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Old Feb 13, 2013, 12:58 PM   #26
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I bet if it breaks then Microsoft will find some way to repair it. They probably _know_ how to repair it.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 12:59 PM   #27
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I've heard that repairing iPad is very hard...

Good Job Microsoft!
They can finally boast about outdoing apple at something lol
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 01:00 PM   #28
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How sad....

The Microsoft Product Manager for the Surface Pro must be crying to see his one sale torn apart!
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 01:00 PM   #29
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Wow, they could sublet some of that unused PCB real estate.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 01:00 PM   #30
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Damn, and here I was about to buy one. /sarcasm

Still, as fun as it is to rag on Microsoft, nothing (and I mean NOTHING) is worse than the 1/10 repairability score of the Macbook Retina. Irreparable tablets? Fine. Irreparable laptops? No bueno.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 01:01 PM   #31
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Looks awful even inside.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 01:05 PM   #32
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One of the key points to remember about this story is the difference between "repairability" and "upgradeability."

Both the iPad and Surface tablets are difficult to repair on your own. However, you could argue the Surface should score higher because of it's IO ports: SD card slot, USB 3 port, and display port.

I don't care for the Surface, but there are times I wish I had an SD card slot in my iPad. (The SD 'photo' adapter doesn't count if I want to use actually storage like I would on a normal computer.)
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 01:06 PM   #33
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And please, let's stop with the "lol, look at how hard it is to open - MSFT FAIL" as it's not like the iPad is any easier.
According to iFixit, it is exactly 1 point easier.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 01:07 PM   #34
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...and the more than 90 screws that hold the Surface Pro together,...
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 01:11 PM   #35
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I've heard that repairing iPad is very hard...

Good Job Microsoft!
The Pro isn't equal to an iPad. The RT is.

It's more equivalent to a MBAir.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 01:25 PM   #36
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One of the key points to remember about this story is the difference between "repairability" and "upgradeability."

Both the iPad and Surface tablets are difficult to repair on your own. However, you could argue the Surface should score higher because of it's IO ports: SD card slot, USB 3 port, and display port.

I don't care for the Surface, but there are times I wish I had an SD card slot in my iPad. (The SD 'photo' adapter doesn't count if I want to use actually storage like I would on a normal computer.)
Not to mention that you can also slot a 256 GB mSATA in the Surface Pro.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 01:27 PM   #37
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Looks unsurprisingly cramped. Waiting for 256gb SSD and 7 hours battery. Interesting to see if they can pull this off (even with Haswell).

And I've gotten over the fact you can crawl inside small devices and upgrade them yourself. It pissess me off off to no end but can't do anything about it other than pay the extortion fees on purchase.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 01:34 PM   #38
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I wondr if they used the excess glue from the new Imacs
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 01:35 PM   #39
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Yet another amazing discovery from the iFixit folks..
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 01:38 PM   #40
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And you thought Apple products were hard to repair.....
These days all laptops, all in ones and tablets will be next to impossible to fix yourself. To make them smaller, glue has to be used.

It's really not an issue for 99% of people though.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 01:38 PM   #41
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Will be waiting to see if MS gets dinged the same way Apple has in the past. Will Kyle Wiens pen a letter to Panos Panay whining about him not following Dieter Rams 10 principles for good design like he did with Jony Ive?


I doubt it. Both companies are held to a different standard these days. That is, people have unrealistically high expectations for Apple and people treat Microsoft as the crazy uncle.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 01:40 PM   #42
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I bet if it breaks then Microsoft will find some way to repair it. They probably _know_ how to repair it.
Probably cheaper just to give someone a new one. they have warehouses full of them, and likely will for the next few years Afterall
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 01:41 PM   #43
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These days all laptops, all in ones and tablets will be next to impossible to fix yourself. To make them smaller, glue has to be used.
A metric duckload!
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 01:42 PM   #44
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 01:50 PM   #45
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"Microsoft spared no expense when it came to keeping the Surface Pro going. They sourced the Cadillac of batteries from LG: an Escalade 42 Wh unit. The battery is rated for 7.4 V and 5676 mAh. Impressive specs? Note that the iPad 4 has a 43 Wh battery, albeit at 3.7 V. Even with all this battery juice, the reported battery life of the Surface Pro is less than 5 hours. "

I don't care either way (I don't have / want an iPad nor a Surface Pro), but getting 5h with a way more power-hungry system and the same battery energy capacity is actually not bad...
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 01:50 PM   #46
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Microsoft Surface

I understand that the Surface is sort of an answer to iPad, but this is Macrumors, (which I think should be renamed Applerumors, considering the large quantity of NON MAC content on here), so why are we reporting stuff regarding Microsoft , is there really no other news from Apple or products intended for the Mac or i devices that we can report on instead??

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Old Feb 13, 2013, 01:50 PM   #47
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These days all laptops, all in ones and tablets will be next to impossible to fix yourself. To make them smaller, glue has to be used.

It's really not an issue for 99% of people though.


I agree.

Going forward, I think we'll have devices that don't even have a repairability score because so much of the components will be integrated. Imagine the day where the entire motherboard is the size of a CPU dye and the battery is the size of a small coin.

I think it's crazy knowing that the power in my iPhone 5 once occupied five floors of a building. Imagine how many of today's iPhones will fit in devices 15 years from now.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 01:54 PM   #48
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Typical apple screwing the end user making devices so hard to fix so I can't upgrade the ram in my iPad.

Oh....wait....MS Surface Pro? errrrr.....iOS blows!

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Old Feb 13, 2013, 01:58 PM   #49
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Don't take a ton of stock in this article when the writer does not even know that the "black goo" is Room Temperature Vulcanizing (RTV) Sealant. It is a very commonly used sealant in micro-electronics.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 02:00 PM   #50
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I hate that every manufacturer glue everything these days. Keep glue away from my components. Theres nothing a good double sided tape or a few screws can't do.
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