That was my thinking. I had to buy the OS separately, but that's alright.
So far, so good; fingers crossed.
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That was my thinking. I had to buy the OS separately, but that's alright.
So far, so good; fingers crossed.
The worst part about the thin design is that they can't really go back to a thicker design for better hardware without saying "we messed up".
And yet, performance, heating, and engineeering actually all improved in the new design.
Where did they mess up again?
They just have to wait for the good hardware to get smaller and cheaper so they don't necessarily have to fatten it back up.
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And yet, performance, heating, and engineeering actually all improved in the new design.
Where did they mess up again?
Maybe better HDD? I mean, it's okay but it could be better.
And yet, performance, heating, and engineeering actually all improved in the new design.
Where did they mess up again?
It's pretty hard to defend the placement of the headphone port.
Or the engineering that required the fitting of 5400 rpm drives in the 21 inch. The new design worked well for the 27inch (bar the ports) but caused lots of issues with the 21 inch.
I wouldn't mind getting one of these
but geez, they are expensive. $1800 for a basic Core i5 with a 27" monitor?
Here at work we supply all our employees with Dell Vostro computers with the same Core i5 CPU that run Win 7 Pro 64 Bit, 16GB RAM, 1 TB harddrive, AMD 7750 Vid card, integrated Wifi, a 28" 1920x1200 HDMI monitor, and a 20" 1600x1200 secondary monitor (employees mostly use it to have Outlook open on it all the time). And they only run about $1050-1100 for the entire package.
I can't figure out why Apple thinks they have to charge so much. Their hardware is average at best. $500 Dell's have the same hardware specs. OS X is no where near that much better than Win 7 64 Bit. It was a good bit ahead of XP and Vista, but Win 7 x64 is a rock solid OS that looks nice and runs excellent. We have 50+ employees and I never get any tech support calls anymore. The OS is just that good.
I just dont see real value in the Apple computer products. They're grossly overpriced for what you get.
but geez, they are expensive. $1800 for a basic Core i5 with a 27" monitor?
Here at work we supply all our employees with Dell Vostro computers with the same Core i5 CPU that run Win 7 Pro 64 Bit, 16GB RAM, 1 TB harddrive, AMD 7750 Vid card, integrated Wifi, a 28" 1920x1200 HDMI monitor, and a 20" 1600x1200 secondary monitor (employees mostly use it to have Outlook open on it all the time). And they only run about $1050-1100 for the entire package.
I can't figure out why Apple thinks they have to charge so much. Their hardware is average at best. $500 Dell's have the same hardware specs. OS X is no where near that much better than Win 7 64 Bit. It was a good bit ahead of XP and Vista, but Win 7 x64 is a rock solid OS that looks nice and runs excellent. We have 50+ employees and I never get any tech support calls anymore. The OS is just that good.
I just dont see real value in the Apple computer products. They're grossly overpriced for what you get.
Yes they can very easily. They would call it an iMac Pro. They are a lot smarter than your giving the credit for.
How do you go from 3 weeks to 3 days overnight?
I justwas able to pick up a 21.5" iMac at Best Buy, I would have prefered to pruchase from Apple, but since they were quoting 3 weeks I purchased at Best Buy.
You would think they could have a better handle on this type of thing, what, did they get an early shipment of a couple million iMacs that they were expecting in 3 weeks? Did the boat put the bedal to the metal on the way over?
I justwas able to pick up a 21.5" iMac at Best Buy, I would have prefered to pruchase from Apple, but since they were quoting 3 weeks I purchased at Best Buy.
You would think they could have a better handle on this type of thing, what, did they get an early shipment of a couple million iMacs that they were expecting in 3 weeks? Did the boat put the bedal to the metal on the way over?
Apple is more expensive then similarly spec competition ....
Please fill us in on more new and never discussed points
Yeah, Apple is so stupid to waste their time and energy making iMacs thinner and lighter, it's not useful for a desktop computer!
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This is what makes apple an apple. And I'm sure when the time is right they will make it touch screen
I find this rather ironic, since the only things you changed are the very 2 things that are now unchangeable (especially in the 21 inch iMac). And that's exactly why many people do not like the new iMac. I don't mind if a computer looks nice or thinner (in fact that's great), but when that comes at the price of losing BASIC upgrading functionality, that's not ok.
Like you said, "A computer should work for you, not the other way around", but if that computer locks me out of basic upgrades (especially the ram, I can mostly get over locking out the HD), then it is I who am working for the computer, because I need to pay Apple silly over-inflated prices for cheap ram.
Well, this is partly true, but a lot of people who don't initially upgrade their machines will often do so later on, to breathe new life into them. Ram upgrades are by far the best example. And importantly, things like ram upgrades are constantly offered as suggestions to customers coming into the Genius Bar with older computers that are not running so well. Many times the CPU, etc. are still good enough, and a simple and cheap ram upgrade practically gives them a new computer. And believe me, this suggestion from Apple's geniuses themselves happens very very frequently.
But now, this type of simple upgrade is no longer possible. Emphasis on simple. Your analogy of a car is a good one. People don't upgrade most things in their cars. Transmissions, etc. are rarely upgraded. But simple components are. Every car has tires that can be changed. If car manufacturers decided to make tires non-upgradable (for contrived aesthetic reasons (and btw you can still make a thin computer with upgradable ram)) this would only hurt the consumer.
This also needs to be considered in the context that Apple does not have any viable alternative to the imac that IS upgradeable for simple components like ram. Yes there is the mac pro, but that is far too expensive for most people (and is overkill for most people, but some of those people may still want more than 8 gigs of ram...). And yes there is the 27 inch imac, but of course that costs quite a bit more too, and importantly, not everyone needs or has space for the larger display.
All I'm saying is, ram has always been easily upgradable for a reason, and it's an upgrade that many people do indeed perform, wether it's at or near the time of purchase, or later on in the computer's life. And now that option has been removed, and not for any particularly good reason. Apple could have easily made a new 21 inch imac that was still quite thin while retaining ram upgradability.
But they didn't.
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Ordered BTo 30 November 2012 and still waiting
I live in the Netherlands
Holy!!!! 30 November!!! I have ordered a custom configured 27" (i7-3 instead of i5-3, Fusion Drive, 16 GB RAM instead of the default 8 GB) and I've been waiting since 21st December. 3 days ago my Apple reseller finally informs me that the package has finally arrived... To a distribution center in the neighboring country of Hungary, city of Budapest, arghhh (I'm from Slovenia). Additional 3+ days of waiting...
I'm guessing the 1-3 days/3-4 weeks for custom configurations applies only to US customers, maybe UK, while for the rest of the world (at least countries with no official Apple stores) the waiting times are easily 2-3x longer.
Thank you. Great post.
My thoughts mirror yours. I spend lots of money on furniture etc so my home looks good. Why shouldn't the computer look equally pretty. The new iMac is gorgeous, especially in person. I still have a 24" older shape from 2008 3.06Ghz, 2GB RAM and it's still chugging along on Mountain Lion fine (it's never been upgraded - and likely never will).
I'm not saying a computer should not be upgradeable - but Apple's clearly made a decision. If it doesn't fit your use case, then there are so many alternatives. For me personally, it's great.
What reason? I program, do light photo work, manage multiple mobile devices, stream HD video, maintain a music library, browse the web etc all from my 2008 2.06GHz, 2GB RAM iMac. It's never been upgraded, bar the OS. And will never be. When it dies I'll buy a new computer (likely the new iMac).
Unless you have facts, I think you're trying to paint your preferences on 'many people' incorrectly. I'm sure you need to upgrade your parts. But unless you can prove otherwise, it appears to be an incorrect statement when referring to the wider market. You only have to look at PC growth vs Mac growth over the last 6 or so years to see that Macs are selling fine - and are not upgradeable.
My computing history - and remember I am not exactly a normal customer, I like tech, I visit tech forums etc...
1996 my first windows PC - 16 or 32MB RAM - didn't upgrade
2000 first windows laptop - think 128MB RAM - didn't upgrade
2005 built my own PC - 1GB RAM - didn't upgrade
2008 iMac - 2GB - haven't upgraded
I know of some friends who have upgraded RAM, but it's a tiny percentage compared to those that have never upgraded...
I agree that there is a segment of the market who do need the ability to upgrade - but Apple isn't targeting them with the iMac.
Bottom line if you need a computer that is upgradeable - then the iMac is not for you. On the plus side there are many non-Apple alternatives.
And yet, performance, heating, and engineeering actually all improved in the new design.
Where did they mess up again?
I can only speak for myself, but if they hadn't gotten rid of the superdrive and had to put the card reader in the only place its damn near impossible to get at without rear access to your computer, I'd own a new one today. I'd argue on an all-in-one, those are both compromises in design to get it in a thin box. I was expecting the new Imac to be able to do more, not less. I thought they would have had either a solid state drive in base model 27s, a faster burner or maybe even (shock!) a blu-ray burner. So for me, thats a design compromise, and only acceptable with a reduction in price. I get less for my money with the new model, so I chose to keep my i7 2.93 a year or two longer. Not a big sacrifice there, to be sure. Mine does everything I could possibly want, short of USB3. If they had made a real strong increase in performance or at least had thrown in an external superdrive for free for any customer that asked, (like what the did with wired keyboards at Apple stores when I bought my Imac) I'd probably have pulled the trigger.
Instead of wasting valuable R&D time and money on form over function, I wish they would have left the box alone (like Mac Pros) and made it maybe 40% more powerful. Wouldn't most of us rather have had that instead? Can you honestly say you prefer the skinny box instead of a bigger performance bump?
No doubt I'm in the minority, however. I don't buy desktops because of what they look like.
I have a 27" and have already maxed the RAM, so unless that fails I'm safe. As for the HDD well I have Apple care and a good backup plan, so worse case someone comes to my place and replaces the HDD, if it fails. Yes a little known claws in the AppleCare allows you to request someone comes to you place to fix it!
The only other thing I replaced on the G5 tower was the DVD, which is no longer an issue, if I get one and it fails no problems in replacing it.
My point is even with the towers most users would never even consider opening them, you'd rely on warranties and other to do the work, no matter how easy it is.
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