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Apple's iPhone 5S Revealed in New Photos
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Unreliable person? Hey man I didn't write the bible. Heck I am not even a researcher, politician or journalist. I am a customer. I have an opinion, I don't need to write a list full of yes or no to you.
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It seems like you are assuming what I think instead of what I really posted. I don't think they have a ground-breaking idea for iPhones every two years, or every year. I agree they are all evolutionary. The release schedule has very little to do with whether or not they have anything important to bring to the market. They release a phone every year no matter what. And every other year, this new phone has a different form factor. The calendar is determining when the products are released, not innovation. Maybe this wasn't exactly what Mr Fusion's intended meaning, but that's how I read it. I would be fine with some releases coming out later than every year, or sooner than that, depending on when it's actually ready, not just when they think they need to bring something to market for sales reasons.
Exactly — every year they "pump" out a phone, which is a good way to put it. They add a thing or two here, tweak a thing or two there. Some changes are pretty significant, others less so. But the overarching goal does not seem to be to work and get the best phone they can get out there, or to think outside the box and come out with something groundbreaking or revolutionary. Their modus operandi seems to be, hey, look at the calendar — it's time to put out a phone. This is what we've got so far, minus a few things we'll hold back to make sure we have something to put in the next phone. We'll talk about how great it is, and people will buy it.
This is switching over to software, but I would agree they weren't really innovating for a while, or at least constructively so, roughly during the period when Steve Jobs wasn't there. I'm not a programmer, but I think some people would argue with you about whether or not the problems with the early days of OS X was a lack of innovation. From what I've read and from using the OS myself, I think it may have been the opposite — they had changed so much in so little time that it took a while for the OS to mature and for everyone (including themselves) to catch up.
I don't think they released Jaguar just because they looked at a calendar and decided it was time to release another OS. They released it because it actually had significant changes to it. Over two years passed between Tiger and Leopard, and nearly two between Leopard and Snow Leopard. Now we get an OS every year (both OS X and iOS) no matter whether it's ready or not. I love ML, but it's not as solid as Snow Leopard and understand the die-hards sticking with it.
My point at least is that the philosophy seems to have shifted from innovation-based to calendar-based.
I would argue that Apple is not thinking different right now — they are thinking about calendars for the most part — presumably due to sales. Yes, that has to play some role since they're a business, but it seems like a huge shift from before. WWDC 2013 showed some promising signs of this changing and trying to shake things up a bit again: iOS 7, Mac Pro. These changes aren't all perfect, but that's the risk of innovating — sometimes you win (e.g. the original iMac), sometimes you don't (e.g. the Cube). They may being trying to push the envelope again now, which would be welcome instead of just releasing things on a set schedule for the sake of selling something new.
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It retains one main cosmetic feature of current iPhone 5: scratches!
In 4-5 years they will be so thin that will not be a problem anymore...
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When the iPhone 5 was about to come out, a lot of people claimed that Apple would call it the iPhone 6 because it was the sixth iPhone produced (original, 3G, 3GS, 4, 4S, 6?). The guy I quoted is hoping that those people won't return and claim that the iPhone 5S will actually be called the iPhone 7 since it is the seventh iPhone released.
Doubling down on secrecy huh? Notice how the Mac Pro is the only Apple hardware that was a complete surprise, and it's also the only hardware being manufactured in the USA? Not a coincidence. The Chinese factories' low-wage employees have no loyalty to the companies whose products they assemble, and copyright is not really respected culturally in China anyway.
Building products in China is bad for Apple's competitive advantage, which is innovating and reaping the rewards of innovation before competitors can copy them.
I hope the Mac Pro represents Apple dipping their toes in the water, and that we will see more products return to USA manufacturing.
Building products in China is bad for Apple's competitive advantage, which is innovating and reaping the rewards of innovation before competitors can copy them.
I hope the Mac Pro represents Apple dipping their toes in the water, and that we will see more products return to USA manufacturing.
I'm willing to bet that, if you upgrade to the 5, you will not get a phone that is 8 months old.
Since the S4 doesn't appear to be even competing with the 5, I'm sure the 5s has nothing to worry about.
Of course the S4 is a masterpiece of redesign: it's identical to the S3 in appearance. At least it has a bunch of useless features you can disable day one like everyone else is.
It retains one main cosmetic feature of current iPhone 5: scratches!
In 4-5 years they will be so thin that will not be a problem anymore...
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Then we move to the nasty idea of the underskin phone from the new Total Recall!
More interested in the idea of the low cost iPhone at this point. Plastic, curves, comfortable to hold for the first time since the 3GS, wow that would really be something. And maybe they could "innovate their ass" into a bigger screen? Oh wait, innovation only means smaller and thinner now
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You don't think they will release the 5s because people bought a 5 last year??
Please..How was the 3G to 3GS the best iPhone upgrade?? It was updated internals with no new features other than being faster... How would this be any different than the 5 to 5S?
Obviously the best iPhone upgrade was from the 3GS to the 4. I was blown away.
Um, I don't know if you hit your head recently or what, but the iPhone 5 looks nothing like the 4. I think you're forgetting that its almost an inch taller and its got a bigger 4" screen, which is a pretty huge design change. And it's got LTE/4G capabilities. I think that's more than "changing the color and giving it some new headlights." What changes are you expecting realistically?
I agree, but if you read the article it states that the patent dates back to 2010.
It's going to take more than a new camera and better GPU to make me get an iPhone 5S.
I'm more excited about iOS 7.
I've got an upgrade in August which is perfect timing for a reveal and release.
I might instead dabble in Windows Phone or android till iPhone 6.
I'm more excited about iOS 7.
I've got an upgrade in August which is perfect timing for a reveal and release.
I might instead dabble in Windows Phone or android till iPhone 6.
The pill-shaped LED hole looks odd, but will look better on the white 5S that everybody will get because of iOS7
Really? You must be living under a rock, they wouldn't be public if they didn't care. We don't care, but apple certainly cares, how much? who the hell knows
You're entitled to your own opinions. Not your own facts. At a glance, I can name ten significant external design differences between the iPhone 4/4S and the iPhone 5. There are also significant changes inside the phone.
To say that there are merely two differences is to misrepresent the facts.
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The 3GS had a compass. The 3G did not. I never found the compass app useful, but the ability to orient the map was nice.
You don't think they will release the 5s because people bought a 5 last year??
How was the 3G to 3GS the best iPhone upgrade?? It was updated internals with no new features other than being faster... How would this be any different than the 5 to 5S?
Obviously the best iPhone upgrade was from the 3GS to the 4. I was blown away.
Even so, I held onto my 3G until the iPhone 4 was released.
Exactly, everyone keeps saying it's dual flash or pill-form flash, but it's just "motion blur" from the crappy picture. If they have their hands on an iPhone 5S, you would think they would have a better camera to take the photos of it.
Great.
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It really does! I could cope with it more if my lock screen, and home button worked as well as not having a crack in the middle of my camera lens!
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Hmmm I get what you're saying but over here (UK) the iPhone 5 would be the same price for me on a 2 year contract so why not wait until I can see what the 5S is like and then get that on contract for the same price or 5 for cheaper
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Its warranty has expired.
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Well thanks for that. But I've owned and returned a windows phone. I'm not a fan of Android.
Exactly, everyone keeps saying it's dual flash or pill-form flash, but it's just "motion blur" from the crappy picture. If they have their hands on an iPhone 5S, you would think they would have a better camera to take the photos of it.
I can see that, but how can the supposedly round flash move more than the camera hole? Still looks like pill-shaped even with the slight motion blur.
The pill-shaped LED hole looks odd, but will look better on the white 5S that everybody will get because of iOS7
I have a black iPhone 5 and iOS 7 looks fine. I don't see why people say it looks better on the white variant.
I was being sarcastic, as everyone keeps saying Apple is using the white iPhone because iOS 7 looks better on it. They'll prove themselves as wrong as those saying iOS 7 sucks.