Apple Planning to Wipe CloudKit Data for iOS 8 and Yosemite on July 7 Ahead of Beta Updates

DaveMcM76 · Jul 4, 2014

Dannyunltd said:
So does this mean all my photos currently in photo stream will be gone? Essentially starting all over again in iOS 8 right? Or am I missing something?

Not PhotoStream, iCloud Photos... they are two very different things...

Photostream is your last 1000 photos and doesn't count against your iCloud storage allowance and is also not accessible beyond allowing you to sync photos across devices.

iCloud Photos is the new Yosemite / iOS 8 "upload all your photos to iCloud to backup/share them" functionality and does count against your storage allowance along with the new iCloud Drive general storage functionality.

It is the new iCloud Photos / Drive that are being wiped which are both beta features.

CFreymarc · Jul 4, 2014

exizeo said:
Is this a regular thing, or is this signifying some change in iOS8b3?

I am sure we will see iOS 8 beta 3 right after everyone is done with their 4th of July weekends.

Peace · Jul 4, 2014

MacSince1990 said:
There's always one.

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Ugh. This tells you nothing.

Watch.

Negaiido · Jul 4, 2014

I Am Designer said:
Have to say I think the public beta is a bad idea for Apple. Already you see people using Yosemite and iOS8 complaining that it has quirks - completely failing to realise that it's a Beta!! All this will mean is that there is a bigger wave of misguided opinion and upset users who are using it as their daily driver. In the age of the internet those voices tend to be the loudest unfortunately.

If every complaint is getting reported then I don't see any problem in this?

Biedz1216 · Jul 4, 2014

MacRumors said:
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Apple has notified developers of plans for a server-side data wipe on CloudKit public and private databases for both the beta versions iOS 8 and OS X Yosemite. The wipe, which will take place on Monday, July 7, will erase data for iCloud Drive, iCloud Photo Library, and Mail Drop.

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The wipe comes just a day ahead of the rumored launch date of iOS 8 beta 3 and also the likely launch date of the third Yosemite Developer Preview. Apple commonly seeds early versions of its iOS beta operating systems on roughly two-week intervals, moving on to three-week intervals later in the testing period. OS X beta updates have followed a similar update pattern in the past as well.

Apple's second iOS 8 and Yosemite betas came approximately two weeks after the software was first provided to developers at the Worldwide Developers Conference, and it has now been three weeks since those updates were seeded.

Both iOS 8 and OS X Yosemite are expected to be released to the public in the fall, after an extended beta testing period.

Thanks, Daniel!

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well i would say that about guarantees 7/8/2014 thank goodness. So I'm a--proud---new dev. will we notice anything-- besides possible mail attachments-- disappearing with this server-side wipe? Feel free to call me w/e names you'd like I'm simply just going to ask again.

oliversl · Jul 4, 2014

"Cloud Wipe" and "all" in the same sentence its scary, and should be fun too.

charlituna · Jul 4, 2014

adamw said:
Wipe away! Hope nobody needs their saved data who is out of town or out of office on vacation for the 4th of July Holiday.

If anyone is using mission critical data with these betas and doesn't have it also backed up somewhere else, well they deserve whatever they get

And if you didn't get this warning cause you aren't a developer well that's the price is unauthorized use of the betas

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I Am Designer said:
Have to say I think the public beta is a bad idea for Apple. Already you see people using Yosemite and iOS8 complaining that it has quirks - completely failing to realise that it's a Beta!! All this will mean is that there is a bigger wave of misguided opinion and upset users who are using it as their daily driver. In the age of the internet those voices tend to be the loudest unfortunately.

They are limiting it to 1 mil folks world wide and frankly most folks won't care about it. Plus I suspect they are waiting until most of the bugs are out of the system.

I was able to get access thanks to the BF also being a developer and I haven't really had any issues with Yosemite. Although I can install iOS 8 I haven't yet cause history has told me not to do anything until at least the third beta as I only have the one set of devices and I can't risk them going nuts at this point

iOSaddict · Jul 4, 2014

Negaiido said:
If every complaint is getting reported then I don't see any problem in this?

i doubt they report those issues but instead just go to macrumors and whine.

bnekic · Jul 4, 2014

I have iCloud Photo Library turned on but all my photos and videos will stay on my device and just re upload to iCloud again...correct?

Paddle1 · Jul 4, 2014

I think they're getting ready for the public Yosemite beta.

mavis · Jul 4, 2014

iOSaddict said:
i doubt they report those issues but instead just go to macrumors and whine.

That's probably true.

I reported three issues and engineering got back to me on all of them, but I've since downgraded to 7.1.2 on all of my devices so I can't follow up with them until iOS8b3 hits

PocketSand11 · Jul 4, 2014

adamw said:
Wipe away! Hope nobody needs their saved data who is out of town or out of office on vacation for the 4th of July Holiday.

I hope nobody uses beta software meant only for testing to save data that isn't saved elsewhere.

Biedz1216 · Jul 4, 2014

Im gonna have to agree even being a newb but anyone who has their info solely stored on the iOS 8 beta 2 Cloud Drive is straight retarded. LOL. I mean really---even when we all have the non-beta and Cloud Drive will never be wiped again...i will always have a hardcopy.....somewhere...i mean somewhere....come on ppl :apple:

rols · Jul 4, 2014

Paddle1 said:
I think they're getting ready for the public Yosemite beta.

I don't - Yosemite's not bad even at Beta 2, but it's not ready for public beta yet. I'd say another 2 betas, perhaps early-mid August for public.

batchtaster · Jul 4, 2014

bnekic said:
I have iCloud Photo Library turned on but all my photos and videos will stay on my device and just re upload to iCloud again...correct?

If you have to ask and don't understand the email you were sent by Apple, you probably shouldn't be using it.

macbookguy · Jul 4, 2014

MacSince1990 said:
Know what the worst thing was? Mac OS X 10.0 Public Beta. It was literally available to *anyone* who had $30 in their pocket and a hankering for the future.

Ahhhh those were the days. My Rev C iMac G3 and I were ready and willing participants after an upgrade to 128MB RAM. I still have the CD, folder, and User's Manual somewhere. It's been so exciting to see OS X grow up over the years. I never used 10.0 GM or 10.1 GM, but got on board with Jaguar.

nheilweil · Jul 4, 2014

bnekic said:
I have iCloud Photo Library turned on but all my photos and videos will stay on my device and just re upload to iCloud again...correct?

Yeah they will BUT I'm a little concerned with this approach. Since I'm currently using iCloud Photo Library, my iPhone no longer has a full-resolution version of all photos. That's one of the advantages of using iCPL -- it saves a tremendous amount of local device storage by only saving a thumbnail and low-res version of the image for everything except recent photos (less than a couple days old).

So, if they wipe out the iCloud version and expect my device to transfer the full-size images up again, we're going to have a problem.

brand · Jul 5, 2014

nheilweil said:
Yeah they will BUT I'm a little concerned with this approach. Since I'm currently using iCloud Photo Library, my iPhone no longer has a full-resolution version of all photos. That's one of the advantages of using iCPL -- it saves a tremendous amount of local device storage by only saving a thumbnail and low-res version of the image for everything except recent photos (less than a couple days old).

So, if they wipe out the iCloud version and expect my device to transfer the full-size images up again, we're going to have a problem.

All of the data should be test data, including pictures. If you chose to use the BETA as your daily driver that is your problem not Apples.

Paddle1 · Jul 5, 2014

rols said:
I don't - Yosemite's not bad even at Beta 2, but it's not ready for public beta yet. I'd say another 2 betas, perhaps early-mid August for public.

But you don't know how good beta 3 or future versions will be, and it is a beta, it's not expected to always work properly.

bushido · Jul 5, 2014

Moonjumper said:
That should reduce over time as people get used to being part of a beta. The open beta is a good thing, but there will always be some who do not understand something new.

i can already see people bitching about iCloud issues. the iCloud on Yosemite Beta and iOS8 beta are seperated from the iOS7 etc iCloud right? so people who want to try out Yosemite but have no way of getting iOS8 as a public beta will be stuck with two devices on different iClouds that dont synch with one another. sounds like a bad idea and thats why i mostly stayed away so far

maflynn · Jul 5, 2014

casperes1996 said:
Anyone else smelling the public Appleseed beta?

Seems to make sense, that they'd do that just before the public beta. With only two betas under their belt though I wonder if its a bit premature but you never know.

gnasher729 · Jul 5, 2014

adamw said:
Wipe away! Hope nobody needs their saved data who is out of town or out of office on vacation for the 4th of July Holiday.

If anyone needs their saved data, then it's their own fault for not reading the developer terms, which clearly state all over the place that you cannot rely on Apple's pre-release software for any production work. Right now it's for developers only.

djplaxe2109 · Jul 5, 2014

When will they release the beta to the million people who signed up?

Gamer9430 · Jul 5, 2014

You guys really need to stop crying over this. If your so worried about your photos, have I got the solution for you. BACK THEM UP ON YOUR COMPUTER! People using Macs can use iPhoto and people on windows can just pull them off the phone. Windows even has the iCloud photo library if you get the software for it. It's not the end of the world. Takes 5 minutes, tops. As for documents, your SOL because it's your own fault for trusting a Beta. There is a reason its called a Beta and not released to the public.

unplugme71 · Jul 5, 2014

JarScott said:
Obviously it's not happening this time around, but do you think the Yosemite public beta suggests the public might get iOS betas in the future?

Most people don't have more than one iPhone so at best they might make it available on a much later beta. Like 6 or 7 when most bugs have worked out or the one prior to a GM release.

With Macs, most run in a VM, or have a spare to test it on. Phones are deemed more critical.

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