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Any sign that the OS X team has taken it's head out of it's behind in ML?
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ixodes
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I've been using Apple computers since System 7. Nearly every upgrade Apple has done to the OS has been quite good.
I'm really enjoying 10.6.8, but find Lion a bit disappointing. It came loaded on my 2011 MBA and for my purposes (work and personal usage), there's nothing to get excited about.
The plan I have is to give it time before deciding if I am going to install it on the rest of my Macs. Hopefully future updates will make it appealing and compelling enough to migrate to for my day to day use.
ClassObject
macrumors 6502
head reappearing from ass
In DP3, we can reenable a don't save prompt. The wording is different, but autosave on closing a file without any kind of confirmation is effectively stopped with this option enabled.
Still no save as..., but I can do the jump through hoop and duplicate thing.
I'm truly excited, as this is the main reason my work-machine is still on 10.6.8.
Bring it on Apple!
In DP3, we can reenable a don't save prompt. The wording is different, but autosave on closing a file without any kind of confirmation is effectively stopped with this option enabled.
Still no save as..., but I can do the jump through hoop and duplicate thing.
I'm truly excited, as this is the main reason my work-machine is still on 10.6.8.
Bring it on Apple!
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InuNacho
macrumors 68010
jameslmoser
macrumors 6502a
It wasn't a RAM issue. The most powerful machine I tried it on was a 2009 Mac Pro.
RAM: 16GB 1066 MHz DDR3,8 core (2009 Mac Pro)
Processor: 2 x 2.93 GHz Quad-Core Xeon
It ran "ok", but no where near as nicely as Snow Leopard. I haven't tried 10.7.3 on it, but I did try 10.7.2 when it was launched, too.
Besides, for the "features" that Lion brought, I should not have had to install more RAM in any of my machines to use it.
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Oh will I... gee I can't wait...🙄
macbook pro i5
macrumors 65816
Why are you getting so excited about? For them finally coming sort of to their senses and fixing their bs? And what's going to happen to pre 2007 macs that can either have sl and no icloud or stick to lion's bugs with icloud? Finally they enabled the option to not save a file you don't want to save, instead of the nanny os saving for you the changes you don't want to save...
Save as has got to come back and versioning as default has got to be a user enabled option as well on a per app and a per document basis. If I don't want os x to version sensitive documents I should be able to choose not to on a per document basis, if someone doesn't want ANY versioning in an app they should be able to opt out as well.
And save as has got to come back, duplicate, wait for window to open, save, close original file, keep new file, is simply not acceptable as work flow. As many people have pointed out save as did too things very well different name, different location via one click or a keyboard shortcut. If they think they got it so right with duplicate let's see them giving an option and counting how many people stick with duplicate and how many go with save as. I would wager not more than 15% sticks with duplicate.
They still have their head pretty firmly in the sun don't shine territory and of course it's encouraging that they are dragging it out begrudgingly but we can't come to the point of ms users circa 5 years ago of actually celebrating their correcting gross errors in the os that they introduced to begin with... but sadly that's the point we've come to at os x's current stage. Which is very sad indeed because some of us didn't switch to macs because of the itoys (ipad excepted which is not an itoy but a category defining revolutionary device) but because of how good, versatile, and effective os x (once the world's most advanced os, not anymore though) was.
To have come to a stage where with a couple of word and excel documents, preview with a few pdfs (and btw, what's with the bugs with preview, crashing after print commands..), and a couple of 7-8 tab browser windows on a 4gb mac (a recently bought mini for example) it runs like a dog and beachballs is a pretty pathetic evolution, albeit a good one for obsoleting older macs and making people buy new machines from apple.
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Yes. This is Apple were talking about. They generally make great stuff, but when they screw up, it takes a while to correct it, if they do it all.
The fact that they are experimenting with this stuff in ML now I find encouraging.
I guess optimism is a hard concept for you.
That has nothing to do with optimism or pessimism whatsoever. If you screw up hard at something and you have most people on your back about it you can't but fix it if you are a for profit company. Let's see if they are going to correct the smb shares issue that's an even bigger screw up and one that doesn't involve a simply better and rational ui choice but actual coding.
I couldn't help but notice that the iPad is considered a revolutionary device and not an iToy. But I have to argue that the smart phone market would not be what it is today without Apple's revolutionary iPhone.
ElectricSheep
macrumors 6502
Don't know if this is new with DP3, but hold down the option key and "Duplicate" becomes "Save As...". At least, in TextEdit, Preview, and Pages.
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more signs that they are coming out for some air finally, now can they set the option key to bring up duplicate and have save as, as standard.
@sdreed, the ipad was put on hold for the iphone to appear because the tech wasn't there yet and the iphone was easier to promote in the cell phone market. Job's pride and joy was and always had been the tablet, he knew that in order to make it work people had to become adjusted first to touch interfaces and os's on a phone, because more people buy phones than tablet devices they can't see a purpose for, as witnessed by oh about 80% of users here asking yeah but what will I need an ipad for months and weeks before its release. Touch screen phones where coming to the market (the lg prada phone was one of the first), apple just pushed the market harder. But multi touch tablets like the ipad where not even a product category, people didn't even see a purpose for them. That's why the real revolution is the ipad, not the iphone.
The ipad's larger screen brings out the versality of the touch interface to design any input on it. Phones with buttons despite going out of fashion are still very good phones, and for some uses buttons have on a phone are actually much better in terms of ease of use when combined with a touch screen than touch screens alone, esp. when current ones don't have tactile feedback.
@sdreed, the ipad was put on hold for the iphone to appear because the tech wasn't there yet and the iphone was easier to promote in the cell phone market. Job's pride and joy was and always had been the tablet, he knew that in order to make it work people had to become adjusted first to touch interfaces and os's on a phone, because more people buy phones than tablet devices they can't see a purpose for, as witnessed by oh about 80% of users here asking yeah but what will I need an ipad for months and weeks before its release. Touch screen phones where coming to the market (the lg prada phone was one of the first), apple just pushed the market harder. But multi touch tablets like the ipad where not even a product category, people didn't even see a purpose for them. That's why the real revolution is the ipad, not the iphone.
The ipad's larger screen brings out the versality of the touch interface to design any input on it. Phones with buttons despite going out of fashion are still very good phones, and for some uses buttons have on a phone are actually much better in terms of ease of use when combined with a touch screen than touch screens alone, esp. when current ones don't have tactile feedback.
tkermit
macrumors 68040
So how does it work (since I assume documents are still being autosaved)? Does it automatically revert the changes made to the original document ?
InuNacho
macrumors 68010
chrono1081
macrumors G3
Not even close. Lion works, Vista didn't (pre-service pack 1). It took months before a fix was released to be able to transfer large amounts of data from one drive to another.
The only people crying about Lion are those who can't adapt to a change in the computer system.
InuNacho
macrumors 68010
Whats the difference between transferring large amounts of data and abysmal battery coupled with a burnt scrotum?
Obviously the people crying are making a large enough presence to sway Apple's stubbornness and return old features.
chrono1081
macrumors G3
I assume you are talking about heat and battery? None of which I, or anyone else I know has a problem with.
Not to mention people crying of forums mean nothing. If its not send through the official channel:
http://www.apple.com/feedback
Its 100% safe to assume that Apple is unaware of it.
I go there at least monthly to ask for updated OpenGL implementations.
@inu
exactly.
I had (sadly) installed and used vista extensively and I didn't come across that. Maybe it was the case and I didn't come across it. Now tell us when is apple going to come up with a fix to allow users to connect properly and quickly and be able to search smb shares, like a sub $300 netbook does? Because I would think that accessing an industry standard network interface in 2012 would be possible on a mac.
What utter rubbish your second "point" is... Apparently those people that can't "adapt" are pushing apple to fix their crap implementation and offer the option for "save as" via pressing and holding cmd, and the option to stop autosaving a document by default upon closing an application. So congratulate yourself for "adapting".
exactly.
I had (sadly) installed and used vista extensively and I didn't come across that. Maybe it was the case and I didn't come across it. Now tell us when is apple going to come up with a fix to allow users to connect properly and quickly and be able to search smb shares, like a sub $300 netbook does? Because I would think that accessing an industry standard network interface in 2012 would be possible on a mac.
What utter rubbish your second "point" is... Apparently those people that can't "adapt" are pushing apple to fix their crap implementation and offer the option for "save as" via pressing and holding cmd, and the option to stop autosaving a document by default upon closing an application. So congratulate yourself for "adapting".
Easy solution. Sell all the apple stuff that you apparently despise. Buy a sub $300 netbook and live happily ever after.
You are the target audience for apple these days, you are exactly the kind of person they want for their user base, the kind that will attack other users' real os problems with sarcasm and derision so they won't be bothered to work more or employ more people to develop better software while they sit on a pile of cash that's more than you, your family, your friends, and their families would make in a 1000 lifetimes... Bravo!
Do it on your own; you now have a choice (again). Set "Save As..." to Command+Shift+S in the Keyboard preferences and it should remain always visible. I assume this would work because the Keyboard Shortcuts function does that for every other hidden option (in Lion).
Meanwhile I'll stick with Duplicate.
Thanks I'll try it out. I hope they make it an option too in lion, because duplicate sucks, and some systems won't be able to have ml as apple is obsoleting them. Not thanks for downrating my post and uprating the other guy's sarcasm on top. And you can be my guest and stick with duplicate since you like the workflow of duplicate, pop (wait for it) another window open, save it as something, close previous window. I don't have an issue with others complicating their lives, I have an issue with self evident bad (ui) design being imposed on me by apple with no option to change it and having to listen to other's sarcasm here on top of it because they are somehow self appointed apple apologists that if apple tomorrow put out a big pile of dog crap called it icrap and priced it at $2000 they 'd still find some way to advocate that it isn't s***.
edit: thanks for downrating me again, it's rather in bad taste when the only people here talking about this are you and me to do it you know, you might as well reply, I am not sticking -1 to your posts when I reply to you, go easy on the rating thing buddy.