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Old Jan 31, 2013, 06:21 AM   #1
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Engadget: Blackberry Z10 vs. iPhone 5 vs. Nexus 4 vs. Nokia Lumia 920. FIGHT!

http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/30/b...s-4-lumia-920/

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BlackBerry has finally, officially unveiled its maiden BB10 flagship, all-touch device, the Z10, and you can read all about RIM BlackBerry's new handset in our review. But, if you're looking to see how it and BB10 stack up against the competition running Android, iOS and Windows Phone, you've come to the right place. Check out our chart below for all the specs you can handle
can't make the chart look "readable" in the forum so you have to click on the link if you want to see the FIGHT specs between the "flagships" of each operating system.
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Old Jan 31, 2013, 06:33 AM   #2
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Seems like the nexus 4 is the winner. Or the iphone if you are willing to pay a premium for design and LTE
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Old Jan 31, 2013, 06:48 AM   #3
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Specs mean nothing! If each of the devices ran the same o/s then it has weight.
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Old Jan 31, 2013, 08:24 AM   #4
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Old Jan 31, 2013, 09:40 AM   #5
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All very capable phones, although for me the iPhone and the iOS wins. Blackberry was my first smartphone way back when, then I moved on to Android all the while I had serious iPhone envy, because it looked great and ran like butter, still does. Finally the iPhone came to Verizon and the rest is history.

I dont see myself switching at all, unless something just totally blows it away, which I believe will be impossible because all the others are imitators.
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Old Jan 31, 2013, 12:21 PM   #6
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First of all specs truly dont mean anything because the i5's performance is truly still top notch compared to the S4 Pro quad core processor at 1.6ghz per core. It all comes down to software optimization and i think iOS is better with that.

Theres no reason why you should get checkerboard effect in the browser on a S4 pro cpu espcially with Jelly Bean. That right there is dumb
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Old Jan 31, 2013, 05:53 PM   #7
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Z10 beats the rest in pixel density.
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So surprising how the iPhone 5 has the lowest PPI of the 4!
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Old Jan 31, 2013, 10:06 PM   #9
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Anyone surprised that LG is now selling more Nexus 4 than its flagship LG Optimus G? (the phone that the Nexus 4 is based on)?
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Old Jan 31, 2013, 10:18 PM   #10
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Anyone surprised that LG is now selling more Nexus 4 than its flagship LG Optimus G? (the phone that the Nexus 4 is based on)?
Where is the evidence?
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Old Jan 31, 2013, 10:28 PM   #11
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Where is the evidence?
http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/20/lg-optimus-g-sales/
LG Optimus G sales hit 1 million worldwide (January 20th 2013)


as for the Nexus 4, it is over 970,000 produced now (at a rate of 20,000+ per day).
And Google is ordering a lot more since some countries are already sold out

http://www.zdnet.com/nexus-4-back-on...it-7000010620/
Nexus 4 back on sale - but sold out in Spain, France, while UK, Australia wait

970,000 isn't greater than 1,000,000 BUT one is in great demand (Nexus 4) and one isn't (LG Optimus G). It's just a matter of days before LG produced and shipped more Nexus 4 than the LG Optimus G.




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according to XDA-Developers users (thread title: [INFO] LG Nexus 4 Production Date and Place Identification), production rate is as followed:

October: 70,000 devices produced
November: 90,000
Dec: 210,000
January: 500,000+



from decoding the serial number

Phone produced in Oct had serial#
10000 19th of Oct, AUS8BK
20000 USA
45000
60000 AUS
70123 ATMOBK (t-mobile)

Something like 70k devices produced in October

Nov
73000 1-th AO2UBK (O2 UK model)
75000 5-th AO2UBK
80000 5-th AO2UBK
85000 21-th (?) AUKGBK - strange,
90000 9-th AUS8BK
92000 10-th AUS8BK
95000 - USA
109000 - GER
110000 - UK
132000 - USA
138000 - USA
150000 - USA
160000 - AUSGBK

DEC
165000
264000
265133 14-th ADEUBK GERMANY
266133 15-th AHKGBK Hong Kong
267133 15-th AHKGBK Hong Kong
268133 15-th ADEUBK GERMANY
269133 15-th ADEUBK GERMANY
270133 15-th ASWSBK SWS Switzerland (looks like around 500 units)
271133 16-th AISRBK Israel
272133 15-th ADEUBK Germany
273133 15-th AHKGBK Hong Kong
274133 15-th AHKGBK Hong Kong
275133 15-th AHKGBK Hong Kong
277133 17-th AHKGBK Hong Kong
278133 17-th AHKGBK Hong Kong
279133 16-th AMYSBK
280123 17-th AMYSBK
289000 18-th UK
300123 19-th ADEGBK
305112 19-th ACA8BK
306000 28-Oct (?) AUSGBK, 211KPPB306000 "csn" is also very different from the "surroundings"
306001 8-Oct AUSGBK 211KPHG306001 esnoutgodate=null >>Never shipped?
306009 4-th Dec AUSGBK 212KPHG306009 esnoutgodate=null
306010 19-th AUS8BK 212KPYR306010 esnoutgodate=null
306020 19-th AUS8BK esnoutgodate=null
314001 19-th AFRGBK
314002 19-th ADEGBK
314050 19-th ADEGBK
314123 19-th ADEGBK
315112 19-th ADE8BK
319123 20-th ADEGBK
320123 20-th ADEGBK
321123 20-th AAUGBK
325112 20-th AUSGBK
330123 20-th AUSGBK
340123 21-th ACAGBK
350123 22-th AUS8BK
360123 26-th AUSGBK
365123 27-th AUS8BK
370123 27-th AUSGBK
374110 28-th AUSGBK

January 2013
375110 2-th AUS8BK
377110 3-th ASFRBK
381110 2-th ASFRBK
385110 3-th AGBRBK GBR "UNITED KINGDOM" - a new retailer? Play store was a AUKGBK
390110 3-th AUSGBK
395110 4-th AUSGBK
399110 3-th ATMOBK
400110 4-th AUSGBK
406110 4-th AUSGBK
445110 9-th ATMOBK
450110 9-th ATMOBK
451110 8-th ANEUBK "EUROPE OPEN" - something new
455110 8-th ANEUBK
456110 8-th ACAGBK CANADA_OPEN
461110 8-th ATMOBK
463110 8-th ADEGBK
465110 8-th ADEGBK
467110 9-th ADEGBK
469110 9-th ADEGBK
471110 9-th ATMOBK
474110 9-th ATMOBK
476110 9-th ATMOBK
479110 9-th AUS8BK
482110 9-th ATMOBK
485110 10-th AUKGBK "UNITED KINGDOM_OPEN"
487110 10-th AUKGBK
489110 10-th AUKGBK
491110 10-th AAVCBK VIDEOTRON - seems to be a Canadian telco?
493110 10-th ADEUBK
495110 10-th ADEUBK
497110 10-th AISRBK
499500 10-th AUKGBK
502035 11-th AUSGBK
507035 11-th AUSGBK
512035 11-th AUS8BK
513035 11-th AUS8BK

650986 - 18th of January
752,xxx - 22nd of January

834,xxx - 27nd of January
933,xxx - 30th of January


From techcrunch:

How did they do it? They’ve taken the IMEI numbers of their phones and backtracked the production number of their devices using an LG mobile link that’s usually used for finding new firmware. An IMEI number, or International Mobile Station Equipment Identity number, is usually printed on the battery compartment of the inside of the phone. It can be used to prevent stolen phones from accessing a network.

If you take this link and put your IMEI number at the very end, this LG site will spit back out the IMEI followed by a long string of characters that looks something like this: “LGE960 ACAGBK 212KPHG188745 20121206 GLOBAL/GLOBAL N N”

If you break this string apart, you get:
LGE960 = phone model
A = ?
CA = Country where the device was sold. (Others include ‘US’ for the U.S., ‘HK’ for Hong Kong, ‘AU’ for Australia and so on.)
G = Storage (G = 16GB, 8 = 8GB)
BK = Color
2 = ?
12 = Production Month (November)
K = Production Country (Korea)
PHG = ?
188745 = The line or production number, showing that phone was the 188,745th device made.

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Old Feb 3, 2013, 03:30 AM   #12
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just a thought, but could Microsoft use Google Nexus 4 strategy?

Partner with OEM like Nokia or LG or HTC or Samsung.
Make Microsoft version of Nexus 4. Sell it at very low margin at their online store and at Microsoft stores.

Like Google, Microsoft won't make a lot of money from this but likely gain market share.
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just a thought, but could Microsoft use Google Nexus 4 strategy?

Partner with OEM like Nokia or LG or HTC or Samsung.
Make Microsoft version of Nexus 4. Sell it at very low margin at their online store and at Microsoft stores.

Like Google, Microsoft won't make a lot of money from this but likely gain market share.
Considering Microsoft is trying to sell their Surface tablet for $500 in direct competition as the $500 iPad 4. The answer is no.

Google and to a certain extent Samsung recognize they cannot sell products the same price as Apple if they expect to sell their products.
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Considering Microsoft is trying to sell their Surface tablet for $500 in direct competition as the $500 iPad 4. The answer is no.

Google and to a certain extent Samsung recognize they cannot sell products the same price as Apple if they expect to sell their products.
Wait until Amazon gets into the smartphone game....

MS needs to do something if it want to gain market share.
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Wait until Amazon gets into the smartphone game....

MS needs to do something if it want to gain market share.
There are a couple of ways to think about this:
1. Sell surface tablet at same price as iPad
2. Discount the Surface tablet by $100 and sell at $399.

Microsoft is screwed both ways.

If it follows (1) it can't sell many units
If it follows (2), it's profit margins are eroded and the Surface Tablet is forever branded a "value" tablet hurting future margins
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There are a couple of ways to think about this:
1. Sell surface tablet at same price as iPad
2. Discount the Surface tablet by $100 and sell at $399.

Microsoft is screwed both ways.

If it follows (1) it can't sell many units
If it follows (2), it's profit margins are eroded and the Surface Tablet is forever branded a "value" tablet hurting future margins
MS doesn't need to sell a ton of units or make a ton of profit though. All it needs is to get people to consider Win 8 as a platform. Whether they buy the Surface or an OEM, MS still wins. The real value of the Surface is as a Win 8 branding tool
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So surprising how the iPhone 5 has the lowest PPI of the 4!
You mean the Nexus 4 has the lowest PPI of the 4.
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MS doesn't need to sell a ton of units or make a ton of profit though. All it needs is to get people to consider Win 8 as a platform. Whether they buy the Surface or an OEM, MS still wins. The real value of the Surface is as a Win 8 branding tool
Maybe that's their business strategy. But it's a very bad one at that.

The public doesn't understand what the Surface is. They see these commercials. But still do not understand it. So they are trying to push a $500 tablet or at least introduce a $500 tablet to introduce Windows 8? But they have done a horrible job explaining Surface to the public.

It's like they try to trick people to believing the Surface (RT) $500 Tablet runs real windows programs which it doesn't. And there aren't many many apps to compensate for not being able to run windows 8.

I have yet to see anyone with a Surface tablet.

Everyone is waiting to see how the real Surface Pro tablet does. But pricing of the Surface Pro with the keyboard (64GB with 23GB free space) is over $1000 already. You are already in 11.6 inch MacBook air category. And it's not like the Surface pro is super light as a tablet. It's 2 pounds already. Most ultrabooks are 2.5-3 pounds these days. Battery life is like 4.5 hours? So they got pricing issues and battery issues with the Surface Pro. Not a good combination.

As with any "new" Microsoft Product, I usually wait for the 3rd revision before thinking of buying one..
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Maybe that's their business strategy. But it's a very bad one at that.
Their business strategy is fine. If I had to question a company's business strategy, I'd question what Google is doing with Android. Including their Motorola purchase, they have yet to make any $$$ off Android despite it having dominant market share. The way MS monetizes, they could have a fraction of the pie Google has and you'll still never see them in the red like that

MS marketing is fail, that's a given

Far as the Surface, the RT is a dumb product but the Pro is a disruptive game changer. This is why Apple is reacting by throwing storage at consumers before its release. Watch what happens this year
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