Apple Introduces New Mac Mini With Faster Processors and Quad-Core Option - Page 3

Lancer · Oct 23, 2012, 02:16 PM

This is a tough choice, the Mini is out now, keeps the FW port and you get to choose the LCD you want. The iMac 27" is over a month away, and like the Mini now has no DVD and they dropped FW... damn tough choice!

radiohed · Oct 23, 2012, 02:20 PM

Even the server has 5400rpm drives.

My 2010 mini server has 7200rpm drives. Not worth upgrading. I'm just going the throw an ssd in one bay. They are amazing little machines though!

SirHaakon · Oct 23, 2012, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jwsmiths

No.

Depends on who you are. I will be definitely be replacing my aging Mac Pro with one, so at least in one case, the answer is "Yes."

Strapontin · Oct 23, 2012, 02:26 PM

Price is a scandal.

599 dollars for the US market (461 euros)

629 euros for the European Market (777 US dollars).

It's not even 1:1 parity !
Here, Apple is really taking its (european) consumer for an idiot.

Ironduke · Oct 23, 2012, 02:27 PM

So they downgrade the mini but keep the price

Disgusting

SirHaakon · Oct 23, 2012, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by azentropy

But the excitement left when I saw that they removed the discrete graphics!! That is why I didn't get a server model before!

Wow, what the hell... 30 minutes ago the store showed the $799 model with discrete graphics (on the new, updated page with the other new specs), and now they've removed it. THAT'S annoying. Now I may have to re-think.

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PeterQVenkman · Oct 23, 2012, 02:35 PM

I'm going to buy an older gen with discrete graphics from a friend super cheap now.

Thanks Apple. I just saved a ton of money not buying your new mini with crappy graphics.

Although the SSD is tempting... can anyone verify if I can add an SSD to a previous gen mac mini by myself?

dblissmn · Oct 23, 2012, 02:36 PM

This server model is the sleeper upgrade. Ridiculously expensive of course, but unique, no more costly than the previous version, tremendously powerful and connectable, and fairly cheap and straightforward to upgrade. Unfortunate to lose discrete graphics on the standard model though.

linkgx1 · Oct 23, 2012, 02:37 PM

I haven't owned a Mac computer before and was thinking about getting a Mini. Is it worth it? I'd mainly be using it for Photoshop, inDesign, etc. I dislike using Adobe products on Windows computers for some reason.

peterdevries · Oct 23, 2012, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strapontin

Price is a scandal.

599 dollars for the US market (461 euros)

629 euros for the European Market (777 US dollars).

It's not even 1:1 parity !
Here, Apple is really taking its (european) consumer for an idiot.

Apple prices on the website do not contain VAT (European websites do), and we Europeans get two years of warranty and associated service. That costs money, just as store rent or property is more expensive here in Europe than in the US.

There are numerous elements in the equation why we would pay more for the same device.

SirHaakon · Oct 23, 2012, 02:38 PM

Can you just use something like this to get around the graphics card issue?

http://blog.macsales.com/14601-owc-i...ansion-chassis

nutmac · Oct 23, 2012, 02:38 PM

Anyone know if RAM is still user upgradable?

$1049 for quad-core with Fusion drive (1TB HDD + 128GB flash) seems pretty decent, but $300 for 16GB is rather excessive ($81.99 at Crucial).

OldSchoolMacGuy · Oct 23, 2012, 02:39 PM

Wow, nothing but a bunch of cry babies in here. Bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch about everything every single time Apple updates anything. They could add ever feature every single person here requests and still you guys would cry like a bunch of beaten children that they didn't add something more.

Yes the mini doesn't have top of the line graphics performance. It's the cheapest entry level machine they offer. Deal with it. You're expecting way too much.

Dammit Cubs · Oct 23, 2012, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Spanky Deluxe

No discrete graphics chips anymore. Downgraded to Intel graphics across the board. Weak.

I just realised that the new 13" Retina MacBook Pro doesn't even have discreet graphics. I'm not sure how they can get away with driving that many pixels with only a weak integrated graphics chip. The whole lineup looks quite poor at the moment in my opinion. The 13" rMBP and Mac Mini are hindered by poor graphics and the iMac's missing the retina display that everyone knows is due at some point. I see no reason to upgrade from my ageing tech at the moment.

Considering it's a pro line. I probably can see that. but if you think about it, most pro 13 inch models have been losing the dedicated GPU for quite sometime. I don't know how you didn't see this coming.

As for "sluggish" feeling. I have a macbook pro retina 15 and while monitior GPU usage, I can tell you that my Dedicated GPU does not turn on unless i'm running flash or other times of media. That means standard usage for websites, and other computer applications DO NOT NEED THE GRAPHICS CARD. it's not sluggish at all.

HD4000 is fine for this type of usage. As proven in the real world.

mdelvecchio · Oct 23, 2012, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer

Waste of time manufacturing this out.

It's nothing but a door stop and a use for surfing the web and email. Too bad. You put in more ram, hybrid drives and you can't manage a 7 series Mobile from AMD or a 6 series mobile from Nvidia. Pathetic.

looks like a fine desktop workstation to me. not every use-case calls for stellar graphics. most office jobs and mom-and-pop desktops dont. its $599 for chrissakes.

EDarkness · Oct 23, 2012, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchoolMacGuy

Wow, nothing but a bunch of cry babies in here. Bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch about everything every single time Apple updates anything. They could add ever feature every single person here requests and still you guys would cry like a bunch of beaten children that they didn't add something more.

Yes the mini doesn't have top of the line graphics performance. It's the cheapest entry level machine they offer. Deal with it. You're expecting way too much.

What are you talking about? This supposed to be an upgrade over the previous version. No one is asking for super high end, but simply a better graphics card than the last model. That shouldn't be too much to ask for.

SirHaakon · Oct 23, 2012, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchoolMacGuy

Yes the mini doesn't have top of the line graphics performance. It's the cheapest entry level machine they offer. Deal with it. You're expecting way too much.

I don't think asking for a computer with a graphics card is "way too much to ask." The only computer with reasonable graphics Apple offers anymore is the iMac (and even then, they aren't fantastic graphics), and not all of us wish to use those displays.

mdelvecchio · Oct 23, 2012, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ironduke

So they downgrade the mini but keep the price

Disgusting

...not nearly as disgusting as your sense of entitlement. vote with your feet -- go buy something else.

subsonix · Oct 23, 2012, 02:45 PM

As others have mentioned the article is wrong, both the mid level and server model has core i7.

satirev · Oct 23, 2012, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nutmac

Anyone know if RAM is still user upgradable?

This. anyone know? $300 for 16gb is an absolute rip off

linkgx1 · Oct 23, 2012, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdelvecchio

...not nearly as disgusting as your sense of entitlement. vote with your feet -- go buy something else.

I thought that you vote with your dollar. But I've been wrong before

OldSchoolMacGuy · Oct 23, 2012, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by satirev

This. anyone know? $300 for 16gb is an absolute rip off

Yes it is. As you can see here:

Quote:

Add memory with a twist.

Mac mini comes with 4GB of fast 1600MHz DDR3 memory. And thanks to a removable bottom panel, it’s easy to add more. Just give it a twist, and you’re in. Pop your new memory into the SO-DIMM slot, and you’re out. Or you can configure your Mac mini with up to 16GB of memory from the start at the Apple Online Store.

http://www.apple.com/mac-mini/features.html#memory

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Quote:

Originally Posted by EDarkness

What are you talking about? This supposed to be an upgrade over the previous version. No one is asking for super high end, but simply a better graphics card than the last model. That shouldn't be too much to ask for.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirHaakon

I don't think asking for a computer with a graphics card is "way too much to ask." The only computer with reasonable graphics Apple offers anymore is the iMac (and even then, they aren't fantastic graphics), and not all of us wish to use those displays.

It's faster than the offering before. Deal with it. Crying a bit more should make Apple change everything. Good luck.

http://www.apple.com/mac-mini/features.html#graphics

helmut89 · Oct 23, 2012, 03:00 PM

Wow, just when I was about to replace my garbage 5yr old dell to move to OSX, they downgrade the mini.

Basically they just added USB 3.0 and ivy bridge and all hard drives are 5400rpm. Plus no discrete graphics.

subsonix · Oct 23, 2012, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by helmut89

Wow, just when I was about to replace my garbage 5yr old dell to move to OSX, they downgrade the mini.

No they didn't.

SirHaakon · Oct 23, 2012, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchoolMacGuy

It's faster than the offering before. Deal with it. Crying a bit more should make Apple change everything. Good luck.

http://www.apple.com/mac-mini/features.html#graphics

Yeah, except that is comparing the new integrated graphics against the old integrated graphics... we're asking for a discrete graphics option (which there used to be, and has since been axed). The new integrated graphics aren't faster than the previous option, which makes it a downgrade. And we're discussing, not crying - which is something you do on, you know, a discussion forum.

I also presented a possible alternative which neither you or anyone else responded to... maybe you could be more productive instead of just being a troll?

Oct 23, 2012, 02:20 PM	#52
radiohed macrumors regular Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Portland, ME	Even the server has 5400rpm drives. My 2010 mini server has 7200rpm drives. Not worth upgrading. I'm just going the throw an ssd in one bay. They are amazing little machines though! __________________ Mini Server 2.66 running ML Client, 8gb, 756gb Fusion Drive, 23" IPS HD Display Time Capsule iPod Shuffle iPod 6G nano iPad Retina 16 4g
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Oct 23, 2012, 02:27 PM	#55
Ironduke macrumors 65816 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: England	So they downgrade the mini but keep the price Disgusting __________________ iMac 21.5" 4GB Ram, ATI 4670, 500GB HD - 13" Unibody Macbook Collectors Edition 2.4GHz, 4GB Ram, 320GB HD - iPhone 3G
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Oct 23, 2012, 02:37 PM	#59
linkgx1 macrumors 6502a Join Date: Oct 2011	I haven't owned a Mac computer before and was thinking about getting a Mini. Is it worth it? I'd mainly be using it for Photoshop, inDesign, etc. I dislike using Adobe products on Windows computers for some reason. __________________ “’The reason we [won't] make a 7-inch tablet isn’t because we don’t want to hit [a lower] price point,’ --Steve Jobs
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Oct 23, 2012, 02:39 PM	#63
OldSchoolMacGuy macrumors 6502a Join Date: Jul 2008	Wow, nothing but a bunch of cry babies in here. Bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch about everything every single time Apple updates anything. They could add ever feature every single person here requests and still you guys would cry like a bunch of beaten children that they didn't add something more. Yes the mini doesn't have top of the line graphics performance. It's the cheapest entry level machine they offer. Deal with it. You're expecting way too much.
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Oct 23, 2012, 02:16 PM	#51
Lancer macrumors 65816 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Australia	This is a tough choice, the Mini is out now, keeps the FW port and you get to choose the LCD you want. The iMac 27" is over a month away, and like the Mini now has no DVD and they dropped FW... damn tough choice!
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Oct 23, 2012, 02:26 PM	#54
Strapontin macrumors newbie Join Date: Feb 2012	Price is a scandal. 599 dollars for the US market (461 euros) 629 euros for the European Market (777 US dollars). It's not even 1:1 parity ! Here, Apple is really taking its (european) consumer for an idiot.
	4

Oct 23, 2012, 02:35 PM	#57
PeterQVenkman macrumors 68000 Join Date: Mar 2005	I'm going to buy an older gen with discrete graphics from a friend super cheap now. Thanks Apple. I just saved a ton of money not buying your new mini with crappy graphics. Although the SSD is tempting... can anyone verify if I can add an SSD to a previous gen mac mini by myself?
	4

Oct 23, 2012, 02:36 PM	#58
dblissmn macrumors regular Join Date: Apr 2002	This server model is the sleeper upgrade. Ridiculously expensive of course, but unique, no more costly than the previous version, tremendously powerful and connectable, and fairly cheap and straightforward to upgrade. Unfortunate to lose discrete graphics on the standard model though.
	0

Oct 23, 2012, 02:38 PM	#61
SirHaakon macrumors 6502a Join Date: Jun 2007	Can you just use something like this to get around the graphics card issue? http://blog.macsales.com/14601-owc-i...ansion-chassis
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Oct 23, 2012, 02:38 PM	#62
nutmac macrumors 68000 Join Date: Mar 2004	Anyone know if RAM is still user upgradable? $1049 for quad-core with Fusion drive (1TB HDD + 128GB flash) seems pretty decent, but $300 for 16GB is rather excessive ($81.99 at Crucial).
	0

Oct 23, 2012, 02:45 PM	#69
subsonix macrumors 68000 Join Date: Feb 2008	As others have mentioned the article is wrong, both the mid level and server model has core i7.
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Oct 23, 2012, 03:00 PM	#73
helmut89 macrumors newbie Join Date: Oct 2012	Wow, just when I was about to replace my garbage 5yr old dell to move to OSX, they downgrade the mini. Basically they just added USB 3.0 and ivy bridge and all hard drives are 5400rpm. Plus no discrete graphics.
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