I almost pulled the trigger but since money was short and i needed to upgrade my dell box, I just had a PC made for under 1k.
I just can't afford these things.
I just can't afford these things.
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What am I saying?
I am saying: I believe Apple would prefer to sell all of their items via the web with as long a waiting time as the free market will allow.
Having massive amounts of old product standing by while the masses demand updates is a liability for them.
Driving up demand, and forcing buyers to the web, with as long a lead time as possible, saves Apple millions in un-purchased inventory made to stock shelves.
Don't discount the value of impulse buyers. Those fancy stores are there to serve that purpose, but Apple is failing to capture buyers due to inventory.
However, Apple does the math... They know that the lost in-store buyers are offset by the massive savings in not having vast overages of soon-to-be out of date hardware.
It is too consistent to be accidental. I believe they want to drive as many purchases as possible to the website. It is better for the bottom line.
It's a bummer for me cause I like to be able to walk in and buy the new stuff, as soon as its new. It's my money, and yes, I like to spend it like that.
That was the entire point.
I am saying: I believe Apple would prefer to sell all of their items via the web with as long a waiting time as the free market will allow.
Having massive amounts of old product standing by while the masses demand updates is a liability for them.
Driving up demand, and forcing buyers to the web, with as long a lead time as possible, saves Apple millions in un-purchased inventory made to stock shelves.
Don't discount the value of impulse buyers. Those fancy stores are there to serve that purpose, but Apple is failing to capture buyers due to inventory.
However, Apple does the math... They know that the lost in-store buyers are offset by the massive savings in not having vast overages of soon-to-be out of date hardware.
It is too consistent to be accidental. I believe they want to drive as many purchases as possible to the website. It is better for the bottom line.
It's a bummer for me cause I like to be able to walk in and buy the new stuff, as soon as its new. It's my money, and yes, I like to spend it like that.
That was the entire point.
He already did in 2005. The original iMac G5, the design that the newer ones were based on, did not have a bulge on the back, but it was then bulge-ified in 2005. But if you're talking about all iMacs, the G3 really did.
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Apple must not stop until the iMac is worth its weight in gold. (jk)
I can buy your argument. It was well stated and there is evidence to back you up on that point. I won't refute that Tim Cook is first and foremost an operational efficient and architects such so as to minimize warehouse stock because time and space are a cost. From china to my desk is a straight line and you know what they say about straight lines. He's figured out how to maximize profit for penny spent, so I won't put that past him.
Personally, if I'm going to use the same computer for 4+ years I don't mind waiting a few weeks. It's not an impulse purchase for me. I probably saved for it and deliberate on the details. I'm also not a mall shopper, so while I enjoy having the option to try new things, and take an iPhone in for repair/exchange, I find answering the door for a package quite convenient. Then again, I'm an introvert and don't enjoy running errands or shopping. I respect you and don't dismiss personality types that aren't my own. I can only assume that you represent many customers that simply try once on impulse but won't work hard to make a purchase (it should be the other way around, them selling to you).
I still see this more as a consequence of popularity. I can't imagine Apple intentionally keeping stock from local stores. But your point about Tim Cook preferring to minimize warehouse time is a fact, and I don't disagree with you.
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I think you guys mean Jony Ive. What Ive says, goes.
I'll be amazed if these versions sell more than the previous ones... what with the previous ones being worlds more upgradeable (just like the retina macbook pros vs previous macbook pros).
I wonder what Apple's game is here?
Worse is where this puts PRO users. The macbook PROs are not very "PRO" anymore. They're crappy consumer toys. Not being able to swap out the hardware is just plain stupid. I've had to swap out the hard drive and RAM in my older and current pro machines. With the current crap if the SSD or RAM chips fail I won't be able to!?! Ridongculous.
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Apple just got even MORE expensive to buy now, at least for pro users. Consumers will get the base model and be happy with it for the rest of its lifetime, but pro users are FORCED to save up for the absolute high-end model in order to maximise its life.
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You have a good point there. A lot of studios have been using the iMac as 'cheap' pro rigs, rather than shelling out stupid amounts for the Mac Pro.
It's starting to seem clear that Apple wants to steer professionals away from the 'consumer' iMac and onto the 'professional' Mac Pro... whatever the next iteration may be.
I wonder what Apple's game is here?
Worse is where this puts PRO users. The macbook PROs are not very "PRO" anymore. They're crappy consumer toys. Not being able to swap out the hardware is just plain stupid. I've had to swap out the hard drive and RAM in my older and current pro machines. With the current crap if the SSD or RAM chips fail I won't be able to!?! Ridongculous.
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Apple just got even MORE expensive to buy now, at least for pro users. Consumers will get the base model and be happy with it for the rest of its lifetime, but pro users are FORCED to save up for the absolute high-end model in order to maximise its life.
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You have a good point there. A lot of studios have been using the iMac as 'cheap' pro rigs, rather than shelling out stupid amounts for the Mac Pro.
It's starting to seem clear that Apple wants to steer professionals away from the 'consumer' iMac and onto the 'professional' Mac Pro... whatever the next iteration may be.
I think Steve Jobs could have overridden anything Ive said if he really wanted to, not that he would necessarily be meddling with the design department.
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You are misinformed. You can have the SSD swapped out, but the RAM is indeed soldered into the MacBook Pro Retina, which is retarded. So much for "pro"!
I never bought that Steve Jobs "don't let the consumer meddle with the device" BS. Yeah, easily removable batteries aren't that good, but locking the PC down with solder just makes it basically impossible to fix even professionally when one thing goes wrong or at least much more expensive. I hope Tim Cook didn't take that advice so seriously.
I read about the original Macintosh then tried repairing the basically equivalent 512k myself because its floppy drive had a problem. Nope, ridiculously difficult to service, but at least it looks nice on the inside.
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Step 1 is making the Mac Pro cheaper. It's currently too expensive for many people unless they buy an older model. The main advantage even for a consumer is just being able to fix or upgrade parts. Taking out my 2008 Mac Pro's hard drive was satisfyingly easy compared to my 2006 iMac. I don't use the Mac Pro for professional work; it's a consumer PC. At $900, I figured it would be better and cheaper than a new MacBook Air despite being outdated.
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Im waiting to see what the new Mac Pros will be like....as i have a feeling that will be a better choice for me, More powerful, upgradable (i have too many external drives), easily repairable, designed for performance not space saving...More money but might just be worth it
That's not going to be possible. A decent current-gen Xeon system - which is an amazingly capable platform - is going to cost $4k+ for the CPUs alone.
Unless we're talking about dropping the line down to Mac Prosumer and going with i7.
It took me 3 weeks for my 21" to be delivered. I totally love it. I also ordered a mac mini! 1 week left!! I got a new 32" samsung display, it is way better than a TBD in terms of value for money and even the display is very beautiful!
Aussie store still says 2-3 weeks!
And we have the privilege buying the iMac overpriced compared to our friends in North America!
And we have the privilege buying the iMac overpriced compared to our friends in North America!
I doubt that the Mac Pro needs to cost that much for what it has. Is there something besides clock speed that makes Xeon processors so useful? You can build an 8-core Intel processor computer with the same clock speeds for much less money than a Mac Pro.
EDIT: Even if you go with Xeon, $231 each: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2379930&CatId=1969
Is it just me, or have CPUs gotten WAY cheaper recently? I remember a quad-core processor around 3.0GHz costing around $1000.
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I'm sure Apple will keep VESA on their stand alone Displays.
I hope you're right, but it didn't make sense for them to get rid of VESA mounting on the iMac either. It was a casualty of their unnecessarily thin redesign of a desktop product that should favor power and function over looks and portability. Since the Thunderbolt Display is based on the same platform, I wouldn't expect it to be any different.
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Those are the single-socket, small cache, small number of core Xeons. These are the ones you need to be looking at for a Pro machine:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7383270&CatId=1969
$3k a pop. And you'll want two of them.
You can get lower clock rate ones for less, but these puppies are expensive. Damn capable, for the right workloads, but expensive.
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN32E...&qid=1362306292&sr=8-2&keywords=samsung+HD+TV
A really beatiful and amazing display, I use it with my rmbp and i plan to use it with my mac mini (base model)
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Also I do not understand what is the use of a retina display or a TBD when there is almost no content for such a display, I would rather just save 500$ and get a full HD 1080p Samsung TV.
Then, without wishing to be rude, you haven't been paying attention. The vast majority of customers don't care about upgrading their PC's and haven't done for some time. The PC has become a device and that's the way it should be for the vast majority of users. If an iMac breaks you take it to the Apple store and either get it fixed under warranty, pay for a repair or buy a new one. It's time for people like us to realise that the... oh, call it 15 year spell from around 1995 to 2010 where the PC became essential but still relied on technical knowledge to work and maintain it was a blip. Computers should, dare I say, just work and require no more specialist knowledge to own than a car. Very very basic maintenance tasks are done by the owner but for anything more that dedicated service centres are used. How things work isn't really important, what it lets you do is.
Sure there will always be a small number of users who want to open their PC's up and either change or repair them on their own terms. But that's a tiny percentage of the total user base, heck even a lot of 'pro' (i.e. business) users don't do that any more with 3 or 5 year warranties being taken up instead. When it breaks outside of that it's on a replacement schedule with funds set aside in the budget for that very purpose.
On a related note I've never been able to figure out the dismissive attitude to attractive looking desktops. Sure, when I'm sitting in front of my iMac (2011 model with a new 27" on order) I can't see the sides, fair enough. But every time I stand up, every time I walk past the home office or do anything in that room that doesn't involve sitting in front of the screen the design is clearly visible. Am I buying an iMac to show off to my friends? Nope, not at all. But I am buying it (at least in part) because I like having things in my home that are well designed and in a very small way are enjoyable to look at. I've had self-built tower PC's since, yikes, 1998 and while they may give the most bang for the buck my priorities have shifted. Nowadays I'd much rather pay a little more for a great looking near-silent computer that doesn't clutter up the room. Of course I understand that others have different priorities and that's fine but I do wish that sentiment was shared a bit more than it is.
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While I don't use VESA myself I can understand the frustrations for those who do. There are some solutions but they require keeping the leg, but I guess that could be a good place for the DVD drive Apple also cut in the 2012 iMac
Yeah, this sudden improvement in shipping times is great for the U.S., but doesn't seem to have changed anything in Europe yet. Let's hope Apple doesn't ignore the rest of the world!
I agree and this is the precise reason laptop (and AIO) sales are rising while the traditional PC tower is a dying bread. Most buy a computer to use for a number of years then upgrade when they need arises. I've had a couple PC towers over the years and the most I've done (outside of repairs) is add more RAM and bigger HDDs The only thing stopping me from upgrading my 5 year old XP PC tower is a lack of money since I just got a shinny new 27" iMac to replace my G5 Tower. Again the only thing I did with that was double the RAM and replace a failing HDD.
A computer should work for you, not the other way around.