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Old Mar 20, 2012, 02:51 PM   #26
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It doesn't even need to be "extremely heavy load" to prevent charging while plugged in. In my experience, any use of the new iPad while it is connected to the charger will prevent the battery from charging. It will maintain its current battery status without dropping under normal loads, but I have to leave my iPad alone before it starts to charge.
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 02:52 PM   #27
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Wtf is CR's beef with Apple?
They simply reported their findings in this case. I don't see what the issue is here?
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 02:52 PM   #28
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Rules out using it outside in the summer months in maybe 1/3 of the country... Certainly here in PHX.
I don't know too many Phoenicians that sit out on their patio in the 110 F heat, warm iPad or not.
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 02:52 PM   #29
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I noticed the charging problem. I'm going to call Ape and see what they say. I plugged my iPad into my computer during initial setup / syncing and noticed I actually lost 2% power in that hour.

If this is the case, I'll be returning mine!
That's not a charging problem. Computer USB can't supply 10W.
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 02:52 PM   #30
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Laptops get much warmer than the new ipad, no problem for me there.

But the ability to both charge and use the ipad (in certain instances) is ridiculous for a product on its 3rd cycle like this.

Come on Apple
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 02:53 PM   #31
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Actually my MacBook Pro (2011 17" quad-core) does the same thing. During very heavy load it will not charge and actually drain the battery slowly. I've read on the MBP forums that this is normal, though obviously not ideal.

Always trade-offs. Apple could have included an even bigger battery or charger, but then even more weight. This is probably not a big deal for most iPad users.
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 02:53 PM   #32
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Yes I posted this days ago in the iPad forum.

It will not charge under a heavy load.

The 10W charger is just not powerful enough. The Air uses a charger that is 4 times larger for a battery of near equal size.
Maybe they will issue a stronger charger, or maybe future iPads may have a MagSafe port for charging
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 02:54 PM   #33
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Not being able to charge under heavy load sucks. The heat thing is still a drama queen induced hysteria.

Apple will still sell millions
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 02:54 PM   #34
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I too wonder about a bigger charger—BUT, charging faster would generate more heat I believe. There’s always a trade off. Apple had to choose a balance, and maybe we’d like some other balance even less...

To really decide how “terrible” this “problem” is, a concrete definition of “heavy load” is needed. How often will a given user run into a time period where charging isn’t happening? And how long will that time typically last? How long, in other words, will they be using a load that is “heavy enough” to be an issue?

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I noticed the charging problem. I'm going to call Ape and see what they say. I plugged my iPad into my computer during initial setup / syncing and noticed I actually lost 2% power in that hour.

If this is the case, I'll be returning mine!
Computers don’t always deliver the full power of Apple’s charger.

When I sync with my old white iMac, my iPad 2 doesn’t charge (nor does it lose all that much). There just isn’t sufficient power from the USB port.

Loss of 2% in an hour isn’t critical; it would take over 2 full days to drain, and your synch will be done long before that. I don’t think the issue you’re seeing is the “heavy load” issue, which would be seen in high-end games, for instance (and is kind of to be expected—physics is physics).
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 02:54 PM   #35
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So stupid

Haha this is such a stupid story. The women that wont let her son touch one haha. Do people not realise Normal body temperature is about 37C any way
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 02:54 PM   #36
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Not trying to invoke the name of Jobs as an extreme, but I really don't think he would've tolerated all the compromises of this iPad. The larger thickness, the heat, the charging, all very "non-Apple".

Apple products have always stood head and shoulders above the rest because of little refinements that make the product simple and a joy to use. This iPad seems to take a step back from that.
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Hopefully this will lead to 20W charger replacements from Apple.

And a move to MagSafe on the next iPad.
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 02:55 PM   #38
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Not trying to invoke the name of Jobs as an extreme, but I really don't think he would've tolerated all the compromises of this iPad. The larger thickness, the heat, the charging, all very "non-Apple".

Apple products have always stood head and shoulders above the rest because of little refinements that make the product simple and a joy to use. This iPad seems to take a step back from that.
You don't think so? So they came up with this design the day after he died?
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 02:56 PM   #39
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Actually my MacBook Pro (2011 17" quad-core) does the same thing. During very heavy load it will not charge and actually drain the battery slowly. I've read on the MBP forums that this is normal, though obviously not ideal.

Always trade-offs. Apple could have included an even bigger battery or charger, but then even more weight. This is probably not a big deal for most iPad users.
It's been like that for a while with MacBook Pros - that's why on versions with a removable battery the clock speed drops if you run it without a battery in it
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 02:57 PM   #40
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Wtf is CR's beef with Apple?
Honestly I agree with CR, both then and now. They were right to ding Apple for the antenna problems with the iPhone 4, and they are right to ding them for shipping a device where the battery drains even when you have it plugged in.

The "iPad 3" may be fantastic, but CR is pointing out valid concerns - concerns that have me waiting to buy the iPad 3 until these concerns are fleshed out a bit more.
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 02:58 PM   #41
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fix it software...

'nuff said....
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 02:59 PM   #42
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Hopefully this will lead to 20W charger replacements from Apple.

And a move to MagSafe on the next iPad.
I hope not current MagSafe... that would make for one heck of a lot of unnecessary bulk
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 02:59 PM   #43
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The newer macbook pro's don't charge up while under heavy load.

But keeping it charged while under heavy load, like the ipad 3, prevents the battery's charge from dropping much.

It's a non-issue.
So by jury rigging or not using a device under some typical use cases - that makes it a non-issue. Ok.

I don't think it's a big issue. But it's not a non-issue. A non-issue implies that there's no issue. As in Zero. I think that's not accurate here.
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 02:59 PM   #44
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iPhone 4S also can't charge while playing IB2. Kind of surprised people consider this an issue for the iPad, it would never in a million years occur to me to use an iPad tethered.
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 02:59 PM   #45
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Wtf is CR's beef with Apple?
Yeah, a consumer protection and info company taking on a company who markets its products as perfect and the best of the best despite the flaws. the nerve of consumer reports!

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Old Mar 20, 2012, 02:59 PM   #46
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You don't think so? So they came up with this design the day after he died?
hehe, right? Why do people always act as if they know exactly what "Steve woulda wanted"?
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 02:59 PM   #47
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It really surprised me that the new iPad came with a 10W Adapter instead of a 15W or even better a 20W Adapter.

A bigger battery does require a more powerful charger to avoid the inconvenience of not being able to charge while playing an intensive game.

Then again, isn't it very uncomfortable to play with the charger plugged in?
I've tried it, and it does get in the way.

EDIT: Don't put in between your legs while playing Infinity Blade II, if you plan to have kids some day.
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I don't know too many Phoenicians that sit out on their patio in the 110 F heat, warm iPad or not.
Right, because the jump from 95 to 110 is meaningless.
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my new iPad is much cooler than my Windows 7 notebook.
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 03:00 PM   #50
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Not trying to invoke the name of Jobs as an extreme, but I really don't think he would've tolerated all the compromises of this iPad. The larger thickness, the heat, the charging, all very "non-Apple".

Apple products have always stood head and shoulders above the rest because of little refinements that make the product simple and a joy to use. This iPad seems to take a step back from that.
If you wanted the thickness to stay the same then say goodbye to 9-10 hour battery usage. The heat and charge is an issue? Okay say good bye to the Retina display. The iPhone's retina display was much easier to design due to the amount of pixels it had relative to a retina display on the iPad.

People complain when Apple doesn't push new technology and when they do people complain about the tradeoffs.

Apple is an intuitive company. They do not make tradeoffs that hinder their devices, but they do make trade offs to push newer technology that works great. Also you fail to realize that Jobs was highly involved with the current iPad. Mass production started in early January, that means that testing and design refinements were near to an end around December. He may not have been working on it around the time of his death (early October), but you can be assured that he was involved on the project and was the one who urged for the retina display and LTE capability.
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