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No! Bendgate is real!
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I think it's cute that everyone thinks if they make fun of and berate every poster that brings up a bent phone, that the issue will go away and that there is no problem what so ever with a phone that's too tall and too thin and too narrow and that's made out of metal that is too soft. Fact is, you can't subject this phone to the same stresses that you could with the previous phone because it bends and there's no amount of denying that will make these many reported issues go away.
That's easy to explain.
In fact many people would know the truth... if they did the research. Apple worked very hard to deny & conceal this genuine problem, yet the proof was one search away.
The masters at deception they fed the iDevotees just what they wanted to hear, there's no such thing, blah, blah, blah. Being a rather gullible group they believed everything Steve said. Yet those who had an iP4 knew better.
Much to Apples dismay, the truth leaked out via the Wall St Journal, yet the day after the article was scrubbed from the web.
Fact:
1) The external perimeter antenna was Steve's idea. What Steve wants, Steve gets. Or else.
2) During testing the engineers discovered it was a very poor performer.
3) Steve was alerted in time to fix it, but waved his magic wand over it & told them to ship it.
4) Once the pre-ordered iPhone 4's were in the hands of users like me, and wouldn't even pickup a signal where our iPhone 3G's would very easily, the uproar began.
5) Public pressure built & Steve held a press conference. Then the ugly, ultra arrogant, & very angry Jobs reared up & spewed ... "You're Holding It Wrong!"
After all what do us three year olds know about using a cell phone?
Further Proof.
Even the masses of iDevotees in denial couldn't help but notice that Apple posted jobs for "Antenna Specialists" then created an entire department.
Further Proof.
iPhone 4S is released to much boasting about it's "new & improved" as highlighted by Apple.
Ya gotta give em credit Apple's the master of smoke & mirrors deception. They pull it off quite well.
You just blew your entire argument out of the water by saying "you can't subject this phone to the same stresses....". You're right, it's a phone not a car jack. IF you apply abusive presure to the device you'll abuse it.... Makes sense to me. The only problem is people are lying and saying it simply happened all on it's own as it sat next to them on a table as they watched tv ect ect. Not true, never happened.
To be clear, I'm not saying the phone doesn't bend, it obviously does. I simply am saying aluminum such as the kind that's in the iPhone does not spontaneously bend without force being applied. It will however bend if abusive pressure is applied.
For sake of conversation, I'll take your post as fact.
I'll be open to hear more.
My initial response was based on two factors.
1) My trust (possibly misplaced) in Apples engineering team
2) Never having heard of this even though about 50 iPhone 5 users work in my building. Yet in fairness the other phone the company issues is an SGS III, of which more than 80 employees chose. So my only point is company phones take a beating & I would have heard of bent phones.
But I'm not saying it's impossible to bend one.
So now that you know my point of reference, I'd like to hear more. If true I obviously need to be informed about this.
Please advise, your posts I trust.
I know a few people who keep their iPhone 5 in their back pocket (tight jeans too) out of habit and they're not bent.
You really want me to reply to this thread?
Unlike some people whose job it is to post on this forum, I just come in to find out about iProducts and complain if there are problems with those that I have. So you may or may not see me for long or short periods of time. Apparently I was in the market for an iPhone 5, but this bendgate thingy is giving me second thoughts. I do own a 3GS (and a lost iPhone 4) so I am familiar with iDevices to some extent.
Those that do own one, can you measure the diameter of the thickness near the edge where the volume button is? I think combined it is less than 2 millimeters. NOTHING 2 millimeters can withstand any force no matter how strong. Someone calculated the pressure inside a coke bottle is enough to bend 2 millimeters thick of 6061 Aluminum. Regular 6061 is so soft you just won't believe it. Do you know why the paint and the anodized stuff comes right off when you poke an iPhone 5? It is THAT soft. For 6061-T6, about 150 pounds of force for 2 millimeters. (in psi I think). Now this is only the edge, not the whole back. Unfortunately, the edge is what keeps the phone in that shape. A thin ply of aluminum sheet is VERY bendable unless it has that edge surrounding the phone. For analogy it is like holding a piece of paper, the other end will fall down due to gravity.
So with only 2 millimeters total of soft 6061 aluminum holding that shape, ALL iPhones 5 are susceptible to bending with light pressure (the SIM card may side may be a little stronger but that is also a weak spot). Only 6061-T6 is going to solve this problem, or another higher grade aluminum, but temporarily (some people are heavier than 150 pounds). You can't keep bending it back because sooner or later that thin layer of aluminum near the volume button will break (I saw some photos where that place broke too).
If you don't believe me, try it. Take an iPhone 4/4S and try to bend it. The glass and the stainless steel is so sturdy. Even plastic is sturdy (just bounces back). But Aluminum has memory. It is like bending a paperclip, it will stay in that shape, and if you bend it back, it will break eventually if you bend it back and forth. The ONLY way this can be fixed is if they use a higher grade aluminum or 6061-T6. If not, this is really a sad development. This is not a minor problem. iPhone 4/4S if you don't drop it ok, maybe. But iPhone 5 you can't even handle it a little rough? It is getting too delicate to the point where you can't even carry it around with you.
Someone has to talk sense to the designers, QA, whatever. Is Cook going to apologize for this too? And then get Ive fired? Or does Ive get free reign type of thing like the press are saying? Yeah, I am stirring a can of worms, but I originally thought software was only their problem for a multi-billinon dollar company, now I have to consider hardware problems in buying decisions too now? Sorry if this rubs a lot of people the wrong way, but someone has to talk sense to these people. I will willingly use stainless steel for iPhone 5, put in 1080p if you can. I can't imagine buying a phone that will bend in a few months time unless I don't touch it.
Unlike some people whose job it is to post on this forum, I just come in to find out about iProducts and complain if there are problems with those that I have. So you may or may not see me for long or short periods of time. Apparently I was in the market for an iPhone 5, but this bendgate thingy is giving me second thoughts. I do own a 3GS (and a lost iPhone 4) so I am familiar with iDevices to some extent.
Those that do own one, can you measure the diameter of the thickness near the edge where the volume button is? I think combined it is less than 2 millimeters. NOTHING 2 millimeters can withstand any force no matter how strong. Someone calculated the pressure inside a coke bottle is enough to bend 2 millimeters thick of 6061 Aluminum. Regular 6061 is so soft you just won't believe it. Do you know why the paint and the anodized stuff comes right off when you poke an iPhone 5? It is THAT soft. For 6061-T6, about 150 pounds of force for 2 millimeters. (in psi I think). Now this is only the edge, not the whole back. Unfortunately, the edge is what keeps the phone in that shape. A thin ply of aluminum sheet is VERY bendable unless it has that edge surrounding the phone. For analogy it is like holding a piece of paper, the other end will fall down due to gravity.
So with only 2 millimeters total of soft 6061 aluminum holding that shape, ALL iPhones 5 are susceptible to bending with light pressure (the SIM card may side may be a little stronger but that is also a weak spot). Only 6061-T6 is going to solve this problem, or another higher grade aluminum, but temporarily (some people are heavier than 150 pounds). You can't keep bending it back because sooner or later that thin layer of aluminum near the volume button will break (I saw some photos where that place broke too).
If you don't believe me, try it. Take an iPhone 4/4S and try to bend it. The glass and the stainless steel is so sturdy. Even plastic is sturdy (just bounces back). But Aluminum has memory. It is like bending a paperclip, it will stay in that shape, and if you bend it back, it will break eventually if you bend it back and forth. The ONLY way this can be fixed is if they use a higher grade aluminum or 6061-T6. If not, this is really a sad development. This is not a minor problem. iPhone 4/4S if you don't drop it ok, maybe. But iPhone 5 you can't even handle it a little rough? It is getting too delicate to the point where you can't even carry it around with you.
Someone has to talk sense to the designers, QA, whatever. Is Cook going to apologize for this too? And then get Ive fired? Or does Ive get free reign type of thing like the press are saying? Yeah, I am stirring a can of worms, but I originally thought software was only their problem for a multi-billinon dollar company, now I have to consider hardware problems in buying decisions too now? Sorry if this rubs a lot of people the wrong way, but someone has to talk sense to these people. I will willingly use stainless steel for iPhone 5, put in 1080p if you can. I can't imagine buying a phone that will bend in a few months time unless I don't touch it.
I love the people who don't think it's real because it hasn't happened to everyone. My last iPhone 5 DID bend and I didn't subject it to anything I didn't subject my 4 to.
Genuine engineers are sufficiently articulate that they don't need to resort to a large font to express theirself.
Um...why would anyone purposely try to bend a phone? Also, just don't sit on it or subject it to brute force, etc. I have a case on mine and have taken it off and on many times...it's a snug case and I have to pry the phone out...no bends whatsoever...I even yank it from the top so the "stress point" as you say, right by the volume buttons, is taking most of the force. No problems at all.
What I've learned from MacRumors postings:
1. Glass can break when dropped
2. Aluminum can scratch when scratched
3. Aluminum can bend with force
4. Phones and water don't mix
5. Batteries die when you use them
1. Glass can break when dropped
2. Aluminum can scratch when scratched
3. Aluminum can bend with force
4. Phones and water don't mix
5. Batteries die when you use them