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Old May 1, 2012, 03:51 PM   #1
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wow, if I didn't see the word blackberry, I would've thought this was another android phone. It's definitely iPhone + Android but more android copying than anything. The keyboard looks really intuitive like the predictive text pops up above each letter when typing.

Overall, I would NOT buy a RIM device. I would keep my SGS2 and wait for either the next iPhone or the SGS3. This one is not gonna do anything for RIM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEPYYo0-gfc&fmt=7
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Old May 1, 2012, 03:55 PM   #2
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wow, if I didn't see the word blackberry, I would've thought this was another android phone. It's definitely iPhone + Android but more android copying than anything. The keyboard looks really intuitive like the predictive text pops up above each letter when typing.

Overall, I would NOT buy a RIM device. I would keep my SGS2 and wait for either the next iPhone or the SGS3. This one is not gonna do anything for RIM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEPYYo0-gfc&fmt=7
Well....it got you talking about them.
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Old May 1, 2012, 03:59 PM   #3
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Well....it got you talking about them.
talking is different than buying. I don't put my money in any RIM products. They are as good as dead.
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I don't think it looks anything like Android. I really like that keyboard and camera concept, though.
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Vaporware.
The simulated screen images were obvious. Even the shot of the guy taking forever to type a message had overlay artifacts on the edges.
RIM can't even make a decent vaporware video.

The Dev Alpha devices are running QNX flavored desktop that looks a whole lot like Android and nothing like what was shown in the video.
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Old May 1, 2012, 04:44 PM   #6
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talking is different than buying. I don't put my money in any RIM products. They are as good as dead.
I agree, but hey this forum got me to watch the video.
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Old May 1, 2012, 05:24 PM   #7
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BB is such a joke at this point.... this is a worthless thread. I would be enormously more concerned about concrete iPhone 5 news than anything from RIM.
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Old May 1, 2012, 07:24 PM   #8
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Vaporware.
The simulated screen images were obvious. Even the shot of the guy taking forever to type a message had overlay artifacts on the edges.
RIM can't even make a decent vaporware video.

The Dev Alpha devices are running QNX flavored desktop that looks a whole lot like Android and nothing like what was shown in the video.
These aren't simulated and it doesn't look much like Android to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=x5KKQx04yD0
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Old May 1, 2012, 07:36 PM   #9
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These aren't simulated and it doesn't look much like Android to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=x5KKQx04yD0
Different video.
The promo video everyone is talking about is 100% fiction.
You can see the dithering and video artifacts on the display.
It was obviously added in post.

The demo you linked too looks like a black and white ICS theme.
Love the live keyboard demo better than the disaster in the promo video.
The camera app kicks butt too.
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Old May 1, 2012, 07:58 PM   #10
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The keyboard predictive text is cool but rim has a long way to go since Unicode support is non existant. For the English language it is ok.

The best Chinese input belongs on the iOS platform.
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The keyboard predictive text is cool but rim has a long way to go since Unicode support is non existant. For the English language it is ok.

The best Chinese input belongs on the iOS platform.
I do like the predictive text keyboard. Would be nice on my iOS stuff.
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I hope they have more than just a keyboard and email application to wow us with.

That said, this looks like a marriage between iOS and WP7 (from the very VERY little we got to see of it).
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This will probably replace my iphone. After having the playbook which was designed so no home or sleep button is needed going back to the ipad/iphone metaphor is just annoying.

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I do like the predictive text keyboard. Would be nice on my iOS stuff.
It looks nice in theory, but one thing I noticed was in the promo video, how long it took to type "Must be sure to get there early," or whatever the sentence was. I typed out the same sentence on my iPhone and did it way faster.

Considering this is a promotional vid, you'd think they make it appear fast and efficient. The whole idea of preditive text IS to be able to type quickly... quicker than pecking out the whole word on a keyboard, anyway.
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Looks really nice. I hope Blackberry can turn the corner. Remember Apple fans, competition is good.
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One thing that BB still beats everyone in, is their messaging client.
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It will never be that smooth and fluid. I saw promo and preview videos for BB7 and got a Bold 9900 and it wasn't smooth at all.

I'd be impressed if RIM pulled off anything close to this
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I hope they have more than just a keyboard and email application to wow us with.

That said, this looks like a marriage between iOS and WP7 (from the very VERY little we got to see of it).
I see the WP7 style in the home screen, but it seems it stops there. However, I do find the general look more pleasing than Android, it seems very clean and professional looking. iOS also has that look, although some days I wish they'd update it and change it up a bit.

I've never been a user or a fan of Blackberry, however, I must say that I see some pretty cool/nifty ideas integrated in their OS there, that I would want to see on iOS.

- The photo "always on" functionality is actually pretty cool and useful, to get all people in the shot with their best smile.
- The keyboard word select seems also pretty cool in theory. I would have to try using it to see though.

I also like the "flow" thing with swiping from the sides to access different functionality, but I have noticed that on iOS 5 this is sometimes hard to implement, especially when playing games, it sometimes happens that the "notification" tab appears and thinks I am "summoning it". So I don't know how this would work otherwise... However, BB is a business focused platform, so maybe it will work for them.

All things considered, this is why we need competition! Although, I am definitely an Apple fan, it's really a good way of seeing new ideas being thrown in! If Apple can "build upon" (or call it copy or whatever) these functionalities and improve them further, that would be awesome
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It looks like there are some promising things happening here with BB. They will need to do a lot more then this to climb back up near the top, but this is a start and they have to start somewhere. Out of everything I saw in the video I think the camera functionality was the nicest.

Other companies coming out with technology like this can only be good for the competition.
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It will never be that smooth and fluid. I saw promo and preview videos for BB7 and got a Bold 9900 and it wasn't smooth at all.

I'd be impressed if RIM pulled off anything close to this
It is that smooth and isn't vaporware. QNX already exists and runs perfectly fluid on the playbook. I'm pretty sure the phone hardware will at least match the specs of the playbook.
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One thing that BB still beats everyone in, is their messaging client.
Hmmm. I don't feel this way ... not on the Blackberry HH platform, and I've been using BB's, troubleshooting BB's (BES inclusive) for a number of years. There are serious gaps in productivity that only come to light in a corporately deployed (BES) BB.

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You can ONLY look at 1 mailbox at a time - EVEN if Domino/Exchange/GroupWise shows you as a user have full permissions (or specific folder permissions); not to mention calendar, contacts or tasks: iOS & Android offer this for over 12mths now if not longer.


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This will probably replace my iphone. After having the playbook which was designed so no home or sleep button is needed going back to the ipad/iphone metaphor is just annoying.
^ Is it me or does that statement NOT make ANY sense at all?

So you leave your Playbook on the meeting table with outside partners to get at the information within (think OS 2.0.x+) BEFORE the 90 seconds minimum for it to auto lock?! Wait till you have corporate impacting sensitive data that can be used by the competition and basically render your corporation/business obsolete and without funding.



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I do like the predictive text keyboard. Would be nice on my iOS stuff.
YES! However I'd ilke to see something more powerful ... something ALL platforms are lacking, yet hints of it in this demo from RIM's BB 10 Dev Alpha OS.

- imaging typing and not only predictive text, nor even AutoText (iOS: Shortcuts in keyboard) presents auto word completion ... but I'd like the previous think-tank research to come into this.
>> Think about typing and when you begin to type 3 words (works in longer sentences) ... that the auto complete does this:
present the next word that most likely matches in a sentence,
then when selected presents the complete likely scenarios for a FULL sentence!
>> Make this language sensitive, for example those that speak in their native tongue typing a sentence has different structure thus basic google translation doesn't quite work, but suggestive sentencing actually works more like human sentencing. IF THIS can be done ... then this is the NEXT big $$.
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I really like the clean and professional look to it. Apple can lean from this and hopefully do something about the linen and wood textures. At least with gamecenter I understand that it's for entertainment, but add the ability to hide it (and News Stand for gods sake), but linen definitely needs to be fixed IMO.
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It sure looks nice, but is it enough to save RIM? Probably not. If RIM have had released this around the same time iOS 4 came out, we may be seeing a healthier RIM today.
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It sure looks nice, but is it enough to save RIM? Probably not. If RIM have had released this around the same time iOS 4 came out, we may be seeing a healthier RIM today.
RIM is losing enterprise customers (their bread and butter) and I think there's little motivation for consumers to abandon iOS or android (or even WP7 for that matter) for RIM. They have their work cut out that's for sure.

I think from what I saw that Blackberry 10 does look impressive, but its been pushed back a number of times, I wonder if they'll make the 2012 time frame they're shooting for now.
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I have the BB Playbook tablet, and its UI blows iOS and Android out of the water. It's superior in every way I can imagine.

Having said that, it doesn't mean BB will be successful. They could be the next Palm.

I think BB needs to start shipping products as scheduled. If they start delaying products into 2013, they're screwed. If they release products in Q3 or Q4, they may be OK. It's not like they could lose much more market share. They're already close to rock bottom, so they should just not worry about marketshare and focus on releasing on time.



I'd certainly consider a BB device. I have never been a BB user, but since I got my tablet, I'm convinced that it's something that I want to support.

Besides, I don't download that many apps, so it's not a problem for me.
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