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Old Jan 16, 2013, 09:31 PM   #51
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Did they fix the issue of Notes deselecting itself within iCloud settings at random?
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Old Jan 16, 2013, 09:52 PM   #52
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no ML for me (again) till the shutdown time is brought under control to something reasonable. This kills solid state and retina MBPs. I went back to Lion - solid, stable.
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Old Jan 16, 2013, 10:06 PM   #53
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My 10.8.2 issues:

1) SLOW SHUTDOWNS

2) Poor battery life (2-3 hours, max, on MacBook Pro w/ 92% of original battery capacity)

3) iCal randomly gives errors with Google calendars.

I've seen no changelog (anywhere) that mentions those being addressed.
1) I was experiencing the slow shutdown on my MBP. Searched everywhere for a solution. After booting in verbose mode, I saw a process was hanging. Followed instructions here (3 terminal commands) and now have two second shutdowns.
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1448304&page=5
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Old Jan 16, 2013, 10:38 PM   #54
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You guys should send feedback to apple... if apple didn't fix it..that's because it's your fault of not report... sounds like unreported rape.
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Old Jan 16, 2013, 10:49 PM   #55
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I really don't get why they started calling it OS X and not, like, Mac OS. Because Mac OS will apply even when they introduce System 11, but OS X won't.

They started calling Mac OS X because it is the Tenth version of Mac OS. Before it was Mac OS X, it was Mac OS 9.
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Old Jan 16, 2013, 11:52 PM   #56
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I'm a super happy ML user.

The only thing that still bugs me is the occational blue-colour-tint when switching graphics cards (on my almost brand new non-retina but hires 15" MacBook Pro). Hopefully, this will be fixed with a new set of updated graphics-drivers.
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Old Jan 16, 2013, 11:57 PM   #57
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I'm a super happy ML user.

The only thing that still bugs me is the occational blue-colour-tint when switching graphics cards (on my almost brand new non-retina but hires 15" MacBook Pro). Hopefully, this will be fixed with a new set of updated graphics-drivers.
I have that same MBP and I don't see that in 10.8.3
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Old Jan 17, 2013, 12:35 AM   #58
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I'm a super happy ML user.

The only thing that still bugs me is the occational blue-colour-tint when switching graphics cards (on my almost brand new non-retina but hires 15" MacBook Pro). Hopefully, this will be fixed with a new set of updated graphics-drivers.
I thought they fixed that with 10.8.2...? It was an issue with 10.8 and 10.8.1 that sometimes it gotten me distorted graphics until I had to reboot my MBP... It returned, and I stick back in SL...
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Old Jan 17, 2013, 02:06 AM   #59
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No it is not?
For me it is, before it was very random. sometimes it would take 20 seconds other times it would take 2 seconds. Now the shutdown time is always 2 seconds. Safari seems to be a bit more laggy in this build
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Old Jan 17, 2013, 03:17 AM   #60
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I'm happy with ML and going back to SL is just laughable at this point. To me anyway...
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Old Jan 17, 2013, 03:21 AM   #61
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1) I was experiencing the slow shutdown on my MBP. Searched everywhere for a solution. After booting in verbose mode, I saw a process was hanging. Followed instructions here (3 terminal commands) and now have two second shutdowns.
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthre...1448304&page=5
Fixed the appleevents plist then internetsharing started to hang, fixed that one and now it's securityd.

Seems the issue is in the code and can't be fixed by just adding some options to the plist file.

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I'm happy with ML and going back to SL is just laughable at this point. To me anyway...
I'm very happy with ML too.
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Old Jan 17, 2013, 03:41 AM   #62
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Hopefully, 10.8.3 will fix the crashes when switching graphic cards
This bug exists since (Mac) OS X 10.6.0. Why do you think they fix this kernel bug in 10.8.3?

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It kinda feels like this is the last update (or second to last) before 10.9.
10.8.3 supports the new Thunderbolt Displays and/or the new Mac Pro. Hints are the new Fresco Logic PCIe to USB 3.0 bridge drivers and new AMD drivers.

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I can't help but think the live release of 10.8.3, and maybe iOS 6.1, coming around the earnings call next week.
OS X updates come always after the printer driver updates (usually 2-4 weeks later). See:
http://support.apple.com/downloads/
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Old Jan 17, 2013, 03:54 AM   #63
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With every new build, the hope for big improvements becomes stronger!
Such as?
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Old Jan 17, 2013, 04:30 AM   #64
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You guys should send feedback to apple... if apple didn't fix it..that's because it's your fault of not report... sounds like unreported rape.
That's the strongest analogy I've ever heard.
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Old Jan 17, 2013, 05:37 AM   #65
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No shutdown issue here with both imac 2009 and imac late 2012

Happy ML user here
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Old Jan 17, 2013, 05:49 AM   #66
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I've had my iMac and MBP for the best part of 5 years now and I have only turned the iMac off a couple of times when I have changed rooms, and the MBP when it has had a change of battery.

Do most people actually turn off their Macs rather than just use sleep? Why? Sleep uses very little power and makes the machines so easy to use.

Re the name and what come after OS X … I've always assumed that any step change would be OS XI (a continuation of Apple's use of Roman numerals) rather than 11.
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Old Jan 17, 2013, 06:24 AM   #67
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I believe that may just be the rather underpowered onboard GPU powering that massive resolution w/ desktop animations than Mountain Lion..

Aren't the rMBP pretty twitchy, anyway?
It dos not feel like something from the onboard GPU, but do not know for sure.
Think the EFI update have a little role in it to.
I would love to see 10.8.3 and rMBP EFI roll out at that same time soon.
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Old Jan 17, 2013, 06:29 AM   #68
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Still don't like it? Don't use it then. But this completely unconstructive whining has to end.
well i might want to buy a new mac sooner or later, but since i cannot install SL on new machines i won't. call me crazy but i'm tempted to look over to win or ubuntu for my next pc.
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Old Jan 17, 2013, 07:19 AM   #69
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I find iMessage, Notes, AirPlay, Notifications to be powerful additions to OS X. I for one am not complaining that these features happen to be brought over from iOS. It's so convenient to just type down a shopping list on the laptop and its real keyboard, and then just go shopping with the phone, with the list already there. And Notifications made me instantly ditch anything related to Gmail, Facebook, and Twitter notification apps/browser extensions, as well as Growl.
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Old Jan 17, 2013, 07:51 AM   #70
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My 10.8.2 issues:

1) SLOW SHUTDOWNS

2) Poor battery life (2-3 hours, max, on MacBook Pro w/ 92% of original battery capacity)

3) iCal randomly gives errors with Google calendars.

I've seen no changelog (anywhere) that mentions those being addressed.
If you (or others) haven't reported them to Apple, chances that they will be fixed are small. Discussing problems on a public forum has no use, you better use the official Apple feedback page at http://apple.com/feedback/
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Old Jan 17, 2013, 08:29 AM   #71
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I find iMessage, Notes, AirPlay, Notifications to be powerful additions to OS X. I for one am not complaining that these features happen to be brought over from iOS. It's so convenient to just type down a shopping list on the laptop and its real keyboard, and then just go shopping with the phone, with the list already there. And Notifications made me instantly ditch anything related to Gmail, Facebook, and Twitter notification apps/browser extensions, as well as Growl.
I'm just about 100% in agreement with you. My single favourite feature has to be the ability to send/receive iMessages to/from my phone number on my mac.
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Old Jan 17, 2013, 08:37 AM   #72
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They started calling Mac OS X because it is the tenth version of Mac OS. Before it was Mac OS X, it was Mac OS 9.
When they actually called it Mac OS X, that made sense. But now they're just calling it "OS X".
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Old Jan 17, 2013, 08:38 AM   #73
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You've probably not seen expose in ML, and you probably don't remember the hate-flame-war over expose in Mac forums when SL came out; I'm guessing.

Here is expose in ML:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...0504at948.png/

Here is expose in SL:
http://www.macintouch.com/specialrep...expose-all.jpg

Here is expose in L:
http://pcmcourseware.com/blog/wp-con.../12/expose.png

Look back at forum posts from Fall of 2009. People hated expose in SL, about as much as they hate ML today. Some things never change.

I don't "love" ML, and really hate the fact that Apple refuses to allow backwards compatibility on newer Macs. I'm just trying to prevent misinformation. (1) Expose in ML is better than Lion; and for those who have been around OSX for a while, recognize that it's back to proper Leopard behavior from when it was best., and (2) not all the extras are bloat, just some of them :-)



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Then don't read it... First of all, though "all the social cr@p" is completely optional, its processes are not, and thus cannot be turned off whether you use it or not. It's a bloatware to say the least. Secondly, Leopard has the "proper" exposè, SL is the refinement of it. It looks a lot cleaner than some random windows thrown at your screen. I just don't understand why would Apple want to reverse it with Lion and Mountain Lion. I guess that's the very sign that Apple is going BACKWARDS hence the lack of innovation after SJ got beaten back to his grave.

Still don't like it? Don't read it then, don't even bother to quote. Because this I-hate-SL-buggers-ML-being-latest-and-greatest-wannabe whining has to end.
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Old Jan 17, 2013, 08:46 AM   #74
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You've probably not seen expose in ML, and you probably don't remember the hate-flame-war over expose in Mac forums when SL came out; I'm guessing.

Here is expose in ML:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...0504at948.png/

Here is expose in SL:
http://www.macintouch.com/specialrep...expose-all.jpg

Here is expose in L:
http://pcmcourseware.com/blog/wp-con.../12/expose.png

Look back at forum posts from Fall of 2009. People hated expose in SL, about as much as they hate ML today. Some things never change.

I don't "love" ML, and really hate the fact that Apple refuses to allow backwards compatibility on newer Macs. I'm just trying to prevent misinformation. (1) Expose in ML is better than Lion; and for those who have been around OSX for a while, recognize that it's back to proper Leopard behavior from when it was best., and (2) not all the extras are bloat, just some of them :-)
I didn't mind Snow Leopard Exposé and I don't mind Mountain Lion's either. But I do want the labels that Snow Leopard had. I like having a little text indicator of what window is what.


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When they actually called it Mac OS X, that made sense. But now they're just calling it "OS X".
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Old Jan 17, 2013, 09:33 AM   #75
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You've probably not seen expose in ML, and you probably don't remember the hate-flame-war over expose in Mac forums when SL came out; I'm guessing.

Here is expose in ML:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...0504at948.png/

Here is expose in SL:
http://www.macintouch.com/specialrep...expose-all.jpg

Here is expose in L:
http://pcmcourseware.com/blog/wp-con.../12/expose.png

Look back at forum posts from Fall of 2009. People hated expose in SL, about as much as they hate ML today. Some things never change.

I don't "love" ML, and really hate the fact that Apple refuses to allow backwards compatibility on newer Macs. I'm just trying to prevent misinformation. (1) Expose in ML is better than Lion; and for those who have been around OSX for a while, recognize that it's back to proper Leopard behavior from when it was best., and (2) not all the extras are bloat, just some of them :-)
You guessed it wrong. I came from the Tiger era where Expose had already been introduced on Panther. Leopard came and went, but because Apple introduced a bunch of new features that bloated it, I skipped and went straight to Snow Leopard. Boy how happy was I when Expose (complete with captions) was refined grid-style. Most importantly, Snow Leopard got rid of support for PowerPC-based Macs, I guess that was what made it lightweight and stable...? Apple did emphasised that Snow Leopard was to be an under-the-hood refinement of Leopard. And yes, I was aware of how people would hate SL Expose that they would hack it to revert to the old-style Leopard Expose...

Lion came, Expose and Spaces (another PITA feature devolution) were unified. I guess I don't need to explain further on Expose as it was a total mess just like Leopard, and groped (yes you read it right - groped!)...! Mountain Lion came to reverse some of those mistakes, but unfortunately it still retains the mess of Leopard.

Expose aside, Mountain Lion is as much as bloated as Leopard, though it supposed to carry some refinements over Lion, but it does not come close in performance and stability of Snow Leopard. People have been saying, and thus proving for instance, graphical performance is superior in ML than SL. No doubt it's true. But at what cost...? Instabilities...? Graphical choppiness...? Why the iOS fanciness with unnecessary resource-hogging windows animations...? I BOINC my science project every now and then, SL does one WU by 1h 50m, ML does in 1h 49m...? I wouldn't trade 1 minute of performance over such aforementioned problems.

SL starts up with less than 400 process threads, while ML starts with over 600... They stay there whether or not you utilise the iOSified features. Bloated isn't it...? Expose is just one of the many screw ups on L/ML.

Now we're seeing an annual cycle update of OS X, which means more features will be introduced, more resources will be needed, consumer will have to upgrade more often, maybe 2 to 3 years once as opposed to 4 to 5 years during the PowerPC era...?
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