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'Nightline' Looks at Apple's Woes as Stock Declines 20% from All-Time High

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samcraig

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Lark.Landon said:
If Apple has billions of dollars....

And is a bunch of "retards"

And you don't have billions of dollars...

Wouldn't that make you dumber than a retard? :rolleyes:
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Are you intentionally giving the poorest logic example possible?

Forget the fact that you and the other poster shouldn't be using that word. Your logic is ridiculous.

Having money isn't a sign if intelligence. Not having money isn't a sign of lack of intelligence.

That's like saying - I had pizza for lunch and I live in NYC. Since you didn't have pizza - you don't live in NYC.
 
Dammit Cubs

Dammit Cubs

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Apple's retina display Macbook pro's + new ipad with retina display are probably two best items they can launch in a long time.

I have never been happier with a computer. EVER
 
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divinox

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There she blows. Nasty TA. Free fall ahead.

(that said, the cat will bounce - dead or alive.)
 
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ixodes

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HiRez said:
I wouldn't say it's "just fine", because the stock is down something like 23% off its peak. That's almost a quarter of the company's value in just a month or so. When is the last time that happened? Looks like over 4 years ago, at the height of the financial crisis (when every company got hit). So this is unfortunately significantly more than just normal ups and downs of the stock market, and it doesn't appear to be over yet either.
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Oh don't get me wrong, I'm well aware as an Apple investor of many years. Yet I feel that APPL was somewhat overvalued prior to the decline. History reveals this kind of movement (not referencing the amount) after most presidential election cycles, yet it's a bit more pronounced this time as the country moves towards redistribution of wealth & a socialist environment.
 
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iEvolution

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Eventually the stock will have to go down it isn't going up forever.

However it seems to be a weird time for stock to drop considering their recent updates.

Though personally I won't be buying Apple products for awhile after that move with the lightning adapter.
 
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mccldwll

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xofruitcake said:
But you know that the killer 4Q12 holiday session will make less money than 4Q11 session, right?
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Um........but you do know that that was just guidance and that aapl always guides to what it absolutely knows with certainty it can do, not what it thinks it can do or hopes it can do? You do know that last year aapl beat its fiscal 1Q (the holiday quarter you incorrectly refer to as Q4) by 40%? You do know that, right???????
 
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Breckenridge

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Feb 21, 2006
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Timmy is not jobs

I would like to buy 2 27 inch iMacs for my office, however, I cannot even purchase an older model from the apple store. I have to wait 2 more month!? Mac Pro anyone? I don't need a new iPhone I already have one, actually I have two. I don't need a new iPad I already have two. I don't need an iPod. I need two new iMacs.

Jobs Would have kept the new model a secret, continued selling the older model and it Would be available for purchase at the Apple Store today. Thank you Tim for caring about all the professionals who used apple products for decades.
 
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jw2002

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phillipduran said:
What about the coming increase from 15% to 25% for cashing out stocks.

That's what's driving this sell off from what I have gathered.
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That would be pure idiocy. What kind of chump would sell a stock that has doubled in the past year out of unfounded fear of a measly 5% change in a tax? I think this kind of talk is coming from conspiracy theorists bitter about a certain recent election outcome.
 
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techkidd4400

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linuxcooldude said:
I whole heartedly agree. If the market share of Android was so amazing, the stock prices of Google would at least be on par with Apples.
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I hope your wallet agrees. If Apple continues to lose market share, it may do fine with sales, but the equity market will take note of the loss in market share.
 
kdarling

kdarling

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linuxcooldude said:
More then likely he is comparing it against Android market share. But as usual, Android market share/profits are split between hundreds of different manufactures, still making Apple one of the top leaders.
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The "hundreds of different manufacturers" don't matter that much.

Samsung and Apple alone dominate the smartphone sales market these days:

2012-leaders.png
 
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kaldezar

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jw2002 said:
That would be pure idiocy. What kind of chump would sell a stock that has doubled in the past year out of unfounded fear of a measly 5% change in a tax? I think this kind of talk is coming from conspiracy theorists bitter about a certain recent election outcome.
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The kind of chump:) who has a better grasp of mathematics than you do. If the tax is going from 15% to 25% that is a 66% increase not 5%? A very compelling reason for realising capital gains.:)
 
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FluJunkie

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samcraig said:
Exactly. No one seems to call manipulation when the stock surges. Only when if falls...
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I actually did. I really disliked when Apple was being rapidly propelled upwards as the new favorite trader plaything.

Sold some of my shares when that kid was on here trying to get his parents to refinance their house and put all their money in the "sure bet" that Apple was going to rise ever and always.

Can't say I'm sad about it.
 
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mccldwll

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mackinmike said:
smart move. i started to short at 697. if you learned anything from the past, nothing goes up forever especially this fast and the fact that apple has lost its innovation and erosion in their marketshare in phones and tablets. i really hope people can read the writing on the wall. the selloff was obvious.
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That's funny. Of course you did. Almost as funny as believing anyone here would believe you. You've been on here since day one claiming how much better your Slll is than your iPhone 5, iPhone is outdated, iPhone is small, blah, blah, blah. Something new and different here, a Samsuck worker troll. :p
 
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iphoneclassic

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When Steve was at the helm every decision he took made sense at the end. So Apple wants people to go with same theorey. Apple seems to make lot of mistakes in recent past.

There are probably Million+ hardcore fanboys who will defend whatever does.

There are few millions of Apple stock holders who want believe Apple always does the right thing. Rightfully so when bulk of your portfolio is Apple stock.

But company's future depends on whether remaining 100s of millions continue to buy Apple products.

Neither fanboys nor stockholder with their positive spin can achieve this only real good(not just approved by fanboy/stock holder) products can do that.
 
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mccldwll

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kas23 said:
Well, truthful or not, this doesn't sound good:

http://readwrite.com/2012/11/08/whats-it-like-to-work-for-tim-cook-a-former-sales-exec-dishes
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The operative part is "or not". Lyons long ago established his bona fides as a complete douchebag. He's a joke, a buffoon, a pathetic shell of a human being. He is not respected in the overall tech community. He's a sad, bitter person, and it will only get worse for him as he completes his transition into a tabloid scribe.
 
noisycats

noisycats

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jw2002 said:
That would be pure idiocy. What kind of chump would sell a stock that has doubled in the past year out of unfounded fear of a measly 5% change in a tax? I think this kind of talk is coming from conspiracy theorists bitter about a certain recent election outcome.
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Leaving the obvious math fallacies aside, it is called "harvesting" and depending on personal and particular circumstances, is the recommended investment activity between now and the end of the year.

Look across the entire stock markets, millions are 'harvesting' their cap gains and will likely continue to do so until the New Year. You lock in your gains at 15% (versus the suspected upcoming 25%), wait 30 days, then rebuy -- hopefully at lower pricepoint and certainly with a favorably adjusted cost basis.
 
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mccldwll

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greatfx said:
$120 billion in cash. A lot of people play that as a strength. I think a lot of investors see it as a weakness. I didn't think it was a great sign when Apple started paying dividends. That is kind of a sign that they have matured and are no longer a growth stock.

$120 billion in cash, paying of dividends, it just means they don't have anywhere to spend money. Why does a company go public? To raise capital because they believe they can make money with money. Amazon made a loss? What were their expenditures? A whole lot of capital expenditures, which is sure to bring returns in the future. Apple is just sitting on a mountain of cash and it is not doing a single bit of work. Cash/Cash Equivalents and short term investments are not generating massive returns.

Their product lines are widening. If they continue to release new product lines they will suffer the same bloat and inefficiencies as everyone else. They don't know what to do. I wouldn't know what to do.

They have the company riding on one product. Consumers are fickle and quick to bore. They can't keep on making things thinner and they can't rock the boat with iPhone. Something has got to give.
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You really are just parroting hedge fund talking points if you think that paying a small dividend signals the end of growth and that $120B is sitting around doing nothing. Have you even glanced at aapl's capex for past several years? Know anything about its arrangements with suppliers?

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noisycats said:
Leaving the obvious math fallacies aside, it is called "harvesting" and depending on personal and particular circumstances, is the recommended investment activity between now and the end of the year.

Look across the entire stock markets, millions are 'harvesting' their cap gains and will likely continue to do so until the New Year. You lock in your gains at 15% (versus the suspected upcoming 25%), wait 30 days, then rebuy -- hopefully at lower pricepoint and certainly with a favorably adjusted cost basis.
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Wait 30 days to rebuy?
 
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