Register FAQ / Rules Forum Spy Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
Go Back   MacRumors Forums > News and Article Discussion > MacRumors.com News Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old Aug 23, 2012, 11:30 AM   #176
swester
macrumors member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
I love CS:GO. Brings back a lot of memories of the good 'ol days of LAN parties and whatnot.

Sure, there's a lot of whining from people who spent far too long getting accustomed to CS: Source, but I'm happy that this version sort of resets the playing field in terms of the hitbox and accuracy. And the graphics + audio are an excellent upgrade as well. Runs like butter on my MBP. For $14.99, what a steal!

I will miss hearing "Fire in the hole!", though.
swester is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Aug 23, 2012, 12:36 PM   #177
faroZ06
Banned
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Quote:
Originally Posted by cgk.emu View Post
The problem is that there wasn't any technical specifications listed in the original article. Otherwise, it is open to interpretation by individual users, which, in the case of MR, is most often amazingly misinformed and wrong.
It does list the specs. I looked up the Windows specs, and they are about the same except that a much better GPU is required and I think a slightly better CPU for Windows.
faroZ06 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Aug 23, 2012, 12:44 PM   #178
Eidorian
macrumors Penryn
 
Eidorian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Cuidad de México
Send a message via AIM to Eidorian
Quote:
Originally Posted by faroZ06 View Post
It does list the specs. I looked up the Windows specs, and they are about the same except that a much better GPU is required and I think a slightly better CPU for Windows.
The E6600 is a 2.4 GHz dual core from 2006. I recall playing the original CS: Source on a single core Athlon XP and a Radeon 9600 in 2004.

The Mac OS X requirements are a sliver higher with the base being a DirectX 10 level cards vs. the DirecX 9 era Shader Model 3.0. I have no idea why so many people are tied up over specifications for a Source based game.
__________________
Core i5 750 / 16 GB RAM / 500 GB SSD / HD 7950 / Windows 8.1
77 Month Old MacBook
Eidorian is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Aug 23, 2012, 01:35 PM   #179
munkery
macrumors 68020
 
munkery's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Don't some of the specs that satisfy the Mac system requirements only have 128 MB GPUs?

Or, do other factors than that have a bigger impact in GPU performance?

Is a GPUs openGL/openCL support analogous to its DirectX capability?
___

Obviously, openCL performance is better on Mac than Linux. Intel graphics support is supposedly better in 10.8 than Linux. Proprietary drivers from GPU manufacterers exist for Linux so Linux has better performance with dedicated cards but Linux has flaky support for machines with switchable graphics.

So, overall which OS has better graphics drivers support?
munkery is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Aug 23, 2012, 01:40 PM   #180
Eidorian
macrumors Penryn
 
Eidorian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Cuidad de México
Send a message via AIM to Eidorian
Quote:
Originally Posted by munkery View Post
Don't some of the specs that satisfy the Mac system requirements only have 128 MB GPUs?

Or, do other factors than that have a bigger impact in GPU performance?

Is a GPUs openGL/openCL support analogous to its DirectX capability?
___

Obviously, openCL performance is better on Mac than Linux. Intel graphics support is supposedly better in 10.8 than Linux. Proprietary drivers from GPU manufacterers exist for Linux so Linux has better performance with dedicated cards but Linux has flaky support for machines with switchable graphics.

So, overall which OS has better graphics drivers support?
The Source engine is limited to the DirectX 9 coderpath and whatever feature "equivalent" over on OpenGL. HDR was the major addition years ago. On the CPU side, TF2/L4D2 added multi-core rendering support.

The CS: Source requirements under OS X include the X1000/7000 era level of cards. GS: GO steps up the requirements for Windows and OS X.
__________________
Core i5 750 / 16 GB RAM / 500 GB SSD / HD 7950 / Windows 8.1
77 Month Old MacBook
Eidorian is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Aug 23, 2012, 02:33 PM   #181
blackcro55
macrumors newbie
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Completely mixed 'firsts' and other claims

As pointed out by others, Steam has launched LOTS of major titles onto the Mac: Portal 1 AND 2, Half Life 2 and Episode 1. L4D 1 and 2 and others.

However Counter Strike: Source has been out on the Mac for several years, so CS:GO isn't even the first as claimed here.

And it isn't even the first simultaneous release.

Some seriously wrong info in this post.
blackcro55 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Aug 23, 2012, 04:01 PM   #182
MagnusVonMagnum
macrumors 68040
 
MagnusVonMagnum's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Quote:
Originally Posted by ArtOfWarfare View Post
Be that as it may, it's of interest only to Mac Gamers, and not a rumor, and so aught to go into the Mac Blog. Just my two cents on that matter.
Final Cut Pro announcements are only of interest to people who edit video. Logic is only of interest to people who record music. Should those not be on the front page either? Exactly how many people have to be involved before it's news worthy? As for rumors, much of the 'announcements' or 'confirmations' as it were are not "rumors" either, but news. MacRumors is only about 50% rumors, IMO. I'll leave it to others to determine whether its aptly named or not. Personally, I like actual news as much as rumors so it doesn't bother me either way.
__________________
Mac Mini Server 2012 (2.3GHz Quad i7, 8GB, 2x1TB RAID 0) ; External 12x Memorex Blu-Ray USB3, External WD 3x3TB,1x2TB HD USB3)
15" Matte MBP 2.4GHz, 4GB/500GB, NVidia 8600M GT; 3 ATV; 2 iPod Touch
MagnusVonMagnum is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Aug 24, 2012, 09:30 AM   #183
divinox
macrumors 68000
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by theineffablebob View Post
Obviously the original CS runs on GoldSrc. I was talking about Source and up since any computer can run CS 1.6 today. Also, Source is built off of GoldSrc, just with significant changes to the engine.
If it was obvious, why make such a retarded comment? Second, who cares what you were talking about? I made the original statement, you jumped me. Third, Source is as much related to Gold as i am to the president. And last, what the hell does "off of" mean anyway.
divinox is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Aug 24, 2012, 12:53 PM   #184
Athonline
macrumors member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by jterp7 View Post
lets not be absurd..my desktop (RIP thanks gigabyte) of 4yrs still outperformed my rMBP and it had an absolutely ancient gtx260 and q9550, which if you remove my FT02 case was built for under 1000. Unlike PCs, mac's obsolescence is more through their product releases than anything else. I still see it as a 2yr upgrade cycle, whereas my asus W3J is 6yrs today. I haven't owned the air and rMBP long enough yet but I doubt I will make it to 4yrs without having the urge.[COLOR="#808080"]
A desktop computer should outperform 1-2 generations laptops. Now if you build a powerhouse, like you did 4 years ago it is logical to still perform well. This is mainly due to the air flow and power, everything runs cooler and able to perform better. Moreover add the fact that your rMBP renders a 2880x1800 resolution and even at lower resolutions, games requirement changed, there is the mac vs pc client code difference that can justify some performance issues sometimes and the fact that everything runs on higher temps, without the ability to overclock or do anything else to increase stock performance.

The 2yr upgrade cycle is only there mainly due to the perception and indirect psychological pressure from ourselves and Apple to get the latest and greatest! There isn't much of a need to upgrade at every generation in terms of performance gain, as much psychological gain. I had a discussion with some Computing university lecturers regarding computing perfomance and upgrades, they all agreed we came to a point where we got used to "fast" performance and now we try to get even 1-2 extra seconds in everyday apps that ends up being ridiculous. We adapt to changes in technology nowadays at rapid rates, think of it as a dual core mobile, 1 year ago it was FAAAAST, now it feels so "slow" especially compare to a quad core mobile.
__________________
iPhone 4 32GB
Macbook Pro 17" 2011|i7 2.2GHz|8GB DDR3|ATI HD6750M 1GB|256 SSD|HR-AG 1080P|OS X 10.7 Lion
Athonline is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Aug 24, 2012, 01:04 PM   #185
Athonline
macrumors member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by munkery View Post
My MacBook is almost 6 years old and still works like new. I thought about buying something new but opted to upgrade the MacBook with a cheap SSD instead. Can't justify buying a new portable until this thing is dead given how I use my portable.
SSD is nowadays the best upgrade you can do to any computer! Before SSDs, the biggest bottleneck to a computer was the Hard Disk, thus those expensive, short-usage 10K RPM Disks for Gamers and servers.

Quote:
Originally Posted by munkery;15507920
True, business class hardware from other manufacturers that is built to business class spec and [B
doesn't[/B] come bloated with all that crap trial and ad-supported software to subsidize the cost of the OS does cost the same for an equivalently specced machine.

Not many are aware of this so it leads to the perception that Macs are more expensive.
Yep, personally I am a Computing university student, part time photographer and I love games. A power house laptop was the only way for me. After comparing various brands, I came to the conclusion at the time of purchasing (June 2011), Alienware was actually more expensive than Apple and didn't have a SSD option.
HP and Sony were about the same cost with Apple, but I had to deal with Windows, their awful -from experience- service and after my military service as IT manager, I couldn't stand another Windows machine...

To be honest the only non-Apple computer I would had bought was either a Qosmio or a Portege from Toshiba, but to get them up to specs with my MBP I had to pay extra...

I think the main reason behind this is due to non-technology related people acting like they know what they are saying, talking about prices and hardware without understanding performance/value ratios or who needs-what. Macbook Pro line is as the name suggests a Pro line of high-end laptops. If someone needs laser performance he could go for a MBA line laptop -note that similar ultrabooks from other competitors cost the same pretty much with a 11inch MBA. Plus people are generally closed minded, stubborn idiots.
__________________
iPhone 4 32GB
Macbook Pro 17" 2011|i7 2.2GHz|8GB DDR3|ATI HD6750M 1GB|256 SSD|HR-AG 1080P|OS X 10.7 Lion
Athonline is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Aug 24, 2012, 11:57 PM   #186
cgk.emu
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by munkery View Post
Then why do the Mac system requirements allow for lower spec'd machines than the Windows system requirements?
Your post makes no sense. I wasn't talking about system vs. system specs.
cgk.emu is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Aug 25, 2012, 12:03 AM   #187
munkery
macrumors 68020
 
munkery's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by cgk.emu View Post
Your post makes no sense. I wasn't talking about system vs. system specs.
The Mac system requirements allow for as low as 128MB GPUs

The Windows system requirements list 256MB GPUs and above.

I know this isn't the only factor that determines gaming performance.
__________________
Mac Security Suggestions
munkery is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Aug 25, 2012, 12:39 AM   #188
cgk.emu
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by munkery View Post
The Mac system requirements allow for as low as 128MB GPUs

The Windows system requirements list 256MB GPUs and above.

I know this isn't the only factor that determines gaming performance.
No, no, I realize that. I wasn't talking about Mac vs. PC sys. reqs. Nevermind.
cgk.emu is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Aug 25, 2012, 02:17 AM   #189
munkery
macrumors 68020
 
munkery's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by cgk.emu View Post
Since when are those liberal requirements??
Quote:
Originally Posted by faroZ06 View Post
Since 2006. My MacBook can't run this game (not that I want to), but my old iMac could, assuming the faulty NVIDIA GPU doesn't die on me.
Quote:
Originally Posted by cgk.emu View Post
Conservative = low

Liberal = high

You have it backward.
Quote:
Originally Posted by faroZ06 View Post
Is this a technical term? I was thinking of "liberal" as "open to many different specifications" vs "exclusive" as "open only to high-end computers and/or certain GPUs".
Quote:
Originally Posted by cgk.emu View Post
The problem is that there wasn't any technical specifications listed in the original article. Otherwise, it is open to interpretation by individual users, which, in the case of MR, is most often amazingly misinformed and wrong.
The main article refers to the liberal system requirements for Mac.

What were you referring to with that post about liberal requirements?
__________________
Mac Security Suggestions
munkery is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Aug 27, 2012, 06:56 AM   #190
Revelation78
macrumors 65816
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Christiansburg, VA
Send a message via AIM to Revelation78
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yebubbleman View Post
Says the person failing to read the sentence correctly.
My reading comprehension was just fine... You on the other hand...
__________________
iPhone 4 32GB
iPad
15" Al Macbook Pro, 2.4GHz, 500 GB Seagate 7200 RPM, 4GB Crucial Ram
Revelation78 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Aug 27, 2012, 09:36 AM   #191
HarryKNN21
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Hong Kong
Quote:
Originally Posted by battlefieldfan1 View Post
Look, I'm just saying dropping $2000 on a facebook machine to play CS when you can get a better-looking PC at 10x the performance at $1000 is a gigantic waste of time and money.
So how about the Alienware? Three times the money of a high-end rMBP but what about the performance vs. money? I really want you to voice an opinion on this

Do Facebook allow me to edit photos and run iMovie? I have never heard of that.
__________________
cMBP: 2.6 i7, 16GB

Phone: iPhone 5S 16GB
HarryKNN21 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Aug 27, 2012, 09:47 AM   #192
HarryKNN21
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Hong Kong
Quote:
Originally Posted by pure3d2 View Post
Can you give a concrete example of this? 10x the performance for the same price, really?
LOL, for $1,000 I could hardly believe I could invest in an i7 machine with top grade GTX display card, a couple of SSD for RAID, a large tower chassis with ten fans for cooling as well as 64GB RAM and a good sound card. If I can't build this machine within $1,000 I would never say I get a PC with 10x performance of a Mac.

Even though buying PC components is well known for cheap in Hong Kong, for $1,000 I can only build a i5 machine with, just a HD 7870 and one SSD, properly without a sound card.

If PC has 10x the performance of a Mac, then someone pls tell me why PC users are expanding their machines annually just to compensate the performance loss done by Windows? A 10x faster machine should not need expansion within 5 years right?

I am using my new MacBook Pro and I don't find that is a "Facebook Machine". Some people should get a Alienware, not a PC in $1,000.
__________________
cMBP: 2.6 i7, 16GB

Phone: iPhone 5S 16GB
HarryKNN21 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Aug 27, 2012, 10:07 AM   #193
Yebubbleman
macrumors 68000
 
Yebubbleman's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Quote:
Originally Posted by Revelation78 View Post
My reading comprehension was just fine... You on the other hand...
Let's break this sentence down then, shall we?

"Along with Portal 2, this is the second time that Valve has launched a flagship game simultaneously on the Mac and the PC, and the first Counter-Strike release since Steam launched on the Mac in 2010."

"Along with Portal 2," one thought, separated from the others with a comma

"this is the second time the Valve has launched a flagship game simultaneously on the Mac and the PC," another thought separated from the others with a comma, though set up from the previous thought; still accurate.

"and the first Counter-Strike release since Steam launched on the Mac in 2010", yet another thought separated from the others with a comma, not connected to what came before the comma as part of the previous thought. Also completely inaccurate when factoring the release of Counter-Strike: Source for Mac.

Please tell me how I'm at all wrong here.
__________________
MacBook Pro (15" Mid 2012); PC Tower (3.4GHz Phenom II x4; Radeon HD 6850); 5th Gen iPod touch Blue 64GB; 3rd Gen tv; 1st Gen iPad mini Verizon 64GB; Galaxy Nexus
"Don't Cry, Eat Pie"
Yebubbleman is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Aug 27, 2012, 01:01 PM   #194
Eidorian
macrumors Penryn
 
Eidorian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Cuidad de México
Send a message via AIM to Eidorian
Quote:
Originally Posted by HarryKNN21 View Post
If PC has 10x the performance of a Mac, then someone pls tell me why PC users are expanding their machines annually just to compensate the performance loss done by Windows?
Really now? RAM is cheap again with surplus supplies and SSD prices have dropped like a rock. I would consider $200 on upgrading those two bits of hardware to be insignificant and mundane.
__________________
Core i5 750 / 16 GB RAM / 500 GB SSD / HD 7950 / Windows 8.1
77 Month Old MacBook
Eidorian is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 28, 2012, 03:55 AM   #195
ThrowAwayID
macrumors newbie
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by NMF View Post
I'll boggle your mind with my awp no-scope headshot.
What do you use? Ink or a li'l sticker at the centre of your computer screen?
ThrowAwayID is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 28, 2012, 04:07 AM   #196
ThrowAwayID
macrumors newbie
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by CarlHeanerd View Post
It will run with gusto. The Intel graphics are over 2-3x as fast as the system requirements mentioned in the article. Additionally, since Source performance is mostly dependent on CPU over GPU, the i7 will absolutely shred this game.
What about my 13" June 2012 MBA base config?

1.8GHz dual-core Intel Core i5 processor
Turbo Boost up to 2.8GHz
4GB memory
128GB flash storage1
Intel HD Graphics 4000


Had some noise (too much sound, perhaps fan running too fast) problem while running CS:Source. Similar sound (less loud though) I had heard with too many Firefox tabs opened and when many downloads are running on Transmission.

Is it normal, because MBA is completely close except in the back and the fan actually needs to run that fast? Someone said I could try turning vsynch ON and also turn Power Saving Mode ON. But could find neither setting either in Mac OS or in Steam/game.

Last edited by ThrowAwayID; Dec 28, 2012 at 04:13 AM. Reason: details
ThrowAwayID is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 28, 2012, 04:18 AM   #197
ThrowAwayID
macrumors newbie
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by smirk View Post
I haven't played games in a long time, is $14.99 an unusually low price for a top-tier game these days?
Yes it is.
But nobody wants to move from CS 1.6 so if they keep it at ~$100 then I think all those Mac users would buy rather 200-300 dollar PCs ;-) and keep playing CS 1.6.
The only reason I bought was in the hope that CS:GO shall not suck as much as CS:Source.
ThrowAwayID is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 28, 2012, 01:07 PM   #198
Eidorian
macrumors Penryn
 
Eidorian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Cuidad de México
Send a message via AIM to Eidorian
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThrowAwayID View Post
Yes it is.
But nobody wants to move from CS 1.6 so if they keep it at ~$100 then I think all those Mac users would buy rather 200-300 dollar PCs ;-) and keep playing CS 1.6.
The only reason I bought was in the hope that CS:GO shall not suck as much as CS:Source.
CS 1.6 is IGP territory easily. Boot Camp is all you need. I believe it can be done via Wine too so that makes it viable in a VM.
__________________
Core i5 750 / 16 GB RAM / 500 GB SSD / HD 7950 / Windows 8.1
77 Month Old MacBook
Eidorian is offline   0 Reply With Quote

Reply
MacRumors Forums > News and Article Discussion > MacRumors.com News Discussion

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:19 AM.

Mac Rumors | Mac | iPhone | iPhone Game Reviews | iPhone Apps

Mobile Version | Fixed | Fluid | Fluid HD
Copyright 2002-2013, MacRumors.com, LLC