use Facebook or Linked-In, check email and play some games, the iPad more than suffices. Those are also the users of the MBA.
Havent read much on AMD efforts, but sounds good. I'm a PC gamer who cant drink the "powerful graphics on the new xMac" Apple juice.
What frustrates me most, is that were paying a high premium for a product that fails graphically. Hell, even the Pro is still touting a 5870 as the most powerful BTO option. Jeeze.
Or they can copy Sony and have an external GPU connected thru Thunderbolt. When you need to do real work, you can use that option. I know its not the perfect solution for "on the road warriors" but at least is something.
Isn't AMD 7xxx series supposed to be faster than the nVidia 7xx series?
I don't understand why Apple flip flops with their GPU manufacturer, even when the other brand has superior GPUs. When Apple put the 330m in their notebooks, the 4xxx and 5xxx series was blowing away nvidia's midrange cards. When Apple put in the ATI X1600 series in, nVidia's 7xxx series was blowing ATI's GPUs out of the water.
Can someone explain this to me?
I don't understand why Apple flip flops with their GPU manufacturer, even when the other brand has superior GPUs. When Apple put the 330m in their notebooks, the 4xxx and 5xxx series was blowing away nvidia's midrange cards. When Apple put in the ATI X1600 series in, nVidia's 7xxx series was blowing ATI's GPUs out of the water.
Can someone explain this to me?
Anandtech's Ivy Bridge preview goes into detail on IGP vs. fGPU performance.
AMD had their own claims from the recent 2012 Financial Analyst Day that Trinity's fGPU was already well prepared to exceed whatever Intel had to offer in ULV to full 35/45W power.
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I agree with this. If it's a matter of yields, then my guess is that Apple will offer a 15" MacBook Air/Pro (or perhaps just "MacBook") in a base model with the Intel HD 4000. They can offer an NVIDIA or AMD GPU as an upgrade. There are a lot of people (e.g. my mother) who don't need the power of a separate GPU but prefer a larger screen. This model would appeal to them, and let Apple preserve their supply of discrete GPUs for people willing to pay extra for them.
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I still stand by what I said. Its a consumer laptop that would more likely have vuze installed than cs5
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I still stand by what I said. Its a consumer laptop that would more likely have vuze installed than cs5
I had HP Pavilion with Nvidia 8400 GPU and it melted.
I have read numerous times articles about melted MacBookPro's with Nvidia chips.
Sometime ago I preferred Nvidia because Linux driver support and VDPAU video acceleration... But I've switched to ATI because they run cooler and draw less power.. And they are very hackintosh friendly cards too.
I have read numerous times articles about melted MacBookPro's with Nvidia chips.
Sometime ago I preferred Nvidia because Linux driver support and VDPAU video acceleration... But I've switched to ATI because they run cooler and draw less power.. And they are very hackintosh friendly cards too.
